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Woolly Bugger

Public kill-on-sight campaigns ramp up for invasive spotted lanternfly'

Kill-on-sight requests in New York City and elsewhere are a part of public campaigns to fight an invasive insect now massing and feeding on plants around much of the eastern United States.
ex - I'm not going to live with you through one more fishing season!
me -There's a season?

Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
My son: My dad has two fish on his car and they're both trout!


"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man."
― Heraclitus

Trout Maharishi

Another gift from CHINAAAAAAAAAAA.............. b';  :o  :P
"We're all going to die, all of us, what a circus! That alone should make us love each other but it doesn't. We are terrorized and flattened by trivialities, we are eaten up by nothing."
― Charles Bukowski

Mudwall Gatewood 3.0

We, the great U.S. of A., are not immune from fault when it comes to invasives. 

We've gifted others around the world some snails, frogs, turtles, minks, raccoons, squirrels, and bass, to name a few.
"Enjoy every sandwich."  Warren Zevon


"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here?
 Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change? "
Kelly's Heroes,1970

"I don't wanna go to hell,
But if I do,
It'll be 'cause of you..."
Strange Desire, The Black Keys, 2006

Woolly Bugger


Cluster of Spotted lantern flies in Asbury Park, NJ

ex - I'm not going to live with you through one more fishing season!
me -There's a season?

Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
My son: My dad has two fish on his car and they're both trout!


I was in Lancaster, PA last week. The lantern files were so thick it looked like a hexagenia hatch

Woolly Bugger

National Park Service attempts to control invasive fish in the Colorado River

The National Park Service is attempting to control invasive fish species in the Colorado River downstream of Glen Canyon Dam.

Smallmouth bass have been slipping through the dam due to the low water levels. Last month the Park Service poisoned a slough connected to the river where the fish had been found. The effort eliminated tens of thousands of exotic carp, but almost no bass were counted. Most likely they had already escaped into the main channel.

Park Service biologist Melissa Trammell said the agency will test the effectiveness of electrofishing over the next six weeks.

"We think elimination is unlikely but we can greatly reduce their numbers in that reach, we think. That would be helpful to avoid downstream dispersal of the smallmouth bass into the rest of the Grand Canyon," Trammell said.

The Pueblo of Zuni has objected to electrofishing in the Colorado River in the past for cultural and spiritual reasons.
ex - I'm not going to live with you through one more fishing season!
me -There's a season?

Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
My son: My dad has two fish on his car and they're both trout!


QuoteAlabama Bass are confirmed to be present in Lake Gaston, Buggs Island Lake (Kerr Reservoir), Claytor Lake, the New River below Claytor Lake, Philpott Lake, Martinsville Reservoir, Diascund Reservoir, James River (Fall-Line area in Richmond), and the Chickahominy River.

Didn't know they were in the lower New.


This article is three years old. Lord knows what has happened since then.   

QuoteA species of bass once mostly confined to a small native range now is spreading far outside that range, occasionally stocked by fishery managers but more often now aided by anglers who either don't understand or care about the negative consequences that illegal introductions can have.

That fish is the Alabama bass, once considered a subspecies of spotted bass but recognized by fisheries experts as a separate species a little more than a decade ago. Yes, it looks like the spotted bass, but it grows larger — in its native waters and in some western reservoirs where all black bass are non-native introductions.

Where it has been illegally introduced, however, it often eliminates smallmouth bass by hybridization and/or outcompetes largemouth bass for forage and habitat, especially in clear, deep reservoirs. Even in stocked reservoirs in Northern California where a heavy trout and Kokanee diet has produced new world records, Alabama bass have reduced or replaced smallmouth and largemouth in many systems that were once known as quality fisheries for these other black bass. Anglers now report catching Alabama bass at a rate of 3 to 1 over smallmouth or largemouth in some reservoirs and rivers.

At present, Ground Zero for this most recent outbreak of illegal introductions is eastern Tennessee and much of North Carolina. The fish are likely being introduced by anglers bringing them in from the species' native range in the Coosa River system in Alabama, or from northern Georgia waters where Alabama bass have been established for some time.

"We had national-class fisheries rivaled only by Texas and Florida. Now they are ruined," said an angry Bill Frazier, conservation director for the North Carolina B.A.S.S. Nation (NCBN). "It is an outrageous mess that has occurred in about the last five to seven years."

"What is most embarrassing about the situation is when the people with the biggest stake in the sport are the ones destroying it. They actually brag about it," he added.

After Alabama bass destroyed smallmouth fisheries in Georgia's Blue Ridge and Chatuge Lakes, "Now we are seeing this happen in North Carolina with the same results," said Steve Sammons, an Auburn fisheries scientist who specializes in black bass species.

"Alabama bass are an extremely adaptable, aggressive fish that tend to be able to outcompete or hybridize with almost any other bass species they come in contact with," he continued. "We are seeing similar impacts with Shoal bass in the ACF (Apalachicola/Chattahoochee/Flint River system), Bartrams bass (redeye) in the Savannah, and now Tennessee is starting to see this happen in the upper Tennessee River system."

Of special concern are the world-class native smallmouth fisheries in the Volunteer State, such as Norris and Dale Hollow, which are worth millions of dollars to local economics.

"All prior experience shows that if this (illegal introductions) happens, those fisheries would be gone, wiped off the map, never to return," Sammons said. "And it happens fast. If Alabama bass were put in there today, in less than 20 years, those fisheries would disappear."

There was recent genetic confirmation that Alabama bass have been illegally introduced, or made their way by connecting waterways, to TVA's Wilson and Pickwick Reservoirs where Alabama and smallmouth bass hybrids (often referred to as Meanmouth bass) are being caught in the Wilson tailwater and the upper reaches of Pickwick.

Watts Bar is another fishery that concerns Mark Thurman, a fisheries biologist with the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency. Alabama bass already are established there in one embayment and the population is growing.

"The general angling public looks at all fish as being similar," he added. "And it doesn't take a lot of Alabama bass to establish a population and start to hybridize. Once that happens, then you start to see a decline in the quality of the smallmouth fishery like at Parksville, where largemouth bass also were impacted."

Some anglers dismiss the idea that introducing Alabama bass could harm Chickamauga, one of the nation's most popular largemouth fisheries. After all, it's spread across 36,000 acres with lots of vegetation and shallow-water habitat, generally more conducive to largemouth than Alabama bass. But Thurman worries about that fishery too.

"Chickamauga is bigger than Parksville, so it would take longer to see," he said. "But I feel confident in saying that there's the potential for damage, and it doesn't take a whole lot of fish to start the process."

In adjacent North Carolina, meanwhile, illegally introduced Alabama bass all but eliminated largemouth from the main body of Lake Norman.

"There's been no introgression (hybridization) with largemouth bass," said Lawrence Dorsey, a fisheries biologist with the North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission. "It's been a competition thing."

And while anglers might be impressed by the Alabama bass' growth potential in its native Coosa River system, the North Carolina biologist pointed out that is not likely to be the case in waters where they are illegally introduced, with Norman as a prime example. "We are not seeing anything good come out of this. Take it out of its native range, and you just don't see the growth," he said.

"But we are stuck where we are (at Norman). There are still largemouth there. In a tournament, you catch five Alabama bass, and then try to go find a largemouth to increase your weight."

Meanwhile, Alabama bass now make up an estimated 32 percent of the bass population at Lake Gaston, up from 8 percent in 2016.

North Carolina smallmouth fisheries are suffering too. For example, 75 percent of 50 smallmouth sampled contained Alabama bass genes at Fontana Lake. To the east on the Catawba chain, the hybridization rate was 33 percent at Lake James.

"James seems to be about 10 years behind Fontana," said biologist Scott Loftis. "But the trend points to complete hybridization of smallmouth fisheries."

Loftis pointed out that largemouth, smallmouth and spotted bass "co-existed with no issues" in North Carolina waters. "But with Alabama bass, we're seeing dramatic issues."

According to B.A.S.S. National Conservation Director Gene Gilliland, "Transferring fish from outside a species native range and stocking them in public waters is illegal in almost every state. Yet we see this problem more and more with bass anglers moving fish in hopes it will make their fishing better. But in almost every case, unintended consequences catch up with them, and the results are far worse than what they started with."

So, what can be done about these issues? Gilliland stresses, "Leave fish stocking to the biologist, to the professionals who understand those systems and species interactions."

NCBN President Chuck Murray said that B.A.S.S. members must be at the forefront of educating bass anglers about how Alabama bass can harm their fisheries.

Frazier added, "If you see something, say something. Take pictures and include boat or license plates. Help us stop the smugglers"



According to Maryland's fisheries peeps, Alabama bass have been confirmed in Philpott and Martinsville Reservoir.  This means that only the Mayo river may escape contamination for the time being.  I know for a fact birds transfer fish eggs over dams, so it will happen, it will just take time.

Alabama bass have also been confirmed in the Big Reed Island watershed, as well as the upper SF New in Boone.

It is unclear how these southern fish will fare in cooler rivers, but it is clear they thrive in cool reservoirs in California as they feast on trout.

Mudwall Gatewood 3.0

Interesting info and discussion.  I learned much about the "bass" (here and in the north Alabama thread).

I do find it ironic that we cherish certain nonnatives and loathe others.  Damned if I can explain it, and certainly have no explanation of my own biases and hypocrisies.       
"Enjoy every sandwich."  Warren Zevon


By some definitions (there are several), invasive species  is defined as an introduction that adversely impacts an ecosystem. Some might contend that a man made impoundment such as Philpott Lake has itself caused such a significant impact on the system that discussion surrounding the introduction of a new sunfish becomes a moot point.
"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man."
― Heraclitus


There is a huge different between an alien/introduced species, and an invasive species. All alien species are like getting new neighbors.  Some neighbors are horrible, and some are just fine.

Rainbow trout at the east coast are horrible.

Brook trout out west are horrible.

Brown trout are problematic, but they are quite neighborly at Stone Mt. park.  The brookies can hold their own there.  Temps are what determine their fate. 

It is best to only introduce species that are somewhat local. Stocking smallmouth in the James or Yadkin is not horrible. They exist in adjacent watersheds.  Details such as this matter.

I know of many streams that have introduced fish that are not assholes like Alabama bass.

The smallmouth in the Uwharrie and Little, Rocky River (Pee Dee watershed) are not invasive, neither are the Roanoke bass stocked in the Deep, Uwharrie, and Little. They occupy a very limited space.

The stocking of Kentucky Spots in Avents, Parkers, and Little River (Cape Fear watershed) was boneheaded. There was already a full established population of largemouth.  The Cape Fear is also the most nutrient poor watershed in NC.  Now, 90 percent of the black bass in the Cape fear are small Kentucky Spots.  Make no mistake, Kentucky spots are INVASIVE and so are Alabama bass. The fear of these two species is not arbitrary or irrational.