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This Ain't Necessarily Fly Fishing => Product & Gear Info and Reviews => Topic started by: troutphisher on December 06, 2006, 21:41:27 PM

Title: Floatant
Post by: troutphisher on December 06, 2006, 21:41:27 PM
I bought some Frogs Fanny float treatment for flies last week.
Woolly showed me this product while fishing a couple of weeks ago. I saw how it was applied and it worked pretty good.

I tried this on several flies last week, all dry patterns, but It could be used on nymphs to fish the film.

This product worked very well and I like the powder brush applicator. I read the instructions, and applied it accordingly. The flies floated high on the water, even in the riffles and faster currents.

What I liked best about this, was even after the fish slimmed the fly, you could wash off the fly in the river, blow on the fly to fluff it up, then reapply the powder and your back in business.

I was using Poo Goo, witch is a silicone product, but I like the frogs fanny better.

Thanks for showing me the product Wool!
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 07, 2006, 14:56:27 PM
yeah, I've pretty much given up of paste and other gooey floatants, the Frog's Ass Product works very well, but I hate spending $4.25 for 1/10 of an ounce of anything... You know that the package, marketing and profit make up 99% of the cost!!

Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 07, 2006, 15:03:44 PM
hmmmm, anybody try this "refill" product? How in the heck can you get the stuff into your original bottle with the brush?

http://www.kumaflyfishing.com


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Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 07, 2006, 15:10:03 PM
At first I thought this tread was going to be a What's your favorite Floatant or Lubricant.. but it actually turned out to be INFORMATIVE!

Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: kuma Fish on December 07, 2006, 19:39:50 PM
Regarding, 'How do you get the stuff in the old Fanny bottles?',  it is a little tough and messy, but try folding an index card and use it as a 'funnel' or 'slide'. 

Frog's Fanny bottles are tough because the opening is small, but the little extra effort is well worth the savings.  You will save tons of $$ by refilling!

I like Frog's Fanny, but I usually use Top Ride or Shimazaki.  Easy to refill.  Put your fly in, shake, and you're good to go.

We are going to soon offer 'ready to go' bottles in addition to our refills.  The bottle will be exactly like the Top Ride bottle (with a locking flip top).  Look for it soon on our webpage.

www.kumaflyfishing.com

Woolly Bugger, when you receive your order, test it out.  I hope it is exactly what you want!


Thanks,

Kuma Fish

Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: troutphisher on December 07, 2006, 20:08:50 PM
One other note, I forgot to mention about his product.
Unlike the silicone jells, this product does not stick the hackle fibers together.
When I use the jell products, it always managed to bind the hackle fibers to each other.

This powder did not have any of those effects. I used it on hackled flies, as well as hair wing flies, it worked equally on both types.

I also applied it to some nymphs, size 16 PTN, and it kept them riding in the film.

The application of this product was also much easier then rubbing the jell, in to the body and hackle.

I found a local dealer who offers this at $3.50/bottle
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: Larry on December 07, 2006, 20:22:59 PM
Thanks for the information. I'm looking forward to trying it.
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: Mstash on December 07, 2006, 20:38:57 PM
I found frogs Butt for $3.64 at a outdoor shop near me last week. Going back soon and buy all they have

Mstash

Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: teachrtec on December 10, 2006, 09:20:57 AM
I have found the tip for cake decorating piping bag make great small funnels. Fairly cheap.

Brad :)
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: Brudog on December 16, 2006, 01:34:27 AM
Frog Butt is good stuff.....they also claim it produces realistic air bubbles when applied to nymphs..who knows??
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: flatlander on December 18, 2006, 15:10:31 PM
I'm a white powder addict...frog's fanny that is.  I haven't found anything that work's better on CDC.  Takes fish slime off and works wonders on getting moss off flies as well.  The only thing I hate about it is how it dries up the end of my thumb and forefinger after using it all day.
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: kuma Fish on December 18, 2006, 19:30:33 PM
Quote from: Brudog on December 16, 2006, 01:34:27 AM
Frog Butt is good stuff.....they also claim it produces realistic air bubbles when applied to nymphs..who knows??



If you haven't tried it on nymphs, give it a try.  Could be deadly when nothing else seems to be working!  The Frog's fanny with its brush works the best on nymphs, you can really work it into the dubbing.  I have a picture of a nymph underwater on my webpage.   http://www.kumaflyfishing.com/about.htm

The Frog's Fanny brush also works well with CDC flies.  The brush helps separate and re-fluff it out.  Besides nymphs and CDC's, I prefer the other bottles like Top Ride and Shimazaki.  Easier to just shake and go.  Don't have to fumble with the brush and worry about dropping it in the river. 

KUMA FISH
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: pmike on January 02, 2007, 01:06:44 AM
Some fellows on another board did a bit of research and found out that you can order the compound that Frog's Fanny is made from and it works just as good but is pennies on the dollar price wise. If interested, let me know and I'll dig up the information.

If I'm not mistaken it's a paint additive and is in fact what they call, "fumed silica".

Mike
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: troutphisher on January 03, 2007, 08:36:04 AM
Mike:
I sure would like to know!

Thanks!

TP
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 03, 2007, 10:25:45 AM
We were just at the Orvis Store in Roanoke and discovered that they have a large size refill bottle athough it's rather expensive @ $27.

I'm running low on my Frog's Fanny, so I'll be testing the Kuma Fish Shortly. The winner of the PHoto Contest will get a bottle to try also...

Voting will run through Sunday.
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: pmike on January 03, 2007, 16:49:13 PM
The product is called, "Fumed Silica" and is available from several companies if you search online. The best I could come up with is a company called Progressive Polymers, Inc in Pittsfield, NH. Their phone and email are as follows, (603) 435-7199, info@epoxyproducts.com, and website is www.epoxyproducts.com .

The bag I bought claims to be 2 quarts, but is somewhat compressed and looks more like a quart or perhaps a bit more, in volume. I believe I paid about $3.25 per "quart" or so and shipping. If this link works it will take you to the page with the products and you can order online, just scroll down to the product called, "Fumed silica".

http://www.king-cart.com/cgi-bin/cart.cgi?store=epoxy&product=..Thickeners/fillers/additives&cart_id=9442886.35854&user-id=&password=&exchange=&exact_match=exact

One word of caution, they say this stuff, ("Frog's Fanny" included as it is the same chemical), is deadly if inhaled. I place my bottle I want to refill into one of the bags and work the product into the bottle then carefully remove it and dust it off. I also have considered using one of those red ketchup bottle with the narrow spout that you can buy and fill or refill. You could easily put some of the silica into one of those and use it to carefully squirt the silica into a smaller bottle like the frog's fanny bottle. 

Mike

PS: I also have use a bit of it to add to the drying agent in my dry shake as it starts to losse some of the pellets in it.
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: troutphisher on January 04, 2007, 13:13:17 PM
Mike:
Excellent find! I was wondering why the ingredients were not listed on the Frogs fanny product.
I just ordered 4 quarts, that should last some time, and save lots of money!

Thanks!

TP
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: pmike on January 05, 2007, 14:49:13 PM
This is an excerpt from an EPA fact sheet about fumed silica.

"The major toxicological hazard of crystalline silica is
through the inhalation route of exposure. Silicosis and/or cancer can
result from long-term inhalation of the crystalline form (such as
crystalline quartz). However, exposure to amorphous forms of silica is
not associated with silicosis or cancer. In fact, IARC (International
Agency for Research on Cancer) has classified crystalline forms of
silica when inhaled from occupational exposures as Group I,
carcinogenic to humans. The IARC has classified amorphous forms of
silica as Group 3, not classifiable as to its carcinogenicity to
humans. Silica, amorphous, fumed (crystalline free) is a manufactured
product. Chemically and physically it is similar to diatomateous earth."

This appears to be addressing long term exposure and inhalation. If I am reading it correctly it is suggestion there is a possibility that it might be carcinogenic. One other factor would be if it was inhaled in significant or large quantities and over time, might it coat your lungs and have the same effct on them as it does when used to flies water resistant?

Better safe than sorry :)

Mike

PS: This doesn't seem nearly as hazardeous as some of the warnings I've heard by word of mouth, but seems that it never hurts to be cautious.

After posting the above, I found this sheet that clarifies and seems to lessen concerns regarding this product.

http://www.freemansupply.com/MSDS/scanned/Other/Cabosil.pdf
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: Trout Maharishi on January 05, 2007, 20:22:27 PM
I'm sure i've snorted worse :o
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: troutphisher on January 05, 2007, 21:00:53 PM
Wait a minute....doesn't lead collect in the brain tissue?
We'll now that explains a lot!
Title: Re: Floatant
Post by: pmike on January 06, 2007, 21:06:01 PM
Hey guys, my last post was meant to clarify that perhasp this stuff isn't as dangerous as I had been told and led to believe. My warning was based upon some statements by the guys who researched and found that fumed silica is the substance these other flotants were/are supposedly made from.

They issued a strong warning and being they did the research and seemed credible, I took their suggestion.

However after further research on my own, it does appear that their warnings were a bit exagerated. I have to admit I was wondering at first how good this stufff would be for the fish and the streams if it was as deadly as some had propsed :).

Mike

PS: Sorry for any confusion, I do believe you will find the fumed silica much cheaper and just as good as the other stuff.