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Title: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 15, 2020, 20:51:02 PM
Ok, new Sunday rules for hunting apply to mostly private lands? Am I correct on this?

What about deer season in the  Pisgah. Is Sunday hunting allowed in the Pisgah National Forest?

Thanks...
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: streamereater_101691 on October 15, 2020, 21:07:47 PM
It's unlawful to hunt on Sundays on public lands, except that military installations under the exclusive jurisdiction of the federal government may allow hunting on Sundays.On Sundays, on private lands, the following apply:
Hunting with firearms between 9:30 a.m. and 12:30 p.m. is prohibited except on controlled hunting preserves;
Hunting migratory birds is prohibited;
The use of firearms to take deer that are run or chased by dogs is prohibited;
Hunting with a firearm within 500 yards of a place of worship or any accessory structure thereof is prohibited.
Archery equipment may be used to hunt on private lands on Sunday without the restrictions applied to hunting with firearms.
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 16, 2020, 10:12:29 AM
Nope, only on private land.
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 17, 2020, 08:48:01 AM
I do not understand the ban on Sunday hunting on many public lands.  I can see no reason to continue with this antiquated puritanical blue law.  I've heard support for preserving the outdated rule from hikers, campers, horse trail riders, churchgoers, and even some anglers, but damned if I can comprehend the opposition to allow Sunday hunting on all fed and state lands.

         
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Big J on October 17, 2020, 15:08:09 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 17, 2020, 08:48:01 AMI do not understand the ban on Sunday hunting on many public lands.  I can see no reason to continue with this antiquated puritanical blue law.  I've heard support for preserving the outdated rule from hikers, campers, horse trail riders, churchgoers, and even some anglers, but damned if I can comprehend the opposition to allow Sunday hunting on all fed and state lands.

         

I fully support it! It's a relief to know I can fish in the middle of the woods on a Sunday without getting shot!
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 17, 2020, 16:05:05 PM
Quote from: Big J on October 17, 2020, 15:08:09 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 17, 2020, 08:48:01 AMI do not understand the ban on Sunday hunting on many public lands.  I can see no reason to continue with this antiquated puritanical blue law.  I've heard support for preserving the outdated rule from hikers, campers, horse trail riders, churchgoers, and even some anglers, but damned if I can comprehend the opposition to allow Sunday hunting on all fed and state lands.

         

I fully support it! It's a relief to know I can fish in the middle of the woods on a Sunday without getting shot!

I think there are only a handful of states that do not allow Sunday hunting.

You do not fish "in the middle of the woods".  You may travel through hunting woods to get to stream X, but you fish the water passages, which are not hot spots for hunters, at least I don't think.  Most hunters likely avoid brookie stream corridors – can't hear shit when you are close to them.

A blaze orange lid will only cost you a few bucks.

Moreover, ain't you supposed to be resting on the Christian sabbath?
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 17, 2020, 16:40:09 PM
@Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 a cap might not be enough

https://youtu.be/7kjSI79ss9I
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 18, 2020, 07:05:24 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on October 17, 2020, 16:40:09 PM@Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 a cap might not be enough

https://youtu.be/7kjSI79ss9I

Spoken like a true nonhunter.  You can wear blaze pink, if orange fails to flip your cookie, and all you need is 100 square inches.

Busting Big J – packs heat for the danger presented by others that should not be carrying a weapon (most likely illegally) and is paranoid by those that are legally and safely sporting a gun (hunters).  I don't get it!

"§ 29.1-530.1. Solid blaze orange or solid blaze pink clothing required at certain times.
A. For the purposes of this section, "solid blaze orange" means a safety orange or fluorescent orange hue and "solid blaze pink" means a safety pink or fluorescent pink hue.

B. During any firearms deer season, except during the special season for hunting deer with a muzzle-loading rifle only, in counties and cities designated by the Board, every hunter and every person accompanying a hunter shall (i) wear a solid blaze orange or solid blaze pink hat, except that the bill or brim of the hat may be a color or design other than solid blaze orange or solid blaze pink, or solid blaze orange or solid blaze pink upper body clothing that is visible from 360 degrees, (ii) display at least 100 square inches of solid blaze orange or solid blaze pink material at shoulder level within body reach visible from 360 degrees,.................."
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 18, 2020, 09:11:05 AM
Quote from: Big J on October 17, 2020, 15:08:09 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 17, 2020, 08:48:01 AMI do not understand the ban on Sunday hunting on many public lands.  I can see no reason to continue with this antiquated puritanical blue law.  I've heard support for preserving the outdated rule from hikers, campers, horse trail riders, churchgoers, and even some anglers, but damned if I can comprehend the opposition to allow Sunday hunting on all fed and state lands.

         

I fully support it! It's a relief to know I can fish in the middle of the woods on a Sunday without getting shot!
I don't understand this mentality. Do you actually think that people who hunt just shoot randomly at people fishing? Really?
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 18, 2020, 09:12:24 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 17, 2020, 08:48:01 AMI do not understand the ban on Sunday hunting on many public lands.  I can see no reason to continue with this antiquated puritanical blue law.  I've heard support for preserving the outdated rule from hikers, campers, horse trail riders, churchgoers, and even some anglers, but damned if I can comprehend the opposition to allow Sunday hunting on all fed and state lands.

         
Yeah, and the hunters are actually paying money to keep those lands and their wildlife going, unlike the hikers and riders.
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 18, 2020, 09:35:17 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on October 18, 2020, 09:11:05 AM
Quote from: Big J on October 17, 2020, 15:08:09 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 17, 2020, 08:48:01 AMI do not understand the ban on Sunday hunting on many public lands.  I can see no reason to continue with this antiquated puritanical blue law.  I've heard support for preserving the outdated rule from hikers, campers, horse trail riders, churchgoers, and even some anglers, but damned if I can comprehend the opposition to allow Sunday hunting on all fed and state lands.

         

I fully support it! It's a relief to know I can fish in the middle of the woods on a Sunday without getting shot!
I don't understand this mentality. Do you actually think that people who hunt just shoot randomly at people fishing? Really?

It's rare but it does happen and dead is dead...

>>>Hunter Fatally Shoots Hiker
A hunter mistook a Virgina college student for a deer and fired, killing her and injuring a companion
Katie HerrelUpdated:Feb 8, 2017O riginal:Nov 19, 2009

Hunting season and fall hiking season overlap, and unfortunately that can lead to deadly accidents: A hunter in Virginia shot and killed a college student trekking through the woods after mistaking her for a deer. Senior Jessica Goode was collecting frogs for a biology class on county-owned wilderness property near Ferrum College when she was shot through the chest. The bullet ricocheted and struck her classmate in the hand; he's currently recuperating in the hospital.

Police charged a 31-year-old man with with manslaughter, reckless handling of a firearm, and trespassing. The land where he allegedly shot the students does not permit hunting, and is located only 75 yards from a paved cul-de-sac.
https://www.backpacker.com/news-and-events/hunter-fatally-shoots-hiker


>>>Mountain Biker Accidentally Shot by Deer Hunter

A scary accident unfolded near Hopkinton, N.H., last week when a hunter fired a shot shortly before dark. Around 4:20 p.m., a 27-year-old woman heard a gunshot then realized she'd been hit by a bullet.
https://gearjunkie.com/mountain-biker-shot-deer-hunter-new-hampshire
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Big J on October 19, 2020, 07:08:41 AM
There are a lot of dumb people out there. If you are voting for Biden, just think, there are people out there voting for Trump. If you voting for Trump, there are people out there voting for Biden. If you are not voting, there are people out there voting for one of these two. If you live in Bath county, go to an NRA meeting. If you don't golf, go to a golf club, some of those people who enjoy chasing around a little white ball enjoy hunting I'm sure.

I had a moron friend who went on a hunt on a family friends land they were managing. It wasn't a doe day and the family told him not to take any does or bucks under 6 pts. They emphasized not taking any spikes. He came back with 2 does and a spike. There are people out there that shoot the first thing they see move during rifle season. Bow season and muzzleloader season I'm less hesitant. Rifle season makes me nervous walking thru the woods.
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 19, 2020, 07:29:25 AM
Quote from: Big J on October 19, 2020, 07:08:41 AMThere are a lot of dumb people out there. If you are voting for Biden, just think, there are people out there voting for Trump. If you voting for Trump, there are people out there voting for Biden. If you are not voting, there are people out there voting for one of these two. If you live in Bath county, go to an NRA meeting. If you don't golf, go to a golf club, some of those people who enjoy chasing around a little white ball enjoy hunting I'm sure.

I had a moron friend who went on a hunt on a family friends land they were managing. It wasn't a doe day and the family told him not to take any does or bucks under 6 pts. They emphasized not taking any spikes. He came back with 2 does and a spike. There are people out there that shoot the first thing they see move during rifle season. Bow season and muzzleloader season I'm less hesitant. Rifle season makes me nervous walking thru the woods.

Yes, I went to an NRA banquet recently.  Went with my son in hopes of bidding on or winning a new hunting firearm, and also to support our local law enforcement who was organizing the event, and to take the pulse of the passionate (Am I misinterpreting?  Could I be mistaken?).  I respect the rank-and-file, but I still will not join.

And I now play golf.

And I still hunt.

But I am not a member of The Murmuration of the Ignorant.  I am that bird that is far removed from that synchronized flight, and I still feel Sunday outdoor activities are safe if hunters are about.
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: troutrus on October 19, 2020, 09:49:17 AM
We must accept some risk in life and unfortunately accidents do occur. But the ones that involve mis-identification are particularly difficult to comprehend.
Perhaps an ID exam should be a part of hunting license application.
e.g. pick out the picture that includes deer.
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Sad story
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/father-9-year-old-daughter-are-mistaken-deer-shot-death-n1110071
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Phil on October 19, 2020, 12:11:58 PM
I was fishing in the Steele's Creek Gorge years ago and almost got shot by a hunter. I've been in combat before, so know the sound that a rifle makes when the barrel is pointed at ME, and the one on Steele's was pointed at me. It was close and the bullet hit very near me. A hunter was shooting at my sound and movement rustling in the river even though he couldn't see clearly what he was shooting at.  b';
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 19, 2020, 17:25:44 PM
Quote from: troutrus on October 19, 2020, 09:49:17 AMWe must accept some risk in life and unfortunately accidents do occur. But the ones that involve mis-identification are particularly difficult to comprehend.
Perhaps an ID exam should be a part of hunting license application.
e.g. pick out the picture that includes deer.
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Sad story
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/father-9-year-old-daughter-are-mistaken-deer-shot-death-n1110071
Yep, I don't understand it. You can dress up in a deer suit and prance through the woods, and you'll be safe from me. Deer and people look nothing alike.
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 19, 2020, 17:26:46 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on October 18, 2020, 09:35:17 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on October 18, 2020, 09:11:05 AM
Quote from: Big J on October 17, 2020, 15:08:09 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 17, 2020, 08:48:01 AMI do not understand the ban on Sunday hunting on many public lands.  I can see no reason to continue with this antiquated puritanical blue law.  I've heard support for preserving the outdated rule from hikers, campers, horse trail riders, churchgoers, and even some anglers, but damned if I can comprehend the opposition to allow Sunday hunting on all fed and state lands.

         

I fully support it! It's a relief to know I can fish in the middle of the woods on a Sunday without getting shot!
I don't understand this mentality. Do you actually think that people who hunt just shoot randomly at people fishing? Really?

It's rare but it does happen and dead is dead...

>>>Hunter Fatally Shoots Hiker
A hunter mistook a Virgina college student for a deer and fired, killing her and injuring a companion
Katie HerrelUpdated:Feb 8, 2017O riginal:Nov 19, 2009

Hunting season and fall hiking season overlap, and unfortunately that can lead to deadly accidents: A hunter in Virginia shot and killed a college student trekking through the woods after mistaking her for a deer. Senior Jessica Goode was collecting frogs for a biology class on county-owned wilderness property near Ferrum College when she was shot through the chest. The bullet ricocheted and struck her classmate in the hand; he's currently recuperating in the hospital.

Police charged a 31-year-old man with with manslaughter, reckless handling of a firearm, and trespassing. The land where he allegedly shot the students does not permit hunting, and is located only 75 yards from a paved cul-de-sac.
https://www.backpacker.com/news-and-events/hunter-fatally-shoots-hiker


>>>Mountain Biker Accidentally Shot by Deer Hunter

A scary accident unfolded near Hopkinton, N.H., last week when a hunter fired a shot shortly before dark. Around 4:20 p.m., a 27-year-old woman heard a gunshot then realized she'd been hit by a bullet.
https://gearjunkie.com/mountain-biker-shot-deer-hunter-new-hampshire

Yep, but there have also been people hit by meteors. You're at a lot more risk driving to that creek than you are being in the woods in deer season.
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 19, 2020, 17:28:55 PM
Quote from: Phil on October 19, 2020, 12:11:58 PMI was fishing in the Steele's Creek Gorge years ago and almost got shot by a hunter. I've been in combat before, so know the sound that a rifle makes when the barrel is pointed at ME, and the one on Steele's was pointed at me. It was close and the bullet hit very near me. A hunter was shooting at my sound and movement rustling in the river even though he couldn't see clearly what he was shooting at.  b';

That reminded me of the time I was fishing the Smith River at Sally's Pool when someone up in the field let loose  multiple rounds 12 - 15, in such rapid succession then it was impossible to count. My reaction was to duck as they were less than 100 feet away, I had no idea what where or why they were shooting. I assumed at the time that is was a pistol rather than a rifle. That was it one burst, when I got back up to the field they were gone. Now at the time there was a table and target set up but there is no backstop other than the trees and river.

Another time I was hiking up TR 264 out of Wilson and herd a lot of gun fire, didn't bother me to much as it sounded like it wasn't too close. When I got up to the car there was another vehicle just down the road from me and as I drove by two guys, who were somewhat surprised to see me, stated, "We didn't know you were down there... " and some other comments that I've forgotten but the gist of it was did the gunfire give me concern...
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Onslow on October 19, 2020, 18:29:15 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 17, 2020, 08:48:01 AMI do not understand the ban on Sunday hunting on many public lands.  I can see no reason to continue with this antiquated puritanical blue law.  I've heard support for preserving the outdated rule from hikers, campers, horse trail riders, churchgoers, and even some anglers, but damned if I can comprehend the opposition to allow Sunday hunting on all fed and state lands.

The hunting is not the issue, but the noise.  I'm for sabbaticals, and quiet time, and all humans should indulge whether they are religious, or not.

I hate the sound of gun fire. Between 2000, and 2007, gunfire is all I heard from my asshole murderer neighbor. I'd be fine never hearing a gunshot again, due to being sufficiently traumatized.

Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 19, 2020, 18:42:54 PM
Quote from: Onslow on October 19, 2020, 18:29:15 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 17, 2020, 08:48:01 AMI do not understand the ban on Sunday hunting on many public lands.  I can see no reason to continue with this antiquated puritanical blue law.  I've heard support for preserving the outdated rule from hikers, campers, horse trail riders, churchgoers, and even some anglers, but damned if I can comprehend the opposition to allow Sunday hunting on all fed and state lands.

The hunting is not the issue, but the noise.  I'm for sabbaticals, and quiet time, and all humans should indulge whether they are religious, or not.

I hate the sound of gun fire. Between 2000, and 2007, gunfire is all I heard from my asshole murderer neighbor. I'd be fine never hearing a gunshot again, due to being sufficiently traumatized.


Shame that a suppressor is still itemized as a ClassIII weapon here, requiring federal approval and an expensive tax stamp.
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Big J on October 19, 2020, 19:16:57 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on October 19, 2020, 18:42:54 PM
Quote from: Onslow on October 19, 2020, 18:29:15 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 17, 2020, 08:48:01 AMI do not understand the ban on Sunday hunting on many public lands.  I can see no reason to continue with this antiquated puritanical blue law.  I've heard support for preserving the outdated rule from hikers, campers, horse trail riders, churchgoers, and even some anglers, but damned if I can comprehend the opposition to allow Sunday hunting on all fed and state lands.

The hunting is not the issue, but the noise.  I'm for sabbaticals, and quiet time, and all humans should indulge whether they are religious, or not.

I hate the sound of gun fire. Between 2000, and 2007, gunfire is all I heard from my asshole murderer neighbor. I'd be fine never hearing a gunshot again, due to being sufficiently traumatized.


Shame that a suppressor is still itemized as a ClassIII weapon here, requiring federal approval and an expensive tax stamp.

A-friggin-men. Don't get me started on that. Most Europeans can go to hardware store and buy a suppressor off the shelf. They do not understand why suppressors are regulated here. It is viewed as common courtesy over there that if you are hunting or target shooting to use a suppressor.

I recently learned that suppressors were not debated during the NFA hearings in Congress. Legislators pretty much threw everything on the NFA including pistols and anything semi auto. They debated and removed items as they went along and then hurried up and passed after they got the momentum they thought they needed to pass it. Suppressors were never debated. Supposedly they were added at suggestion from game wardens wanting to more easily locate gun fire from poachers during the Great Depression when poaching took off.
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 19, 2020, 19:47:37 PM
Quote from: Onslow on October 19, 2020, 18:29:15 PMThe hunting is not the issue, but the noise.  I'm for sabbaticals, and quiet time, and all humans should indulge whether they are religious, or not.

I hate the sound of gun fire. Between 2000, and 2007, gunfire is all I heard from my asshole murderer neighbor. I'd be fine never hearing a gunshot again, due to being sufficiently traumatized.




I hear more gun shots on Sundays than any other day.    During our 2-week rifle season for deer, everyone is hunting Monday through Saturday.  Sunday is for target shooting, sighting in that rifle you dropped earlier, etc.  -  heck, I am guessing why I hear so many shots on Sunday.

And my neighbors across Little Back Creek are firing various weapons regularly.  I worry if I don't hear them shooting.
 
Mind over matter I say.  I block out sounds if I so desire.  Just ask the Mrs.

I may be selfish, but I would like to Sunday hunt, particularly spring turkeys, on all the National Forest lands that surround me.
Title: Re: Sunday Hunting?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 20, 2020, 08:00:12 AM
Thinking a lot about Ken's request for silence, if only for a day.  I can respect the wish, but I am hard pressed to see how, at least around my Grove home, this would ever come to fruition.

Semi-trucks travelling east on Rt. 39 applying their jake breaks, chain saws buzzing, vehicles droning by heading to the nearby church, church bell ringing on cue, roosters crowing, jacked-up pickups with loud aftermarket mufflers, gun shots blazing, cows bellowing, dogs barking, etc. ---- plethora of sounds to soften --- too many. 

But, if I am in the nearby NF, most, if not all, these sounds would vanish.  Perhaps an anomaly, but we hear very few shots will hunting; our local NF is no longer a mecca for hunters.  There seems to be more game, particularly deer, on the private lands. 

So, allowing Sunday hunting would add little to the sound pollution.  In fact, in my area, it would likely decrease the nearby gun fire.

Interesting discussion.