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Title: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 08, 2017, 08:45:16 am
I am going to start a thread to give folks a heads up on what the planned releases are from the COE Philpott Dam (Smith River). This is a plan only and is subject to change without notice. - I will try to keep it updated as I receive emails from the water manager @ USACE - Wilmington District. 
 

"We are decreasing releases from Philpott this morning to ~680 cfs (1.5 ft single sluice gate setting)"

"Philpott Sluice Gate decreased to 1.5 FEET (650 CFS) at 0745 OT       May 8, 2017"






Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 11, 2017, 14:33:42 pm
Philpott Update 5-11-17

(Lake elevation) "Currently 974.2 ft and falling"

"We plan on reducing releases this afternoon to ~400 cfs, to hold through the weekend"

"With the current rainfall forecast and anticipated inflows, expect lake to rise slightly. For reference, forecast rain is less than last weekend, however if we receive the same inflows as last weekend, we can keep the peak (lake elevation) near 977 ft"

Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 16, 2017, 10:08:25 am
Update 5-16-17

"We will be reducing our releases to ~370 cfs this morning (0.75 ft sluice gate setting + low flow valve)."

"Philpott sluice has be seen been set to .75' at 0911 OT, Low Flow Valve is maintained in the open position"
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 16, 2017, 12:29:10 pm
Fishable at last :-)


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 25, 2017, 12:37:22 pm
Update 5-25-17   Go elsewhere for the near future

"Philpott: At elevation 976.9 ft and rising. Inflows expected to peak mid-day today.

Increasing releases this morning to 1500 cfs; potentially more by the end of the day to reduce in-lake impacts for the weekend.

Expect to return to ~680 cfs or less next week"
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 25, 2017, 15:01:28 pm
The latest - 2:29 today 5-25-17

"We will be increasing releases just a little more this afternoon from Philpott.

Currently releasing 1500 cfs. Going to 1750 cfs (4 ft sluice with low flow valve). This may seem like splitting hairs, but I'm trying to find a release that keeps lake level impacts down and can be maintained from today through the long weekend with some light rain scattered throughout the next few days.

I know this is bad timing for this rain, but I hope folks can still find some time on the River this weekend in spite of it."
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 30, 2017, 10:05:34 am
The latest 5-30-17 (Might be able to fish later today and through the weekend if we don't get more rain)

"Philpott:  At elevation 973.9 ft and falling after peaking nr 977 ft.

Decreasing releases today to nr 380 cfs, plan to hold through the week and weekend.

Reducing sluice releases from 1750 cfs: By 11am today -  to 900 cfs (2 ft sluice setting)

2 hrs later - to 380 cfs (0.75 ft sluice setting)"
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 30, 2017, 11:34:33 am
  I wish they would just run it for another couple of days and 1800 and then drop it down to 190


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 30, 2017, 11:35:06 am
  I wish they would just run it for another couple of days and 1800 and then drop it down to 190


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 30, 2017, 11:35:45 am
  I wish they would just run it for another couple of days and 1800 and then drop it down to 190


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 30, 2017, 12:49:58 pm
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on May 30, 2017, 11:35:45 am
  I wish they would just run it for another couple of days and 1800 and then drop it down to 190


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Not going to happen. Big concern now is having enough flow to keep the water temps from spiking into "fish kill" territory. A constant 190 cfs is probably not enough in the lower river.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: streamereater_101691 on May 30, 2017, 21:46:27 pm
Thanks Al. I was able to get out on the river today because of your thread. That 400cfs range that we saw basically all last summer seems to be a good number for the fish and wading in some areas. It's given the fish a break in the normal "honey holes" people fish all the time at 75cfs.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 30, 2017, 22:31:38 pm
Quote from: streamereater_101691 on May 30, 2017, 21:46:27 pm
Thanks Al. I was able to get out on the river today because of your thread. That 400cfs range that we saw basically all last summer seems to be a good number for the fish and wading in some areas. It's given the fish a break in the normal "honey holes" people fish all the time at 75cfs.


I think when it is all over and we get some good samples taken we will find the fish did real well. The big problem all along has been the constant up and down of flows and extremes in temperatures associated with generation. Of course that is the nature of tailwaters. 
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on June 13, 2017, 12:19:30 pm
Doug posted this elsewhere but in order to keep this thread up to date I am doing a cut and paste of the latest from the recently selected/appointed  Philpott Operations Manager Chris Powell

"Please share with all fisherman.  Philpott releases are planned to decrease later today to around 140-150 cfs.  Time to fish!
Also, the generation # 276-626-2432 should reflect current cfs releases from now on until powerhouse is back up and running"


Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on June 13, 2017, 14:17:49 pm
Quote from: Al on June 13, 2017, 12:19:30 pm
Doug posted this elsewhere but in order to keep this thread up to date I am doing a cut and paste of the latest from the recently selected/appointed  Philpott Operations Manager Chris Powell

"Please share with all fisherman.  Philpott releases are planned to decrease later today to around 140-150 cfs.  Time to fish!
Also, the generation # 276-626-2432 should reflect current cfs releases from now on until powerhouse is back up and running"





like washing the car; more rain on the way???
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on July 13, 2017, 12:52:20 pm
Update. They are reducing flow today from current 250 cfs to 150 cfs. Not sure of timing but most likely you will be able to see difference by mid afternoon.

My guess is that all the extra water has been disparated and without more rain they are only releasing enough to meet regulatory requirements. We definitely need to keep watch of the temperatures. 80 degrees is the danger point.

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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on July 13, 2017, 13:40:21 pm
Need to keep the water cool for my beer stash!


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Fin on July 15, 2017, 08:04:46 am
Quote from: Al on July 13, 2017, 12:52:20 pm
Update. They are reducing flow today from current 250 cfs to 150 cfs. Not sure of timing but most likely you will be able to see difference by mid afternoon.

My guess is that all the extra water has been disparated and without more rain they are only releasing enough to meet regulatory requirements. We definitely need to keep watch of the temperatures. 80 degrees is the danger point.

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What's the latest on the damn dam?  I haven't heard any updates lately.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on July 15, 2017, 17:55:22 pm
Quote from: Fin on July 15, 2017, 08:04:46 am
Quote from: Al on July 13, 2017, 12:52:20 pm
Update. They are reducing flow today from current 250 cfs to 150 cfs. Not sure of timing but most likely you will be able to see difference by mid afternoon.

My guess is that all the extra water has been disparated and without more rain they are only releasing enough to meet regulatory requirements. We definitely need to keep watch of the temperatures. 80 degrees is the danger point.

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What's the latest on the damn dam?  I haven't heard any updates lately.


Just got home - Nothing new that I am aware of but let me check.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Fin on July 15, 2017, 22:02:53 pm
Quote from: Al on July 15, 2017, 17:55:22 pm
Quote from: Fin on July 15, 2017, 08:04:46 am
Quote from: Al on July 13, 2017, 12:52:20 pm
Update. They are reducing flow today from current 250 cfs to 150 cfs. Not sure of timing but most likely you will be able to see difference by mid afternoon.

My guess is that all the extra water has been disparated and without more rain they are only releasing enough to meet regulatory requirements. We definitely need to keep watch of the temperatures. 80 degrees is the danger point.

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What's the latest on the damn dam?  I haven't heard any updates lately.


Just got home - Nothing new that I am aware of but let me check.

When are the repairs/construction supposed to be completed?  I know it's been pushed back several times already; I was just wondering what is the new it'll be done date?
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on July 15, 2017, 23:08:57 pm
Quote from: Fin on July 15, 2017, 22:02:53 pm



Just got home - Nothing new that I am aware of but let me check.
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When are the repairs/construction supposed to be completed?  I know it's been pushed back several times already; I was just wondering what is the new it'll be done date?
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Late August, early September is the last word which was passed on to me. I will check this week to see if that has changed and will post as soon as I know more.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: troutfanatic on July 16, 2017, 17:45:50 pm
I need to do a bug expedition. I can use some help...

I had the kids up in the sulfur hole on friday evening, hatch was weak, but fish were rising. I didn't fish. I guided the kids. The roped in about a dozen. I pumped stomachs on a few, plenty of sulfur in them bellies, a smaller midge looking critter and some baetis.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on July 16, 2017, 21:59:35 pm
yeah the sulfurs are winding down, saw more bwos today.. and midges.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: driver on July 16, 2017, 22:24:21 pm
I'll be up there Tues. Last time I was up there I had better luck on BWOs

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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: troutfanatic on July 17, 2017, 12:22:56 pm
I had kids throwing mixed bag, parachute and comparadun sulfurs- weak response. Switched one to Barr emerger in BWbro, and the other on a sulfur  CDC biot, that's when they started connecting. By spinner fall it was too dark to re tie so we caught lighting bugs.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on July 17, 2017, 15:02:03 pm
Heads up - here is latest. Got to give tip of the hat to COE & DGIF who are monitoring and working together to prevent a fish kill. Pray for rain or cooler temperatures guys because there is only so much water in the lake and we still have August ahead.


"We will be increasing releases this afternoon from Philpott. Currently releasing 150 cfs. Going to 250 cfs.

Water temperatures are rising in the Smith with our lower release. Temperatures are going to increase later in the week, with decreased chance for rain.

If we get some relief eventually with good rain or cooler temps then we will consider going back to the 150 cfs and being a little more conservative with our storage in the lake. Until then, we will need to maintain close to 250 cfs."



Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: streamereater_101691 on July 17, 2017, 18:47:14 pm
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on July 16, 2017, 21:59:35 pm
yeah the sulfurs are winding down, saw more bwos today.. and midges.


and those risers ate the hell out of my beetle ; -0-
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on July 20, 2017, 14:49:44 pm
Answer to the question of when does Philpott expect to be back to normal operations

"Al, latest news I heard from work inside the Powerhouse was September.  There were a few issues getting modifications done within the contract.  I know this has been a long time coming but we are getting close"
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on August 02, 2017, 21:09:01 pm
Cutting back to 200 cfs starting today. Anticipate this will continue for at least a week and perhaps longer.

They are watching downstream temperatures and are same time trying to conserve water. Philpott pool is currently below optimum level

Pray for rain
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on August 02, 2017, 21:12:57 pm
Need rain. Yes. A good pulse will go downstream for the river fest. Need more before, and after.

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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: troutfanatic on August 03, 2017, 12:25:01 pm
I just emailed our buddy Al. It appears Bassett has a whole week of rain ahead of it. You are in the email chain. I only need a minimum of 40 to be scientifically acceptable.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 08, 2017, 09:22:00 am
.80 inches of rain up at Philpott!
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on August 13, 2017, 20:25:29 pm
Talked with the new Philpott Manager at the Smith River Fest this past Saturday. The latest projection is early to mid October for resuming generation.

There is also a new wrinkle - One of the two turbines is damaged beyond repair so they will only be using one turbine - that figures to be about 750 cfs. Currently there are no plans to repair the damaged turbine. I expect (and this is only me speculating) the generation periods will be prolonged because it takes twice as long to use up water at 750 cfs as it does with two turbines cranking out 14-1500 cfs

There is new technology in the works (whatever that means) but it will be 4-5 years before it comes on board.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 13, 2017, 21:31:28 pm
Fuk


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: streamereater_101691 on August 13, 2017, 22:38:26 pm
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 13, 2017, 21:31:28 pm
Fuk




*correction* fuck yes! 750 all the time could be just what the fishery needs. 1500 at 48 degrees was obviously very hard on the bugs via reports I've read. Time will tell, but this could keep the bank fisherman away. Boats will be used more now too.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: ryguy on August 14, 2017, 07:30:56 am
With 1 turbine and a longer generation, wonder if there would be a different cycle on times.  Meaning, generation during the afternoon and continuing overnight, rather than a sunup to sundown type of a schedule.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 14, 2017, 10:04:58 am
Quote from: ryguy on August 14, 2017, 07:30:56 am
With 1 turbine and a longer generation, wonder if there would be a different cycle on times.  Meaning, generation during the afternoon and continuing overnight, rather than a sunup to sundown type of a schedule.


they will generate when they can make the most money and demand is highest... I suspect morning till early evening... they were running on average four hours a day... so now it will be eight... gonna get me a raft....
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: ryguy on August 14, 2017, 13:48:47 pm
More reason for me to bring the raft down!


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: troutrus on August 15, 2017, 17:31:44 pm
Is there anyone operating a guide business with a drift boat/raft up there? Seems like a good opportunity for a young entrepreneur.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 15, 2017, 18:59:11 pm
Quote from: troutrus on August 15, 2017, 17:31:44 pm
Is there anyone operating a guide business with a drift boat/raft up there? Seems like a good opportunity for a young entrepreneur.



One that we know of..


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: ryguy on August 15, 2017, 19:04:32 pm
Is the demand there?


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: streamereater_101691 on August 15, 2017, 21:38:50 pm
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 15, 2017, 18:59:11 pm
Quote from: troutrus on August 15, 2017, 17:31:44 pm
Is there anyone operating a guide business with a drift boat/raft up there? Seems like a good opportunity for a young entrepreneur.



One that we know of..



Drift boat isn't an option. No ramps at all. Matt is using his raft. I've contacted dan river basin about ramps 2 years ago. They directed me to henry county parks and rec. After talks with the parks and rec and dan river basin I was told by a few folks "to not ask for something that I wouldn't want". Basically some drba people told me(not brian williams) that by building boat ramps, the river would become accessible to "everyone" and they were afraid your average dude with a jon boat would try to run the rapids. I understand the safety issues and right now the river can't handle huge amounts of traffic. Right now a raft is your best bet. It was real good at 700 during weekend releases.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on August 15, 2017, 21:51:45 pm
Dis. ^ #jonboatlivesmatter

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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: driver on August 15, 2017, 22:32:54 pm
Quote from: streamereater_101691 on August 15, 2017, 21:38:50 pm
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 15, 2017, 18:59:11 pm
Quote from: troutrus on August 15, 2017, 17:31:44 pm
Is there anyone operating a guide business with a drift boat/raft up there? Seems like a good opportunity for a young entrepreneur.



One that we know of..



Me and Keith saw our favorite poachers shoot the falls in a Jon Boat.

Drift boat isn't an option. No ramps at all. Matt is using his raft. I've contacted dan river basin about ramps 2 years ago. They directed me to henry county parks and rec. After talks with the parks and rec and dan river basin I was told by a few folks "to not ask for something that I wouldn't want". Basically some drba people told me(not brian williams) that by building boat ramps, the river would become accessible to "everyone" and they were afraid your average dude with a jon boat would try to run the rapids. I understand the safety issues and right now the river can't handle huge amounts of traffic. Right now a raft is your best bet. It was real good at 700 during weekend releases.
Title: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: IFStultz on August 15, 2017, 22:59:24 pm
Shits about to get interesting. Now if we could get a higher minimum flow and c&r on the lower for a couple years.


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on September 13, 2017, 14:33:58 pm
The latest ........................

"We are reducing releases from Philpott to day from ~220 cfs to ~160 cfs. (going to a 1/4 ft sluice setting)
(~110 cfs thru sluice + ~30 cfs thru low flow valve + ~15 cfs thru bypass valve)

***********
Also, be aware of frequent fluctuations in the releases this week and next, as we test the station service unit (~30 cfs fluctuation) and Unit 1 (potentially ~600 cfs fluctuation). There is no set schedule for these testing releases, but they will be short period tests. Once we begin running the tests for longer periods (such as overnight or for most of the day), then we will try to provide a better estimate of the timing"

Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on September 18, 2017, 11:32:03 am
The latest as of today ............. Looks like they ran into a few snags last week. If you do fish stay aware of your surroundings. I'd suggest staying where there is easy "in & out" because if you get caught in one of their test cycles and have to get out on the wrong side it will be a long walk back to your vehicle.

To all,  We are currently releasing ~170 cfs from Philpott.

We anticipated testing Unit 1 intermittently throughout the week. However, we will not be testing unit 1 until next week (26-Sep). However, testing on the station service unit is planned this week. There is no set schedule for these testing releases. Anticipate intermittent fluctuations of about +/- 30 cfs throughout the week.

Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 18, 2017, 13:51:53 pm
We fished it the other day when they were testing the station unit.. that added 30 cfs wasn't very noticeable


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: creakycane on September 27, 2017, 09:54:45 am
Way down today at Philpott Dam release.  95 cfs.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 27, 2017, 14:57:01 pm
Quote from: creakycane on September 27, 2017, 09:54:45 am
Way down today at Philpott Dam release.  95 cfs.


That means they will be testing/running the one operational unit soon! Be careful out there!


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on September 27, 2017, 19:39:55 pm
We had 25+ guests on the river. Srtu requested.

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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 28, 2017, 02:45:14 am
Quote from: Dougfish on September 27, 2017, 19:39:55 pm
We had 25+ guests on the river. Srtu requested.

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Did it fish well??



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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on September 28, 2017, 08:25:19 am
I'll leave final comment for Al and Streamer eater. But from comments I've received from others, about the same. Meh.
What was interesting, and alarming, was that the temp went to 70 degrees at Philpott in 10 hours. Wow. Was it the reduced flow, or the new level the low flow  valve and house generator pull from?
It went back down when they bumped it back up.

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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: creakycane on September 28, 2017, 10:43:52 am
Interesting that it peaked in Bassett at  only 66F with the Town Creek water mixed in. 
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: streamereater_101691 on September 28, 2017, 12:11:24 pm
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on September 28, 2017, 02:45:14 am
Quote from: Dougfish on September 27, 2017, 19:39:55 pm
We had 25+ guests on the river. Srtu requested.

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Did it fish well??


My 3 guests caught 26 fish total between trestle pool and the mirror plant. Nothing over 13", but that is to be expected for that section of river. Action was good on attractor type flies. The water cleaned up quite a bit in the afternoon. The new low flow valve must be higher or something and pulling warmer water, because it was very clear compared to the brown junk out of the sluice gates.


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on October 03, 2017, 16:16:44 pm
The latest as of this morning...........

We are expecting fairly steady flows this week from Philpott.

We are testing the station service unit 24/7 this week, so releases should be on the order of 90 cfs, through the low flow valve and the station service testing. If there are reductions in flow, they should be brief.

I will keep everyone on this list posted if things change and when a decision is made regarding flows through the weekend and next week.



Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 03, 2017, 16:57:54 pm
Quote from: Al on October 03, 2017, 16:16:44 pm
The latest as of this morning...........

We are expecting fairly steady flows this week from Philpott.

We are testing the station service unit 24/7 this week, so releases should be on the order of 90 cfs, through the low flow valve and the station service testing. If there are reductions in flow, they should be brief.

I will keep everyone on this list posted if things change and when a decision is made regarding flows through the weekend and next week.






that'll make for some skinny water downstream
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on October 03, 2017, 17:47:36 pm
Skinny warm water. Yiles!

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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on October 03, 2017, 17:48:54 pm
Vikes!

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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 04, 2017, 09:26:33 am
was that temp spike due to the TU minimum flow day?
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on October 04, 2017, 20:25:44 pm
The flows for the last three days are the same. 6 degrees lower. ???
That same day, Bassett, recorded 66. Gauge have a hiccup? Don't know.
But those flows have me worried. Air temps need to stay low.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on October 04, 2017, 20:44:24 pm
Quote from: Dougfish on October 04, 2017, 20:25:44 pm
The flows for the last three days are the same. 6 degrees lower. ???
That same day, Bassett, recorded 66. Gauge have a hiccup? Don't know.
But those flows have me worried. Air temps need to stay low.


According to DGIF when I expressed concerns - 75 degrees is stress time. 80 degress is belly up.  They also think the fish move up or downstream to deeper holes and areas of relatively cooler temps so short term spike of 80 degrees on the gauge does not necessarily mean it is over

With fall and cooler temps coming on we have probably once again dodged the bullet. Hopefully they will soon start scheduled generation and we can all enjoy cooler water. Pray for rain because Philpott lake levels are down which means even with the turbine fixed there won't be much water to send downstream.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on October 05, 2017, 14:42:23 pm
This just in as of 10 minutes ago

We are going to stop the station service unit testing this afternoon, and through the long weekend.
During this period of time, we will make releases through the sluice gate only - anticipating ~115 cfs beginning this afternoon and continuing until at least Tuesday.

Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: ryguy on October 05, 2017, 15:18:57 pm
Hope there's rain and cooler temps on the way.  Watching this tropical weather for early next week, might be just what's needed.


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on October 10, 2017, 18:08:52 pm
The latest ..................  note that they are well aware of the risk of a fish kill and are trying to make sure it does not happen on their watch.

"We are going to begin testing the station service unit today - 24/7, like we did last week.
Expect similar releases this week from Philpott as experienced last week.
I will notify this distribution if the plan changes, and when I know a schedule for unit 1 testing.

In the meantime, we will continue watching temps below Philpott"
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on October 19, 2017, 09:42:21 am
The latest - Surf will be up this afternoon. Looks like they are close to getting back to a normal schedule.

"Looks like we may be able to begin full load testing on unit 1 today. With that, expect more water on the Smith for longer period of time today.

With no specific schedule, we anticipate a few hours of close to 600 cfs this afternoon.

I will send another email out this afternoon by close of business to let you know what to expect tomorrow and the weekend (to be determined by the progress of the testing today)."
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on October 20, 2017, 12:29:54 pm
This just came in - back to wadable levels for the weekend.

"Unit 1 testing has stopped for today.

Station service unit and low flow valve releases will remain through the weekend. Anticipate a release near 70 cfs for the next 3 days.

I will let everyone know the plans for testing next week when I know, and try to keep everyone as informed about fluctuations in Smith River flows as possible."

Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: IFStultz on October 31, 2017, 17:10:11 pm
Did they test or sluice today? The water was up to 800cfs at one point and it's muddy. Weird unless the lake is turning over?


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on October 31, 2017, 17:20:55 pm
Yesterday and today, they sent a slug downstream mid-day. Guess it was a test?
Drawing from a muddy layer? The generator pulls from a higher level than the sluice gates (which was nasty enough).  b';
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: 22midge on October 31, 2017, 18:46:55 pm
any idea what they may be doing tomorrow........?
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on October 31, 2017, 19:00:07 pm
These tests are not announced.
Be aware!

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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 31, 2017, 19:17:52 pm
Don't know why it was muddy or why it raised the water temp 9 degrees!
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: IFStultz on October 31, 2017, 21:39:06 pm
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on October 31, 2017, 19:17:52 pm
Don't know why it was muddy or why it raised the water temp 9 degrees!

Strange right? Hope this isn't gonna become normal when they start generating again.


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on October 31, 2017, 21:45:52 pm
The lake is like a layer cake. We've been slow to work through the layers.
At 600+ cfs we'll work through them faster. (If they actually get shit working.)
What does a two year stagnant lake look like? Who knows.
The roller coaster continues.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: DRIFTS on November 01, 2017, 06:27:03 am
What's the dydimo stuff looking like after all this time of warmer water, better?  0:0
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on November 06, 2017, 19:25:31 pm
Looks like they are back up and running - This is the latest as of today. Start checking the phone announcement.  Only one turbine but it will get you in trouble if you are not aware of your surroundings.

"Unit 1 is available for generation and is running this week on a limited schedule.

Anticipate generation Monday through Friday several hours each day, with station service unit flow 24/7.
We are closing the low flow valve until Thursday afternoon"



Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on November 09, 2017, 17:32:49 pm
The latest. Get out and get'em this weekend ;D.    They are still tweaking things a bit but looks like we are about back to regular scheduling.  Keep checking the phone announcement 276-629-2432 

"We will be making releases through the station service unit this weekend - beginning after scheduled generation today (5pm) and lasting through start of generation Monday morning.
We are working with SEPA to determine next week's declaration, so expect the schedule for next week to be sent out tomorrow.

Air temperatures are expected to be cool in the Smith Basin this weekend, but we will be monitoring water temperatures on the River throughout the weekend.
Although the station service unit is rated to release 30 cfs, the flows in the Smith River below the dam at the Philpott USGS gage have been reading close to 60 cfs between unit 1 generation this past week. The minimum flows at Bassett this past week have been nr 70 cfs."
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on November 15, 2017, 22:39:45 pm
Don't think the temp swings are going to do the trouts any good!
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on November 15, 2017, 23:17:00 pm
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on November 15, 2017, 22:39:45 pm
Don't think the temp swings are going to do the trouts any good!


You are right Woolly - They can see the results of those temp swings when they age the fish back in the laboratory.  The fish get confused and go into winter mode. They don't feed as much on what little food there is. That is why fish in the upper river are stunted for the most part. 

It will be interesting to hear what the past two years of constant flows did to the fish. We think it was good for growth but won't know for sure until the biologist crunch all the numbers and issue their report at the SRTU meeting on December 7th.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: troutfanatic on November 16, 2017, 18:35:44 pm
my research project should have some real clues when we run the stats on upper river 2015 vs upper river 2017. Unfortunately I had to use 2015 data to meet my timeline and it doesn't tell us much of anything we don't already know.

I had to review a half dozen papers on the tailwater effect, do not be fooled into thinking that temp spikes are the only problem. I focused on lack of forage fish and crayfish in the upper river. While I did invert biomass, it was in line with the observations of T. Newcomb and the Orth study.

Virginia has numerous species of crayfish, some can easily tolerate the mean discharge temp of 8 degrees Celsius. What species are in the Smith is unknown to me, so temps could be a factor, but so can alternating depths and velocities. Remember, these little critters need food too. This comes via leaf litter and other detritus that is pretty easily washed away at 400 CFS or better. Sedimentation is also a key problem in tailwaters. This is why the last half mile before MV dam is unproductive unless you are into suckers, chubs and the like. The substrate is all muck.

I present on Tuesday. Wish me luck.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Onslow on November 16, 2017, 22:00:58 pm
TF, nearly all Foothill streams have silt issues due to moderate rainfall, hilly terrain, and poorly suited land use.  The issue with the build up above Martinsville has more to do with Martinsville dam than Philpott.  Heck, the dams on Big Elkin creek near my house are almost entirely backfilled by sediment.

I'm of the opinion nearly all negatives at the upper Smith stem from the loathsome pulse release.  The most severe pulse release river I can think of in NC is the Pee Dee below Tillery.  Ain't much of a fishery there.  Tailwaters such as the Neuse below Falls Lake, Roanoke River below Roanoke Rapids lake, and many other more stable tailwaters are more productive than natural river environs.

Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on April 25, 2018, 14:49:52 pm
Heads up again guys - find someplace else to fish for at least all of next week.

"We are increasing this week's declaration again at Philpott, beginning 24-hr generation with one unit Friday. Anticipate extending 24/7 generation through end of next week.

Sluice releases will be needed also for a few days to manage lake levels."
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on April 30, 2018, 17:47:37 pm
Here is the latest - Go fishing elsewhere for at least another week.

"We are increasing this week's declaration again at Philpott, beginning 24-hr generation with one unit Friday. 

Anticipate extending 24/7 generation through end of next week.  Sluice releases will be needed also for a few days to manage lake levels".
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 02, 2018, 21:22:47 pm
Here is the latest - still not good to include the weekend. You might be able to wade the wide spots at 450cfs but it will be rough.  Go elsewhere b';

"Philpott:  Only Unit 1 in service. Declaring total of 840 MWH. This equates to roughly 450 cfs daily average for the entire week.
We have coordinated with SEPA to generate 120 MWH Saturday and Sunday (providing a daily average of 450 cfs each day) in order to keep the lake from rising over the weekend. The generation for the rest of the week allows for more operational flexibility to meet peak demands".


Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 09, 2018, 16:02:17 pm
Get ready for it - next week is looking good. Just in time for some top-water action.

"Philpott:  Only Unit 1 in service. Declaring total of 765 MWH. This equates to roughly 200 cfs daily average for the entire week".
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 09, 2018, 20:33:02 pm
Quote from: Al on May 09, 2018, 16:02:17 pm
Get ready for it - next week is looking good. Just in time for some top-water action.

"Philpott:  Only Unit 1 in service. Declaring total of 765 MWH. This equates to roughly 200 cfs daily average for the entire week".



Correction to what I posted about 3 hours ago.  Be sure you call the announcement (276-629-2432) which should be updated on Friday

Philpott: Only Unit 1 in service. Declaring total of 765 MWH; equates to about 415 cfs weekly (7-day) average outflow (however, actual daily average outflows will vary depending on generation schedule each day).
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on May 11, 2018, 12:02:23 pm
Generating next 7 days. Check the message! Bastages.

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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 11, 2018, 13:10:58 pm
Quote from: Dougfish on May 11, 2018, 12:02:23 pm
Generating next 7 days. Check the message! Bastages.

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Go early and get downstream - stay ahead of the flow - ie water will not hit Stanleytown Bridge until mid morning and down in Koehler about noon.

Be aware of your surroundings and in an area where you can get out if you are playing it close to flow arrival time. If you get out on the wrong side of the stream it will be a long walk back to your vehicle.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 17, 2018, 13:02:39 pm
 b'; b'; b'; It is not looking good for the following week. Here is the latest....................

"Apologies for the lateness of the declaration...the timing and duration of this storm event is a challenge.  Revisions to the declaration are very likely based on how the remainder of this multi-day event plays out rainfall-wise.

PHILPOTT:  Declaring 1035 MWH secondary, for a weekly total of 1260 MWH.  Declaration supports continuous generation starting Saturday; however, in the extremely unlikely event that rainfall is inadequate to support continuous generation for the entire week, secondary energy could possibly be reduced with advanced notice next week".

Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on May 18, 2018, 09:26:32 am
Need to stock it.

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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 21, 2018, 10:57:31 am
Well it could have been worse - Here is the latest...............

"The last week has produced a tremendous amount of rain, pushing river flows above flood stage and resulting in inflows into Kerr over  80,000 cfs for most of Saturday and Sunday. Dan and Roanoke River flows, and thus inflows into Kerr, have peaked, but there is still plenty of water being stored in the lake.

The headwaters of Philpott were spared, relatively speaking, so inflows are falling off fairly quickly. Philpott currently 975.5 ft and falling; releasing ~630 cfs through single unit generation. Anticipate modest sluice releases this week, targeting elevation 974 ft by Friday".
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 21, 2018, 15:14:58 pm
They have some more up to date info - here it is............

"Philpott is running 24/7 generation this week, so no additional energy can be added. However, anticipate additional releases through sluice gate beginning this afternoon."

About an hour later this came in..............

"We will be increasing releases this afternoon - opening one sluice gate one foot for an additional 450 cfs.
Total flow from dam will be ~1100 cfs.  Anticipate holding the rate of release until Thursday".



Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 23, 2018, 14:23:37 pm
Things are looking up  ;D  Now if we can keep the rains in check.   Here is the latest .........................

Philpott:
- Currently nr elevation 974.5 ft and falling.
- Making 450 cfs sluice releases since Monday afternoon, in addition to 24-hr generation, to manage the lake levels this week. Anticipate stopping sluice gate releases this afternoon or tomorrow morning.

Declaration for next week is expected to result in a more normal generation schedule (i.e. no generation this weekend, and moderate generation schedule for the weekdays).

- Targeting elevation 974 ft for the weekend.


An hour later this came to me ......................

"Philpott Sluice Gate #2 closed at 1300 OT"
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: dhjunkie on May 23, 2018, 22:29:03 pm
Looking up indeed.  Thanks for the update Al.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: creakycane on May 24, 2018, 20:31:52 pm
according to the message on the phone line, May 24 - May 31 will have 24 hour generation. >:(
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on May 25, 2018, 07:29:36 am
Quote from: creakycane on May 24, 2018, 20:31:52 pm
according to the message on the phone line, May 24 - May 31 will have 24 hour generation. >:(


That's what I just heard, too.  n!n
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 25, 2018, 20:56:27 pm
It is to late for me to inquire as to what is going on this weekend but I will do so early next week. I understand flood stage abatement and also understand the reason we are getting prolonged generation due to only one generator, but once the lake level is down I think it is time for Dominion Power to be a little more accommodating. 

Stand by.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on May 25, 2018, 21:49:23 pm
They probably looked at the forecast. A few more inches headed this way?
But anyhow.....those fukkers.  n!n  -+;  n!n  :;!  :banana-fu:
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: creakycane on May 26, 2018, 09:34:49 am
It's updated again, and there will be down periods so all is not lost!
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 26, 2018, 10:15:01 am
Quote from: creakycane on May 26, 2018, 09:34:49 am
It's updated again, and there will be down periods so all is not lost!


Here is the latest - Mostly morning fishing opportunity but if you get downstream you can fish well into the afternoons.  Go get 'em ;D

Generation schedule for May 26- June 1.

Sat. 26- 12pm-9pm
Sun. 27- 2pm-7pm
Mon. 28- 2pm-7pm
Tues. 29- 12pm-9pm
Wed. 30- 1pm-8pm
Thus. 31- 4pm-7pm
Fri. 1- 5pm-7pm

*note, this schedule is subject to change.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on July 13, 2018, 17:30:18 pm
Cut and paste from the Philpott Facebook page

Philpott Generation Schedule for July 14-20.
Sat. 14th, 2-7pm
Sun. 15th, 2-8pm
Mon. 16th, 11am-9pm
Tues. 17th, 12-8pm
Wed. 18th, 12-8pm
Thurs. 19th, 12-7pm
Fri. 20th, 1-7pm
*Note: this schedule is subject to change without notice
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: driver on July 13, 2018, 18:07:08 pm
Quote from: Al on July 13, 2018, 17:30:18 pm
Cut and paste from the Philpott Facebook page

Philpott Generation Schedule for July 14-20.
Sat. 14th, 2-7pm
Sun. 15th, 2-8pm
Mon. 16th, 11am-9pm
Tues. 17th, 12-8pm
Wed. 18th, 12-8pm
Thurs. 19th, 12-7pm
Fri. 20th, 1-7pm
*Note: this schedule is subject to change without notice
What happened to no weekend releases
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Big J on July 13, 2018, 19:07:17 pm
Quote from: driver on July 13, 2018, 18:07:08 pm
Quote from: Al on July 13, 2018, 17:30:18 pm
Cut and paste from the Philpott Facebook page

Philpott Generation Schedule for July 14-20.
Sat. 14th, 2-7pm
Sun. 15th, 2-8pm
Mon. 16th, 11am-9pm
Tues. 17th, 12-8pm
Wed. 18th, 12-8pm
Thurs. 19th, 12-7pm
Fri. 20th, 1-7pm
*Note: this schedule is subject to change without notice
What happened to no weekend releases


You want weekend releases. They have always done weekend releases in summer to keep the lower smith trout alive.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on July 13, 2018, 20:50:20 pm
Quote from: Big J on July 13, 2018, 19:07:17 pm
Quote from: driver on July 13, 2018, 18:07:08 pm
Quote from: Al on July 13, 2018, 17:30:18 pm
Cut and paste from the Philpott Facebook page

Philpott Generation Schedule for July 14-20.
Sat. 14th, 2-7pm
Sun. 15th, 2-8pm
Mon. 16th, 11am-9pm
Tues. 17th, 12-8pm
Wed. 18th, 12-8pm
Thurs. 19th, 12-7pm
Fri. 20th, 1-7pm
*Note: this schedule is subject to change without notice
What happened to no weekend releases


You want weekend releases. They have always done weekend releases in summer to keep the lower smith trout alive.


Big J is right - we need all the cool water we can get to include weekends, especially since they are only turning one turbine. The use of one turbine has changed things a lot. We hated the fire hose effect of two turbines but it did have the effect of cooling things off in a hurry. Now the water is flowing at a reduced cfs which gives it a chance to warm up faster as it flows downstream. We thought we were in good shape when we lobbied DGIF to extend the managed trout water beyond the Martinsville Dam to the Mitchel Bridge - an additional 10 miles. That fishery is now in jeopardy as we enter the doldrums of summer. It is just not a matter of more water - the temperatures behind Philpott Dam have also increased. No one is sure if this is because of a global warming trend or perhaps the strata of the lake has changed because of 2 years of "free flow" while they were making repairs at the dam.

FYI - The Philpott COE, DGIF and SRTU are working together to do all we can to save the fishery.  Will we be successful - no one knows? Pray for rain and an early onset of cooler temperatures.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on July 14, 2018, 02:04:36 am
Would be nice if they would cut the water off by 5 or 6 on the weekend.... jis sayin


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: IFStultz on July 16, 2018, 11:52:26 am
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on July 14, 2018, 02:04:36 am
Would be nice if they would cut the water off by 5 or 6 on the weekend.... jis sayin


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I've been floating it some at 650 and it's surprising how much is actually wadeable with the water on.


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on July 18, 2018, 18:45:18 pm

Quote from: IFStultz on July 16, 2018, 11:52:26 am
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on July 14, 2018, 02:04:36 amWould be nice if they would cut the water off by 5 or 6 on the weekend.... jis sayin Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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good deal, i'll have to check it out....


hate that the sulfurs were "powered over" this year....

Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: streamereater_101691 on July 18, 2018, 22:41:54 pm


Quotehate that the sulfurs were "powered over" this year....



for wading yes, for floating, absolutely not. They don't get a good look at the bug at 650 and eat very well
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on August 03, 2018, 13:52:52 pm
Just got word that Philpot, Kerr and Gaston are at or about at full pool. They are going to be drawing down all this weekend and most of next week.

Check the announcements before venturing out.

In the case of Pillpott I crossed a couple of bridges this morning and it is brown and moving right along



Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Fishbug on August 08, 2018, 14:47:29 pm
Quote from: streamereater_101691 on July 18, 2018, 22:41:54 pm


Quotehate that the sulfurs were "powered over" this year....



for wading yes, for floating, absolutely not. They don't get a good look at the bug at 650 and eat very well


What kind of boat are you floating? Any details on when---start of generation/mid/end?


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: streamereater_101691 on August 08, 2018, 17:29:40 pm
Quote from: Fishbug on August 08, 2018, 14:47:29 pm
Quote from: streamereater_101691 on July 18, 2018, 22:41:54 pm


Quotehate that the sulfurs were "powered over" this year....



for wading yes, for floating, absolutely not. They don't get a good look at the bug at 650 and eat very well


What kind of boat are you floating? Any details on when---start of generation/mid/end?


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Quote from: Fishbug on August 08, 2018, 14:47:29 pm
Quote from: streamereater_101691 on July 18, 2018, 22:41:54 pm


Quotehate that the sulfurs were "powered over" this year....



for wading yes, for floating, absolutely not. They don't get a good look at the bug at 650 and eat very well


What kind of boat are you floating? Any details on when---start of generation/mid/end?




Canoe and now a stealthcraft hooligan xl. Something with an anchor to set up on a rising fish. Finding a steady riser hasn't been very difficult for me. They really head towards the shore and cover to grab an easy meal. Haven't streamer fished yet, but I bet it will be pretty good this fall. Depends on when the bugs hatch of course. I've been giving them an hour or so to get acclimated to the flow. Being that now we are at the tail end of the event, it has been prolific, but short and close to dusk. Spinner fall was pretty dang good on sunday night. Better numbers and size of bugs up top now. I pray we never see 1500cfs again.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on September 14, 2018, 22:16:45 pm
I pulled this from the COE FB page

WATER RELEASE UPDATE!  We try to maintain a normal lake level and do not draw down the lake prior to a storm.  If we send a lot of water downstream it would have increased the potential of flooding. We do try to bring the lake to a normal level as quickly, but cautiously as we can. 

If the lake is 8 feet high and we hold that water too long and get another storm soon after, we've reduced the amout of flood storage we have by eight feet for that second storm.  The best way to reduce flood risk to downstream communities is operate these reservoir projects as they were designed, which is to capture floodwaters flowing into these reservoirs during storm events and then to release that stored water in a controlled less-damaging manner after downstream conditions start to improve.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on September 18, 2018, 08:44:31 am
This just in .....................

"Declaring an additional 187.5 MWH from Philpott to support 24 hour generation beginning 0800 tomorrow 19 Sep."
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on September 19, 2018, 12:13:51 pm
Time to go fishing else where .............. It looks like the 24 hr 670 cfs can't keep up with the inflow so they have opened the sluice gate as well.

Earlier this morning email which I am Cc on distribution line ............

"Philpott initiated 24 hour generation (670 cfs) at 0800 this morning. Please open one sluice gate to 2.5 ft (1075 cfs)"

Just now email which I am Cc on distribution line ...........

"Philpott Sluice #2 opened 2.5' at 11:10 OT on 19-Sept"

Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: driver on September 19, 2018, 12:49:25 pm
This is

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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on September 19, 2018, 20:48:02 pm
Looks like well into next week as well ...................

"Kerr/Philpott Energy Declaration for 22 - 28 Sep 2018 (Flood Operations)

PHILPOTT:  Declaring firm energy (300 MWH) and 960 MWH secondary energy resulting in unit 1 generating 24 hours through next week.

KERR:  Declaring firm energy (3370 MWH) and 27430 MWH secondary energy resulting in an equivalent 7-day average flow from Kerr of 25,000 cfs."
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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Big J on September 20, 2018, 12:01:15 pm
That's a good slug of water  :o
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on September 20, 2018, 16:12:11 pm
The latest ......................

PHILPOTT
Currently near elevation 977.8 ft.
The lake peaked the morning of the 19th at 978.56 ft.
Current releases are near 1725 cfs and will be held over the weekend before flows are reduced next week.

KERR
Currently near elevation 308.4 ft.
Looking at a peak of 308.5-309 ft
Releases from Gaston will be near 16,000 cfs before ramping up over the weekend to 25,000 cfs to be released through next week.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on September 21, 2018, 15:13:08 pm
FYI. The one functioning turbine is no longer functional. They are trying to repair it. In the meantime they are dumping 1700 cfs in attempt to keep ahead of the inflow.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on September 21, 2018, 16:09:30 pm
Quote from: Al on September 21, 2018, 15:13:08 pm
FYI. The one functioning turbine is no longer functional. They are trying to repair it. In the meantime they are dumping 1700 cfs in attempt to keep ahead of the inflow.


The tours of the powerhouse should be really special tomorrow.  :laugh:   b';
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on September 27, 2018, 21:01:13 pm
The latest - don't expect things to change as long as we keep getting rain.

PHILPOTT
Currently near elevation 974.25 ft.
Generating 24 hours through Friday.
Declaration for next week calls for 16 hours of generation on average each day.

KERR
Currently near elevation 309.3 ft.
Heavier than expected rain over the past weekend on top of rainfall from Florence kept inflows higher this week prompting slightly higher releases next week.
Releases from Rapids will be stepping up this weekend to 28,500 cfs for next week.


FYI - I took part in the tour of Philpott Dam last weekend. Received a lot of trivia info about the building of the dam. One item that was not trivia was they have received funding to replace the two old turbines. They are currently in the design phase. The first one to be replaced will be the one which is beyond repair. This is a whole new territory and the replacement of the 1st one will not physically begin for about 3 years. How that replacement goes will be used as a learning experience and dictate how and when the 2nd one is replaced.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: driver on September 27, 2018, 23:08:13 pm
Are they going to shut the water off for the clean up?
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on September 28, 2018, 06:48:40 am
Quote from: driver on September 27, 2018, 23:08:13 pm
Are they going to shut the water off for the clean up?


No - There is too much water coming into the watershed.

The clean up will be mainly a road and along the banks clean up.  Hope you will join us.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: streamereater_101691 on October 01, 2018, 20:48:40 pm
FYI..The florence monsoon triggered the start of lake turnover. Silty, 63 degree water coming out of philpott right now until the lake water mixes well. 
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on October 01, 2018, 20:55:08 pm
Quote from: streamereater_101691 on October 01, 2018, 20:48:40 pm
FYI..The florence monsoon triggered the start of lake turnover. Silty, 63 degree water coming out of philpott right now until the lake water mixes well.


The worst.  b';  :;!  n!n
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on October 05, 2018, 17:40:18 pm
This came to me today............. passing it on.

PHILPOTT
Currently near elevation 975.1 ft.
Generating 12-18 hours through Friday.

KERR
Currently near elevation 304.5 ft.
As per the betterment plan releases from Rapids will be stepping down starting at midnight tonight.
Flows will be near 24k for the weekend. Monday flows will be ramped down from 24k to 15k which will be held through Friday.
The betterment will last through the following week and should bring the lake within 0.5-1 ft of guide curve by the end of the week without any additional rain.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on October 12, 2018, 19:57:07 pm
Surfs up guys -need to go hunting or tie some flies.

PHILPOTT
Currently near elevation 979.0 ft (7.5 ft above guide curve) and appears to have peaked at 979.08 ft.
Generating 12-18 hours through Friday.
Sluice releases were started this morning to help turn the lake. Current outflows totaling near 1700 cfs.

KERR
Currently near elevation 304.15 ft (5.4 ft above guide curve) and rising.
Forecast peak elevation 312.5-313.5 near the middle of next week.
Inflows for today and tomorrow are expected to be in the 100,000 to nearly 150,000 cfs range.
Next week's original declaration called for step down of flows from Roanoke Rapids from 15,000 cfs to 10,000 cfs.

***However, based on extremely high current and forecast inflows into Kerr we anticipate increasing outflows from Roanoke Rapids to 35,000 cfs starting Wednesday. This will be confirmed with a follow up email Monday with additional details based on actual inflows over the weekend.***
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on October 26, 2018, 17:25:10 pm
I don't know what to say except you had better bring a raft or go fishing elsewhere.........

Philpott Generation Schedule for Oct 27-Nov 2.
Sat 27, 6am-11pm
Sun 28, 6am-10pm
Mon 29, 5am-12am midnight
Tues 30, 5am-12am midnight
Wed 31, 5am-12am midnight
Thur 1, 5am-11pm
Fri 2, 5am-11pm

On the bright side they are saying the lake is now down to normal pool or at least it was before the rain today - if Mother Nature would just shut off the spigot maybe we can get some wade fishing in. 
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 26, 2018, 17:52:32 pm

the inch and a half of rain today ain't gonna help the situation


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on December 14, 2018, 18:04:29 pm
In case you are wondering  https://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv/?site_no=02073000   2150 cfs today - might be time to get a surf board.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on December 17, 2018, 19:54:27 pm
It is not on the announcement yet but my sources tell me there will be a maintenance shut down from 0700 on the 19th through 1700 hrs on the 20th (Wed - Thru) .  Once again be sure to check the recording but this might be a good time to do a little wading.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on December 18, 2018, 19:07:21 pm
Quote from: Al on December 17, 2018, 19:54:27 pm
It is not on the announcement yet but my sources tell me there will be a maintenance shut down from 0700 on the 19th through 1700 hrs on the 20th (Wed - Thru) .  Once again be sure to check the recording but this might be a good time to do a little wading.


Hmmm. My schedule could be manipulated.  -0-
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: ryguy on December 18, 2018, 21:03:14 pm
Probably going to be one of the few fishable waters after this next bit of rain...


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on December 18, 2018, 21:30:47 pm
Quote from: ryguy on December 18, 2018, 21:03:14 pm
Probably going to be one of the few fishable waters after before this next bit of rain...


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on December 18, 2018, 21:56:01 pm
Well so much for wading - here is the latest  b';

"Philpott has an unscheduled plant outage beginning 0700 Wednesday (12/19) ending 1700 Thursday (12/20).

During the plant outage one sluice gate will be open to 2.5 ft (1060 cfs)."
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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on December 18, 2018, 22:25:51 pm
You tease...  n!n
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: BRFFF on December 19, 2018, 14:03:02 pm
Quote from: Al on December 18, 2018, 21:56:01 pm
Well so much for wading - here is the latest  b';

"Philpott has an unscheduled plant outage beginning 0700 Wednesday (12/19) ending 1700 Thursday (12/20).

During the plant outage one sluice gate will be open to 2.5 ft (1060 cfs)."
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Damn it, I was all ready to go! But thanks for the update!


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: BRFFF on December 21, 2018, 00:52:13 am
2.5 inches of rain today -- lake is up a foot and more is on the way


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on December 21, 2018, 10:25:49 am
Quote from: BRFFF on December 21, 2018, 00:52:13 am
2.5 inches of rain today -- lake is up a foot and more is on the way

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Not much we can do about 24 hour generation when they have this much water - latest forecast from my source at COE is 24/7 all of next week.

What I am going to explore is once things get back to normal - ie normal seems to be 12 hour generation, why can't that 12 hours be programed so that there is at least a portion of the day where we can wade?

I know the argument will be "we are a peaking station and we can make more $ at peak rate."  Actually there is not a great $ difference. Good will and public relations should have some value. I've fought this fight before - I'll need your help if we go this route.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 21, 2018, 11:45:35 am
Quote from: Al on December 21, 2018, 10:25:49 amWhat I am going to explore is once things get back to normal - ie normal seems to be 12 hour generation, why can't that 12 hours be programed so that there is at least a portion of the day where we can wade?



Money, they don't make any money running the generation at night. Peak hours equate to the most dollars....

lake is up over 2 feet now and still rising.....
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on December 26, 2018, 13:44:52 pm
The latest ..................

"Philpott will begin sluicing today in order to turn the lake. One gate will be opened to a 2.5' setting before lunch.

An additional 1-2 changes to follow."
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on December 26, 2018, 16:54:26 pm
Quote from: Al on December 26, 2018, 13:44:52 pm
The latest ..................

"Philpott will begin sluicing today in order to turn the lake. One gate will be opened to a 2.5' setting before lunch.

An additional 1-2 changes to follow."



Better get out of the way, they now opening to 7.5 feet.

Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on December 26, 2018, 18:30:54 pm
Jeebus.

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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: BRFFF on December 26, 2018, 19:53:13 pm
Quote from: Dougfish on December 26, 2018, 18:30:54 pm
Jeebus.

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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on December 27, 2018, 12:32:24 pm
Ramping on down - but still flowing to much for safe wading ............. Time to buy a raft

"Sluice gate settings are being reduced today.

At 1100 the setting was reduced to a 5' setting resulting in 2190 cfs from the gate.

At 1300 the setting will be reduced to a 2.5' setting resulting in 1065 cfs from the gate in addition to a single unit generation.

Plan to hold this setting through the weekend."
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on December 27, 2018, 13:30:48 pm
"One additional change will be made this afternoon going to a 1.5' setting at 1500.

This setting is the equivalent of unit 2 being in operations and will result in outflows of near 1300 cfs over the weekend."
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: BRFFF on December 28, 2018, 18:40:04 pm
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2.5+ inches of rain ain't gonna help any


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on December 31, 2018, 15:09:42 pm
Here we go again - This came in about an hour ago ...........

"Sluice releases from Philpott are being increased today. Total releases from the project will be near  3350 cfs be the end of the day."

Followed by this just now ....................

"Philpott Sluice Gate #2 raised from 1.5' to 4' at 1150OT; expect another 2.5' around 1400OT for a max opening of 6.5'  "
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on February 05, 2019, 17:20:56 pm
I wish you guys would stop pissing upstream of Philpott because it all flows down hill and they can't keep the overall lake levels in check.

"The sluice gate is being opened this morning to a flow rate of 640 cfs in effort to get the lake to 974 ft before the weekend. Total from the project will be near 1300 cfs, equivalent of both units being in operation."
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dee-Vo on February 05, 2019, 19:39:41 pm
I've had a hankering to visit the Smith. Will it ever be back to fishable?


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on February 05, 2019, 21:38:03 pm
Quote from: Dee-Vo on February 05, 2019, 19:39:41 pm
I've had a hankering to visit the Smith. Will it ever be back to fishable?

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We are working on it - In fact I am involved with talks right now for a compromise with more wader friendly flows /'/   we will see!

The problem right now is no matter what we agree to there is just too much water coming into the dam. Not sure if that will abate later this spring but if it does I am hopeful that we can compromise as to the timing of when it goes through the turbines.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dee-Vo on February 05, 2019, 22:08:07 pm
Quote from: Al on February 05, 2019, 21:38:03 pm
Quote from: Dee-Vo on February 05, 2019, 19:39:41 pm
I've had a hankering to visit the Smith. Will it ever be back to fishable?

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We are working on it - In fact I am involved with talks right now for a compromise with more wader friendly flows /'/   we will see!

The problem right now is no matter what we agree to there is just too much water coming into the dam. Not sure if that will abate later this spring but if it does I am hopeful that we can compromise as to the timing of when it goes through the turbines.


Kudos for your efforts.


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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: creakycane on February 15, 2019, 13:42:59 pm
Thanks for looking into the flow situation, Al.   Hopefully they can double release a bit to give a few hours w/o generation each day?  I'm sure there would be quite a bit of interest in this!
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 20, 2019, 18:52:45 pm
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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: ryguy on February 20, 2019, 19:59:16 pm
Yeah, that's a lot of rain!  I guess the Smith won't be wadeable anytime soon...  Bummer, visiting family in the region this weekend and was looking to try out my Spey rod.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: driver on February 20, 2019, 21:41:57 pm
And the caddis should be starting to come off..................... b';
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on February 20, 2019, 22:08:43 pm
Nothing to see here, move along...
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: creakycane on March 06, 2019, 11:30:03 am
Well, the tape hasn't been updated since mid Feb.  Talking to an operator and an ACE contact, I get the feeling they are going to keep the one generator going for quite a while 24/7 , then get into the more "normal" (for the past year) 8AM - Midnight.  When?  I have no idea.  Hoping the budding trees and and plants slurp up the water in a hurry.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Dougfish on March 06, 2019, 20:00:29 pm
We'll have mo info after our meeting tomorrow night. You are welcome to join us, of course.  -0-
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 07, 2019, 20:44:58 pm
This just came across my desk - looks like they may be down for repairs - as always check the gauge and announcement.

"PHILPOTT:  Due to issues with the unit the 690 MWH secondary energy is being reduced by 632 MWH (58 MWH were generated Saturday and Monday). The 225 MWH Firm energy is being transferred to Kerr."
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 16, 2019, 10:33:03 am
Not much love for the wade fisherman b';

Philpott Generation Schedule for May 18th-24th
Sat. 18th, 9am-11pm
Sun. 19th, 9am-11pm
Mon. 20th, 4am-11pm
Tues. 21st, 5am-11pm
Wed. 22nd, 6am-11pm
Thur. 23rd, 6am-10pm
Fri. 24th, 6am-10pm
*Note: This schedule is subject to change without notice.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: streamereater_101691 on May 16, 2019, 20:04:52 pm
good news since they are forecasting possible record highs this coming week
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on May 16, 2019, 22:35:27 pm
Quote from: streamereater_101691 on May 16, 2019, 20:04:52 pmgood news since they are forecasting possible record highs this coming week

Actually not so much good news.

I'm not a water flow expert or fisheries biologist but this is what I heard at the December SRTU meeting. According to DGIF the one turbine at 700cfs all day long is not chilling the water the way two turbines at 1400 for a shorter period was. It seems the 700 cfs flow has more of a chance to warm as it goes downstream.

With that in mind we are in talks with COE about running the one turbine and the sluice gate so the flow gets up to 1400cfs - this would clear the inflows to Philpott twice as fast in a controlled manner which was main purpose of the dam in the first place, ie flood control. Unfortunately that mission has morphed over into revenue making with every gallon of water that does not go through the turbine viewed as revenue lost.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: streamereater_101691 on May 16, 2019, 22:44:00 pm
Quote from: Al on May 16, 2019, 22:35:27 pm
Quote from: streamereater_101691 on May 16, 2019, 20:04:52 pmgood news since they are forecasting possible record highs this coming week

Actually not so much good news.

I'm not a water flow expert or fisheries biologist but this is what I heard at the December SRTU meeting. According to DGIF the one turbine at 700cfs all day long is not chilling the water the way two turbines at 1400 for a shorter period was. It seems the 700 cfs flow has more of a chance to warm as it goes downstream.

With that in mind we are in talks with COE about running the one turbine and the sluice gate so the flow gets up to 1400cfs - this would clear the inflows to Philpott twice as fast in a controlled manner which was main purpose of the dam in the first place, ie flood control. Unfortunately that mission has morphed over into revenue making with every gallon of water that does not go through the turbine viewed as revenue lost.

I understand everything you just pointed out Al. 700cfs is much better than 55cfs. This week, flow will hit the lower river at the warmest part of the day.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on June 10, 2019, 12:51:36 pm
I am not near the Smith right now but my guess is they have received a ton of rain - Philpott is slucicing. One upside is it will chill the water. Here is the latest..................

Opening a sluice gate at Philpott to a 1.5 ft setting for an additional flow of 655 cfs (equivalent to having the second unit online).
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on June 10, 2019, 18:00:39 pm
Quote from: Al on June 10, 2019, 12:51:36 pmI am not near the Smith right now but my guess is they have received a ton of rain - Philpott is slucicing. One upside is it will chill the water. Here is the latest..................

Opening a sluice gate at Philpott to a 1.5 ft setting for an additional flow of 655 cfs (equivalent to having the second unit online).

1370 CFS -- 47.5 degrees F
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on July 03, 2019, 07:15:05 am
Lower river temps reaching lethal highs during short weekend Dam releases
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Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on July 07, 2019, 20:29:51 pm
I know that this does not leave a lot for you guys who sleep late or have a job but it is a whole lot better than what we have been seeing - Get on out there!

Philpott Generation Schedule for July 6-12.
Sat. 6th, 10am-2pm
Sun. 7th, 10 am-2pm
Mon. 8th, 2pm-8pm
Tues. 9th, 12pm-9pm
Wed. 10th, 12pm-9pm
Thur. 11th, 12pm-9pm
Fri. 12th, 12pm-9pm
*Note: this schedule is subject to change without notice.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on July 19, 2019, 10:09:15 am
Woolly locked the BW thread which is just as well.

Here is the latest release schedule - it won't please everyone b';  but there's plenty of opportunity to fish and paddle. Get out there  /'/

PHILPOTT GENERATION SCHEDULE JULY 20 - JULY 26

Saturday, July 20: 10 AM - 2 PM
Sunday, July 21: 10 AM - 2 PM
Monday, July 22: 11 AM - 9 PM
Tuesday, July 23: 12 PM - 8 PM
Wednesday, July 24: 12 PM - 8 PM
Thursday, July 25: 12 PM - 8 PM
Friday, July 26: 12 PM - 8 PM
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Al on August 01, 2019, 17:53:22 pm
The latest.................

Philpott Generation Schedule for Aug. 3-9
Sat. 3, 10am-2pm
Sun. 4, 10am-2pm
Mon.5, 1pm-9pm
Tues. 6,1pm-9pm
Wed. 7, 11am-9pm
Thur. 8, 11am-9pm
Fri. 9, 11am-9pm
*Note: This schedule is subject to change without notice.
Title: Re: Philpott / Smith River Planned Releases
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 05, 2019, 16:40:39 pm
With a 1pm release time I think I'm going to hit it on Tuesday  d:b