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Title: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 25, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers today asked the Pebble Partnership to submit plans for offsetting the damage its giant proposed copper and gold mine would cause to thousands of acres of wetlands and streams in southwest Alaska's Bristol Bay region—a hurdle that could delay and ultimately thwart federal permitting.

The Army Corps' Alaska District found that "discharges at the mine site would cause unavoidable adverse impacts to aquatic resources and, preliminarily, that those adverse impacts would result in significant degradation to those aquatic resources."

Restoring or preserving wetlands in the same watershed of the mine site could prove impossible for Pebble, given the region's pristine conditions, and the requirement could ultimately kill the project.


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/08/reversal-trump-kills-huge-alaskan-gold-mine-here-s-why
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 29, 2020, 07:55:32 AM
I think we have Trump, Jr. to thank for that. He is a pretty starch conservationist, hunter, and fisherman. I believe he talked some sense into his daddy, or went and shook the piss out of him.  :laugh: 
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 29, 2020, 09:17:55 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 29, 2020, 07:55:32 AMI think we have Trump, Jr. to thank for that. He is a pretty starch conservationist, hunter, and fisherman. I believe he talked some sense into his daddy, or went and shook the piss out of him.  :laugh: 

Yes, this sort of thing is likely the reason Vanessa grew weary of Jr.  He might very well be a starchy outdoorsman but may have no "starch" in his meatpole and certainly not his chin.
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: troutrus on August 29, 2020, 12:33:04 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy/controversial-alaska-gold-mine-opposed-by-trump-jr-isnt-dead-administration-privately-tells-conservatives
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 29, 2020, 12:42:40 PM
yup pre-exuberation
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Al on August 30, 2020, 21:44:35 PM
Now that Trump is against it I am waiting for the Democrats to be for it  -  that's how things have been working for the past four years?  :laugh: 
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Michael Toris on August 30, 2020, 23:26:59 PM
If that douche is an 'outdoorsman' then I'm a fuckin' astronaut. Y'all are getting played and by a bunch of rich Yankees to boot.
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Onslow on August 31, 2020, 04:41:46 AM
Quote from: wildmttwalleye on August 30, 2020, 23:26:59 PMIf that douche is an 'outdoorsman' then I'm a fuckin' astronaut. Y'all are getting played and by a bunch of rich Yankees to boot.

Jr. is slightly less annoying than Meghan and Harry Markle. There is nothing more annoying than whiny rich folk, faux environmentalists, and those who masturbate to their own big game selfies.
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 31, 2020, 07:51:45 AM
Quote from: Onslow on August 31, 2020, 04:41:46 AM
Quote from: wildmttwalleye on August 30, 2020, 23:26:59 PMIf that douche is an 'outdoorsman' then I'm a fuckin' astronaut. Y'all are getting played and by a bunch of rich Yankees to boot.

Jr. is slightly less annoying than Meghan and Harry Markle. There is nothing more annoying than whiny rich folk, faux environmentalists, and those who masturbate to their own big game selfies.
If you actually listen to the man talk, he is sincere. Listened to about two hours of podcast interviews with him a while back. He is the real deal, I think. He does have some of his dad's yankee attitude, but I actually believe his heart is in the right place. If you never listen to anything but CNN's spun opinions, you would think the Trumps roast babies, worship the devil, pour mercury down storm drains, and drop bombs on baby caribou.
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Onslow on August 31, 2020, 08:52:19 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 31, 2020, 07:51:45 AM
Quote from: Onslow on August 31, 2020, 04:41:46 AM
Quote from: wildmttwalleye on August 30, 2020, 23:26:59 PMIf that douche is an 'outdoorsman' then I'm a fuckin' astronaut. Y'all are getting played and by a bunch of rich Yankees to boot.

Jr. is slightly less annoying than Meghan and Harry Markle. There is nothing more annoying than whiny rich folk, faux environmentalists, and those who masturbate to their own big game selfies.
If you actually listen to the man talk, he is sincere. Listened to about two hours of podcast interviews with him a while back. He is the real deal, I think. He does have some of his dad's yankee attitude, but I actually believe his heart is in the right place. If you never listen to anything but CNN's spun opinions, you would think the Trumps roast babies, worship the devil, pour mercury down storm drains, and drop bombs on baby caribou.

Easy there.  If the shoe fits.... 

I don't know if Jr. is a consumer of the outdoors, or if he is sincere, nor were my remarks directed at him specifically. Harry Markle in my view is the classic private jet riding global warming faux activist. Excessive posting of big game selfies on insta spam is indicative of outdoor life consumption, and privilege buffoonery.   

Do peeps still watch slandering CNN drivel? 
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 31, 2020, 11:28:21 AM
Likely we're getting bamboozled by both sides.  I don't give a rat's ass if he's an outdoorsman, and I certainly do not believe he is totally sincere. 

With the minimal of effort, anyone can research and discover.  My simple barometer is dishonesty (in today's vernacular, "alternative facts") and brainpower.  They all lie, but who is spouting the fewest lies? Admittedly it is difficult to gauge someone's intellect, but if you're the leader or servant of the so-called greatest, then you might want communication and vocabulary skills and at least some understanding of world history, geography, politics, environment, etc.  I don't feel we have an administration owning any of those talents.  Plus, I can tolerate a certain degree of dishonesty if it is expressed in an articulate and coherent manner.  If anyone thinks we are consuming those traits at present, then they are dumber than a fucking coal bucket. 

I know, the bar is low!

I can think of no one, with an IQ above challenged, that is drinking the Kool aid of CNN or Fox.

Confession:  Biased I know, but I can't trust any male with no chin.

Question for the viewers:  When has so many from a particular party campaigned against someone supposedly who is a member of their circle?  This is intriguing to me and I believe it exposes a story worth considering. 
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 31, 2020, 12:51:58 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 31, 2020, 07:51:45 AM
Quote from: Onslow on August 31, 2020, 04:41:46 AM
Quote from: wildmttwalleye on August 30, 2020, 23:26:59 PMIf that douche is an 'outdoorsman' then I'm a fuckin' astronaut. Y'all are getting played and by a bunch of rich Yankees to boot.

Jr. is slightly less annoying than Meghan and Harry Markle. There is nothing more annoying than whiny rich folk, faux environmentalists, and those who masturbate to their own big game selfies.
If you actually listen to the man talk, he is sincere. Listened to about two hours of podcast interviews with him a while back. He is the real deal, I think. He does have some of his dad's yankee attitude, but I actually believe his heart is in the right place. If you never listen to anything but CNN's spun opinions, you would think the Trumps roast babies, worship the devil, pour mercury down storm drains, and drop bombs on baby caribou.

There are semi-honest, intelligent republicans, with an acceptable amount of guile, out there.  The Trumps do not fit that bill.
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Al on August 31, 2020, 16:29:09 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 31, 2020, 11:28:21 AMQuestion for the viewers:  When has so many from a particular party campaigned against someone supposedly who is a member of their circle?  This is intriguing to me and I believe it exposes a story worth considering. 

Because he is not one of them, ie  a politician. He is not "a member of their circle". 
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 31, 2020, 16:57:24 PM
Quote from: Al on August 31, 2020, 16:29:09 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 31, 2020, 11:28:21 AMQuestion for the viewers:  When has so many from a particular party campaigned against someone supposedly who is a member of their circle?  This is intriguing to me and I believe it exposes a story worth considering. 

Because he is not one of them, ie  a politician. He is not "a member of their circle". 

If he's not in the republican circle, then why is he the Republican candidate?  I'd reason he is not in the circle of the rational, sane right.  But I'd argue he is a politician, one involved in politics and holding an elected office.

And the question was "when", not why.  I don't remember this sort of mutiny against the party's horse ever happening before.

"Elect Trump to save the country from Trump's country."
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 31, 2020, 18:02:37 PM
Politicians are all slimy, conniving, crooked bastards. None of them care about us. Some of them want to raise my taxes and disarm me. I vote for the conniving crooked bastards who don't. If BidenHarris wins, we're all fucked. Biden won't last a month before he commits Arkancide or resigns for health reasons.
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 31, 2020, 18:04:31 PM
Funny that the news won't cover Trump pushing and signing the Great American Outdoors Act,one of the best things to happen to us in a long time. If somebody else had done it, the MSM would shout it from the rooftops.
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 31, 2020, 18:08:31 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 31, 2020, 16:57:24 PM
Quote from: Al on August 31, 2020, 16:29:09 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 31, 2020, 11:28:21 AMQuestion for the viewers:  When has so many from a particular party campaigned against someone supposedly who is a member of their circle?  This is intriguing to me and I believe it exposes a story worth considering. 

Because he is not one of them, ie  a politician. He is not "a member of their circle". 

If he's not in the republican circle, then why is he the Republican candidate?  I'd reason he is not in the circle of the rational, sane right.  But I'd argue he is a politician, one involved in politics and holding an elected office.

And the question was "when", not why.  I don't remember this sort of mutiny against the party's horse ever happening before.

"Elect Trump to save the country from Trump's country."
Before Captain Trips hit, most conveniently, the country was in the best shape it's been in in a long time. Politicians don't like those who want to take away their hold over people and their money. If you want to trace who started the racial unrest, go back to Obama and Holder. They did more to set back race relations in this country than anybody since George Wallace (also a Democrat.)
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 31, 2020, 18:35:28 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 31, 2020, 18:02:37 PMIf BidenHarris wins, we're all fucked. Biden won't last a month before he commits Arkancide or resigns for health reasons.

Surely your curiosity is piqued by the possibility of a gal President.  You must admit not all the swinging units we've had leading us were a success and we dudes are responsible for all past and present world ills.  I'd like to experience a female in charge once before I depart this pandemonium.
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 01, 2020, 07:24:36 AM
This does not worry me.

http://youtu.be/coOWtTmSkDQ

Nor this one, but it does make me laugh.  It is so easy to flummox some. 

http://youtu.be/0BrHbIvqGcM

Georgie is a smart dude!

http://youtu.be/8Oa_RZHLL2c
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: troutrus on September 01, 2020, 08:20:15 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 31, 2020, 18:04:31 PMFunny that the news won't cover Trump pushing and signing the Great American Outdoors Act,one of the best things to happen to us in a long time. If somebody else had done it, the MSM would shout it from the rooftops.

Considering his overall track record on environmental protections, this is akin to shooting someone through the brain and handing them a bandaid.
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Yallerhammer on September 01, 2020, 09:21:24 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 31, 2020, 18:35:28 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 31, 2020, 18:02:37 PMIf BidenHarris wins, we're all fucked. Biden won't last a month before he commits Arkancide or resigns for health reasons.

Surely your curiosity is piqued by the possibility of a gal President.  You must admit not all the swinging units we've had leading us were a success and we dudes are responsible for all past and present world ills.  I'd like to experience a female in charge once before I depart this pandemonium.
I have nothing against a female president. But not that one. I would prefer one with some sense, morals, and reasoning ability instead of an emotional parrot.
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 01, 2020, 10:22:18 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on September 01, 2020, 09:21:24 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 31, 2020, 18:35:28 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 31, 2020, 18:02:37 PMIf BidenHarris wins, we're all fucked. Biden won't last a month before he commits Arkancide or resigns for health reasons.

Surely your curiosity is piqued by the possibility of a gal President.  You must admit not all the swinging units we've had leading us were a success and we dudes are responsible for all past and present world ills.  I'd like to experience a female in charge once before I depart this pandemonium.
I have nothing against a female president. But not that one. I would prefer one with some sense, morals, and reasoning ability instead of an emotional parrot.

Not to disparage, belittle you or belabor the issue, but does your preferences in a female Pres coincide with your likings in a male Pres?  So, Trump has "sense, morals, and reasoning ability"?  If anyone thinks 'yes', then they need to clean the frit on the probe of their YSI Wisdom/Moral/Reasoning Meter.
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Dougfish on September 01, 2020, 13:44:09 PM
Instead of a debate, let's have the candidates ride a bike for 5 miles.
I think I know who the tired, old, feeble man would turn out to be.
And it would only take a 1/2 mile. If he gets the kickstand up.
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Onslow on September 01, 2020, 18:28:38 PM
Morality begins at home with the American family. If we were serious about the environment as a whole, it would make sense to do some soul searching regarding our own consumption within our households.  The orange man, or any other POTUS cannot create and enact effective policies that would offset the effects of our county's gluttony, wasteful dining habits, our voracious appetite for cheap imported crap from China and elsewhere, horrible dietary intake, trashiness, and the breathtaking amount of drug/pill popping.

Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 01, 2020, 20:33:43 PM
Quote from: Onslow on September 01, 2020, 18:28:38 PM........ gluttony, wasteful dining habits, our voracious appetite for cheap imported crap from China and elsewhere, horrible dietary intake, trashiness, and the breathtaking amount of drug/pill popping.

Sounds like a Republican, Trump-voting household.

I'm kidding.  Peace, you trawlers of trout and rough fishes.
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Onslow on September 02, 2020, 05:01:23 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 31, 2020, 11:28:21 AMI don't feel we have an administration owning any of those talents.  Plus, I can tolerate a certain degree of dishonesty if it is expressed in an articulate and coherent manner. 

Having a leader that can complete a sentence, and can pronounce Yosemite is a plus. Sadly, the Republican party has lost its way.  Once it was a party of unmitigated aspiration, now, at least in the SE, has become the party of 'dumb as I want to be'. Dennis Rodman should be the mascot.

Meanwhile, the Democrat leadership is elitist.  The Plebeians must obey their masters.  The leaders can live a life of plenty, while the unwashed must deprive themselves, and offset the carbon footprint of the Patricians , go to public schools, live in integrated communities, while the leaders live in segregated communities, and tithe to the Southern Poverty Law Center, project, sneer, and mock those who are not squeezed from a golden uterus.

That all being said, Trump is not as dumb as many think. The politics of iron in northern Minnesota could have profound ramifications for the national election results.
Title: Re: In reversal, Trump kills huge Alaskan gold mine. Here’s why
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 24, 2020, 10:59:33 AM

https://vimeo.com/460000127

>>>A series of undercover videotapes released yesterday from the non-profit Environmental Investigation Agency reveal damning conversations between EIA investigators and executives of the companies behind the controversial Pebble Mine. The proposed project sits at the headwaters of Alaska's Bristol Bay, home to the biggest remaining wild salmon run on the planet that's the foundation of the traditional lifeways of the region's indigenous people, regularly supplies half the world's sockeye catch, and is a beloved sport fishing tourism destination.

The tapes expose the extent of Pebble Limited Partnership's and its parent company Northern Dynasty's relationships with Alaska's elected officials and political appointees at all levels of state and federal governments, and executives' assumption regarding the Alaska Congressional Delegation's willingness to quietly allow the process to proceed without stopping the project. The tapes also reveal executives' plans for a far more massive and long-lived mine than proposed in the permitting process, and Pebble's apparent plans to use the infrastructure included in its mine plan to open up other expansive swathes of western Alaska to mining.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cassidyrandall/2020/09/22/new-tapes-reveal-pebble-executives-plan-to-build-even-bigger-mine-at-headwaters-of-alaskas-bristol-bay/#4d5398a64197


The Pebble Mine Tapes
https://eia-global.org/reports/20200921-the-pebble-tapes