Bin Laden dead!!!!!!!!!!!!
And thus Obama continues to clean up Bush's mess.
You can thank Bush, Gitmo, and waterboarding for the intel that let to his death!
Quote from: troutrus on May 02, 2011, 06:22:47 AM
And thus Obama continues to clean up Bush's mess.
I am not going to start a political pissing contest. Bush may have not been a popular president, but I hardly think Obama is the reason Bin Laden was killed. Like Woolly said, it stemmed from the Bush era! Nuff said ! The rat bastard is dead 'c;
Leave it to the SEALS to take him out! -0-
Quote from: troutrus on May 02, 2011, 06:22:47 AM
Bin Laden dead!!!!!!!!!!!!
And thus Obama continues to clean up Bush's mess.
I think you mean Clinton's mess. Clinton was given intel on Obama and refused to take him out. This allowed the planning of 9/11.
Not only did our own intel track Bib Laden but Arab Muslims working with the the Clinton Administration brought them many opportunities that were refused.
I think the guy that has the first shot but fails is more to blame.
According the findings of the 911 Commission reported by NBC News (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/ns/nightly_news/), it was Clinton that failed first:
"NBC News has obtained, exclusively, extraordinary secret video, shot by the U.S. government.
It illustrates an enormous opportunity the Clinton administration had to kill or capture bin Laden. Critics call it a missed opportunity.In the fall of 2000, in Afghanistan, unmanned, unarmed spy planes called Predators flew over known al-Qaida training camps. The pictures that were transmitted live to CIA headquarters show al-Qaida terrorists firing at targets, conducting military drills and then scattering on cue through the desert.
Also, that fall, the Predator captured even more extraordinary pictures — a tall figure in flowing white robes. Many intelligence analysts believed then and now it is bin Laden.
Why does U.S. intelligence believe it was bin Laden? NBC showed the video to William Arkin, a former intelligence officer and now military analyst for NBC. "You see a tall man.... You see him surrounded by or at least protected by a group of guards."
Bin Laden is 6 foot 5. The man in the video clearly towers over those around him and seems to be treated with great deference.
Another clue: The video was shot at Tarnak Farm, the walled compound where bin Laden is known to live. The layout of the buildings in the Predator video perfectly matches secret U.S. intelligence photos and diagrams of Tarnak Farm obtained by NBC.
"It's dynamite. It's putting together all of the pieces, and that doesn't happen every day.... I guess you could say we've done it once, and this is it," Arkin added.
The tape proves the Clinton administration was aggressively tracking al-Qaida a year before 9/11. But that also raises one enormous question: If the U.S. government had bin Laden and the camps in its sights in real time, why was no action taken against them?A Democratic member of the 9/11 commission says there was a larger issue: The Clinton administration treated bin Laden as a law enforcement problem.
One Clinton Cabinet official said, looking back, the military should have been more involved, "We did a lot, but we did not see the gathering storm that was out there."According to the LA Times (http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm) article of December 5, 2001.
This is the testimony of an American Muslim and Supporter of Clinton with inside information on the Clinton Administration hunt for Bin Laden before 911.
Read the entire article. It will P*SS YOU OFF.
"President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.
I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.
From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief.
The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening.
The offer, which would have brought Bin Laden to the Arab country as the first step of an extradition process that would eventually deliver him to the U.S., required only that Clinton make a state visit there to personally request Bin Laden's extradition. But senior Clinton officials sabotaged the offer, letting it get caught up in internal politics within the ruling family--Clintonian diplomacy at its best.
Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history."
I think Clinton's failure was immense in leading up to 911.
Quote from: Silver Creek on May 02, 2011, 09:40:29 AM
I think you mean Clinton's mess. Clinton was given intel on Obama and refused to take him out.
I bet Hillary is pissed about that missed opportunity.
Glad he is gone, but I sure would like to have seen them pics for proof.
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on May 02, 2011, 07:00:05 AM
You can thank Bush, Gitmo, and waterboarding for the intel that let to his death!
Actually, according to the reports and the President himself, the intelligence that located bin Laden was discovered in August of 2010, long after the days of Bush and waterboarding, so let's get that straight. ;)
I'm in no way saying that Obama is the man responsible for bin Laden's death (we need to thank our nameless intelligence and counter-terrorism servicemen for that), but I think trying to shift the credit to Bush is not only unfair, but also inconsistent with the facts.
I'm proud of our country today, and I'm also proud of how Obama handles himself and raises the level of discourse during some of the most difficult years our country has faced in decades. Nuff said.
Quote from: troutfreak on May 02, 2011, 09:53:32 AM
Glad he is gone, but I sure would like to have seen them pics for proof.
Does anyone know what they did with the body?
Another interesting thought is Adolf Hitler was announced dead on May 1st 1945. A little ironic if you ask me..... I love it!
Quote from: surftheearth on May 02, 2011, 09:55:42 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on May 02, 2011, 07:00:05 AM
You can thank Bush, Gitmo, and waterboarding for the intel that let to his death!
Actually, according to the reports and the President himself, the intelligence that located bin Laden was discovered in August of 2010, long after the days of Bush and waterboarding, so let's get that straight. ;)
I don't think that is correct. I think the original intel on bin Laden's couriers was obtained during Bush's term during waterboarding.
Correct me if I am mistaken but GW Bush was in office 4 years ago. Waterboarding was ended 2 years ago in January 2009 by President Obama, well after the two couriers' names were discovered presumably by waterboarding.
According to the Liberal Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/01/osama-bin-laden-dead-killed_n_856091.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/01/osama-bin-laden-dead-killed_n_856091.html)
"This man was one of the few al Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden," one senior administration official said. "They indicated he might be living with and protecting bin Laden. But for years we were unable to identify his true name or his location.
Four years ago we uncovered his identity... About two years ago, after months of persistent effort, we identified areas of Pakistan where the courier and his brother operated. Still, we were unable to pinpoint exactly where they lived due to extensive operational security on their part. The fact that they were being so careful reinforced our belief that we were on the right track."
I think the value of Guantanamo is obvious since the closure of the Guantanamo prison is a promise that Obama has reneged on. He has also reversed himself on Military Tribunals for the prisoners in Guantanamo.
Quote from: Big J on May 02, 2011, 10:21:00 AM
Does anyone know what they did with the body?
Body was buried at sea to prevent a bin Laden Shrine. He is fish food.
Glad to see they got him.
Definitely lost big time in this match:
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Wow...politicized bin Laden's death already?!?!? TroutrUs wins a cookie!
has anyone seen the body.................................
Quote from: Silver Creek on May 02, 2011, 09:40:29 AM
I think you mean Clinton's mess. Clinton was given intel on Obama and refused to take him out.
So theres two democratic presidents to blame for the freakin mess we're in.....Obama for running this country into the shitter.....and Clinton for not fucking taking him out when he could have.....what a shame! ::)
( I know I said I was going to avoid politics.....but this was just too easy)
...well, back to fightin' the Taliban.
Quote from: Silver Creek on May 02, 2011, 09:40:29 AM
Quote from: troutrus on May 02, 2011, 06:22:47 AM
Bin Laden dead!!!!!!!!!!!!
And thus Obama continues to clean up Bush's mess.
I think you mean Clinton's mess. Clinton was given intel on Obama and refused to take him out. This allowed the planning of 9/11.
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I'm with you on that Silver. I was just trying to get a rise out of these guys. Not very difficult as you can see. :o I personally don't care who gets the notch in their belt, as long as the prick is dead. Just a shame they didn't get him alive so they could torture him. ;D
If you really like pointing the finger though, you need to go back about a decade before Clinton to see who bankrolled Bin Laden with taxpayer money, which enabled him to develop into the raging maniac that he became. Hint, presidents' initials are JC & RR. see "operation cyclone".
Edited so as not to slight the Jimmy Carter fans.
Very Hopeful of this but at the same time VERY SKEPTICAL. A lot of questions still out there on this one.
Quote from: troutrus on May 02, 2011, 12:56:51 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek on May 02, 2011, 09:40:29 AM
Quote from: troutrus on May 02, 2011, 06:22:47 AM
Bin Laden dead!!!!!!!!!!!!
And thus Obama continues to clean up Bush's mess.
I think you mean Clinton's mess. Clinton was given intel on Obama and refused to take him out. This allowed the planning of 9/11.
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I'm with you on that Silver. I was just trying to get a rise out of these guys. Not very difficult as you can see. :o I personally don't care who gets the notch in their belt, as long as the prick is dead. Just a shame they didn't get him alive so they could torture him. ;D
If you really like pointing the finger though, you need to go back about a decade before Clinton to see who bankrolled Bin Laden with taxpayer money, which enabled him to develop into the raging maniac that he became. Hint, president's initials are RR. see "operation cyclone".
You are the master puppeteer. bd;0 bd;0 bd;0
Quote from: troutrus on May 02, 2011, 06:22:47 AM
Bin Laden dead!!!!!!!!!!!!
And thus Obama continues to clean up Bush's mess.
One moose-limb gone........
Another one in 2012................
Na na na naH....hey hey hey goooooooood byyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeee........
Identity of bin Laden was confirmed by DNA according to reports.
I think every can have their own set of opinions, but when someone posts their own set of incorrect facts, well that's like putting a steak in front of a pit bull.
I read Lone Survivor (http://www.amazon.com/Lone-Survivor-Eyewitness-Account-Operation/dp/0316067598) by Marcus Lutrell. I recommend it to anyone who wants to know what risks these guys take.
Because of the rules of engagement forbid his team from harming suspected unconfirmed enemy informers, every one of his 4 man seal sniper team died except Marcus. Plus 8 others of members of Seal Team 10 and 8 special ops soldiers who tried to rescue Marcus' team were also killed. It was the worse seal team disaster in history.
The other 11 members of Seal Team 10 and 8 special ops soldiers killed because Marcus followed the rules. Marcus now says, he should have killed the informers and gone to prison to save his team.
There is a price these warriors pay when we send them out with orders that put them in jeopardy.
You can read about Marcus Lutrell and Seal Team 10's Mission here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Luttrell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Luttrell)
BTW, Marcus has twin brother, Morgan, who is also a Navy Seal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPLCKdI_fs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPLCKdI_fs#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQR_VRKtkYQ#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQR_VRKtkYQ#noexternalembed)
I have not, did not, and will not inject politics into this thread. I'm just glad that Bin Laden has been taken out.
I'll also not say anything bad about Special Forces. They usually do their jobs superbly when called upon. That's a high-risk job, for sure.
You would think Marcus had suffered enough for his country. Marcus was given a therapy dog. It was shot and killed by joyriding idiots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRHTJyuXzhQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRHTJyuXzhQ#)
Quote from: troutrus on May 02, 2011, 06:22:47 AM
Bin Laden dead!!!!!!!!!!!!
And thus Obama continues to clean up Bush's mess.
Good point Tootsie!
I think Oabma deserves another "Nobel peace prize" for this action.
I hear you don't even have to show up in Norway these days......
Now you can just bid for them on E-bay!!!!!!!!!
10% discount if you pay with
Obamy bucks for a limited time only while supplies last,
Please limit to 10 awards per order.
Good day for America for sure. 'c; 'c; 'c;
Does grate me a bit that Mr O. never seems to include "We" in his vocabulary. It is always "I decided this", I directed that". He obviously never attended any leadership courses where they talked about team work and sharing.
This article cracks me up. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/2/miller-obama-golfs-while-troops-risk-lives/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/2/miller-obama-golfs-while-troops-risk-lives/)
It's done. BUT, who REALLY thinks this changes ANYTHING? So Bin Laden himself was running worldwide terrorism by his self? Whatever....... b';
Kudos to all our special ops and soldiers for doing anything, anywhere,anytime and sacrificing EVERYTHING for our country so we can sit around and argue about who did this and who did that.
Cant say what I really think. BIG BROTHER is watching us more than Osama
Quote from: Leedawg on May 03, 2011, 08:56:03 AM
It's done. BUT, who REALLY thinks this changes ANYTHING? So Bin Laden himself was running worldwide terrorism by his self? Whatever....... b';
I respectfully disagree. It changes a lot.
Here are just 5 of the ways the death of bin Laden has changed the perception of the USA worldwide, our relationship with Pakistan, and the War on Terror
1. Obama has set a schedule for US troops to get out of Afghanistan. Our key reason to get into Afghanistan was to kill/capture Osama bin Laden. For our troops to leave WITHOUT killing him would be a huge "L" on the forehead of America. Now we can leave with that mission accomplished.
2. Osama's compound was 1000 feet from the "West Point of Pakistan". It points out to me the complicity of Pakistan's leadership in hiding him. It has changed the debate on aid to Pakistan with calls to cut off the billions of dollars we give their government.
3. There can be no shrine to Osama. He sleeps with the fishes.
4. It increases the risk of terrorism in the short term.
5. It now places the focus on Ayman Al Zawahiri, the #2 in Al Qaeda. All the resources that were on bin Laden are now on Al Zawahiri.
Agree with the congrats to the Navy Seals, and also to Obama for making the difficult call to use our troops instead of bombs so we can prove we killed Osama.
Noted points. Why were we in Iraq, then Afghanistan, then he is killed in Pakistan? You really think our intel is that bad? Been plenty pf pictures took of Laden since 9/11. If I'm not mistaken there are crosshairs and a trigger on a camera as well?
It's all politics and media. In the end, the downfall of a great nation.
You really think ALL our troops are coming home? Think killing Bin Laden was our "mission"? "Combat" troops maybe. But a couple of people on this board can tell you that being a "peace keeping" troop sucks even worse. You have to call for permission to shoot back. Soldiers get prosecuted for murder for protecting themselves and their comrades. BS
As far as the money goes. I can't even comment without going off the deep end. Sorry.
I usually agree with your points, but on this one, we can agree to disagree. That is one of the many reasons I love MY COUNTRY and PROUDLY served it. 0:0
Thank you for your service to our country. I also served in the US Army reserves during the Vietnam era but never was deployed so I certainly can not understand what you went through.
I agree with views on the restrictions placed on our troops. I think My Lai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre) had a lot to do with that. There were no such restrictions during WWII. See my comments on Seal Team 10 that I made earlier on how restrictions places our soldiers at great risk.
I think there is always the trap of second guessing what we have done. Political decisions are made in real time with incomplete knowledge. I don't understand the point you are making with the following comment. Can you explain what you mean?
"Why were we in Iraq, then Afghanistan, then he is killed in Pakistan? You really think our intel is that bad? Been plenty pf pictures took of Laden since 9/11. If I'm not mistaken there are crosshairs and a trigger on a camera as well? "
I meant they could have took him many years ago if they wanted to.
Quote from: Leedawg on May 03, 2011, 11:45:07 AM
I meant they could have took him many years ago if they wanted to.
Agree on that. They could have from 1996 to 1998 in Africa but decided not to. And they missed with a cruise missile attack on an Al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan in 1998. Then another missed opportunity in 2000. I mentioned those in a prior post also.
I also forgot to add that the 911 families now have some sense of closure. So it is about getting some justice for them.
If you think about it, some prisoners sit on death row a lot longer than it took to find and kill bin Laden. What that says about justice, I leave up to you.
Agreed
This just came to my email box - Seems appropriate.
Quote from: Silver Creek on May 03, 2011, 13:56:52 PM
If you think about it, some prisoners sit on death row a lot longer than it took to find and kill bin Laden. What that says about justice, I leave up to you.
Thank God we didn't take him alive. I don't even want to think about the circus that would have ensued if we were to have put him on trial.
Frankly, I doubt we had any intention of taking him alive even though the official version of events suggests we tried to. A very neat and tidy way to finish the thing once and for all. Hats off to the administration for having the balls to attempt the operation and to the people who pulled it off. 'c; 'c;
Quote from: Flatlander on May 03, 2011, 15:57:53 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek on May 03, 2011, 13:56:52 PM
If you think about it, some prisoners sit on death row a lot longer than it took to find and kill bin Laden. What that says about justice, I leave up to you.
Thank God we didn't take him alive. I don't even want to think about the circus that would have ensued if we were to have put him on trial.
Frankly, I doubt we had any intention of taking him alive even though the official version of events suggests we tried to. A very neat and tidy way to finish the thing once and for all. Hats off to the administration for having the balls to attempt the operation and to the people who pulled it off. 'c; 'c;
For once we agree, Flatlander. Imagine that. :o
Quote from: Phil on May 03, 2011, 16:37:44 PM
Quote from: Flatlander on May 03, 2011, 15:57:53 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek on May 03, 2011, 13:56:52 PM
If you think about it, some prisoners sit on death row a lot longer than it took to find and kill bin Laden. What that says about justice, I leave up to you.
Thank God we didn't take him alive. I don't even want to think about the circus that would have ensued if we were to have put him on trial.
Frankly, I doubt we had any intention of taking him alive even though the official version of events suggests we tried to. A very neat and tidy way to finish the thing once and for all. Hats off to the administration for having the balls to attempt the operation and to the people who pulled it off. 'c; 'c;
For once we agree, Flatlander. Imagine that. :o
LOL...well Phil, I hope it's not a sign of the apocalypse ;D
Off topic but on target for our interests, read the article on the current fight for clean water regulations from the link below, this is a real issue to fishermen and those that enjoy drinking clean water when beer is not an option.
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/04/15/15greenwire-oil-industry-threatens-obama-admin-over-clean-96759.html (http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/04/15/15greenwire-oil-industry-threatens-obama-admin-over-clean-96759.html)
Oh ya, good to see that bearded fcuk is dead.
Quote from: Flatlander on May 03, 2011, 15:57:53 PM
Quote from: Silver Creek on May 03, 2011, 13:56:52 PM
If you think about it, some prisoners sit on death row a lot longer than it took to find and kill bin Laden. What that says about justice, I leave up to you.
Thank God we didn't take him alive. I don't even want to think about the circus that would have ensued if we were to have put him on trial.
Now that "enhanced" interrogation is illegal, we would have had to interrogate him using harsh language. Maybe we could have called him bad names.