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Title: Are you being watched?
Post by: Trout Maharishi on January 31, 2007, 18:05:25 PM
Ever feel like you're being watched while you're fishing, you may be :o

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/16556404.htm
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: troutphisher on January 31, 2007, 18:40:54 PM
Maybe it was Huey P. Newton, reincarnated with four legs and a tail?  8)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Bloy on January 31, 2007, 18:57:36 PM


:o  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o   :o  :o  :o
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: lepomis_mcro on January 31, 2007, 21:36:14 PM
awww they left out the part that i read on another news site..where someone said it was just a larger river otter ;)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Trout Maharishi on January 31, 2007, 21:42:58 PM
"Black panthers are not native to the southeastern United States, meaning Fletcher might have seen a river otter or a bobcat, state wildlife officials in Georgia and South Carolina said."

It was in the article, cause I laughed when I read it. Who in the hell couldn't tell a large cat from and otter :P
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: calebB on January 31, 2007, 21:44:14 PM
You would think a forester would know a little about what he's looking at.  Its not like its some city slicker that can't tell a deer from an elk. :P  If it was real, someone probably let it go.  Sure seems like a lot of reports like this come up over the years.  Remember the big thread on cats on SEFFF?  Can't wait till someone actually gets a picture of one for the officials to see and believe. >:D
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 01, 2007, 10:39:51 AM
maybe it was bigfoot? Would take a whole lot of animal to make me go for a swim this time of the year...

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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Bloy on February 01, 2007, 13:39:53 PM
Is that the picture after the swim?    ;D
Barry
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Bloy on February 01, 2007, 13:42:18 PM
Frost bite must of really hit the 'ole boy quite hard.  :-X :-X
Barry
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Gofisher on February 01, 2007, 14:18:22 PM
He should have just turned around and spit in the cat's eye. That would have taken care of him.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Trout Maharishi on February 04, 2007, 11:29:05 AM
That cat would have half your leg chewed off before you woke up from your campfire nap ;D
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Psycho_Fisher on February 05, 2007, 18:21:42 PM
SOOOOOOOOOO many conflicting reports....

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0507_030507_cougars.html

http://www.fws.gov/endangered/i/a/saa48.html

http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?show=localnews&pnpID=592&NewsID=620529&CategoryID=4088&on=1

https://www.uu.edu/forms/cougars/sightings.cfm

But I know they're really here!  :o
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Stuart R. on February 05, 2007, 20:06:36 PM
There are supposed to be several cougars around here in SW VA. I have a good friend that is a deacon in my church that swears he seen one right in town drinking from the river. It was a bad drought year and that could explain it being closer to civilization. I watched 10 most dangerous cats on the discov. channel. The cougar was I think #3 or 4, but the house cat was #1, NO JOKE. They were ranking them on the species that they have been known to kill. I have heard lots of other sightings around here. The sighting are usually blamed to be bobcats but who knows? I was in the mtns at a brookie stream and think I sae what could have been a cougar track but not sure. Way to big to be a bobcat so I don't know what is was. Bad place to see one by myself and in a nearly canopied trail. That thing would have me before I knew it!

STU
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: calebB on February 06, 2007, 13:35:08 PM
Check out this info I copied from the Eastern Cougar Foundation's website. 

QuoteCONFIRMATIONS
The ECF accepts only written documentation from reputable sources to confirm field evidence of cougar presence in the East. In 2000, several ECF officers and Board members wrote and presented a paper listing twelve confirmations by type of evidence at the 6th Mountain Lion Workshop. This series of Mountain Lion Workshops is the official forum for academic scientists and state and federal wildlife biologists concerned with management of cougars in both North and South America. Our paper was the first presentation of scientific evidence of cougars in the east. Since then, additional confirmations are as follows, by type of evidence:

Body or body part:
13. KY kitten. In June, 1997, a man driving a pickup truck hit and killed an eight pound spotted female cougar kitten on Highway 850 in western Floyd County, KY. He said he also noticed a larger and a smaller shape, most likely the kitten's mother and sibling, because the kitten was still too young to be out on her own. The driver took the body to the Kentucky Department of Game & Fish, which froze it. When the kitten was analyzed, she was found to have all her claws intact, with no tattoos, tags, collars or other indication of captivity. DNA analysis indicated that the kitten's maternal ancestry included genes from South America, pointing to the pet trade (South American cougars are popular in the cougar pet trade), but paternal ancestry was shown to be North American.


This kitten is important for several reasons: she was a highway fatality, and biologists claim that if cougars were present in any numbers some would get hit by cars; she indicates that reproduction is going on in the wild; and she exemplifies the mixing of cougars from various origins that is probably occurring in the eastern woods. An April 20, 2001 letter from Steve Thomas, Wildlife biologist, KY Dept. of Fish and Wildlife Resources to Chris Bolgiano, ECF vp, confirms the above information.
14. Ontario bite. The Ottawa Citizen of August 15, 2001, in a story written by Matthew Sekeres, reported that David Wood, a resident near Cornwall, went outside around 1 a.m. on the night of Aug. 4 in response to the barking of his brother's dog. Mr. Wood said that he noticed the top of a tail near a goat pen and came within one metre before an animal lunged at him. He protected his face with his forearm, which was bitten. He kicked the animal, which disappeared before Mr. Wood got a good look at it, but the next day around 7 p.m. he said he saw a cougar crouching in roughly the same spot near the goat pen.

Dr. Lee Fitzhugh, Wildlife Enhancement Specialist, Dept. of Wildlife, Fish, and Conservation Biology at the University of CA at Davis, analyzed the position of the teeth from photos of the bite and determined that the bite matched that of a cougar.

This is the first confirmed cougar attack in the East since 1751.

Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: rbphoto on November 21, 2013, 09:39:02 AM
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http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/12/cougars/spreading-east-map (http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/12/cougars/spreading-east-map)

Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 21, 2013, 10:07:35 AM
Interesting map – thanks for posting.  I hope they get here quick (within the next ~ 20 years).  I'd give my next paycheck to see one before I pass.  I know, I could smoke, drink, inject, or swallow whatever substance those are abusing, those that supposedly have seen a mountain lion or lions here in the Appalachians.  But, I would very much favor that my sighting be real.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on November 21, 2013, 10:13:05 AM
Cool map.  Thanks for sharing.  Cougars and grizzlies are two things that give me the heebie-jeebies. 

FWIW, I think that one marked in GA, which is just north of where I grew up, was determined to be captive raised after a hunter killed it and it was thoroughly examined.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 21, 2013, 14:23:55 PM
Fun reads.

http://cougarrewilding.org/CougarNews/?p=6287 (http://cougarrewilding.org/CougarNews/?p=6287)

http://www.easterncougar.org/pdfs/ecw_mon_camera04.pdf (http://www.easterncougar.org/pdfs/ecw_mon_camera04.pdf)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Big J on November 21, 2013, 15:00:48 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on November 21, 2013, 14:23:55 PM


http://www.easterncougar.org/pdfs/ecw_mon_camera04.pdf (http://www.easterncougar.org/pdfs/ecw_mon_camera04.pdf)

I enjoyed reading this study.  Surprised they got that project funded too.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on November 21, 2013, 15:28:48 PM
Quote from: Big J on November 21, 2013, 15:00:48 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on November 21, 2013, 14:23:55 PM


http://www.easterncougar.org/pdfs/ecw_mon_camera04.pdf (http://www.easterncougar.org/pdfs/ecw_mon_camera04.pdf)

I enjoyed reading this study.  Surprised they got that project funded too.

It is cover up I tell you!  I have cougars in my yard every night.  I can hear them calling each other.   They hunt in packs.   There are at least 2 alpha males and a harem of at least 40 females.  I'd estimate the largest male to be at 400 pounds. 
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Native Fisher on November 21, 2013, 16:11:21 PM
Quote from: benben on November 21, 2013, 15:28:48 PM
It is cover up I tell you!  I have cougars in my yard every night.  I can hear them calling each other.   They hunt in packs.   There are at least 2 alpha males and a harem of at least 40 females.  I'd estimate the largest male to be at 400 pounds.

You have been brewing up and drinking some good chit then.  0:0
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: 5xTippett on November 21, 2013, 16:13:04 PM
I have seen two in my life, but only one in broad daylight.  I was in Georgetown County years ago  showing my wife an old plantation that had been in the family of a friend of mine for years.  It was about to be sold and I wanted to show it to my wife before it was made into a bunch of golf courses, which was exactly what happened to it.  We were riding down a small dirt road with a field on one side and a canal on the other.  I saw something squat down beside a bush on the edge of a field.  I figured it was a cat because of the way it flattened down, but I was expecting a bobcat.  When we got close the cat jumped up and ran down the road right in front of us until the canal got small enough he could jump it.  I asked my wife what she saw and she looked at me like I was nuts.  She said " I saw the same thing you did,  a big long tailed cat" .  I said great.  Just so you know, the wildlife department will laugh at you.  Through the years I have talked to a bunch of people who have seen one.  The majority of them spend more time in the woods and have shot more stuff  than most wildlife biologists.  I would trust them over a desk bound biologist anytime.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 21, 2013, 17:12:12 PM
Nub...I've seen em' twice too.   All the liberals ought to have heard the piece on NPR just a week or so ago about Fla panthers. It was said they can have a range of about 300 miles....and I forgot the exact numbers but it was something like 45 have been hit by cars this year and about the same the previous year. If alligators can find thier way as far north as our place....I'm sure a big cat could too. I blame thier migration on global warming.  d:b
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 21, 2013, 17:32:13 PM
I've had multiple acquaintances, some who are friends, some who are relatives, some who are questionable wingnuts, that are 100% sure they have seen a mountain lion.  I can honestly say I don't believe any on them.  Oh, I believe they saw something, BUT not a mountain lion.  Not one of these acquaintances spends that much time in the woods – I mean real time - walking, observing, hunting, cruising timber, etc.  The folks that spend this kind of extended stints in the remotest parts of the Appalachians have never revealed, to me, that they have seen anything resembling a lion.  Perhaps they have that trained search image to distinguish what is real and what is not. 

Ben, you are even more of a paradox than I thought.  On the Smith River study, you were resolute in your belief that Scott's study (results of biologist's efforts) and data were the answer, and jumped on that bandwagon quicker than a seventeen year old ejaculating on prom night.  Now, you dismiss biologists that have investigated the eastern cougar and incorrectly assume they are "desk bound".  You are a piece of work.  I can understand why the wildlife sector laughs; I've laughed at every one of those friends, relatives, and wingnuts mentioned above.  To quote Richard Feynman, "The highest forms of understanding we can achieve are laughter and human compassion."  I laughed at and sympathized with, equally, those that think they've seen imaginary critters.

Hang in there big guy; there will be a time when, hopefully, the mountain lions will make it back to the eastern crags and hollows.  I hope we're both around to see the real thing. 
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 21, 2013, 17:58:37 PM
Mudwall  while I'm sure you have the ability to read and comprehend....maybe that ability just isn't as good in your elder years,   Ben never said he saw a cougar.....he said he saw a long tailed cat. A "long tailed cat" could include a panther. Do you argue the existance of native panthers in Fla.....or do you argue thier ability to travel several hundred miles?  Or are you just being a dickhead and trying to get under his skin?
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 21, 2013, 18:26:00 PM
I thought cougar, mountain lion, puma, and catamount were all the same, and the Florida panther was an endangered subspecies.  Am I mistaken? 

I believe they can travel several hundred miles, like that one that ended up in New England, leaving scat, prints, and other evidence along his travels.  What is your point?

My bad, I believe Ben saw a "long tailed cat".  I've seen hundreds, maybe even thousands, of long tailed cats.  In fact I had 3 that lived indoors with me for many years.

I wasn't trying to get under Ben's skin or under any other part of his form.  I was being honest.  I don't believe him or you, when it comes to the sightings.  But the fact that I don't is neither here nor there.  Don't take it personally; there is a bunch of stuff that I don't believe.  For example, when the Mrs. tells me I am as striking and sexy as the day we met, I darned sure know she is yarning.

Peace.  I wish all of you happy cat watching.   
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 21, 2013, 18:32:55 PM
A little reading about the fla. panther  (which really is the same as a cougar....but we'll use the term panther for clarity so Mudwall does'nt get all confused)

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/dec/11/latest-florida-panther-death-collier-annual-record/ (http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/dec/11/latest-florida-panther-death-collier-annual-record/)


If one has made it to central Ga....I'd be hard pressed to doubt that one could also make it to eastern SC  since geographically they are roughly about the same in latitude.  They can guess there are between 100 and 160 and that they are all on the southern tip of fla....but the article clearly says that one was shot in central Ga and another hit along a highway east of Orlando neither of which is the southern tip of fla.

the cats travel...and pretty damn far. How many of them are there still??  I don't know, but I'm guessing more than thier calculations.

How many years did we hear that there were'nt any smallmouth in the Savannah?  Guess thats still a myth.

I thought I was crazy years back when I told a buddy I could have sworn I saw a big trout in the shoals area of the Savannah......I mean come on...a trout in the Savannah??   he later told me he had  done a little research and found out that there had ben like 17,000 trout stocked in the Savannah and was told the primary reason that they did not continue it was because there was not enough interest in fishing for them by the public.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 21, 2013, 18:48:16 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on November 21, 2013, 18:26:00 PM
I thought cougar, mountain lion, puma, and catamount were all the same, and the Florida panther was an endangered subspecies.  Am I mistaken? 


Endangered not extinct. 

Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on November 21, 2013, 18:26:00 PM
I believe they can travel several hundred miles, like that one that ended up in New England, leaving scat, prints, and other evidence along his travels.  What is your point?


point is if they have evidence of them as far north as  Orlando and even central Ga.   why is it so laughable that they might be in parts of SC ?

just for reference I'm 390 miles due north of Orlando.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on November 21, 2013, 20:02:05 PM
That one shot in west central Georgia was evidenced to be a captive raised cougar.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: 5xTippett on November 21, 2013, 21:25:32 PM
Mud, the difference between a fisheries biologist and a game biologist is that a fisheries biologist over a river can shock the river.  Therefore he knows what is in his river.  This is why I believe Scott when he tells me what is in the Smith.  A wildlife biologist unless you know something I don't know, can't shock the woods.  Therefore I am more inclined to listen to hunters than I am to game biologists.  I am quite delighted that you don't believe me about what I saw.  It confirms that I was right.  By the way I am a member of a club here in my hometown comprised of hunters and fisherman.  At my table tonight there were 3 people who had seen black cougars, panthers or what ever you want to call them.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 21, 2013, 22:00:54 PM
Quote from: 5xTippett on November 21, 2013, 21:25:32 PM
Mud, the difference between a fisheries biologist and a game biologist is that a fisheries biologist over a river can shock the river.  Therefore he knows what is in his river.  This is why I believe Scott when he tells me what is in the Smith.  A wildlife biologist unless you know something I don't know, can't shock the woods.  Therefore I am more inclined to listen to hunters than I am to game biologists.  I am quite delighted that you don't believe me about what I saw.  It confirms that I was right.  By the way I am a member of a club here in my hometown comprised of hunters and fisherman.  At my table tonight there were 3 people who had seen black cougars, panthers or what ever you want to call them.

You're not saying that wildlife biologists fail to sample critters of interest, small and large, are you?   There is a plethora of techniques, ranging from the simple (recording wildlife-vehicle collisions) to the very complex (capture, GPS collaring, etc.), many comparable to shocking (often much more efficient than shocking lotic systems).  Trust me, any wildlife biologist worth their salt knows their wildlife assemblages.  In fact, understanding the terrestrial stuff is vastly easier than getting a handle on what is going on in the black box of an aquatic environment. 

Well, I just added 3 more people that I don't believe.  I don't need their names; I'll call them Larry, Moe, and Curly.   
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 21, 2013, 23:10:36 PM
Nub...some folks belive that we developed from single cell organisms over millions of years...but they can't belive a few cats migrated several hundred miles.

Some people believe that cows fart so much that they are melting the polar ice caps, causing the oceans to rise and therefore are responsible for earthquakes.....but they could'nt belive that a few cats migrated several hundred miles.

In fact some people believe it is a grand idea to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a website to get a few thousand to sign up for some bullshit insurance.....and yet, they think you're a fool for believing that you saw an animal that has'nt been known to have populated the area for what...a few decades? 

there are no cougars....never have been ....never will be. They are a myth....you have no proof!
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 21, 2013, 23:35:52 PM
Quote from: benben on November 21, 2013, 20:02:05 PM
That one shot in west central Georgia was evidenced to be a captive raised cougar.

So does that mean it did'nt exist ?
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: snagaluffaguss on November 21, 2013, 23:37:30 PM
Ben and OB you are obviously men of faith. You choose to believe and that is enough.

You must forgive Mud as he is a man of science. If it can't be measured it does not exist.  And conclusions must be based upon evidence untill the appearance of new and/or contrary evidence.

Also he has openly stated that the chasing of pussy is a grand waste of time.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 22, 2013, 06:32:55 AM
Quote from: snagaluffaguss on November 21, 2013, 23:37:30 PM
Also he has openly stated that the chasing of pussy is a grand waste of time.

Very true!  Chasing pu**y of any color is a waste of time, particularly when it doesn't exist in your neck of the woods.  Sure, a pu**y can migrate many miles, but it is guaranteed to leave some sign and stench.

Not only are you guys seeing panthers, you are seeing black panthers.  I don't think total melanism has ever been confirmed in U.S. cougars/panthers/mountain lions.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on November 22, 2013, 07:29:19 AM
Quote from: overbrook on November 21, 2013, 23:35:52 PM
Quote from: benben on November 21, 2013, 20:02:05 PM
That one shot in west central Georgia was evidenced to be a captive raised cougar.

So does that mean it did'nt exist ?

A hunter did shoot a cougar in west central Georgia, that cannot be denied, the cougar was not a wild cougar.  Equate it to catching a stocker.  It still is a trout, but it sure as shit ain't a wild fish.

Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: The Dude on November 22, 2013, 08:23:00 AM
Hard scientific proof.  Take THAT, doubters!

http://youtu.be/Vy_9G2lVXwU (http://youtu.be/Vy_9G2lVXwU)

I won't lie, I used to love this show.....even saw the movie in theaters.

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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on November 22, 2013, 08:31:02 AM
Quote from: The Dude on November 22, 2013, 08:23:00 AM
http://youtu.be/Vy_9G2lVXwU (http://youtu.be/Vy_9G2lVXwU)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Tom.  Gotta love him.


Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: snagaluffaguss on November 22, 2013, 08:45:04 AM
Quote from: The Dude on November 22, 2013, 08:23:00 AM
http://youtu.be/Vy_9G2lVXwU (http://youtu.be/Vy_9G2lVXwU)


FTG!!!!

And his damn Sasquatch
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 22, 2013, 09:01:44 AM
Quote from: benben on November 22, 2013, 07:29:19 AM
A hunter did shoot a cougar in west central Georgia, that cannot be denied, the cougar was not a wild cougar.  Equate it to catching a stocker.  It still is a trout, but it sure as shit ain't a wild fish.

Again, what happened to that GA cougar?  The same thing happened to the Milford, Connecticut lion.  It was killed, dead as a stone.  Sure these critters migrate, and as I said earlier I hope their migration hits Hudson high, and they get here quick.

I think that Connecticut kitty left a trail a blind person could follow.  And I am sure those FL panthers would migrate north (ain't but so many directions they can go), leaving a trajectory of sightings and sign.

What are the chances of an individual seeing one, much less two, of these immigrants?

With all the multiple reported sightings in certain areas of the east, why have there not been more killings?  From vehicles?  By Bubba and his rifle, wanting to silence peckerheads like me?   

Why no reliable photos, or real sign?
   
Why no treed cougars by bear hunters?

When I see real evidence (and it'll take a more than contemporary prototype reported sightings) I will be elated!  I will admit my cynicism was off-base and I am full of sh*t.   And I'll be green eyed with envy until I see one in the wild. 
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Michael Toris on November 22, 2013, 09:37:27 AM
While monitoring this thread,  a few things have became evident:

1. Some of you all have some high quality dope if you are seeing BLACK panthers in the wild. This color phase has never been documented in the cougar/puma/thing.

Yes, I have heard the tails myself; apparently,  one was spotted behind my childhood home (which I spent almost everyday playing/hunting/fishing at) by a dude who built a cabin on it. He was from Raighleh and spent about 10 days per year there for approximately 3 years until he sold it and moved back to the city. Nah brah, you didn't see shit; you were drunk (he enjoyed his spirts)

2. Some of you put way too much stock in electrofishing. I shocked a stream 10-15 times before I found a single brook trout during my grad work. I learned they were running from me when they felt the current and I would have to bullrush them in order to collect them. Who knows how many I missed.

3. Muddy straight owns some of y'alls asses. His posting strategy and technique is like a well oiled machine. I am not sure I have ever seen someone piss off more people, just for the fun of it, in my life. It's seems easier than remembering to breathe for him.

According to the science, don't exist around here boys; but damn I want them to real bad. If they do, I will eat the hell out of some crow and ask for seconds.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Feather Chucker on November 22, 2013, 11:03:50 AM
I just wonder if some of these people who see cougars are the same ones who think every snake near water is a cottonmouth.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Michael Toris on November 22, 2013, 11:14:55 AM
Quote from: Feather Chucker on November 22, 2013, 11:03:50 AM
I just wonder if some of these people who see cougars are the same ones who think every snake near water is a cottonmouth.

Or a copperhead!
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: tomato can on November 22, 2013, 11:29:30 AM
Quote from: wildmttrout on November 22, 2013, 09:37:27 AM
While monitoring this thread,  a few things have became evident:




3. Muddy straight owns some of y'alls asses. His posting strategy and technique is like a well oiled machine. I am not sure I have ever seen someone piss off more people, just for the fun of it, in my life. It's seems easier than remembering to breathe for him.



No truer words have been posted on this forum.  As a semi reformed beehive poker/pot stirrer/shithouse lawyer - I see ol' Big Muddy coming a mile a way.  He is dry fly fishing from the computer and everybody rises up to take the bait every time.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Trout Maharishi on November 22, 2013, 11:38:38 AM
I think the black large cats people are seeing are jaguars. Nothing else from south of the boarder has any trouble getting into anywhere in the US.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Beetle on November 22, 2013, 14:27:07 PM
Quote from: wildmttrout on November 22, 2013, 09:37:27 AM

Yes, I have heard the tails myself;


Fascinating play on words...... well done.   'c;
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 22, 2013, 15:16:07 PM
You guys are right....panthers are as fictional as unicorns, dragons, intelligent sensible liberals , and the tooth fairy. In our hearts we'd like to believe they exist....but as you've stated without any evidence, we'll have to resign ourselves to the fact that they are but a thing of daydreams.

We should go back to Obamacare....now there is some imaginative wishing of monumental proportions.

Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 22, 2013, 15:57:31 PM
Quote from: overbrook on November 22, 2013, 15:16:07 PM
You guys are right....

Well heck fire, I could have told you that before we started this tinkling match.

Quote from: overbrook on November 22, 2013, 15:16:07 PM
We should go back to Obamacare....

We have no corn pudding or beondegi.   And no shingle froe or maul either?  Holy cow, we are fatigued.

-since we are into the non sequitur thing



Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Michael Toris on November 22, 2013, 16:33:52 PM
Quote from: Beetle on November 22, 2013, 14:27:07 PM
Quote from: wildmttrout on November 22, 2013, 09:37:27 AM

Yes, I have heard the tails myself;


Fascinating play on words...... well done.   'c;

Thanks man! Glad you noticed. Thought that one flew under the radar
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 22, 2013, 20:42:21 PM
Quote from: wildmttrout on November 22, 2013, 09:37:27 AM
3. Muddy straight owns some of y'alls asses. His posting strategy and technique is like a well oiled machine. I am not sure I have ever seen someone piss off more people, just for the fun of it, in my life. It's seems easier than remembering to breathe for him.


Quote from: tomato can on November 22, 2013, 11:29:30 AM
No truer words have been posted on this forum.  As a semi reformed beehive poker/pot stirrer/shithouse lawyer - I see ol' Big Muddy coming a mile a way.  He is dry fly fishing from the computer and everybody rises up to take the bait every time.


Wow...sounds like you're developing quite the following Muddy!  Maybe you should invite a few of these guys up for a sleepover or something ....sounds like you're a rockstar...or thier Micheal Jackson   -+;
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Phil on November 23, 2013, 21:38:44 PM
Quote from: overbrook on November 22, 2013, 15:16:07 PM
You guys are right....panthers are as fictional as unicorns, dragons, intelligent sensible liberals , and the tooth fairy.

I'm an intelligent sensible liberal, Overbrook. Henh.

You, however, are a hick from Kentucky with no education who managed to become a truck driver in South Carolina. No wonder you are are a tea party Conservative. Learn how to think (and maybe while you are at it, learn how to spell the English language).  You are a hoot.


Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 24, 2013, 00:44:12 AM
Quote from: Phil on November 23, 2013, 21:38:44 PM
Quote from: overbrook on November 22, 2013, 15:16:07 PM
You guys are right....panthers are as fictional as unicorns, dragons, intelligent sensible liberals , and the tooth fairy.

I'm an intelligent sensible liberal, Overbrook. Henh.

You, however, are a hick from Kentucky with no education who managed to become a truck driver in South Carolina. No wonder you are are a tea party Conservative. Learn how to think (and maybe while you are at it, learn how to spell the English language).  You are a hoot.


If it had'nt been for the first part of this statement I'd have said maybe you were having a night of sobriety.   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Trout Maharishi on November 24, 2013, 06:24:54 AM
Quote from: Phil on November 23, 2013, 21:38:44 PM
Quote from: overbrook on November 22, 2013, 15:16:07 PM
You guys are right....panthers are as fictional as unicorns, dragons, intelligent sensible liberals , and the tooth fairy.

I'm an intelligent sensible liberal, Overbrook. Henh.

You, however, are a hick from Kentucky with no education who managed to become a truck driver in South Carolina. No wonder you are are a tea party Conservative. Learn how to think (and maybe while you are at it, learn how to spell the English language).  You are a hoot.

Are you drunk again or off your meds? "I'm an intelligent sensible liberal" This is a joke right? You are an insulting name calling individual who likes to make them self feel superior by degrading others. Tom works hard to make an honest living, and just because his political and social views don't line up with yours he's a moron. Look in the mirror. You are an bitter highly educated under achieving elementary music school teacher wanna be musician playing at a 3rd rate restaurant for tips & drinks (bet that could get expensive for the owner) in the middle of rural America who can probably count his accomplishments and true friends on one hand and still have some fingers left.  /'/ Otherwise why would you constantly feel the need to insult people rather than simply debating the facts. You shouldn't drink or drive and type. i fully expect your response to be insulting, so do your worst Phildo :P
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: flatlander on November 24, 2013, 07:36:35 AM
Show me the game camera footage!  Then I might believe they are as ubiquitous as black teenagers playing the knockout game in some inner city.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 24, 2013, 08:37:23 AM
TM.....its the same with all of them, Neither I nor Ben came into this thread with the intention of insulting anyone, yet Mudwal, Phil and others just can't let a day go by where they don't try to belittle others to make themselves feel superior. I'm starting to put the pieces together now with Mudwall though. It appears to be some sort of sexual subtrifuge with him. I think he gets off on the fact that others are hanging on his every word, waiting at home behind thier computer screen with a jar of vaseline and a roll of paper towels awaiting his next snarky comment so they can satisfy thier coital transgressions. I did'nt put it together until Wildmttrout brought it to light for me. He mentioned how mudwall's posting strategy was like a well oiled machine, and that coming up with this stuff was "easier than breathing", suggesting he need not put any thought into it, it just comes to him in an instant, much in the same way as you or I would express to others the first thing that comes to mind. When searching his vast vocabulary and infinite wisdom for a way to describe Ben's appreciation for the biologists study of the Smith as a "seventeen year old ejaculating on prom night" . Apparently what Mudwall has on his mind are underage boys ejaculating, and this sort of talk arouses his fanbase. Maybe Wildmttrout will be the next invited to the Mudwall Gatewood manor to experience Mudwall in the shower "uncovered and wet". 
   I had quit engaging or replying to Phil because his deranged approach was to inveigle someone into conversation, then ensnare them into an argument where he would insult them and call them names, and when the angered individual would counter, Phil would claim to be the victim, sometimes even pleading for pity from the others on the forum, and if that did'nt work he would go to another forum and use his son as a crutch to gain attention, all the while happily accepting prayers and goodwill from those unsuspecting people, then he would return here and claim that "Religion is for patsies and ignorant fools"
   Mudwall on the otherhand apparently has a deeper darker more sinister guise under which he operates. You'd think after all the trouble Penn St. had with Jerry Sandusky, Mudwall would be more careful about unveiling his propensity for thinking about underaged boys ejaculating , describing his erotic shower scenes with other forum members etc. etc. all in open forum on the internet,  but I yield, for Mudwall is in the view of so many, the smartest man in the room.

Yes.....I have once again been tricked into partaking in thier twisted venture of deceit and sexual self-gratification.

Phil....... you and Muddy win, though I'm not sure what the prize is supposed to be or how it is supposed to be split between you, or perhaps the two of you can arrange a late night engagement at the Mudwall manor, curtains pulled, shower drawn and the two of you can figure it out.

In the mean time, please, both of you,  leave me out of your sick antics.     -+; -+; -+; -+; -+;
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 24, 2013, 09:58:50 AM
Quote from: overbrook on November 24, 2013, 08:37:23 AM
TM.....its the same with all of them, Neither I nor Ben came into this thread with the intention of insulting anyone, yet Mudwal, Phil and others just can't let a day go by where they don't try to belittle others to make themselves feel superior. I'm starting to put the pieces together now with Mudwall though. ...
In the mean time, please, both of you,  leave me out of your sick antics.     -+; -+; -+; -+; -+;

Well, that diatribe was downright vulgar and uncalled for, but I am not offended OB.  I think the entire banter is funny as hell and ridiculous. 

I was not trying to "belittle" anyone, and hope to goodness NO ONE is "hanging on" to any of the bullsh*t I say.  And I am certainly not the "smartest man in the room".  And there are no "sick antics", at least I can see.  It is ALL nothing more than jest, plain and simple.  I rarely take myself seriously, and I surely don't take any of you seriously, particularly those that I have never met.  As I have said many times before, I enjoy revealing what makes some of you tick, determining which way the hands on your clock are spinning and at what speed, which reminds me to a frequent dream I have, a dream that will surely contribute to OB's arsenal, an additional weapon that he can employ to explain and combat my perversions.

In the dream I end up in hell.  Old Satan shows herself and welcomes me with the invitation to accompany her on a tour of the underworld.   The first room is decorated with clocks, all with names of those I know and have known, and all with hands spinning at different speeds and direction, both clockwise and counter.   I inquire on the meaning.  Satan tells me they are masturbation clocks, and the speed and rotation are allied with the individuals' quirks.   I respond, "I see mine, I see most of everyone I know or have known, but where is Keith's, where is Doug's, where is Transy's?"  She tells me she has those three in her office using them as fans. 

Now back to mountain lions.   Search Chris Bolgiano and mountain lions.  She has compiled some interesting stuff on lions in the east.  There is a lion behind ever other tree. 
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: 5xTippett on November 24, 2013, 10:58:38 AM
Filly, Tom is a better man than you, any way you want to cut it.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Michael Toris on November 24, 2013, 13:26:03 PM
Cliff notes of thread:

1. Some claim black panthers and wild cats exist in the southern Appalachians.

2. They gone cray

3. Some call others gay; reason is unknown.





Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Trout Maharishi on November 24, 2013, 13:43:10 PM
Quote from: wildmttrout on November 24, 2013, 13:26:03 PM
Cliff notes of thread:

1. Some claim black panthers and wild cats exist in the southern Appalachians.

2. They gone cray

3. Some call others gay; reason is unknown.


Where do you fit in WMT, just so i'll know how to respond. Don't be ashamed to say you are a gay, it's OK now days. Let's all get drunk and call each other names and insult each other. That seems to be the order of the day around here anymore. b';
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Michael Toris on November 24, 2013, 14:00:45 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on November 24, 2013, 13:43:10 PM
Quote from: wildmttrout on November 24, 2013, 13:26:03 PM
Cliff notes of thread:

1. Some claim black panthers and wild cats exist in the southern Appalachians.

2. They gone cray

3. Some call others gay; reason is unknown.


Where do you fit in WMT, just so i'll know how to respond. Don't be ashamed to say you are a gay, it's OK now days. Let's all get drunk and call each other names and insult each other. That seems to be the order of the day around here anymore. b';

1. I'm gay as shit man. Just tons and tons of gayness flows from me by the minute. I was voted most likely to be gay in high school.

2. I agree. We all should build a big fire, get drunk as hell, call each other mean names, then hug it out. Then go fish
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Trout Maharishi on November 24, 2013, 14:03:42 PM
 ;D 'c;
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: 22midge on November 24, 2013, 14:16:03 PM
Can we still go fish if we dont like gays? I hope the damn black panthers eat all of them.  p;-   ;D
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Trout Maharishi on November 24, 2013, 14:36:04 PM
Quote from: 22midge on November 24, 2013, 14:16:03 PM
Can we still go fish if we dont like gays? I hope the damn black panthers eat all of them.  p;-   ;D

Don't worry Peewee, the batteries on most of their Priuses  are dead, plus they don't make much stylish outdoor cold weather gear. They are also too busy planning their holiday parties. -0-
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 24, 2013, 14:56:55 PM
Now I'm really disappointed....even after explaining it, Mudwall had to go and pull a page from Phil's playbook

That was downright vulgar and uncalled for.... geez I was just kidding....honest guys....I was just funnin with ya'll. I did'nt mean any of it like you guys do.
Save us the pathetic bullshit Mudwall  we've seen that a hundred times from Phil when he got backed into a corner. If you can't come up with something far more clever and original your fanbase is going to leave you.

What part was vulgar might I ask.....the parts where I quoted you?
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 24, 2013, 14:59:53 PM
Quote from: wildmttrout on November 24, 2013, 13:26:03 PM
Cliff notes of thread:

1. Some claim black panthers and wild cats exist in the southern Appalachians.

2. They gone cray

3. Some call others gay; reason is unknown.


1. who was that?
2. WTF is cray ?
3. because some identify themselves as such.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 24, 2013, 15:20:36 PM
OB, how can I be backed into a corner?  You said we won.

I call for peace and goodwill.  Thanksgiving week is a wonderful time of year.  I love Thanksgiving Day – meal of squirrel with the family.

Now, if I get out of line and truly hurt someone's feelings, then PM me, let me know, and I will never divulge, but I will publicly apologize.

Back to lions in the east.  I wonder how the new cats, when they arrive, and coyotes will get along.  Coyotes are a real problem where I used to hunt as a kid, and very few of the local hayseeds know how to trap or kill them.  It is my understanding that lions will run and tree when the coyotes show themselves.  True?
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dougfish on November 24, 2013, 15:23:38 PM
You guys crack me up. Panthers, cougars, pumas, oh my! You see and hear what you want to see or hear. Or fear to.

The Outdoor columnist at the Roanoke Times has the same wingnuts posting about cougars in his blog from time to time.
Just for shits and giggles, he photoshopped one into his banner photo. Fits this topic: Fly fishing + cougar.

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Now, lets talk about ancient aliens. Hell yes!
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Aka on November 24, 2013, 19:13:51 PM


http://youtu.be/ba0t6hFArg4 (http://youtu.be/ba0t6hFArg4)


That is all.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 24, 2013, 19:19:06 PM
Mudwall....how about this.... you wanna know what makes me tick?  My kids. thats it....my kids. I believe having kids and creating the next generation is pretty much the most important job any of us have while here on earth. Sure I like fishing, tying flies and even occasionally fornicating with the wife.....but my kids are what makes me tick. Satisfied?  can you now stop being such a trolling douchbeag and in the future just ask the question? Now....if your motives for your actions were truly to find out what makes us tick.....why don't you employ these same tactics on Phil and see if you can discover what makes him "tick"? You crack that nut and maybe we can be friends....maybe.


Now for those who truly wish to stay with the subject at hand of large cats let me clarify a few things. First I never said I saw any large cats in the southern appalachians. I have had two sightings both were in SC ....I'll even humor ya's by describing in more detail my sightings....One was at night near my house....a large cat ran across the road in front of me....it was dark and theres probably room for doubt as to what type of cat it was.....but I'm pretty damn certain it was a large cat with a long tail.
The other sighting was in broad daylight on RT.39 just a few miles south of I-20. A large panther (cougar whatever) came through what normally would be a cotton field but this was during the time of year when it was just mud and some dried stems sticking up....nothing to hide in. the cat came from my left moving faster than any other animal I've ever seen....I'm not sure I've even seen a deer move this fast. It crossed the road about 30 yards in front of me and went into the brush on the right side of the road. I slowed to try and get a better look at it but it was either gone or too well hidden....and I sure as hell was'nt getting out of my vehichle. I have no doubt about what I saw that day.

Now here could be a potential explanation.... some of the members here may remember me posting pictures of a large 80 lb long tailed cat...but with spots and black tipped ears that had gotten into a fight one night with my german shepard and the following morning my father had found where the cat had taken refuge under the house....he was afraid it may have been carrying rabies so he "extracted" the cat. We never did positively identify the species. This was about ten yrs ago. Now as chance would have it....just the last time I was home...I took the old man up to the feed mill to get some winter wheat and the owner had a picture of a similar looking large cat posted in his office. I asked him where he'd gotten it and he replied that a couple in the area ,years ago, had a number of exotic cats and when they seperated the ownership of these cats became a heated topic during the divorce and apparently the husband got pissed and released them into the wild. I said..."well that would most likely explain the one we had at the house"  I asked him if he knew what it was and he just shrugged his shoulders and said that they had several exotic cats.

So if this is an explanation for the panther sightings I may accept it.....though I never stated wether the cats I saw were wild, farm raised, captive raised....never said where they came from or where the were going...I just know I've seen a couple cross the road.

Now I still say with there being many more sightings than just mine and nubs....there has to be more than one in SC.... and I stil think its perfectly plausible that a few have traveled north from Florida since thier original range was Fl, La, Ga, SC etc..

I think to say from "car wrecks" they know exactly how many exist all through the everglades and beyond is no less a reach than for me to believe that a few may have traveled north a few hundred miles.

I'm tying to figure out.....was the number of approxamately 160 before all the accidents in 2011 and 2012 or after....because if it were before then were down to 110? Do you guys seriously think that every auto strike has been reported?  Do you think every panther in existence has a tracking collar on it....and if so who was the freakin awesome hunter who was able to catch up with, tranquilize, and tag (or collar) each and every panther alive?

I don't get too butthurt by those who doubt me....hell we've taken 3 big gators over 6 ft out of our pond and my old man still insists that gators don't get that far north.....he thinks they were put in there as a prank by teenagers....even after the gamewarden told him they are native in the area and just down the road there is a 100 acre pond just loaded with them.

Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: consumnfire1229 on November 24, 2013, 19:54:56 PM
Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther Party (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13OoNe51Vx8#ws)

Way to go Mudwall...All you wanted to do here is show appreciation for the map...
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 24, 2013, 20:22:00 PM
Quote from: consumnfire1229 on November 24, 2013, 19:54:56 PM
Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther Party (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13OoNe51Vx8#ws)

Way to go Mudwall...All you wanted to do here is show appreciation for the map...

Now that was funny.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dougfish on November 25, 2013, 06:26:29 AM
Quote from: consumnfire1229 on November 24, 2013, 19:54:56 PM
Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther Party (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13OoNe51Vx8#ws)

Way to go Mudwall...All you wanted to do here is show appreciation for the map...

'c; , dude.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Big J on November 25, 2013, 08:07:57 AM
Consumnfire doesn't post much, but when he does its usually a funny one liner.  :laugh:

Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 20:27:55 PM
You guys better call this  SC DNR officer and tell him what a fuckin nut case he is....he denies the "black panther" sightings but listen to him close when he speaks of cougars.

Face To Face With A Black Panther (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFjZAHk0tt0#ws)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on November 25, 2013, 20:31:57 PM
Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 20:27:55 PM
You guys better call this  SC DNR officer and tell him what a fuckin nut case he is....he denies the "black panther" sightings but listen to him close when he speaks of cougars.

Face To Face With A Black Panther (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFjZAHk0tt0#ws)

That is in The Dude's back yard practically.  He has a couple of cougars as pets, that's probably what that chick saw.  He lets them out at night to hunt and clear out all the riffraff.


Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 20:50:25 PM
from wikipedia....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_cougar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_cougar)



A 1981 taxonomy (Hall) accepted F. c. schorgeri, the Wisconsin puma, and also extended the range of the eastern puma into Nova Scotia and mapped the Florida panther's (F. c. coryi) range as far north as South Carolina and  southwestern Tennessee.[8]

So are you fellas arguing the subspecies??   cause again....I'm not claiming what I saw was an "eastern cougar"

ya have a SC DNR official on record saying that "it could possibly have been a cougar"

and above you have an accepted taxonomy   ( surely this should satisfy you " I need hard science "  fellas)  that states that the panther's range has been mapped as far north as South Carolina.


Well I'll be damned   :o
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dougfish on November 25, 2013, 20:50:56 PM
Quote from: benben on November 25, 2013, 20:31:57 PM
Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 20:27:55 PM
You guys better call this  SC DNR officer and tell him what a fuckin nut case he is....he denies the "black panther" sightings but listen to him close when he speaks of cougars.

Face To Face With A Black Panther (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFjZAHk0tt0#ws)

That is in The Dude's back yard practically.  He has a couple of cougars as pets, that's probably what that chick saw.  He lets them out at night to hunt and clear out all the riffraff.

He probably used a Sharpie on one after this thread got going.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 20:54:52 PM
Hey BenBen ....you might wanna read this.....


http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/outdoors/rob-pavey/2011-08-24/georgia-hunter-fined-shooting-rare-florida-panther (http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/outdoors/rob-pavey/2011-08-24/georgia-hunter-fined-shooting-rare-florida-panther)


Does this fucker not deserve a retrial....cause according to you the expert....this was a captive raised cat???


read the whole article.....because not only does this confirm that it was a WILD panther.....but if you read the entire article it explains how 10 others were turned loose with tracking devices and at least one made its way to StromThurmond  which is about 45 miles from the house....and also went on to say "During its travels through Georgia, the wandering panther never generated a single reported sighting"


Seriously....some of you guys might want to do a little research and realize that its not out of the realm of possibilities for there to be a few in our area when you consider a few things....

this was natural habitat for the panther just a few decades ago
large cats have been tracked traveling hundreds of miles
the panthers natural habitat is the remote area of swamps and marshes like the everglades of which SC has thousands of acres of similar habitat

you guys keep suggesting that you want photo evidence.....understand this....

deer hunters usually hunt next to large planted fields or in hardwood forests (deer love acorns) ......they don't usually hunt the most remote areas of swamplands

not many photos have turned up for the same reasons.....not many people have been placing large numbers of game cameras in the swamps.

most sightings are going to be similar to mine when a cat is traveling or migrating and out of its normal habitat....the cat crosses the road quickly in front of you...unexpectadely I might add. Even if I had had a camera sitting beside me at the ready....by the time I turned it on and it powered up....it would have been too late.

there are no pictures because nobody has been actively persuing a picture (at least not in the right places)

So even though I debunked BenBen's claim that it was'nt a wild cougar  (which I had never intended to argue)  I'm sure that if one turns up dead on a hwy having been hit by a car or another shot by some dumbass.... I'tll be  "captive raised"  "escaped from the circus"  "released by teenagers as a joke"   "thats not a cougar ....thats a unicorn!"       anything but an admittance that yes.....there are a few big cats in SC
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on November 25, 2013, 21:04:26 PM
Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 20:54:52 PM
Hey BenBen ....you might wanna read this.....


http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/outdoors/rob-pavey/2011-08-24/georgia-hunter-fined-shooting-rare-florida-panther (http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/outdoors/rob-pavey/2011-08-24/georgia-hunter-fined-shooting-rare-florida-panther)


Does this fucker not deserve a retrial....cause according to you the expert....this was a captive raised cat???

Well damn, good researching.  The two articles I found pre-dated this one, guess the DNA evidence refuted the initial necropsy info I found. 

Sucks for the guy though. 

Now this is funny...found this quote on another article citing the sentencing of the hunter...

Troup county sits on the Georgia-Alabama border, meaning the poor creature was likely fleeing the Yellowhammer State for a much better location when it was shot down.


:laugh:
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on November 25, 2013, 21:07:32 PM
Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 20:50:25 PM
from wikipedia....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_cougar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_cougar)



A 1981 taxonomy (Hall) accepted F. c. schorgeri, the Wisconsin puma, and also extended the range of the eastern puma into Nova Scotia and mapped the Florida panther's (F. c. coryi) range as far north as South Carolina and  southwestern Tennessee.[8]

So are you fellas arguing the subspecies??   cause again....I'm not claiming what I saw was an "eastern cougar"

ya have a SC DNR official on record saying that "it could possibly have been a cougar"

and above you have an accepted taxonomy   ( surely this should satisfy you " I need hard science "  fellas)  that states that the panther's range has been mapped as far north as South Carolina.


Well I'll be damned   :o

Hall's range was the range in about 1500 AD though...jus' sayin'

http://www.floridapanthernet.org/index.php/handbook/history/range_of_the_florida_panther/#.UpQCBMRDtgB (http://www.floridapanthernet.org/index.php/handbook/history/range_of_the_florida_panther/#.UpQCBMRDtgB)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 21:20:32 PM
Quote from: benben on November 25, 2013, 21:07:32 PM
Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 20:50:25 PM
from wikipedia....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_cougar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_cougar)



A 1981 taxonomy (Hall) accepted F. c. schorgeri, the Wisconsin puma, and also extended the range of the eastern puma into Nova Scotia and mapped the Florida panther's (F. c. coryi) range as far north as South Carolina and  southwestern Tennessee.[8]

So are you fellas arguing the subspecies??   cause again....I'm not claiming what I saw was an "eastern cougar"

ya have a SC DNR official on record saying that "it could possibly have been a cougar"

and above you have an accepted taxonomy   ( surely this should satisfy you " I need hard science "  fellas)  that states that the panther's range has been mapped as far north as South Carolina.


Well I'll be damned   :o

Hall's range was the range in about 1500 AD though...jus' sayin'

http://www.floridapanthernet.org/index.php/handbook/history/range_of_the_florida_panther/#.UpQCBMRDtgB (http://www.floridapanthernet.org/index.php/handbook/history/range_of_the_florida_panther/#.UpQCBMRDtgB)

Does it say when the range diminished to no longer include SC??   NO   Jis' sayin'     humans may have populated the same area during 1500 AD....does that mean humans no longer populate it?  I mean really....thats just fuckin stupid BenBen.....are you claiming that this is to suggest that 1500 AD is when they no longer populated South Carolina?    or maybe....just maybe .....what this really suggests is that thier existence is believed to go back that far...not end there.     Come on....you can do better than that.



or wait a minute......wait for it......


are you suggesting that the study was done in 1500 AD ???    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: b';
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dougfish on November 25, 2013, 21:22:06 PM
Is Hollywild run by the SC DNR, OB?

Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 20:50:25 PM

ya have a SC DNR official on record saying that "it could possibly have been a cougar"


Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 21:24:35 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on November 25, 2013, 21:22:06 PM
Is Hollywild run by the SC DNR, OB?

Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 20:50:25 PM

ya have a SC DNR official on record saying that "it could possibly have been a cougar"


Have no idea....don't even know what Hollywild is. (I'm sure its some kind of zoo like attraction ?? )
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on November 25, 2013, 21:37:56 PM
Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 21:20:32 PM

Does it say when the range diminished to no longer include SC?? 

Yes.  It does.

Once the panther ranged throughout Florida as well as throughout much of the southeastern United States from Louisiana north and east to Tennessee and the Atlantic. Today only about 100 adult panthers exist on protected state and federal lands and the remaining private lands in southwest Florida, making them among the most endangered animals in the world. Young, dispersing males have been documented in other parts of the state but the breeding population remains restricted to south Florida.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 22:19:36 PM
Quote from: benben on November 25, 2013, 21:37:56 PM
Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 21:20:32 PM

Does it say when the range diminished to no longer include SC?? 

Yes.  It does.

Once the panther ranged throughout Florida as well as throughout much of the southeastern United States from Louisiana north and east to Tennessee and the Atlantic. Today only about 100 adult panthers exist on protected state and federal lands and the remaining private lands in southwest Florida, making them among the most endangered animals in the world. Young, dispersing males have been documented in other parts of the state but the breeding population remains restricted to south Florida.




So you're suggesting that panthers or cougars have'nt inhabited South carolina (due to loss of habitat and human degradation) since 1500 AD  just 8 years after Columbus landed in the Bahamas ??      Man really does fuck some shit up don't they.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dougfish on November 25, 2013, 22:22:00 PM
Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 21:24:35 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on November 25, 2013, 21:22:06 PM
Is Hollywild run by the SC DNR, OB?

Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 20:50:25 PM

ya have a SC DNR official on record saying that "it could possibly have been a cougar"


Have no idea....don't even know what Hollywild is. (I'm sure its some kind of zoo like attraction ?? )

Well the dude on the vid is from Hollywild. No DNR guy that I see. Just a self promoting zoo operator.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 22:32:20 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on November 25, 2013, 22:22:00 PM
Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 21:24:35 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on November 25, 2013, 21:22:06 PM
Is Hollywild run by the SC DNR, OB?

Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 20:50:25 PM

ya have a SC DNR official on record saying that "it could possibly have been a cougar"



Have no idea....don't even know what Hollywild is. (I'm sure its some kind of zoo like attraction ?? )

Well the dude on the vid is from Hollywild. No DNR guy that I see. Just a self promoting zoo operator.

Ok ...I'm busted on that one....I guess I was'nt listening closely enough....I thought the reported introduced him as a wildlife official  ( IE:  DNR)

Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: 5xTippett on November 25, 2013, 22:38:35 PM
"One of the male cats ended up in Burke County, Ga., before traveling along Brier Creek into McDuffie County. Eventually, it made its way to the Clarks Hill Wildlife Management Area near Thurmond Lake, where biologists recaptured it in February of that year and returned it to Florida.

During its travels through Georgia, the wandering panther never generated a single reported sighting."  This explains a lot to me.

Furthermore when you see one of these things you know they aren't supposed to be around and people will not necessarily believe you.  You know a bunch of jerks who don't know their rear end from a hole in the ground will insinuate you were drinking or whatever.  It takes a bit of courage to tell people you saw it.  I have been hunting since I could hold a BB gun.  I have shot pheasants in Ireland and Maui.  I have shot Red Deer in Scotland.  I have shot Roe Deer in England and Scotland.  I have shot Axis deer in Texas along with one Auodad.  I have shot more whitetails than I have a clue and around 80 turkeys.  There is no telling how many doves and ducks I have killed and I haven't finished with them.  The turkeys can relax I am not mad at them anymore.  The point is I have spent enough time in the woods in a bunch of different places and if I say I saw a long tailed black cat around 40 or 50 pounds I saw one, and if you don't believe me you can take a hike.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 22:45:11 PM
Nub.... I think they're just jealous    ;D
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on November 26, 2013, 06:39:03 AM
Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 22:19:36 PM
Man really does fuck some shit up don't they.

Yeah....see the climate change thread.    ;D
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 26, 2013, 07:37:59 AM
I have been drinking, smoking, chewing, and exposed to the sun since I could hold a copy of Field and Stream.   I have killed dendrites in the mountains of VA, WV, and TN.  I have killed more than a thousand axons in the Catskills of NY.  In Reno NV, I killed multiple hepatocytes in just one short evening.  I have killed Type I pneumocytes in the wilds of Alaska.  In WY I killed squamous epithelial.  In my youth, I killed way too many keratinocytes on several Atlantic beaches.   I know cells!  I have spent 57 years killing cells, and if I say I saw an Ostreococcus in the picoplankton of my toilet bowl, then I saw one, and if you don't believe me then you can buy me a Genesee!

You guys are a hoot!

Hope the VA mountains get some of the white stuff – just enough to make things white.  Hunting with the slopes white is grand.

Happy turkey day!
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on November 26, 2013, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: benben on November 26, 2013, 06:39:03 AM
Quote from: overbrook on November 25, 2013, 22:19:36 PM
Man really does fuck some shit up don't they.

Yeah....see the climate change thread.    ;D


LOL....see this is the problem I have with your statement that panthers were eradicated from SC in 1500  a good 150 years before white settlers landed foot in north America   (unless you're saying the seminole indians are responsible?).....its like blaming the extinction of dinosaurs on global warming caused by man using aerosol cans and burning fossil fuels.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Grannyknot on November 26, 2013, 10:32:07 AM
If anyone other than myself has had a really hard time following along with this thread, I found a flow chart that might help us out.
Forgive me, for I am a simpleton.

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I did see a small black cat in my kitchen one day.

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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Big J on November 26, 2013, 10:38:13 AM
Quote from: Grannyknot on November 26, 2013, 10:32:07 AM
If anyone other than myself has had a really hard time following along with this thread, I found a flow chart that might help us out.
Forgive me, for I am a simpleton.

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I did see a small black cat in my kitchen one day.

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Glad I'm not the only one that lost track of this thread a while ago.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Jfey on November 26, 2013, 11:25:48 AM
This pic was taken in Mooresville, NC.  My wife and kids were witness
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I've never seen a black and white cat like this before

Saw this, but I don't think its that rare of a sighting and I think he spotted me first

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Also, trying to find the animal that snuck into our house last night and ate the pumpkin pie

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The neighbors spotted these suspicious looking animals acting strangely.  I am blaming them.

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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: tomato can on November 27, 2013, 06:52:43 AM
Jfey now that was funny.  almost snarfed my coffee.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: The Dude on November 27, 2013, 07:01:31 AM
I saw this in the Ft Bragg PHA in February 2002.  No lie.

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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Aka on November 27, 2013, 13:06:01 PM
It's so damn cold out I figured I would add some more fuel for the fire.

http://news.yahoo.com/housecat-size-feline-species-discovered-170918366.html (http://news.yahoo.com/housecat-size-feline-species-discovered-170918366.html)


Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dougfish on November 27, 2013, 16:11:11 PM
Then there is was this in the woods!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/05/26/alabama-boy-kills-1051-pound-monster-pig-bigger-than-hogzilla/ (http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/05/26/alabama-boy-kills-1051-pound-monster-pig-bigger-than-hogzilla/)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: The Dude on November 27, 2013, 20:27:56 PM
Python Eats Passed Out Drunk Guy In India

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A Python ate a person who was drunk and lying beside the liquor shop. News from Attapady, Kerala. pic.twitter.com/2vRqCEaabn — VIKRAMAN NAIR (@mvnair212)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: RiverbumCO on November 28, 2013, 09:40:01 AM
Happy Thanksgiving, ya buncha dicks.

http://youtu.be/Xrzbqiurbus (http://youtu.be/Xrzbqiurbus)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on December 10, 2013, 12:57:50 PM
The comments section at the bottom of these articles are usually better than the article itself.  I look forward to checking it later as all the locals come out of the woodwork to report their sightings over the years.

http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20131210/LIVING/312100018/Nature-Journal-Mountain-lions-WNC- (http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20131210/LIVING/312100018/Nature-Journal-Mountain-lions-WNC-)

Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Big J on December 10, 2013, 13:40:52 PM
He sure likes to throw around the statistical percentage of 95%.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on December 10, 2013, 14:23:06 PM
Quote from: Big J on December 10, 2013, 13:40:52 PM
He sure likes to throw around the statistical percentage of 95%.

Lordy Lordy be!

Never heard one in his life and they are 95% sure that is what they heard.

And his speculation that about 95% of the sightings are some other critter.  And the other 5% "seem to be pretty reliable".  I will tell you what is reliable!  Imagination and hallucinations are very real and reliable!

So why 95%?  Why not 99%, or 90%?   Guilty I suppose; I am breaking the Dude's 2nd Commandment of Logic.  I am exaggerating the wingnut's argument in order to make it easier to attack.

And then there is this.   "......or, more likely, they are ones that were trapped elsewhere and deliberately released."

More freaking mountain lion excrement! 
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on December 10, 2013, 14:50:13 PM
At least 95% of all Pretentious Snobby Bastards are bat shit crazy too.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: OldDominionAngler on December 10, 2013, 15:21:50 PM
Quote from: RiverbumCO on November 28, 2013, 09:40:01 AM
Happy Thanksgiving, ya buncha dicks.

http://youtu.be/Xrzbqiurbus (http://youtu.be/Xrzbqiurbus)

Pretty cool to watch...but a battery powered stuffed animal as a decoy?  What a pussy.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: RiverbumCO on December 10, 2013, 16:27:44 PM
Im in the market for a battery powered stuffed animal. 
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on December 11, 2013, 08:10:19 AM
Damnation!  First cougars now snowy owls in our mountains.  I'm just glad some redneck didn't shoot it and hopefully now it can be brought back to full strength.

http://wlos.com/news/features/featured/stories/snowy-owl-rescued-2053.shtml (http://wlos.com/news/features/featured/stories/snowy-owl-rescued-2053.shtml)

Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: rbphoto on December 11, 2013, 08:35:02 AM
Quote from: benben on December 11, 2013, 08:10:19 AM
Damnation!  First cougars now snowy owls in our mountains.  I'm just glad some redneck didn't shoot it and hopefully now it can be brought back to full strength.

http://wlos.com/news/features/featured/stories/snowy-owl-rescued-2053.shtml (http://wlos.com/news/features/featured/stories/snowy-owl-rescued-2053.shtml)

It's probably an omen of future climate change yet to come.

WNC should start prepping for the next ice age  ;D
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Aka on January 09, 2014, 21:36:50 PM
I thought this kind of shit only happened in Tennessee.

http://news.yahoo.com/inbreeding-found-california-mountain-lions-180643147.html (http://news.yahoo.com/inbreeding-found-california-mountain-lions-180643147.html)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dougfish on August 11, 2014, 06:44:58 AM
The topic is baaaaack.

From our paper today.

http://www.roanoke.com/community/botetourt_view/photo-from-trail-camera-revives-debate-about-possible-cougar-sightings/article_cfab64ba-a41b-5e81-b502-2027cca6cd9a.html?mode=image&photo= (http://www.roanoke.com/community/botetourt_view/photo-from-trail-camera-revives-debate-about-possible-cougar-sightings/article_cfab64ba-a41b-5e81-b502-2027cca6cd9a.html?mode=image&photo=)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Big J on August 11, 2014, 07:12:59 AM
Looks like a bobcat to me.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on August 11, 2014, 07:36:52 AM
Quote from: Big J on August 11, 2014, 07:12:59 AM
Looks like a bobcat to me.

We need Muddy to weigh in, then 5X for the tie-breaker.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Big J on August 11, 2014, 07:47:06 AM
The whole situation of mountain lions in VA confuses me.  There was an article a while back that had at least 50 people saying they have seen mountain lions.  One person saying they have seen one dead on the side of the road off 81.  I don't know what these people are seeing. 
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Michael Toris on August 11, 2014, 08:34:22 AM
Quote from: Big J on August 11, 2014, 07:47:06 AM
The whole situation of mountain lions in VA confuses me.  There was an article a while back that had at least 50 people saying they have seen mountain lions.  One person saying they have seen one dead on the side of the road off 81.  I don't know what these people are seeing.
They are seeing their 5 mins of fame
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Onslow on August 11, 2014, 08:59:00 AM
A fella who works at S L sports in Sparta NC managed to get a cool backside shot of a massive bobcat. The dude claims this cat would be about 50 pounds. I did see the pic and I would have mistaken it for a cougar if I had not seen the tail.  Im sure the fella would be willing to show it to any who would inquire.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: The Dude on August 11, 2014, 09:15:50 AM
Trying to judge height of the animal based on how tall the grass is and comparing it between the bear and cat, the feline doesn't appear to be very big at all.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 11, 2014, 10:03:18 AM
Quote from: benben on August 11, 2014, 07:36:52 AM
Quote from: Big J on August 11, 2014, 07:12:59 AM
Looks like a bobcat to me.

We need Muddy to weigh in, then 5X for the tie-breaker.

I'm still here in the mountains, close to my dad after he got his new ticker valve.  This is day 16 here; another 5 or 6 and he should be fine on his own.

No lions but I did see a very long legged bobcat a few days back – very shaggy, like he/she was shedding or the mange.

Someone else will have to weigh in with jabbing the silly, the irrational; I ain't got the energy. 

Peace.

After 15 minutes, the photo downloaded.  Dude is spot on.  It ain't even a decent sized bobcat.  I say it is a lost or rogue Fluffy.  I hope someone finds their kitty. 
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: RiverbumCO on August 11, 2014, 11:53:51 AM
Quote from: Phallus in Wonderland on August 11, 2014, 08:59:00 AM
A fella who works at S L sports in Sparta NC managed to get a cool backside shot of a massive bobcat. The dude claims this cat would be about 50 pounds. I did see the pic and I would have mistaken it for a cougar if I had not seen the tail.  Im sure the fella would be willing to show it to any who would inquire.

theres a mounted mountain lion on the wall in that store fwiw.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Aka on August 11, 2014, 11:58:18 AM
Caption from the link.
"The trail-camera photo that captured an unknown breed of cat."

I'm putting my money on tabby.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: natureboy on August 12, 2014, 12:53:24 PM
I also captured a mountain lion on trail camera recently.

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Though this is what will have me looking over my shoulder this fall...
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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Beetle on August 12, 2014, 13:04:51 PM
Holy crap- that's a huge black panther   :o
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Native Fisher on December 16, 2014, 15:49:01 PM
Why the hell did they kill it?

http://www.lex18.com/news/mountain-lion-put-down-in-bourbon-county/ (http://www.lex18.com/news/mountain-lion-put-down-in-bourbon-county/)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: overbrook on December 16, 2014, 17:24:23 PM
How do you kill something that doesn't exist??   b';
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: bullship on December 16, 2014, 19:38:51 PM
A lot of fucking bullets
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Michael Toris on December 17, 2014, 21:33:25 PM
Quote from: overbrook on December 16, 2014, 17:24:23 PM
How do you kill something that doesn't exist??   b';
Lol

Poor little feller
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: consumnfire1229 on December 19, 2014, 18:46:39 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/19/officer-kill-mountain-lion-not-spotted-in-kentucky-since-before-civil-war/?intcmp=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/19/officer-kill-mountain-lion-not-spotted-in-kentucky-since-before-civil-war/?intcmp=latestnews)

maybe 5x isn't as crazy as mudwall thinks...
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Beetle on December 20, 2014, 08:29:13 AM
Where is 5x?
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: flatlander on December 20, 2014, 08:52:34 AM
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Gila Monster?
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Beetle on December 28, 2014, 14:04:51 PM
Rainy day read (for Mudwall)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on December 28, 2014, 19:23:26 PM
Quote from: Beetle on December 28, 2014, 14:04:51 PM
Rainy day read (for Mudwall)

https://chrisbolgiano.wordpress.com/

Her husband, Ralph, says she is the most famous unknown writer in Virginia.  I am not easily amused, not even mildly. 
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Beetle on December 28, 2014, 19:58:53 PM
Well....I got sidetracked by this one
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on December 28, 2014, 20:12:20 PM
Quote from: Beetle on December 28, 2014, 19:58:53 PM
Well....I got sidetracked by this one

John, much better!!!
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Beetle on December 28, 2014, 21:05:00 PM
I've got a pretty good library going on the IBW
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Michael Toris on December 28, 2014, 21:16:04 PM
Quote from: Beetle on December 28, 2014, 21:05:00 PM
I've got a pretty good library going on the IBW
It ded
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Michael Toris on December 28, 2014, 21:16:57 PM
Quote from: Beetle on December 28, 2014, 14:04:51 PM
Rainy day read (for Mudwall)
It ded too
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Big J on December 30, 2014, 09:02:10 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/12/29/first-bobcat-in-century-spotted-on-georgia-island/?intcmp=features (http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/12/29/first-bobcat-in-century-spotted-on-georgia-island/?intcmp=features)

Neat article on a bobcat.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on December 30, 2014, 09:48:13 AM
Why is there a spinning reel representing this forum?  FAIL.

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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Transylwader on December 30, 2014, 10:53:22 AM
Woolly gotto subsidize his income.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 31, 2014, 00:42:39 AM
I don't know what is going on with the new tapatalk, think the latest release is fubar
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on December 31, 2014, 06:59:14 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on December 31, 2014, 00:42:39 AM
I don't know what is going on with the new tapatalk, think the latest release is fubar

Yeah, I found it frustrating as well.  People can't leave well enough alone.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 06, 2015, 22:36:48 PM

Quote from: benben on December 31, 2014, 06:59:14 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on December 31, 2014, 00:42:39 AM
I don't know what is going on with the new tapatalk, think the latest release is fubar

Yeah, I found it frustrating as well.  People can't leave well enough alone.

Got a support ticket to address the spinning reel photo
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on January 07, 2015, 07:30:30 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on January 06, 2015, 22:36:48 PM

Quote from: benben on December 31, 2014, 06:59:14 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on December 31, 2014, 00:42:39 AM
I don't know what is going on with the new tapatalk, think the latest release is fubar

Yeah, I found it frustrating as well.  People can't leave well enough alone.

Got a support ticket to address the spinning reel photo

Bossman taking care of business!
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on January 30, 2015, 18:11:16 PM

Quote from: Woolly Bugger on January 06, 2015, 22:36:48 PM

Quote from: benben on December 31, 2014, 06:59:14 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on December 31, 2014, 00:42:39 AM
I don't know what is going on with the new tapatalk, think the latest release is fubar

Yeah, I found it frustrating as well.  People can't leave well enough alone.

Got a support ticket to address the spinning reel photo

Good work with the new pic.  Bringing some class back to BRFFF.  Slightly.   
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Big J on February 10, 2015, 12:09:17 PM
Saw this on Facebook Mudwall.  Stop lying!


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I saw a mountain lion 11 yards away from me in a tree stand off Bottom Creek Lane near the Fire Road in 1996. Few believed me, even though it was witnessed being chased by dogs by the then postmistress of Bent Mtn, Mrs. Paul Sandberg. Now here is proof via a webcam that they are up there. When shown to Va Game and Inland Fisheries, they denied it. Why??? My high school mascot was a cougar or mountain lion and i saw one stuffed everyday from 5th-12th grade. here it is folks. VDGIF stop lying
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: bmadd on February 10, 2015, 12:22:31 PM
I am no expert on identification (my school mascot was a mustang) but I do believe that is a fake.
1) That looks like a photoshopped lioness to me.
2) I thought we only had big black cats?
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Transylwader on February 10, 2015, 12:39:57 PM
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Pussys
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Big J on February 10, 2015, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: bmadd on February 10, 2015, 12:22:31 PM
I am no expert on identification (my school mascot was a mustang) but I do believe that is a fake.
1) That looks like a photoshopped lioness to me.
2) I thought we only had big black cats?

Yup, every year something like this pops up on my book of face.  Had to educate some family members this weekend who were sharing this post.....  b';
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Jfey on February 11, 2015, 12:06:17 PM
Straight up lion showed up Charlotte.   Be careful out there

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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 11, 2015, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: Big J on February 10, 2015, 12:09:17 PM
Now here is proof via a webcam that they are up there. When shown to Va Game and Inland Fisheries, they denied it. Why??? My high school mascot was a cougar or mountain lion and i saw one stuffed everyday from 5th-12th grade. here it is folks. VDGIF stop lying[/b]

Did he/she graduate?  How many school days did this person miss from 5-12.   Most likely he/she vaguely remembers the "stuffed" mascot, probably not at all.    This is just another counterfeit try, and reassertion that we should not trust our VDGIF biologists. 
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 03, 2015, 20:05:49 PM
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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: F.You on May 03, 2015, 21:48:36 PM
I saw black panther in Forrest Gump movie one time. -0-
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Aka on May 05, 2015, 19:11:19 PM

Quote from: troutfanatic on May 04, 2015, 20:41:03 PM
one time back in Philadelphia

You got panthers in PA?
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: sanjuanwormhatch on May 06, 2015, 07:59:05 AM
nightstick, camera phone - it's all the same. 
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: RiverbumCO on May 06, 2015, 20:07:46 PM
Quote from: sanjuanwormhatch on May 06, 2015, 07:59:05 AM
nightstick, camera phone - it's all the same.
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So sadly accurate.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Native Fisher on June 16, 2015, 22:02:37 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/16/us/eastern-cougar-extinction/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/16/us/eastern-cougar-extinction/index.html)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: bmadd on October 06, 2015, 22:40:14 PM
http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/news/2015/10/06/cougar-sighting-confirmed-twra/73464314/ (http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/news/2015/10/06/cougar-sighting-confirmed-twra/73464314/)

My neck of the woods.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: driver on October 07, 2015, 07:46:37 AM
Awesome. I would be nice to have a population in the east. Maybe they would control the coyotes.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 19, 2015, 06:49:00 AM
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151110-mountain-lions-pumas-cougars-animals-science-nation/
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Yallerhammer on November 19, 2015, 07:47:41 AM
Quote from: driver on October 07, 2015, 07:46:37 AM
Awesome. I would be nice to have a population in the east western NC. Maybe they would control the coyotes yankee transplants.

;D
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 19, 2015, 08:24:46 AM
Quote from: wademaster on November 19, 2015, 06:49:00 AM
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151110-mountain-lions-pumas-cougars-animals-science-nation/ (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151110-mountain-lions-pumas-cougars-animals-science-nation/)

Where the heck are those data points of confirmed sightings from the BRFFF members?  And surely a black cat sighting would warrant a data point. 

"In fact LaRue's research shows most people who report seeing a cougar actually don't—it's usually a bobcat, large domestic cat, golden retriever, or even a deer seen from an odd angle. And when people think they've found cougar tracks, "It's almost always some sort of canid [dog]," she says. (Follow LaRue on Twitter to play her game #CougarOrNot.)"
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: bmadd on November 19, 2015, 10:14:45 AM
Look up 4 posts. While I'm not in the Blue Ridge, our state wildlife department confirmed that a cougar sighting near my area.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 19, 2015, 10:24:56 AM
I've got two acquaintances that say they've seen them. One in NC and one in VA. 

The NC guy is a fuckin' liar for the most part so who knows. Said he seen one while deer hunting a few years back.

The VA guy is pretty straight up for the most part, besides being a lazy, sorry fuck. Him and his neighbor have pics of one in their yard. Only a few minutes from the NC line.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Yallerhammer on November 19, 2015, 10:29:44 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see a cougar/panther anywhere, really. The young dispersing males will travel for hundreds of miles or sometimes more. But in hundreds of years, there has never, ever been a single confirmed black cougar/panther/mountain lion/puma. Never. The black panther sightings are a modern phenomenon fueled by black panthers (melanistic jaguars/leopards,) on tv and movies. My grandparents, who grew up when there were still panthers in decent numbers here in the mountains, never mentioned black ones.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on November 19, 2015, 10:42:57 AM
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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: 5xTippett on November 19, 2015, 10:49:17 AM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=241333232659277&set=a.146141855511749.28017.100003478070834&type=3 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=241333232659277&set=a.146141855511749.28017.100003478070834&type=3)

I haven't talked to the guy whose trail camera this belonged to, but I know where his hunting club is.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 19, 2015, 10:55:02 AM
Quote from: 5xTippett on November 19, 2015, 10:49:17 AM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=241333232659277&set=a.146141855511749.28017.100003478070834&type=3 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=241333232659277&set=a.146141855511749.28017.100003478070834&type=3)

I haven't talked to the guy whose trail camera this belonged to, but I know where his hunting club is.

Link is no workey.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: themidge on November 19, 2015, 10:55:47 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on November 19, 2015, 10:29:44 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see a cougar/panther anywhere, really. The young dispersing males will travel for hundreds of miles or sometimes more. But in hundreds of years, there has never, ever been a single confirmed black cougar/panther/mountain lion/puma. Never. The black panther sightings are a modern phenomenon fueled by black panthers (melanistic jaguars/leopards,) on tv and movies. My grandparents, who grew up when there were still panthers in decent numbers here in the mountains, never mentioned black ones.

#blackmountainlionlivesmatter
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Grannyknot on November 20, 2015, 09:04:02 AM
Dad checked an old game camera last night that he hadn't checked since summer.
This is in West KY.

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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 20, 2015, 09:16:53 AM
Blue Ridge Parkway, Virginia. Just minutes from the NC line.

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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on November 20, 2015, 09:42:19 AM
Pretty sure that last pic is a bobcat judging by the ears.  Also, the tail could be pretty drooped out of sight but I'm not seeing the big tail indicative of a mountain lion either.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dougfish on November 20, 2015, 09:51:48 AM
Last one is a house cat. First one?  :o
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 20, 2015, 09:56:02 AM
The pine behind it is huge. Ain't no house cat. From what the dude says, it had a long tail. He says for sure it wasn't a bobcat. Who knows. Wish I would've been there personally.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Big J on November 20, 2015, 10:02:26 AM
That is a bobcat.  Granny's though is no bobcat. 
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 20, 2015, 10:24:17 AM
Quote from: wademaster on November 20, 2015, 09:56:02 AM
The pine behind it is huge. Ain't no house cat. From what the dude says, it had a long tail. He says for sure it wasn't a bobcat. Who knows. Wish I would've been there personally.

Well if it ain't a house cat, then it is the smallest bobcat or mountain lion ever recorded.  Check the height of the grasses next to the soil-exposed bare spot. 

And remember, "....most people who report seeing a cougar actually don't....".   Oh wait, some of you are very selective when accepting scientific research.  The superstitious, along with the supernatural, abound.  It is cerebrally embedded in some of us, the desire to see things without real evidence.  I wanted to see Dorothy Hamill resting beside me this AM when I woke with a rare morning woody, but I was disappointed.

The mountain lions will get here, be patient, eat your veggies, drink in moderation, exercise, watch your salt intake, and prolong your existence as best you can.  You might be lucky enough to see one.   
Title: Are you being watched?
Post by: Aka on November 20, 2015, 10:26:17 AM
1st one - Mountain lion
2nd one - Bob's cat. Upon closer inspection it's most likely a puddytat.
Seems like mountain lions/ cougars will eventually repopulate these mountains but in a way I kind of hope the big cats don't come back. I hiked enough in western states looking over my shoulder.
The week I moved to San Diego one jumped over a 8' high block wall into a ladies yard, killed her 120lb German Shepard, and then jumped back over the wall with it.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: themidge on November 20, 2015, 10:29:41 AM
Quote from: AKAaron on November 20, 2015, 10:26:17 AM
1st one - Mountain lion
2nd one - Bobcat.
Seems like mountain lions/ cougars will eventually repopulate these mountains but in a way I kind of hope the big cats don't come back. I hiked enough in western states looking over my shoulder.
The week I moved to San Diego one jumped over a 8' high block wall into a ladies yard, killed her 120lb German Shepard, and then jumped back over the wall with it.

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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Aka on November 20, 2015, 10:33:13 AM
That meme you post every other day never gets old, never. Just doesn't get old and worn out. It's not over used or tired, not a bit. Nope not at all.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: themidge on November 20, 2015, 10:40:24 AM
Quote from: AKAaron on November 20, 2015, 10:33:13 AM
That meme you post every other day never gets old, never. Just doesn't get old and worn out. It's not over used or tired, not a bit. Nope not at all.

+1. 10-4. Glad you like it.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 20, 2015, 10:45:10 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on November 20, 2015, 10:24:17 AM
I woke with a rare morning woody, but I was disappointed.

Speaking of smallest things ever recorded.... d:b

Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Grannyknot on November 20, 2015, 10:49:40 AM
Aaron if he sees that gif one more time

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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Onslow on November 20, 2015, 11:11:10 AM
I would have to agree with A regarding the kitty cats.  My wife's gramp grew up in the tail end of the panther era.  That fella was traumatized by those wretched cats till the day he died in 1987.

Nearly shat in my in my waders a couple years back when i was approached by a 50 pound coyote in Allegheny cnty nc  A 90 pound cat would stop my ticker.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Yallerhammer on November 20, 2015, 12:35:00 PM
If it's any consolation, they can get up to about 250 or so.  ;D
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Jfey on November 20, 2015, 12:44:01 PM
Quote from: Grannyknot on November 20, 2015, 10:49:40 AM
Aaron if he sees that gif one more time

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Now that is worth watching daily.

Imagining AK throwing the tree makes it even better.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: JMiller on November 20, 2015, 14:07:53 PM
Hahahahahaha Cant stop watching that gif.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Woolly Bugger on November 20, 2015, 14:32:20 PM
Christmas jihadists!
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Beetle on November 20, 2015, 15:51:27 PM
Is that Urkle?
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: ptfranze on November 21, 2015, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: Grannyknot on November 20, 2015, 09:04:02 AM
Dad checked an old game camera last night that he hadn't checked since summer.
This is in West KY.

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Granny did your dad share that picture with someone in Wisconsin in Oct 2014?

http://www.wpr.org/cougars-return-wisconsin-after-disappearing-state-century-ago (http://www.wpr.org/cougars-return-wisconsin-after-disappearing-state-century-ago)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: driver on November 21, 2015, 13:23:00 PM
burn....
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 01, 2015, 22:56:44 PM




A friend of mine killed this coyote a few miles from my place a couple weeks ago. Big bitch for sure. He ordered the form for it from the taxidermy supply company, and upon arrival he realized the largest coyote form they carry was too small. He needed an actual wolf form to fit it properly for the mount.


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Title: Are you being watched?
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 01, 2015, 23:16:17 PM
Possible mountain lion spotted on greenway in Greensboro
http://via.wghp.com/YnTtC


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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on December 02, 2015, 07:22:29 AM
http://www.defenders.org/publications/red_wolf_identification_guide_for_hunters.pdf (http://www.defenders.org/publications/red_wolf_identification_guide_for_hunters.pdf)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 02, 2015, 07:31:05 AM

Quote from: benben on December 02, 2015, 07:22:29 AM
http://www.defenders.org/publications/red_wolf_identification_guide_for_hunters.pdf (http://www.defenders.org/publications/red_wolf_identification_guide_for_hunters.pdf)

I thought about that. The killing of one critter while being mistaken for another is an ongoing issue. They've banned or did ban coyote hunting in several places due to this.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Grannyknot on December 02, 2015, 09:22:06 AM
Quote from: ptfranze on November 21, 2015, 12:58:55 PM
Quote from: Grannyknot on November 20, 2015, 09:04:02 AM
Dad checked an old game camera last night that he hadn't checked since summer.
This is in West KY.

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Granny did your dad share that picture with someone in Wisconsin in Oct 2014?

http://www.wpr.org/cougars-return-wisconsin-after-disappearing-state-century-ago (http://www.wpr.org/cougars-return-wisconsin-after-disappearing-state-century-ago)

no, but when the asshole picked me up from the airport yesterday, he asked me if I liked that cougar picture and started laughing.
fucker.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: bmadd on December 02, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
lol
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: driver on December 02, 2015, 10:12:05 AM
Quote from: benben on December 02, 2015, 07:22:29 AM
http://www.defenders.org/publications/red_wolf_identification_guide_for_hunters.pdf (http://www.defenders.org/publications/red_wolf_identification_guide_for_hunters.pdf)
DNA tests suggest the red wolf is likely just a subspecies of coyotes. So basically a glorified coy dog.

Also with the growing population of coyotes in red wolf territory, they expect interbreeding will eventually eliminate the red wolf
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Onslow on December 02, 2015, 10:27:33 AM
Google coyotes / grey wolf hybrids in Va
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 02, 2015, 10:57:25 AM
Pretty much all out eastern coyotes are a coyote/wolf hybrid, per DNA tests. They are twice as big as western yotes, show a lot of color variations, and tend to hunt in packs.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Grannyknot on December 02, 2015, 11:06:25 AM
Quote from: bmadd on December 02, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
lol

I told you that night i texted the picture to you & wmt that i was skeptical.
Then you sent me the TWRA cam picture from upper west, so that made it more believable.

pay back will be a bitch for pops.  That's for sure.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Beetle on December 02, 2015, 11:45:31 AM
I ran across a red wolf and a bear eating a deer along US 64 in the swamp around Columbia.   There was no mistaking it for a coyote but I had the benefit of being 20 ft away ( in a car ).   It's paws were HUGE and its legs were incredibly long.

Recent trail cam pic- Coyote?
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: bmadd on December 02, 2015, 12:19:57 PM
GK - I never would have believed it either if not for the TWRA confirmation nearby. Have fun with that payback!
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 02, 2015, 19:26:13 PM
Around a year ago I visited a friend of mine who resides inside 10 minutes from myself.

After some normal bullshit talk he pulled his phone out, and proceeded to fill me in on a mountain lion story.

A fellow he knows very well that also lives within 20 minutes from myself had been having problems with his beagles disappearing for a week or so. No evidence, no dead dogs. Just missing. After losing several of his rabbits dogs to an unknown source he began to go out at night and wait.

The fella would climb up into his barn loft, lie down on some hay bales that overseen his beagles, and wait. I'm not sure how many nights he did this, but eventually the night came that would solve the mystery.

As he lie there in the loft one night, he fell asleep only to be awaken by his remaining few beagles going ballistic. He trained his rifle and light toward the oncoming intruder, seen eyes, assumed it was a coyote, and sent a bullet down range.

Upon reaching the critter, it was a mountain lion. Big as hell. The animal had been coming out of the woods, traveling across his yard/field,  and leaping over the 6-7 ft. dog lot's chain-linked wall. It would then grab a beagle, turn, and leap back over the fencing, and make its way back into the woods with it's prey.

Back to the storyteller. After he'd finished with this tale, he pulled up a picture on his phone of the fellow with the animal he'd harvested.

Believe.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Pansyman on December 02, 2015, 19:45:32 PM
Did he file a report with DNR for confirmation or just dump the carcass?
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 02, 2015, 19:51:37 PM

Quote from: pansyman on December 02, 2015, 19:45:32 PM
Did he file a report with DNR for confirmation or just dump the carcass?

I have no idea.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dougfish on December 02, 2015, 20:48:25 PM
Then it is bullshit to the masses.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: driver on December 02, 2015, 21:04:45 PM
I agree, once he started telling the story, the NCWRC would have tracked him down and confirmed the sighting. There is still no confirmed sighting of a cougar in NC in 100 years.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 03, 2015, 07:05:05 AM
I think he may have been afraid of getting in trouble for shooting it. Who knows.

I also know an older fella in Allegheny County, NC, who says he's found missing calves 30-40 ft in trees, wedged in forks of limbs for later. Says its big cats. Very honest and straight-forward old farmer.

Dunno.





Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 03, 2015, 07:56:27 AM
Quote from: driver on December 02, 2015, 21:04:45 PM
I agree, once he started telling the story, the NCWRC would have tracked him down and confirmed the sighting. There is still no confirmed sighting of a cougar in NC in 100 years.

Actually, several were killed in the NC mountains in the early 1900s, the last one I am aware of was about 1948 near Robbinsville. There were two cougars killed in eastern NC a couple decades ago, but they were thought to have been released pets, as one had a tattoo in its ear. There was also one pretty much confirmed by the National Park Service a couple decades ago in Cataloochee Valley when a whole trail crew and a couple rangers watched a panther chase a deer across the field below the Palmer House.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: bmadd on December 03, 2015, 15:05:21 PM
http://www.newschannel5.com/news/twra-warns-of-cougar-spotted-on-trail (http://www.newschannel5.com/news/twra-warns-of-cougar-spotted-on-trail)

Another confirmed sighting in West TN. This one is closer to me.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: bmadd on December 12, 2015, 11:11:22 AM
http://newschannel9.com/sports/outdoors/video-more-tennessee-cougar-encounters-dna-tests-confirm-a-female (http://newschannel9.com/sports/outdoors/video-more-tennessee-cougar-encounters-dna-tests-confirm-a-female)

Cougar supposedly wounded in my home county
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on December 13, 2015, 09:39:05 AM

Quote from: bmadd on December 12, 2015, 11:11:22 AM
http://newschannel9.com/sports/outdoors/video-more-tennessee-cougar-encounters-dna-tests-confirm-a-female (http://newschannel9.com/sports/outdoors/video-more-tennessee-cougar-encounters-dna-tests-confirm-a-female)

Cougar supposedly wounded in my home county


You are screwed
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: JMiller on January 08, 2016, 21:30:20 PM
Wtf?

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http://www.idahostatejournal.com/members/mountain-lion-with-bizarre-deformity-found-in-southeast-idaho/article_bf8320d4-3c5b-5546-ad7d-91c1c702eb47.html (http://www.idahostatejournal.com/members/mountain-lion-with-bizarre-deformity-found-in-southeast-idaho/article_bf8320d4-3c5b-5546-ad7d-91c1c702eb47.html)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Big J on August 11, 2016, 12:42:31 PM
http://www.washington.edu/news/2016/07/14/cougars-could-save-lives-by-lowering-vehicle-collisions-with-deer/ (http://www.washington.edu/news/2016/07/14/cougars-could-save-lives-by-lowering-vehicle-collisions-with-deer/)

Interesting read on reintroducing Mountain Lions to reduce deer related auto accidents.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: bmadd on August 20, 2016, 00:52:03 AM
Another confirmed sighting in West TN
https://www.tn.gov/twra/article/cougars-in-tennessee
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 01, 2016, 15:43:04 PM
http://www.blueridgeoutdoors.com/go-outside/are-mountain-lions-back-in-the-blue-ridge/


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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 26, 2016, 11:16:17 AM
Still trying to figure out this illusionary anomaly, but then I listen to any Trump supporter and I then realize it is possible for some of us to be hoodwinked and misled.   

http://www.newsleader.com/story/news/local/2016/10/24/cougar-photo-claims-va-sighting/92679500/
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dougfish on February 17, 2017, 10:22:17 AM
Here, kitty kitty.

http://www.local8now.com/content/news/TWRA-confirms-Cougars-in-Tennessee--413910373.html (http://www.local8now.com/content/news/TWRA-confirms-Cougars-in-Tennessee--413910373.html)

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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: benben reincarnated on February 17, 2017, 10:38:50 AM
@bmadd

Quote from: Dougfish on February 17, 2017, 10:22:17 AM
Here, kitty kitty.

http://www.local8now.com/content/news/TWRA-confirms-Cougars-in-Tennessee--413910373.html (http://www.local8now.com/content/news/TWRA-confirms-Cougars-in-Tennessee--413910373.html)

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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: bmadd on February 17, 2017, 10:52:47 AM
I've only been posting that for over a year now. The location where the hunter shot a cougar is less than 10 miles from my house. Duck hunted around that area a lot back in high school.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Grannyknot on February 17, 2017, 11:31:13 AM
Quote from: bmadd on February 17, 2017, 10:52:47 AM
I've only been posting that for over a year now. The location where the hunter shot a cougar is less than 10 miles from my house. Duck hunted around that area a lot back in high school.

you need to move east where it is safe.
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: bmadd on February 17, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
Quote from: Grannyknot on February 17, 2017, 11:31:13 AM
Quote from: bmadd on February 17, 2017, 10:52:47 AM
I've only been posting that for over a year now. The location where the hunter shot a cougar is less than 10 miles from my house. Duck hunted around that area a lot back in high school.

you need to move east where it is safe.

aww, you miss me
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Grannyknot on February 17, 2017, 13:29:38 PM
Quote from: bmadd on February 17, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
Quote from: Grannyknot on February 17, 2017, 11:31:13 AM
Quote from: bmadd on February 17, 2017, 10:52:47 AM
I've only been posting that for over a year now. The location where the hunter shot a cougar is less than 10 miles from my house. Duck hunted around that area a lot back in high school.

you need to move east where it is safe.

aww, you miss me

i am rescinding my kind offer of sanctuary.  Please stay west of Nashville.  tia
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Post by: bmadd on February 17, 2017, 14:27:44 PM
Quote from: Grannyknot on February 17, 2017, 13:29:38 PM
Quote from: bmadd on February 17, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
Quote from: Grannyknot on February 17, 2017, 11:31:13 AM
Quote from: bmadd on February 17, 2017, 10:52:47 AM
I've only been posting that for over a year now. The location where the hunter shot a cougar is less than 10 miles from my house. Duck hunted around that area a lot back in high school.

you need to move east where it is safe.

aww, you miss me

i am rescinding my kind offer of sanctuary.  Please stay west of Nashville.  tia

I won't stand for this immigrant ban!
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Post by: Dougfish on February 17, 2017, 14:42:31 PM
Quote from: bmadd on February 17, 2017, 10:52:47 AM
I've only been posting that for over a year now.

Nobody likes a know-it-all.
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Post by: bmadd on February 17, 2017, 16:47:53 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on February 17, 2017, 14:42:31 PM
Quote from: bmadd on February 17, 2017, 10:52:47 AM
I've only been posting that for over a year now.

Nobody likes a know-it-all.

Hey you sunburned, flowery, penis head........happy birthday
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Post by: Dougfish on February 17, 2017, 17:06:48 PM
You say the nicest things, bro.
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Post by: 5xTippett on February 19, 2017, 12:34:47 PM
I have seen 2 in SC.  One of them about 30 years ago in Georgetown county and one about a mile from my house a couple of years ago.  The SC DNR still won't admit there are any in here, but a some of the game wardens who are in the woods a bunch have seen them.  I am waiting for some of the people on this board who swore there were none on the East coast outside of Florida to apologize.
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 19, 2017, 17:39:24 PM
Quote from: 5xTippett on February 19, 2017, 12:34:47 PM
I have seen 2 in SC.  One of them about 30 years ago in Georgetown county and one about a mile from my house a couple of years ago.  The SC DNR still won't admit there are any in here, but a some of the game wardens who are in the woods a bunch have seen them.  I am waiting for some of the people on this board who swore there were none on the East coast outside of Florida to apologize.

When the hell was middle and west TN moved to the "East Coast"?

I apologize to all the folks in "Middle or West Tennessee" who have seen mountain lions.  I'll admit they are there.

Ben, if you live long enough, you'll eventually see one in SC, but not a black one as I think you previously professed.   If you're blessed to truly see one in the future and it is confirmed, there will be no need for anyone to apologize.  But I ain't apologizing for something you did not see a few years back or 30 years ago.
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Post by: troutfanatic on February 21, 2017, 20:50:36 PM
Strangely enough, this has been a hot topic in my ecology class. Apparently TN is not the only place they are being spotted. I guess we are are all subject to our own biases. The furthest east I have ever seen one is the Coronado National Forest in AZ. Even then it was only for a moment.


It's a coverup I tell ya
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Post by: driver on February 21, 2017, 20:55:23 PM
Do not click that link. Site has been raped by malware.
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Post by: troutfanatic on February 21, 2017, 21:58:33 PM
Hmmmn? It didn't do shit to my box. It was a pretty good read.
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Post by: driver on February 21, 2017, 22:34:52 PM
Eastern Cougar = Extinct
Western Cougar Vagrants = Yes

http://www.ct.gov/deep/cwp/view.asp?Q=483778 (http://www.ct.gov/deep/cwp/view.asp?Q=483778)
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Post by: Big J on February 22, 2017, 08:55:09 AM
If they are migrating to Tennessee, won't be long till a few start popping up in WV and VA.   I agree with Driver.  Seems like every Mountain Lion killing in Eastern States has been a pet let loose or a Western Mountain Lion.  I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those Mountain Lion sightings in TN was the same Mountain Lion being spotting as it moved across the state. 

Another animal I think we'll be seeing in my part of VA before long is wild boars.  And those worry me more than mountain lions.
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Post by: bmadd on February 22, 2017, 09:31:41 AM
The mountain lion spotted closest to me is the only one I know that they have any DNA from. A bow hunter shot at the animal and wounded it, but never found it. The blood showed that it was a Western subspecies and female, which is what I found interesting. I have read that the males are the typically the ones that travel so far looking for new territory. Is that female following a male?
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Post by: troutfanatic on February 22, 2017, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: driver on February 21, 2017, 22:34:52 PM
Eastern Cougar = Extinct
Western Cougar Vagrants = Yes

http://www.ct.gov/deep/cwp/view.asp?Q=483778 (http://www.ct.gov/deep/cwp/view.asp?Q=483778)

Makes sense to me. That's pretty much what we discussed in class. Same genetics.

J
The article I posted claims they've been spotted in SNP. VDGIF says unlikely.
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Post by: rbphoto on February 22, 2017, 10:34:04 AM
Quote from: Big J on February 22, 2017, 08:55:09 AM
Another animal I think we'll be seeing in my part of VA before long is wild boars.  And those worry me more than mountain lions.

You don't have them yet?  Or you don't have them in significant quantities?

They are more damaging and I believe a bigger invasive issue than mountain lions or coyotes.

Plus, they taste better.
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Post by: Big J on February 22, 2017, 11:08:29 AM
Quote from: rbphoto on February 22, 2017, 10:34:04 AM
Quote from: Big J on February 22, 2017, 08:55:09 AM
Another animal I think we'll be seeing in my part of VA before long is wild boars.  And those worry me more than mountain lions.

You don't have them yet?  Or you don't have them in significant quantities?

They are more damaging and I believe a bigger invasive issue than mountain lions or coyotes.

Plus, they taste better.

Not yet.  I've heard that they are in lowlands of southeast VA but haven't made it to Western VA yet, or at least not in any great numbers.  Only a matter of time though.  Looks like SW VA has a population of them too now. 

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The map has the wild boars pretty darn close to the SNP.  That would be a disaster.  Here is an article I turned up on the SNP.

http://www.nvdaily.com/news/2015/02/plants-pigs-bugs-on-parks-radar/ (http://www.nvdaily.com/news/2015/02/plants-pigs-bugs-on-parks-radar/)
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Post by: benben reincarnated on February 22, 2017, 11:34:59 AM
I've seen traps for them in the smokies and they are more prevalent there in the park than anywhere else in WNC based on the signs of seen of them.  However, I've yet to see any of the traps actively set or managed.  I suspect hunters shoot more of them in the national forest which may explain the lack of signs to an extent.
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Post by: Grannyknot on February 22, 2017, 11:38:28 AM
how far do you think a man could throw a baby wild pig like a football?
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Post by: Big J on February 22, 2017, 11:44:32 AM
Apparently hunters are the problem....

https://www.dgif.virginia.gov/wildlife/feral-hogs/hunting-faq/ (https://www.dgif.virginia.gov/wildlife/feral-hogs/hunting-faq/)
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Post by: Onslow on February 22, 2017, 11:53:55 AM
In central NC, I believe Anson county may be the only County that has a huntable population of feral pigs
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Post by: benben reincarnated on February 22, 2017, 12:19:52 PM
Here's the fucking problem:

Gestation is 114 days, and a sow will give birth to anywhere from 1 to a dozen piglets. She can have 2 litters a year.
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 22, 2017, 12:34:52 PM
The short TN lion article posted earlier by Doug offers some wonderful facts and presents additional questions. 

Check out the map of confirmed TN sightings, all confirmed by hair samples or trail cameras and all west of Nashville.

Why would the migration seem to stop just west of Nashville?     

If I was migrating easterly through TN and my ears started to bleed from all that strident caterwauling we humans call country music, then I'd also slow down and divert.

No, seriously.  Will they scoot on past Nashville, or will they slow down and find another route into the east?   

Will the lions show along the Appalachians any time soon?

  I don't think so and likely for the reason seemingly alluded to by the Knoxville Zoo Director.
They'll eventually be here in my backyard and will likely arrive from the north.

<Zoo Knoxville Director of Animal Care Phil Colclough said it could be several years before more cougars are in our area.

"Obviously they are coming this way there's a few scattered records here and there and I think they will be here at some point, coming down from the north.">
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Post by: Big J on February 22, 2017, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: benben reincarnated on February 22, 2017, 12:19:52 PM
Here's the fucking problem:

Gestation is 114 days, and a sow will give birth to anywhere from 1 to a dozen piglets. She can have 2 litters a year.

Yup.  The statistic was 70% of the population of hogs would have to be killed in order for hunters to reduce the number of hogs a year in a location. 

The hunters creating the new populations of hogs for recreation reasons was what was interesting.
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Post by: bmadd on February 22, 2017, 13:02:14 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 22, 2017, 12:34:52 PM
Why would the migration seem to stop just west of Nashville?     

If I was migrating easterly through TN and my ears started to bleed from all that strident caterwauling we humans call country music, then I'd also slow down and divert.

No, seriously.  Will they scoot on past Nashville, or will they slow down and find another route into the east?   

It appears they are tracking south easternly. I looked at the map was well to try and see if they were possibly following a tributary, and it seems that they were until they cross from West TN in to Middle TN. Cattle farming is big here in West TN and in the southern portion of Middle TN. Calves would pare well with our huge deer population.
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Post by: Grannyknot on February 22, 2017, 13:13:59 PM
Quote from: bmadd on February 22, 2017, 13:02:14 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 22, 2017, 12:34:52 PM
Why would the migration seem to stop just west of Nashville?     

If I was migrating easterly through TN and my ears started to bleed from all that strident caterwauling we humans call country music, then I'd also slow down and divert.

No, seriously.  Will they scoot on past Nashville, or will they slow down and find another route into the east?   

It appears they are tracking south easternly. I looked at the map was well to try and see if they were possibly following a tributary, and it seems that they were until they cross from West TN in to Middle TN. Cattle farming is big here in West TN and in the southern portion of Middle TN. Calves would pare well with our huge deer population.

i'm no geography expert, but there is a large plateau between cookeville and knoxville that they could fall off.
hence forcing them south east.
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Post by: Grannyknot on February 22, 2017, 13:15:15 PM
also they are trying to avoid the plateau wildman imo fwiw iirc etc
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Post by: Dougfish on February 22, 2017, 13:16:46 PM
Quote from: Big J on February 22, 2017, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: benben reincarnated on February 22, 2017, 12:19:52 PM
Here's the fucking problem:

Gestation is 114 days, and a sow will give birth to anywhere from 1 to a dozen piglets. She can have 2 litters a year.

Yup.  The statistic was 70% of the population of hogs would have to be killed in order for hunters to reduce the number of hogs a year in a location. 

The hunters creating the new populations of hogs for recreation reasons was what was interesting.

I have a buddy in a big hunt club near Anderson, SC. In the course of 5 or so years, it went from having a hog hunting season, to year round, to no bag limit, to 24/7/365 hunting with no limit. They are still over run. Too smart, too elusive, too adaptable, too prolific.
I saw a picture of a 365 lb. field dressed boar he shot. If I ran into that on a blueline, I'd shit my pants.  :o           
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 22, 2017, 13:33:58 PM
Here is my opinion, which is useless as a white crayon, on the arrival of mountain lions to our mountainous area.  I believe they will likely follow the routes of the yotes.
Title: Are you being watched?
Post by: Dee-Vo on February 22, 2017, 13:40:15 PM
I've been invited to shoot the hogs in other states. All night hunts with lights and atvs. I've never taken the opportunity, but they say you wouldn't believe the numbers unless you see them for yourself.
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Post by: benben reincarnated on February 22, 2017, 13:51:23 PM
Hogs started overrunning my family's property in west central Georgia about 20 years ago.  They've since gotten way out of hand and by my dad's own admission it's affecting the deer population.  Just recently my dad has a hog hunter come onto the property, hunts them with dogs and then spears the hogs by hand once they get cornered.  The hunter gives a portion of the meat to my dad when he processes them.
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Post by: Michael Toris on February 22, 2017, 14:08:14 PM
Quote from: Grannyknot on February 22, 2017, 11:38:28 AM
how far do you think a man could throw a baby wild pig like a football?
Me? Maybe 20 feet.

Peyton? Qtr Mile easy
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Post by: troutfanatic on February 22, 2017, 14:19:22 PM
I don't know much about coyotes. We had a discussion in Ecology and a few semesters ago in population genetics, that basically said most coyotes around here did not come via migration. The Prof said they have "Texas genetics". They were imported here to train hunting dogs and be hunted for sport.

I think the root of the animosity in this thread comes from a lack of understanding of speciation, but I ain't going there because my knowledge is weak on it.

No bullshit, true story, I was going for a run one morning on Fort Huachuca near the Coronado NF and I got chased by pack of Javelinas. They are apparently very protective of their young and can run fast, I can't. They also bite. I wasn't about to try and chuck one.
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Post by: Grannyknot on February 22, 2017, 14:22:13 PM
those little baby pigs are cute af.
i would cuddle one.
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Post by: troutfanatic on February 22, 2017, 14:23:52 PM
they're tender.
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Post by: bmadd on February 22, 2017, 14:47:51 PM
Quote from: Grannyknot on February 22, 2017, 14:22:13 PM
those little baby pigs are cute af.
i would cuddle one.
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Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 22, 2017, 14:51:55 PM
Quote from: troutfanatic on February 22, 2017, 14:19:22 PM
I think the root of the animosity in this thread comes from a lack of understanding of speciation, but I ain't going there because my knowledge is weak on it.

Animosity?  I don't see any hostility or bitterness in this thread.  Having said that, I often fail to grasp subtleties because of stout indifference or lack of simple sagaciousness.   
   
Please clarify.   
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Post by: troutfanatic on February 22, 2017, 15:02:29 PM
Referring to the whole I saw it, no you didn't exchanges early in the thread.

At least 3 different big cats discussed in here and where they are known to be versus where people think they might be. Lots of anger. I don't do anger no more.

Eastern Cougars- likely gone
Western Cougars- coming east.
Panthers- can't seem to escape Florida

Allopatric speciation
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Post by: Onslow on February 22, 2017, 17:50:41 PM
Quote from: troutfanatic on February 22, 2017, 14:19:22 PM
I don't know much about coyotes. We had a discussion in Ecology and a few semesters ago in population genetics, that basically said most coyotes around here did not come via migration.

The key component of your remark is "around here".  Don't think that is the case in the New and 'doah valleys.
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Post by: troutfanatic on February 22, 2017, 18:10:55 PM
Probably so. "Dogging", is an alien practice to me. To each their own. I understand it is legal not too far from my house.
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Post by: ptfranze on February 23, 2017, 10:42:06 AM
Looks like Texas is tired of the feral pig problem....Pig poison what could go wrong?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-feral-pigs-time-hog-153314975.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-feral-pigs-time-hog-153314975.html)
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Post by: troutfanatic on February 24, 2017, 17:20:31 PM
a question for Mudwall  unless someone beats him to it.

Don't know much about swine behavior, but I can tell you all about transgenic uses for them and vaccine development.

Curious, is this population boom, solely attributed to high reproduction rates or is there much more to it? A vacant niche?  I recently read that killing coyotes leads to more coyotes, basically it has to do with hierarchy and resource availability. Then again, a hog will eat just about anything.
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Post by: Onslow on February 24, 2017, 17:52:01 PM
Quote from: troutfanatic on February 24, 2017, 17:20:31 PM
a question for Mudwall  unless someone beats him to it.

Don't know much about swine behavior, but I can tell you all about transgenic uses for them and vaccine development.

Curious, is this population boom, solely attributed to high reproduction rates or is there much more to it? A vacant niche?  I recently read that killing coyotes leads to more coyotes, basically it has to do with hierarchy and resource availability. Then again, a hog will eat just about anything.

At a glance, it appears feral hogs thrive and increase in population where row crops are available.  According to what I've heard from those who live near Troy and Biscoe, and hunt them, northward progress through and past the Uwharries has been slow.  There are a few in northern Montgomery county, but the food is simply not there as it is in Anson.  I'm not seeing feral swine doing well in Rowan or Chatham counties where pastures dominate the landscape.  I seriously doubt they will thrive in plantation pine forests either.
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 24, 2017, 17:57:28 PM
I know nothing about pigs, other than I fed my grandparent's hogs when I was young.   

Earlier this month, I purchased half a pig from a little known source.  I got ~ 300 lbs of pork for a very good price.  The ribs are tasty and tender, the chops (no matter what you do to them) are tough as a rubber tire, and the sausage is tasty but extremely lean.  I think I got parts from different pigs.
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Post by: troutfanatic on February 24, 2017, 18:30:12 PM
Quote from: Onslow on February 24, 2017, 17:52:01 PM
Quote from: troutfanatic on February 24, 2017, 17:20:31 PM
a question for Mudwall  unless someone beats him to it.

Don't know much about swine behavior, but I can tell you all about transgenic uses for them and vaccine development.

Curious, is this population boom, solely attributed to high reproduction rates or is there much more to it? A vacant niche?  I recently read that killing coyotes leads to more coyotes, basically it has to do with hierarchy and resource availability. Then again, a hog will eat just about anything.

At a glance, it appears feral hogs thrive and increase in population where row crops are available.  According to what I've heard from those who live near Troy and Biscoe, and hunt them, northward progress through and past the Uwharries has been slow.  There are a few in northern Montgomery county, but the food is simply not there as it is in Anson.  I'm not seeing feral swine doing well in Rowan or Chatham counties where pastures dominate the landscape.  I seriously doubt they will thrive in plantation pine forests either.

yep it seems to be the whole "generalist- I'll eat almost anything" applies. Crop plots are good living. I haven't spent much time around the U in the last 10 years, but I know they are in the neighboring agricultural areas.

enjoy your vittles mudwall, and don't let no one tell you pork isn't healthy.
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Post by: ptfranze on March 03, 2017, 09:33:14 AM
Jaguars trying to make a comeback out west....wouldn't want to run across one of these in the wild
https://www.yahoo.com/news/agency-reports-rare-jaguar-sighting-mountains-arizona-181447625.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/agency-reports-rare-jaguar-sighting-mountains-arizona-181447625.html)
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Post by: Dougfish on March 03, 2017, 09:47:48 AM
"El Jefe" — Spanish for "the boss"   d:b
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Post by: Yallerhammer on March 03, 2017, 10:18:45 AM
Quote from: Onslow on February 24, 2017, 17:52:01 PM
Quote from: troutfanatic on February 24, 2017, 17:20:31 PM
a question for Mudwall  unless someone beats him to it.

Don't know much about swine behavior, but I can tell you all about transgenic uses for them and vaccine development.

Curious, is this population boom, solely attributed to high reproduction rates or is there much more to it? A vacant niche?  I recently read that killing coyotes leads to more coyotes, basically it has to do with hierarchy and resource availability. Then again, a hog will eat just about anything.

At a glance, it appears feral hogs thrive and increase in population where row crops are available.  According to what I've heard from those who live near Troy and Biscoe, and hunt them, northward progress through and past the Uwharries has been slow.  There are a few in northern Montgomery county, but the food is simply not there as it is in Anson.  I'm not seeing feral swine doing well in Rowan or Chatham counties where pastures dominate the landscape.  I seriously doubt they will thrive in plantation pine forests either.

I have hog hunted areas of south Georgia where there are no row crops, just swamps and palmetto thickets, and the pigs are thick as hops. Like seeing a hundred a weekend thick. Same with the pine plantation belt of SC. I get trail cam pics of them frequently on my little place in SC with no agriculture except pine trees within miles. There is also a good population of pretty much pure-strain Russian boar here in the Smokies.
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Post by: driver on March 03, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: ptfranze on March 03, 2017, 09:33:14 AM
Jaguars trying to make a comeback out west....wouldn't want to run across one of these in the wild
https://www.yahoo.com/news/agency-reports-rare-jaguar-sighting-mountains-arizona-181447625.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/agency-reports-rare-jaguar-sighting-mountains-arizona-181447625.html)
Yet another reason the border wall is a bad idea.
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 03, 2017, 14:15:28 PM
Quote from: driver on March 03, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: ptfranze on March 03, 2017, 09:33:14 AM
Jaguars trying to make a comeback out west....wouldn't want to run across one of these in the wild
https://www.yahoo.com/news/agency-reports-rare-jaguar-sighting-mountains-arizona-181447625.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/agency-reports-rare-jaguar-sighting-mountains-arizona-181447625.html)
Yet another reason the border wall is a bad idea.

Two jaguars in the vastness of SW US and both were documented by photos.  Where the hell are the photos of all those mountain lions sighted in VA, NC, SC, and eastern TN?   Bullshit is what I say!!!!!
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Post by: Grannyknot on March 03, 2017, 15:10:18 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on March 03, 2017, 10:18:45 AM
There is also a good population of pretty much pure-strain Russian boar here in the Smokies.

My first ever backpacking trip in the park, we were sitting around the fire at night and these dudes with rifles came up the trail.
Scared the crap out of us.  Said they were contracted by the park service to kill hogs.  Had night vision goggles too. 
Seemed like a cool job at the time.
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Post by: Onslow on March 03, 2017, 16:24:36 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 03, 2017, 14:15:28 PM
Quote from: driver on March 03, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: ptfranze on March 03, 2017, 09:33:14 AM
Jaguars trying to make a comeback out west....wouldn't want to run across one of these in the wild
https://www.yahoo.com/news/agency-reports-rare-jaguar-sighting-mountains-arizona-181447625.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/agency-reports-rare-jaguar-sighting-mountains-arizona-181447625.html)
Yet another reason the border wall is a bad idea.

Two jaguars in the vastness of SW US and both were documented by photos.  Where the hell are the photos of all those mountain lions sighted in VA, NC, SC, and eastern TN?   Bullshit is what I say!!!!!

Unlike the wooded and foggy Apps, one can actually see shit across the vastness of semi arid landscape..go figure.  Have you not ever spent any time out there?
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 03, 2017, 16:48:21 PM
Quote from: Onslow on March 03, 2017, 16:24:36 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 03, 2017, 14:15:28 PM
Quote from: driver on March 03, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: ptfranze on March 03, 2017, 09:33:14 AM
Jaguars trying to make a comeback out west....wouldn't want to run across one of these in the wild
https://www.yahoo.com/news/agency-reports-rare-jaguar-sighting-mountains-arizona-181447625.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/agency-reports-rare-jaguar-sighting-mountains-arizona-181447625.html)
Yet another reason the border wall is a bad idea.

Two jaguars in the vastness of SW US and both were documented by photos.  Where the hell are the photos of all those mountain lions sighted in VA, NC, SC, and eastern TN?   Bullshit is what I say!!!!!

Unlike the wooded and foggy Apps, one can actually see shit across the vastness of semi arid landscape..go figure.  Have you not ever spent any time out there?


The distance of the jaguar from the camera seems to be a few feet.  I believe a few feet in the US SW is the same as a few feet in the Appalachians.  Besides, most of the jaguar photos are at night; I don't see how the vistas of semi-arid landscapes have anything to do with the close-up photos.  And the one daylight photo I saw, you'd be hard pressed to distinguish the thick vegetation from veg around here.   
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Post by: driver on March 03, 2017, 19:26:12 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 03, 2017, 14:15:28 PM
Quote from: driver on March 03, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: ptfranze on March 03, 2017, 09:33:14 AM
Jaguars trying to make a comeback out west....wouldn't want to run across one of these in the wild
https://www.yahoo.com/news/agency-reports-rare-jaguar-sighting-mountains-arizona-181447625.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/agency-reports-rare-jaguar-sighting-mountains-arizona-181447625.html)
Yet another reason the border wall is a bad idea.

Two jaguars in the vastness of SW US and both were documented by photos.  Where the hell are the photos of all those mountain lions sighted in VA, NC, SC, and eastern TN?   Bullshit is what I say!!!!!
Valid point!
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Post by: ptfranze on March 03, 2017, 22:27:44 PM

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Two jaguars in the vastness of SW US and both were documented by photos.  Where the hell are the photos of all those mountain lions sighted in VA, NC, SC, and eastern TN?   Bullshit is what I say!!!!!
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Very good point.  As much as I want to believe they are here, even from a story my aunt tells, who was a park ranger at Elk Knob, it is hard to believe that NO ONE seems to have a picture from any of the many trail cameras that are out for hunting.  Still fingers crossed! 
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 04, 2017, 08:34:31 AM
Quote from: ptfranze on March 03, 2017, 22:27:44 PM
Very good point.  As much as I want to believe they are here, even from a story my aunt tells, who was a park ranger at Elk Knob, it is hard to believe that NO ONE seems to have a picture from any of the many trail cameras that are out for hunting.  Still fingers crossed!

Don't be too hard on your auntie. 

Conscious self-deception, delusion --- call it what you want.  Call it confabulation.  People will continue to believe what they want to believe.  There are, maybe, a handful of ideas and/or entities that I believe in without any true evidence, but mountain lions in the Appalachians, unicorns on North Korea, or Grayson having a penis, ain't one of them.   
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Post by: Phil on March 04, 2017, 09:33:56 AM
My wife and I both saw a mountain lion last year here in the High Country of N.C. I'm not making it up. We had just finished a picnic lunch and walked a little way down a trail -- there it was. A mountain lion. We also saw a bear. No shit.


After that, we walked across the swinging bridge and then went into the Grandfather Mountain gift shop.  :D
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Post by: driver on March 04, 2017, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: Phil on March 04, 2017, 09:33:56 AM
My wife and I both saw a mountain lion last year here in the High Country of N.C. I'm not making it up. We had just finished a picnic lunch and walked a little way down a trail -- there it was. A mountain lion. We also saw a bear. No shit.


After that, we walked across the swinging bridge and then went into the Grandfather Mountain gift shop.  :D
Haha. Thats probably the one everyone has been seeing around there. [emoji122]

I had a moment of disillusion once down east once. After passing a very large dead cat on the side of the road at that appeared to have a very long tail at 70mph, I turned around with boat in tow to look again. It was just a large bobcat with its leg stretched out behind it, causing the illusion of a tail. If something like that can make a skeptic like me do a U-turn with my boat, (which I hate doing) I can't imagine what a non-skeptic would believe.

There is a crazy man outside of Marion, NC I met one day will scouting a stream. This guy swears there is a bigfoot living in the NF behind his house. And after a bit of research this guy completely believes black bears are bigfoot. Sorry to disappoint JMiller. Look this guy up Tom Burnette he is a total wack job.

If you believe in something enough it becomes true to you. Kinda like religion.
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Post by: JMiller on March 04, 2017, 14:58:04 PM
I only watched like a minute of this (I forget how to embed video).

Seems legit.  :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPMQ9ioJtLY

I've got to get to work, but can't wait to see the rest.
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Post by: Michael Toris on March 04, 2017, 17:00:12 PM
Quote from: JMiller on March 04, 2017, 14:58:04 PM
I only watched like a minute of this (I forget how to embed video).

Seems legit.  [emoji23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPMQ9ioJtLY

I've got to get to work, but can't wait to see the rest.
My next field trip will be with Tom Burnett. The hotmail address shows me he's legit. Count me as a Squacher
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Post by: Dee-Vo on March 04, 2017, 19:20:59 PM
LOL

I can't believe I watched that whole video. I honestly admire his passion.
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Post by: driver on March 04, 2017, 19:24:58 PM
I didn't  watch the video, in a place where i can't. But did he mention the baby squatch he found? This was the story where I decided I need to GTFO,  and not because i need to get away from squatches
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Post by: Dee-Vo on March 04, 2017, 19:28:40 PM
Yep, a baby squatch was involved. You can also purchase his publication via Amazon.com.
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Post by: JMiller on March 04, 2017, 19:32:33 PM
Best quote:

"I believe there are different species of these creatures, like humans. Just like we have a black man, white man, a Chinese and an Indian."

:laugh:
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Post by: Dee-Vo on March 04, 2017, 19:52:13 PM
I liked the frog offering part.
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Post by: Dee-Vo on March 04, 2017, 20:31:04 PM
Mr. Burnette has also photographed what is likely a tiger or very well fed mountain lion.

http://youtu.be/Vy_9G2lVXwU

http://youtu.be/Dcxm1sv_FcI

I was stacking some rocks on a big em-banquet.

The Sasquatch surgically removed the foreskin of the frog's front hand.

I like this guy. I called the phone number he provided. It went to a lady's voicemail. Her name was Jenny.

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Post by: Michael Toris on March 04, 2017, 21:10:51 PM
I'm addicted to this shit. Its awesome
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Post by: Dee-Vo on March 04, 2017, 22:31:30 PM
I never knew jellyfish could be found in that forest. Learn something everyday.
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Post by: Michael Toris on March 05, 2017, 02:50:37 AM
I wonder why he didn't take the frogs?
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Post by: Dee-Vo on March 05, 2017, 03:04:54 AM
Dunno. Maybe he likes the foreskin still on his frog legs? For flavor....
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Post by: Dee-Vo on March 05, 2017, 03:08:38 AM
I'm glad he released the baby squatch back to its mother for humanitarian reasons. Pretty cool he found that baby one in his yard.
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Post by: itieuglyflies on March 05, 2017, 08:03:38 AM
Everyone should know squatch  babies are reared in the mother ship, I am surprised this guy wasn't aware of the connection. I hear they also raise mountain lions on the mother ship as pets for the youngsters. This connection to aliens is mostly overlooked by the main stream  media.
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Post by: driver on March 05, 2017, 08:40:08 AM
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Post by: Michael Toris on March 05, 2017, 09:44:52 AM
I wonder how big of a dick ole Sasquatch has? HAWG or nah iyo?
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Post by: Dee-Vo on March 05, 2017, 10:28:30 AM
Wonder where he keeps it hid?
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Post by: NCsporksman on March 05, 2017, 11:32:49 AM
Probably more of a red rocket type of deal

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Post by: Dee-Vo on March 05, 2017, 12:00:28 PM
This may shed some light.

http://www.berggorilla.org/en/gorillas/general/social-life/wie-sehen-die-geschlechtsorgane-eines-silberrueckenmanns-aus/
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Post by: Dee-Vo on March 05, 2017, 12:09:11 PM
We are at the baby doctor. Just realized the doctor behind me seen this on my phone screen while I had my back to him. Great.

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Post by: driver on March 05, 2017, 16:56:53 PM
Well this has become rather ghey.
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Post by: Michael Toris on March 05, 2017, 17:18:34 PM
Quote from: NCsporksman on March 05, 2017, 11:32:49 AM
Probably more of a red rocket type of deal

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Lol
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Post by: JMiller on March 05, 2017, 21:39:41 PM
If you're up for some light reading, download the Ouachita Project Monograph, from the North American Woodape Conservancy (NAWAC). The only conservationist group DEDICATED to the protection of the Sasquatch. 

http://woodape.org/index.php/our-research/projects/248-opmonograph
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Post by: driver on March 05, 2017, 22:24:11 PM
Quote from: JMiller on March 05, 2017, 21:39:41 PM
If you're up for some light reading, download the Ouachita Project Monograph, from the North American Woodape Conservancy (NAWAC). The only conservationist group DEDICATED to the protection of the Sasquatch. 

http://woodape.org/index.php/our-research/projects/248-opmonograph

I'm good.. I'll get cliff notes from Tom..
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 06, 2017, 11:49:19 AM
Quote from: JMiller on March 05, 2017, 21:39:41 PM
If you're up for some light reading, download the Ouachita Project Monograph, from the North American Woodape Conservancy (NAWAC). The only conservationist group DEDICATED to the protection of the Sasquatch. 

http://woodape.org/index.php/our-research/projects/248-opmonograph

Interesting.  I was going to join this Wood Ape Conservancy, until I took a gander at their "team".  Nothing but a bunch of white swinging units, no women, no color – no diversity, so I ain't joining!!

http://woodape.org/index.php/about-us/meet-the-team
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Post by: Yallerhammer on March 06, 2017, 12:45:36 PM
That one feller looks a little transgendered to me.....
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Post by: troutfanatic on March 07, 2017, 11:37:29 AM
Wildlife officials found pussy in Kentucky.

http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/Fish-and-wildlife-officials-reportedly-euthanized-a-mountain-lion-Monday-in-Bourbon-Co-285957541.html
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Post by: ptfranze on March 07, 2017, 11:45:05 AM
Quote from: troutfanatic on March 07, 2017, 11:37:29 AM
Wildlife officials found pussy in Kentucky.

http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/Fish-and-wildlife-officials-reportedly-euthanized-a-mountain-lion-Monday-in-Bourbon-Co-285957541.html

No way in hell someone was keeping that thing as a pet.  What a dumb thing to add to the article.  Also why kill it?  Who cares if it might get away before you get tranq darts
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Post by: driver on March 07, 2017, 12:48:37 PM
People keep them as pets. My dad dated a woman that had a Jaguar (not the car)
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Post by: Phil on March 07, 2017, 13:02:12 PM
Quote from: driver on March 07, 2017, 12:48:37 PM
People keep them as pets. My date dated a woman that had a Jaguar (not the car)

Hmmmm. Sounds like there's a story in there somewhere....
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 07, 2017, 13:11:21 PM
Quote from: driver on March 07, 2017, 12:48:37 PM
People keep them as pets. My date dated a woman that had a Jaguar (not the car)

My date dated??

Thumbs up on the ménage a  trois.  Menage a quatre, if you include the jaguar.  Cool!!
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Post by: driver on March 07, 2017, 16:58:51 PM
**corrected






Dickheads..... 0:0
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Post by: JMiller on March 18, 2017, 16:52:02 PM
Saw this place from the interstate in southern Georgia yesterday, and had to stop. It was a long drive coming back from Legoland, and the wife was not amused.


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Post by: Dougfish on March 18, 2017, 17:06:44 PM
High five!  :laugh:
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Post by: driver on March 18, 2017, 17:56:55 PM
Nerd!
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Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 08, 2017, 11:36:23 AM
http://nypost.com/2017/08/08/hikers-record-terrifying-encounter-with-mountain-lion/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app


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Post by: driver on August 08, 2017, 11:47:19 AM
Nice kitty.
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Post by: driver on June 18, 2018, 07:40:16 AM
I suspect this is one of Ben's relatives

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/18/it-was-either-me-or-the-cat-georgia-woman-kills-rabid-bobcat-with-her-bare-hands/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d40183621fc1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/18/it-was-either-me-or-the-cat-georgia-woman-kills-rabid-bobcat-with-her-bare-hands/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d40183621fc1)
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Post by: BRFFF on August 08, 2018, 11:15:50 AM
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Woman fires at big cat she thought she saw eating her dog, Wilkesboro police reporthttp://via.wghp.com/nHsKR


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Post by: driver on August 08, 2018, 12:38:28 PM
I don't know how these idiots make it from day to day.
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Post by: Big J on September 12, 2018, 08:21:29 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/09/12/missing-oregon-hiker-was-killed-in-states-first-fatal-wild-cougar-attack-authorities-say/?utm_term=.569d46915f2e (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/09/12/missing-oregon-hiker-was-killed-in-states-first-fatal-wild-cougar-attack-authorities-say/?utm_term=.569d46915f2e)




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Post by: Big J on October 26, 2018, 13:26:20 PM
https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/MIDNR/bulletins/216f05b (https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/MIDNR/bulletins/216f05b)



Michigan has a confirmed Cougar.  Interesting read.
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Post by: BRFFF on January 17, 2019, 05:36:04 AM
https://www.sci-techuniverse.com/2019/01/eastern-puma-officially-declared-extinct.html?m=1

The Eastern Puma has been officially declared extinct.

The majestic large cats historically roamed every state of the US east of the Mississippi River.

But in the latest devastating news from the animal kingdom, the US Fish and Wildlife Service declared the animals extinct on Sunday, removing the Eastern puma from the list of endangered species for the last time.


http://www.planetexperts.com/eastern-puma-declared-extinct-removed-from-endangered-species-list/#tab0

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Post by: Big J on February 05, 2019, 15:52:04 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47136308 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47136308)

This jogger killed a mountain lion with his bear hands.  Suffocated it after being attacked from behind. I have no idea how he is able to run with balls so big. 
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Post by: Phil on February 05, 2019, 16:54:03 PM
Dayum, Big J.  :o Gotta share that one.
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Post by: itieuglyflies on February 05, 2019, 20:02:10 PM
You might be surprised how strong you could be too with a cougar chewing on your face! Now let's see if he gets charged with cruelty to that poor kitty....oh it wasn't a California, he should be OK.
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Post by: BRFFF on February 06, 2019, 09:03:05 AM
Only an 80 lb Juvenile, lucky it wasn't full grown! Still waiting for PETA to chime in.


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Post by: Big J on February 06, 2019, 09:32:57 AM
Quote from: BRFFF on February 06, 2019, 09:03:05 AM
Only an 80 lb Juvenile, lucky it wasn't full grown! Still waiting for PETA to chime in.


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Still impressive.  Most joggers and trail runners I know weigh under 100 lbs with no muscle.  Still think a mountain lion being choked out by a runner knocks it down a few rungs in the predator ladder.
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Post by: Pansyman on February 10, 2019, 13:48:00 PM
Whole Leigh Phukkin Chit
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Post by: Big J on February 13, 2019, 10:46:45 AM
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/13/africa/kenya-rare-black-leopard-black-panther/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F (https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/13/africa/kenya-rare-black-leopard-black-panther/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F)

Neat find
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Post by: Beetle on February 13, 2019, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: Big J on February 13, 2019, 10:46:45 AMhttps://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/13/africa/kenya-rare-black-leopard-black-panther/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F (https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/13/africa/kenya-rare-black-leopard-black-panther/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F)

Neat find

That's a house cat......
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Post by: Dougfish on February 13, 2019, 11:16:16 AM
Domestic Panther.

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Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 19, 2019, 09:12:46 AM
Man says he saw cougar deemed ‘extinct’ in NC â€" and others say they’ve seen it, too

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article228080404.html
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 19, 2019, 09:23:17 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 19, 2019, 09:12:46 AMMan says he saw cougar deemed ‘extinct’ in NC â€" and others say they’ve seen it, too

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article228080404.html



Bossman, you need to duplicate this post in the joke thread, or that thread documenting folks doing stupid stuff. 
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Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 31, 2021, 06:14:25 AM
Bigfoot hunting proposal has Sasquatch enthusiasts crying foul

https://nypost.com/2021/01/30/bigfoot-hunting-proposal-has-sasquatch-enthusiasts-crying-foul/
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 31, 2021, 08:33:42 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on January 31, 2021, 06:14:25 AMBigfoot hunting proposal has Sasquatch enthusiasts crying foul

https://nypost.com/2021/01/30/bigfoot-hunting-proposal-has-sasquatch-enthusiasts-crying-foul/

<The first sighting came on a favorite hiking trail at night. Robusto had a night-vision monocular light, scoping out wildlife. Instead, he came across a Bigfoot climbing down a tree about 60 feet in front of him. "I was watching it — and it blinked at me.">

http://youtu.be/Q_4bp8bBNVw
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Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 06, 2021, 19:01:53 PM
Florida Turkey hunters encounter fighting panthers

https://youtu.be/o24I6zxeh9U
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Post by: Big J on September 30, 2021, 12:23:16 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUaRKXTgrpD/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CUaRKXTgrpD/)
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Post by: Trout Maharishi on September 30, 2021, 14:54:00 PM
I'm not sure but I think a warning shot may have resolved the problem?
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 30, 2021, 15:25:06 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on September 30, 2021, 14:54:00 PMI'm not sure but I think a warning shot may have resolved the problem?

I agree with TM.  How any rounds does this auto hold?  Surely a shot or two or three in front of the cat would have sent the kitty scampering. 

The cat "pounced" or the cat "went to pounce"?  And if the cat did pounce, why was he in the same spot, not forward toward the shooter that I can see?

I ain't impressed!  And if you are going to hang a "mother fucker" on a critter, reserve it for the one's with 2 legs.   
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Post by: driver on September 30, 2021, 17:12:35 PM
That guy is a tool. Just another gun weirdo looking for a reason to shoot something. A warning shot(s) would have sent that cat running  for miles. If you are going into cat country you should learn yourself what to do if you encounter a cougar.
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Post by: Big J on September 30, 2021, 18:46:10 PM
I'm kind of of the opinion that any animal that hunts or stalks a human probably is at the point of needing to be put down. But what do I know.
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Post by: Trout Maharishi on September 30, 2021, 20:48:48 PM
She is just like a lot of other young cats, curious and maybe a little confused. She could have jumped up in his face in a single bound. I don't know why he didn't back up to try and create some space. I've seen a hand full over the years but never one that close. Hard to say what I would have done face to face. Here's what the guy that shot her said

"I've been hesitant to post this, mainly because of my personal feelings surrounding the situation. I just wanted her to walk away. The incident was cleared by CPW and I'm fortunate to walk away unscathed and only traumatized.
The short story is, I was archery elk hunting here in CO and this cat was hunting me. I saw it about the moment I started recording, except a moment before in a creep/hunt stance. I was sitting and already had my phone in hand. I quickly drew my Glock and hit record on my phone. I was in a bad position and it was a face to face, fight or flight moment for the cat and I, we both stood our ground. As I'm talking to it in defense mode, it is obvious that she was confused and curious. At only 4 yards she decided to come closer, this is when I dropped my phone to place my other hand on my gun. There was a definitive change in posture and body language from the cat, as she decided to proceed with the attack, crouching to leap. In a micro split of a second she came forward and the pressure on my trigger broke the sear, landing a shot that would dispatch her immediately. There is no question of her intentions, and for that I am angry. I just wanted her to walk away. It is my contention that she was young and stupid, and possibly a bit hungry; however, she was such a beautiful creature and there is no honor by me in her death. Fear for your life in a fraction of a second and you will understand the emotions. Self defense sucks!"

#mountainlion #cougar #puma #lion #colorado #backcountry #hunting
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Post by: Dee-Vo on October 01, 2021, 10:27:03 AM
This reminds me of the deer (or other game) hunters that shoot an animal when it enters a baited area only to cut its head off to show off the antler size. No meat used. Just throw it in the ditch.

Hang it on the wall! Look at this monster I killed! What a challenge that was!
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Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 18, 2021, 10:52:04 AM
The FBI Will Neither Confirm Nor Deny the Existence of These Documents I Just Printed
The FBI once acknowledged the existence of surveillance NDAs. Now it won't.

Lawyers for the American Civil Liberties Union are fighting to uncover more about the FBI's role in helping local police acquire powerful cellphone surveillance devices known widely as "stingrays." The true scope of their use against Americans has, by design, remained a closely guarded secret for more than a decade. This is thanks to secrecy requirements devised by the federal government, which police departments and prosecutors have followed to an extreme.

In a lawsuit filed this week in Manhattan federal court, the ACLU accuses the FBI of violating the nation's freedom of information law by refusing to even acknowledge the existence of any documents that contractually prohibit police from disclosing information about stingrays. Should there be any doubt, these documents do, in fact, exist. I should know. I'm staring at several of them right now.


https://gizmodo.com/fbi-will-neither-confirm-nor-deny-the-existence-of-thes-1848234939


In another story...

Boston police bought spy tech with a pot of money hidden from the public


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Post by: Big J on July 25, 2022, 09:54:22 AM
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/several-jaguars-roam-arizona-mexico-borderlands (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/several-jaguars-roam-arizona-mexico-borderlands)

Another link that might work better for some.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/a-few-jaguars-now-roam-the-arizona-borderlands-why-that-s-a-big-deal/ar-AAZW9lO?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=963e6d1230a5434dbf7d326c5977dc14 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/a-few-jaguars-now-roam-the-arizona-borderlands-why-that-s-a-big-deal/ar-AAZW9lO?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=963e6d1230a5434dbf7d326c5977dc14)

Neat article on Jaguars venturing into US again.
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Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 25, 2022, 07:20:01 AM
Bigfoot has been 'spotted' more than 100 times in North Carolina, Bigfoot Field Researchers say

HIGH POINT, N.C. (WGHP) — Have you seen a 7-foot-tall, bipedal, ape-like creature walking around the Tar Heel State?

Well, it may not be as far-fetched as it may sound relative to other places in the country.

According to BetOhio.com, North Carolina ranks 17th among the lower 48 states in reported bigfoot sightings.

However, those numbers could be on the rise as alleged Bigfoot sightings have been reported in both North and South Carolina within the last month.

North Carolina also has more Bigfoot sightings than most of its neighboring states with the exception of Georgia.

According to The Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization (https://bfro.net/GDB/default.asp), there have been 107 reported sightings of Bigfoot in North Carolina. The most recent of which occurred in Orange County on July 1.


https://myfox8.com/offbeat/bigfoot-has-been-spotted-more-than-100-times-in-north-carolina-bigfoot-field-researchers-say/
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 25, 2022, 15:18:01 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on December 18, 2021, 10:52:04 AMThe FBI Will Neither Confirm Nor Deny the Existence of These Documents I Just Printed
The FBI once acknowledged the existence of surveillance NDAs. Now it won't.

Lawyers for the American Civil Liberties Union are fighting to uncover more about the FBI's role in helping local police acquire powerful cellphone surveillance devices known widely as "stingrays." The true scope of their use against Americans has, by design, remained a closely guarded secret for more than a decade. This is thanks to secrecy requirements devised by the federal government, which police departments and prosecutors have followed to an extreme.

In a lawsuit filed this week in Manhattan federal court, the ACLU accuses the FBI of violating the nation's freedom of information law by refusing to even acknowledge the existence of any documents that contractually prohibit police from disclosing information about stingrays. Should there be any doubt, these documents do, in fact, exist. I should know. I'm staring at several of them right now.


https://gizmodo.com/fbi-will-neither-confirm-nor-deny-the-existence-of-thes-1848234939


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Boston police bought spy tech with a pot of money hidden from the public
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Edward Snowden changed the way think about phones and computers years ago. When he talked about hiding his smart phone under a pillow so it couldn't see him typing things like his passwords on random devices I knew privacy no longer exists. https://youtu.be/0dGqR4ue8dg (https://youtu.be/0dGqR4ue8dg)
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 17, 2022, 18:51:36 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmFK7r1vLBP/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=
Title: Re: Are you being watched?
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 04, 2023, 09:34:42 AM
'Best Proof Yeti': Female 'Bigfoot' Photographed 'Carrying Beastly Baby Through Woods on Her Back'

High-resolution images of what many are claiming to be Bigfoot have surfaced online, once again rekindling heated debates on the subject.

Knewz.com has learned that the pictures in question were captured in upstate New York, and show an alleged Sasquatch with what appears to be a baby on its back.

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