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This Ain't Necessarily Fly Fishing => Gear Reviews => Topic started by: sanjuanwormhatch on October 20, 2014, 15:02:14 PM

Title: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: sanjuanwormhatch on October 20, 2014, 15:02:14 PM
Anyone know of any 'glass switch rods currently on the market?  I know that echo is releasing some next year but looking for something now. 
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: bmadd on October 20, 2014, 15:14:32 PM
I think the only currently available are custom rods, unnless their's a vintage model I'm not aware of. I know James Green out in Cali rolls glass switch blanks and I think CTS does and I know Swift is offering some now as well.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: RiverbumCO on October 20, 2014, 15:21:37 PM
Yea Epic has one in the works.  Glass has a good action for the spey cast.  My biggest problem was moving too fast thru the setup.  Glass would force you to slow up.  What are you speying?
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: sanjuanwormhatch on October 20, 2014, 16:54:16 PM
I'm really getting it to have something to get me excited about fishing the hooch DH this winter.  I know a cool spot that's away from all crowds and believe it or not, there could possibly be some decent size fish in there.  I figure a 5wt glass switch rod will be cool to cast even if I'm not catching fish.  Plus I need to prepare for when I go to PNW in 2000-never. 
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: Transylwader on October 20, 2014, 19:08:18 PM
Glass switch rod? Sounds like trouble. First off, why the fuck anyone fishes that shit anymore is beyond me. Second? If you can't rip a 90ft blast with a graphite? You'd be the proverbial fucktard driving a Honda Fit to a Tesla get together. Think twice. Glass is gay. That is all
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: RiverbumCO on October 20, 2014, 20:06:33 PM
90ft is doable with the right line.  Switch/spey  rods arent super fast tapered to start with.  Tranny is harshing up my mellow right now.  Way harsh. 

SJW.  You buy one and ill entertain the idea and maybe we can do a speycation somewhere between us.  Not DH though. 

Also if you took a 5wt to the PNW they would laugh at you.  Even the bobber guys.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: Michael Toris on October 20, 2014, 20:10:19 PM
I would buy a spinning rod before I started this whole fiberglass fly rod thing. I just don't do glass. Feels terrible.

I ride with Tranny
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: Dougfish on October 20, 2014, 20:52:04 PM
Glass is like a classic car. It's not for every monkey face wearing putz.

Real men blast glass.  n!n
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: Transylwader on October 20, 2014, 21:00:28 PM
^this douche canoe
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: Michael Toris on October 20, 2014, 21:07:46 PM
I wish I could cast a glass rod worth a shit,  but I can't. I can barely get by with a graphite. I say use the technological advances
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: benben reincarnated on October 20, 2014, 21:08:15 PM
Here, I found dis:

http://www.eagleclaw.com/product/rod/8-fly-rod (http://www.eagleclaw.com/product/rod/8-fly-rod)
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: bmadd on October 20, 2014, 22:00:27 PM
Forgot that option. Modifying that 8 ft featherweight to a spey rod is popular enough that there are a few places selling kits. I have the rod and I'd say it needs a heavy 5 to 6 wt line so could be an option.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: benben reincarnated on October 21, 2014, 06:29:27 AM
Quote from: bmadd on October 20, 2014, 22:00:27 PM
Forgot that option. Modifying that 8 ft featherweight to a spey rod is popular enough that there are a few places selling kits. I have the rod and I'd say it needs a heavy 5 to 6 wt line so could be an option.

If you are a little handy:

http://www.thisriveriswild.com/2012/06/eagle-claw-switch-rod.html (http://www.thisriveriswild.com/2012/06/eagle-claw-switch-rod.html)

Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: sanjuanwormhatch on October 21, 2014, 08:07:52 AM
Bros, allow me to be defensive here for a second.

1. Pnw reference was in the spirit of learning spey casts which I think are typically the same no matter the weight of the rod (with slight variations).

2. I pointed out and acknowledged that said rod is one dimensional and easily replaceable at best.  I get that.

3.  That being said, sure there are ways that make more sense to catch fish but the same could be said for fly fishing in general.

4. In all honesty I'm not sure I can cast 90 feet of line with a single hander. 

Now, let's hug it out.

I'm all for a speycation. I seriously am going to take a cheap trip to pnw at some point. Probably won't catch shit but I'll be drunk the whole time and will be the guy overcasting showing off my cast. Bc would be awesome but have you seen the licensing requirements?  Gawdalmighty.

Thanks bennen. That just might work. Wonder how am 8 foot two hander casts?  For that money it's worth finding out. Now I just need dougfish to sell me one of them ol timey reels.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 21, 2014, 08:31:16 AM
Anyone that does not enjoy a glass rod is a new-age, X-Games-type-angling whippersnapper!  These upstarts should be avoided until they are further seasoned.  I do however have faith that one day these parvenus will "feel the rain" and not "just get wet" (Bobbie Dylan). 

SJWH, I can't cast 90', and I have never tried. No big whoop, pal. 

If a glass spey makes you happy, then do it.  I would not waste the air explaining such to these angling social climbers.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: OldDominionAngler on October 21, 2014, 08:32:45 AM
Quote from: RiverbumCO on October 20, 2014, 20:06:33 PM

You buy one and ill entertain the idea and maybe we can do a speycation somewhere between us. 


Swing for steelbows on the Cattaraugus...pick me up on the way.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: RiverbumCO on October 21, 2014, 08:45:38 AM
Its easier to cast a two hander 100' anyday.  That said, an 8ft switch rod isn't a switch rod.  Them shits need to be at least 10ft at a minimum.  You need that length to catapult line, otherwise what would be the point of using two hands.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: sanjuanwormhatch on October 21, 2014, 08:49:36 AM
Yeah I kind of agree. Anyone want to make me a rod for some $?
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: RiverbumCO on October 21, 2014, 09:27:41 AM
Steel has two.  He may let you test drive.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: RiverbumCO on October 21, 2014, 09:43:49 AM
My bud picked up a gig for the shoulder season on the Grande Ronde river in Eastern Oregon.  Basically he mules gear dowm the river ahead of the clients and sets up camp, then fishes the runs near the camp.  The guys from Sage were out last week, said they tipped him with a $600 reel.


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Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: bmadd on October 21, 2014, 10:13:29 AM
dude - $20 bucks for the rod. $15 for the kit. Rio Outbound short 6 wt $50 bucks on the bay. 3 hours of work + dry time and your learning to cast two handed. Yea it may not be a legit "switch" rod, but it will be fun. You won't be able to cast as far or control the drag the same as you could with a "real" 10' switch rod. But if you like it and when you make that trip to the PNW, buy the Echo. You'll already have the line and mechanics down. Save the other $100 bucks (minimum) and get really, really drunk while you learn.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: RiverbumCO on October 21, 2014, 11:53:18 AM
Youd be better served to learn to spey with a single hand rod with fighting butt.  The longest rod you got, Playboy.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: Michael Toris on October 21, 2014, 12:57:20 PM
Spey casting is the tits. I am just not a fan of glass stuff. Too "springy" and not quick enough response time for me.

Bum has it, learn to spey with your 8wt, then move up to a switch.

I single hand spey cast all the time. I am no spey master by no means,  but it is fun.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: sanjuanwormhatch on October 21, 2014, 13:01:43 PM
Here's the part when you're really going to question my sanity.  I actually have a switch rod already (7 wt) just am real curious about spey glass.  It works in my head.  Since I live in the spey capitol of the world, I had kind of talked myself into another one.  Fugg it; I'm taking bmadd's advice and taking my already paid for rod and $100 worth of beer to the river this Sunday.  Err next Sunday since I'll be out of town this Sunday. 
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: RiverbumCO on October 21, 2014, 13:22:10 PM
Quote from: sanjuanwormhatch on October 21, 2014, 13:01:43 PM
Here's the part when you're really going to question my sanity.  I actually have a switch rod already (7 wt) just am real curious about spey glass.  It works in my head.  Since I live in the spey capitol of the world, I had kind of talked myself into another one.  Fugg it; I'm taking bmadd's advice and taking my already paid for rod and $100 worth of beer to the river this Sunday.  Err next Sunday since I'll be out of town this Sunday.

dont even say youll be in Myrtle Beach! Dont even!  Me too, man.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: sanjuanwormhatch on October 21, 2014, 16:31:24 PM
I'll actually be in trout land (well more so than where I live).  Hoping to get some fishing in believe it or not.  No switch rods will be harmed. 
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: Dougfish on October 21, 2014, 22:45:51 PM
Hmm, I've got a rod candidate or two, or three at home. Dammit, you got me schemin'. 

The switch thing is interesting. I already employ some spey techniques on traditional rods and lines.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: sanjuanwormhatch on October 22, 2014, 08:23:55 AM
Let us know how it turns out Doug.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: sanjuanwormhatch on October 22, 2014, 14:06:28 PM
My wife and I ("MWAI"), have entered into a fair and equitable agreement about said rod.  She kindly agreed to not let me buy the rod and in return I agreed to not spend $100 on beer.  Happy to report all parties are satisfied with the resolution.  Happy to give pointers to achieve similar favorable results in domestic negotiations. 
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: sanjuanwormhatch on October 22, 2014, 14:34:57 PM
Reel long:

http://thefiberglassmanifesto.blogspot.com/2013/11/daves-thoughts-on-glass-switch-rods.html (http://thefiberglassmanifesto.blogspot.com/2013/11/daves-thoughts-on-glass-switch-rods.html)
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: RiverbumCO on October 22, 2014, 16:39:47 PM
Quote from: sanjuanwormhatch on October 22, 2014, 14:34:57 PM
Reel long:

http://thefiberglassmanifesto.blogspot.com/2013/11/daves-thoughts-on-glass-switch-rods.html (http://thefiberglassmanifesto.blogspot.com/2013/11/daves-thoughts-on-glass-switch-rods.html)

about what I figgered

the ACR rods mentioned are what I fished. 
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: RiverbumCO on October 29, 2014, 15:15:08 PM
@sanjuanwormhatch here it is.  I would love to have that stick.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/161466114845?nav=SEARCH]     [url]http://m.ebay.com/itm/161466114845?nav=SEARCH (http://[url)           [/url]
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: Big J on October 29, 2014, 15:36:16 PM
http://m.ebay.com/itm/161466114845?nav=SEARCH

Fixed.  And that is pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: RiverbumCO on October 29, 2014, 19:45:41 PM
Itll go for a grand
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: sanjuanwormhatch on October 30, 2014, 09:53:22 AM
That's a badass rod.
Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: Dougfish on October 30, 2014, 10:35:20 AM
I told The Bum that this rod would be a good conversion candidate, but it is in too good of a condition to bugger up. And it has a Grainger style reel seat.
9' Shakespeare 3 piece, 1380T, 1956 manufacture. Bombs out a 6' DT. But needs a 10 oz. Martin 72 to balance it....almost balances it.
A second handle and lighter reel would be sweet. $41 delivered.  -0-

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Title: Re: Thinking of buying an obscure rod I don't need
Post by: Jfey on November 04, 2014, 21:26:02 PM
Problem solved.  As long as you are comfortable forking up a grand.  I'm going to order two tomorrow. ;D


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