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Title: Labor Shortage
Post by: Onslow on September 12, 2016, 16:26:31 PM
It seems workers who are both willing get dirty and sweating, but have an IQ over 80 are not available for new hiring.  I have no clue as to why there is so much bitching and moaning about the lack of jobs for blue collar types.  All I hear is bitching and moaning from distressed companies unable to find capable people in the field of construction. 

Questions

1.  Are we heading into a future where there are not enough people to service our complex infrastructure whether it be physical work or engineering, or more mundane tasks such as hvac and plumbing repairs on both residential or commercial facilities.  I starting to get worried, really worried.  In some locales, it is easy to find and hire a lawyer, but nearly impossible to find a plumber.  I cannot find anyone who can tolerate wearing a respirator.

2.  Will there be a massive market driven correction in compensation for the manly man working man?  This is supposedly a free market economy.

Lets discuss
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Dougfish on September 12, 2016, 16:38:36 PM
I've already told our kids, who are starting to have their own kids, don't push them to college. The huge debt isn't worth it. If they are little Einsteins and can get scholarships? OK. Trade school/apprentice instead. The HVAC guy charges $80/hour. Same for auto mechanic. Plumber and electrician the same. It will be well north of $100/hour by the time they're ready. Work M - F. Every few weekends on call for time and a half. Learn a trade, save some coin. Make a real difference in the world. Start your own business one day and call your shots. Between a shortage of people wanting to work hard and get dirty, and the loss of any common sense in the general population means mo money for the bright high school grad.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: driver on September 12, 2016, 16:40:19 PM
I've been complaining for years that I can't find good help. And thats why I haven't had any hourly employees in 3 years. Just hired a 21 year old. Doesn't know shit, but is eager and doesn't have his nose stuck in a phone all day.

I might indulge in this conversation later. When i have time to write a 10pg essay.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: BrookieHunter on September 12, 2016, 17:23:20 PM
 I've been in manufacturing 20 years and it's getting pretty bad. I've seen 20 year old kids that can't even figure out how to use a cordless drill.  b';
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Onslow on September 12, 2016, 17:32:19 PM
Quote from: BrookieHunter on September 12, 2016, 17:23:20 PM
I've been in manufacturing 20 years and it's getting pretty bad. I've seen 20 year old kids that can't even figure out how to use a cordless drill.  b';

An HR person at a local wood processing plant informed an applicant he had to cut his beard...he started crying.  No lie.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Dee-Vo on September 12, 2016, 19:21:38 PM
Skilled laborers will likely eventually take the same path as the every day truck driver. Older guys will age out and retire/quit, and the new generation will not be interested in that field....until that particular field raises general wages high enough to get their attention and keep it.

A good example:

Furniture manufacturer monster, Ashley Furniture, located close by in Advance, NC, was and is doing so much business that they're spending a fortune on advertising for help, practically begging for people to take jobs and still can't keep up. People are sorry asses. Also, their trucking lines were suffering big-time because there were no drivers to hire. In order to establish a good work force for themselves they were forced to or up or shut up. More money equals people who give a damn about their career and the quality of work they put forth.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: RiverbumCO on September 12, 2016, 21:34:27 PM
My new company offers pretty sizeabke recruitment bonuses if you can get somebody hired. Laborers, truck drivers, tractor operators etc.  very hard to find people these days.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: RiverbumCO on September 12, 2016, 21:37:03 PM
Speaking of which, anybody need a job?
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: benben reincarnated on September 13, 2016, 06:35:45 AM
This was on NPR a couple of weeks ago:

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/01/492203137/demand-for-upholsters-is-great-they-can-sew-up-a-job-in-no-time

Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Grannyknot on September 13, 2016, 07:52:32 AM
My brother in law got his contractors license, worked as an apprentice for a custom home builder for 2 years and then went out on his own.
Works very hard & gets bloody/dirty as hell, but really enjoys his work, and makes about 4x what he made at his desk job 5 years out of college.

Wish I had gone that route.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: NCsporksman on September 13, 2016, 08:57:09 AM
Almost every restaurant account I walk into is asking me if I know any skilled line cooks, the mainstay workforce (Hispanics) are moving to higher paying construction jobs and most kids starting out in the field with culinary degrees feel entitled to start in management positions. I worked as a line cook for years and regularly got promoted over Johnson and Wales grads who weren't willing to put any effort into an entry level job. Then again who can blame a kid who just payed 30k a year for a degree in an industry that pays entry level employees $12 phr on a good day.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Jfey on September 13, 2016, 09:14:13 AM
Skilled and reliable employees are at a premium at both ends of the spectrum.   I recruit a lot of MBA/PhD type people in banking and healthcare/pharma and its a constant complaint(and one that keeps me in business) that they can never find the type of person they need.  If they can, its takes them a very long time.

I just got a call yesterday from a local financial  company that is trying to hire someone that will sit in San Fran or Seattle.  Its what I would consider a pretty solid job with great pay/benefits etc.   Its been open for 13 months and the hiring manager has interviewed 5 people  in that time.  All of them bombed the interview.   They should have been able to find 5 people in the first month.

From my very limited individual view, it seems that what is needed from a skill perspective from employers is not aligned with the skills of the workforce.   There is a glutton of people the fill in the middle, but the highly skilled contractor or banking/healthcare  professional(which is what everyone wants) is at a shortage.

There is no magic wand to  fix this, but I would guess its a combination of education becoming more aligned with the needs of the workforce, companies needing to pay more for the skills they need and family values that teach the value of hard work and reliability.   These are very long term items and there will be people fighting to not let these changes happen as it would mean they would suffer in the short term ie companies paying there employees more.




Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: ptfranze on September 13, 2016, 09:29:18 AM
Coming at this from the school/teacher level, we actually push certifications almost the same if not more than college degrees.  We also have begun aligning our school with local businesses (mainly Revlon) to find out what they are looking for in employees to make sure that we teach it in class.

We try to explain to our students many times you can make as much, if not a lot more than someone with a college degree by just getting something like a welding certificate.  I don't know if all schools do this, or we just focus on it because the type of students that we have (most will not be going onto college) but it is something I grew up doing with VICA (vocational industrial clubs of america) when I was taking drafting in high school.  I think all schools should put a strong focus on this because some kids aren't meant for college but are damn hard workers and if you get them in the right spot can do great things. 
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Yallerhammer on September 13, 2016, 14:09:08 PM
One problem is that young folks aren't taught how to do anything with their hands nowadays. They are trained intellectually, but no mechanical or labor skills. I work with crews of college students sometimes, and it is amazing how many of them have no idea how to use basic tolls like a shovel, mattock, saw, hammer, etc. I guess I took it for granted growing up on a farm with not much money, but the average 16-year old boy here when I was growing up could do almost anything from plumbing to mechanic work to operating heavy equipment. Most younger folks nowadays can't even drive a vehicle with a manual transmission. Our culture has shifted away from self-reliance and toward paying someone else to do everything.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: VaTrout on September 13, 2016, 16:06:10 PM
Quote from: NCsporksman on September 13, 2016, 08:57:09 AM
Almost every restaurant account I walk into is asking me if I know any skilled line cooks, the mainstay workforce (Hispanics) are moving to higher paying construction jobs and most kids starting out in the field with culinary degrees feel entitled to start in management positions. I worked as a line cook for years and regularly got promoted over Johnson and Wales grads who weren't willing to put any effort into an entry level job. Then again who can blame a kid who just payed 30k a year for a degree in an industry that pays entry level employees $12 phr on a good day.

Same up here.  I can get you a job in a  restaurant right now if you are willing to work.  And the ones who just graduated culinary school really don't know what they think the do....

Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Stone-Man on September 13, 2016, 18:01:19 PM
One of the big problems that I see is the govt. allowing millions to set on their asses and do nothing when they are physically able
to perform useful labor and make decent wages.  This problem is chronic here in Rural Tennessee. Truly remarkable at the number of welfare recipients between
the ages of 20 to 50.
There are help wanted signs all over E Tenn. and the newspaper is full of help wanted adds.

  JT
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: ptfranze on September 14, 2016, 08:57:45 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on September 13, 2016, 14:09:08 PM
One problem is that young folks aren't taught how to do anything with their hands nowadays. They are trained intellectually, but no mechanical or labor skills. I work with crews of college students sometimes, and it is amazing how many of them have no idea how to use basic tolls like a shovel, mattock, saw, hammer, etc. I guess I took it for granted growing up on a farm with not much money, but the average 16-year old boy here when I was growing up could do almost anything from plumbing to mechanic work to operating heavy equipment. Most younger folks nowadays can't even drive a vehicle with a manual transmission. Our culture has shifted away from self-reliance and toward paying someone else to do everything.

Completely agree with this.  Kids come in the classes my wife and I teach (she teaches engineering)  and most the kids have never picked up a tool in their life, some can't even name tools.  The vast majority of kids can't even read a ruler or tape measure.  It's sad it takes a week to teach some of these kids how to do that alone. 
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 14, 2016, 09:35:21 AM
I had shop in 7th grade, first lesson was to draw an inch at 4x scale and label it down to 1/16". Next lesson was to draft plans for 1st project, a napkin holder. Then we learned about the tools we were going use, both manual and power tools. "Straight, square and smooth," is what Herman Hermanie taught us. Short and slight, this guy was feared by all and his safety lessons stick with all that he taught. He had a "horror" story about each power tool that he include with the introduction of each; "The necktie and the lathe", "Fingers ground to nubs on the sander", "Neck cut open by the drill press" and more....
Then we stated building our projects. Next was a pump handle lamp with a hammered copper ash tray. Stained and varnished and waxed our work. Imagine that in 2016! We used drill presses, belt sanders, and a lathe!  And that was in 7th grade!

I moved schools the next year and my next project and my shop notebook were give to a new kid.

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Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: JMiller on September 14, 2016, 09:51:04 AM
Lots of good posts here.

Part of the problem too is that small employers are still paying 90's wages of $10/12 dollars an hour with no benefits to start out, which really doesnt buy anything, and you can make as much from the government claiming your back hurts. Stamping out parts on an assembly line or climbing under someones house all day pretty  much sucks, especially when there are other options available.

And most people who have the fortitude and self motivation to become solid employees are looking for fulfilling careers, not simply decent wages. That's our culture. We teach our kids to seek out personal fulfillment rather than a paycheck, and I dont necessarily see that as bad advice.

Also, a solid 40% of able bodied, working age males in the south are completely worthless or unreliable because they're on pills or meth, so that kind of limits things.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: The Dude on September 14, 2016, 11:55:57 AM
Quote from: JMiller on September 14, 2016, 09:51:04 AM
Lots of good posts here.

Part of the problem too is that small employers are still paying 90's wages of $10/12 dollars an hour with no benefits to start out, which really doesnt buy anything, and you can make as much from the government claiming your back hurts. Stamping out parts on an assembly line or climbing under someones house all day pretty  much sucks, especially when there are other options available.

And most people who have the fortitude and self motivation to become solid employees are looking for fulfilling careers, not simply decent wages. That's our culture. We teach our kids to seek out personal fulfillment rather than a paycheck, and I dont necessarily see that as bad advice.

Also, a solid 40% of able bodied, working age males in the south are completely worthless or unreliable because they're on pills or meth, so that kind of limits things.

This
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: VaTrout on September 14, 2016, 14:06:31 PM
Quote from: JMiller on September 14, 2016, 09:51:04 AM
Also, a solid 40% of able bodied, working age males in the south are completely worthless or unreliable because they're on pills or meth, so that kind of limits things.

Especially this!
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Yallerhammer on September 15, 2016, 06:55:22 AM
Those meth and oxy heads will work themselves to death to steal all your shit while you're at work, though.

Woolly, that sounds a lot like my old shop teacher, right down to the necktie/lathe and thumb/radial arm saw stories. One of our first projects then was usually a three-gun gun rack with attached ammo cabinet with sliding doors on the bottom. I made mine from wormy chestnut. The aforementioned meth/oxy enthusiasts have now made gun racks obsolete, though-you have to keep them locked up in a safe now and they'll still get to them sometimes.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 15, 2016, 07:53:09 AM
All this grousing about today's lazy-assed, delinquent, freeloading youth is making my ass want to suck a lemon!

We, as a couple of you noted, are liable, so we should try to repair the dilemma.

As Malone (Sean Connery) said: "You see what I'm saying is, what are you prepared to do?"
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 15, 2016, 19:22:56 PM
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Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Dougfish on April 17, 2021, 19:11:47 PM
I doubt I can work remotely. And I'm not qualified. And there's no brook trout.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: driver on April 17, 2021, 19:24:55 PM
Are the GTs there?
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 17, 2021, 20:46:58 PM
Quote from: driver on April 17, 2021, 19:24:55 PMAre the GTs there?

not to my knowledge, we caught common reef fish, yellow tail tuna, parrot fish, sharks, snapper. Off shore wahoo, marlin, tuna. mahi, grouper

Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Stone-Man on April 18, 2021, 13:56:05 PM
Every food service facility in town is looking for help. And cannot find it.  Plus several other manufacturing firms cannot find help either.
The "Help"  just got 1400 $ from uncle joe and they won't want to work for months.
Pisses me off

  JT
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Phil on April 18, 2021, 15:50:04 PM
For the restaurant and other service industry workers that got laid off for the pandemic -- they are still eligible for the emergency $600/week Federal unemployment. That's more than most restaurant/service workers make in the first place.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Onslow on April 18, 2021, 16:39:59 PM
Policymakers keep yanking that inflation lever.  One day there will be a response. I remember the late Carter years.....
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Sedition and Pockets on May 03, 2021, 10:08:41 AM
Quote from: Stone-Man on September 13, 2016, 18:01:19 PMOne of the big problems that I see is the govt. allowing millions to set on their asses and do nothing when they are physically able
to perform useful labor and make decent wages.  This problem is chronic here in Rural Tennessee. Truly remarkable at the number of welfare recipients between
the ages of 20 to 50.
 There are help wanted signs all over E Tenn. and the newspaper is full of help wanted adds.

  JT
Quote from: Stone-Man on September 13, 2016, 18:01:19 PMOne of the big problems that I see is the govt. allowing millions to set on their asses and do nothing when they are physically able
to perform useful labor and make decent wages.  This problem is chronic here in Rural Tennessee. Truly remarkable at the number of welfare recipients between
the ages of 20 to 50.
 There are help wanted signs all over E Tenn. and the newspaper is full of help wanted adds.

  JT

The problem is that the bosses want people to slave away for wages that don't pay the goddamn bills.  You want me to work for $10/hr no bennies?  Fuck you.  Pay me.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Yallerhammer on May 03, 2021, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Sedition and Pockets on May 03, 2021, 10:08:41 AM
Quote from: Stone-Man on September 13, 2016, 18:01:19 PMOne of the big problems that I see is the govt. allowing millions to set on their asses and do nothing when they are physically able
to perform useful labor and make decent wages.  This problem is chronic here in Rural Tennessee. Truly remarkable at the number of welfare recipients between
the ages of 20 to 50.
 There are help wanted signs all over E Tenn. and the newspaper is full of help wanted adds.

  JT
Quote from: Stone-Man on September 13, 2016, 18:01:19 PMOne of the big problems that I see is the govt. allowing millions to set on their asses and do nothing when they are physically able
to perform useful labor and make decent wages.  This problem is chronic here in Rural Tennessee. Truly remarkable at the number of welfare recipients between
the ages of 20 to 50.
 There are help wanted signs all over E Tenn. and the newspaper is full of help wanted adds.

  JT

The problem is that the bosses want people to slave away for wages that don't pay the goddamn bills.  You want me to work for $10/hr no bennies?  Fuck you.  Pay me.

And when he pays you $15 instead of $10, within a year or so, that $15 will pay the same amount of bills that the $10 did. Wages and inflation are joined at the hip.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Sedition and Pockets on May 03, 2021, 18:41:19 PM
The vast majority of business costs are tied up in fixed capital, not variable capital (labor).  Increasing wages has some impact on prices, but this is vastly exaggerated by the "people should work for slave wages and do their starving gracefully" crowd.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Yallerhammer on May 03, 2021, 18:58:35 PM
Quote from: Sedition and Pockets on May 03, 2021, 18:41:19 PMThe vast majority of business costs are tied up in fixed capital, not variable capital (labor).  Increasing wages has some impact on prices, but this is vastly exaggerated by the "people should work for slave wages and do their starving gracefully" crowd.
Keep living in dreamworld. Higher labor costs always = higher costs for products. I've worked all my life. I worked for minimum wage in my younger days. I never expected those jobs to be a career. Instead, I put effort into making my labor worth more than minimum wage, instead of expecting an unskilled job at a McDonald's drive-thru to set me up in an upper middle class lifestyle. The world doesn't owe you a living.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 03, 2021, 19:38:21 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on May 03, 2021, 18:58:35 PM
Quote from: Sedition and Pockets on May 03, 2021, 18:41:19 PMThe vast majority of business costs are tied up in fixed capital, not variable capital (labor).  Increasing wages has some impact on prices, but this is vastly exaggerated by the "people should work for slave wages and do their starving gracefully" crowd.
Keep living in dreamworld. Higher labor costs always = higher costs for products. I've worked all my life. I worked for minimum wage in my younger days. I never expected those jobs to be a career. Instead, I put effort into making my labor worth more than minimum wage, instead of expecting an unskilled job at a McDonald's drive-thru to set me up in an upper middle class lifestyle. The world doesn't owe you a living.

My first real job outside of restaurant work was working in a printing bindery for $2.45 / hr 60 hrs a week. I was living high on the hog with all that overtime! lol

In my dealings with the corporate world with mergers and acquisitions, downsizing and rightsizing, and synergistic opportunities, the MBA's major goal was a value analysis of every job and the result was always headcount reduction!   
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 04, 2021, 08:08:25 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on May 03, 2021, 18:58:35 PMThe world doesn't owe you a living.

True, the world does not owe any of us anything.  But how about that human fabricated system firmly embedded within our world?  That program with its rules, laws, rewards, mores, etc., along with its prejudices, influences, etc., all entirely a human/societal construct --- does that system at least owe everyone, regardless of color, gender, family name, etc. a position on the same starting line?  I ain't sure everyone gets a fair shake from the start.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Yallerhammer on May 04, 2021, 09:23:15 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 04, 2021, 08:08:25 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on May 03, 2021, 18:58:35 PMThe world doesn't owe you a living.

True, the world does not owe any of us anything.  But how about that human fabricated system firmly embedded within our world?  That program with its rules, laws, rewards, mores, etc., along with its prejudices, influences, etc., all entirely a human/societal construct --- does that system at least owe everyone, regardless of color, gender, family name, etc. a position on the same starting line?  I ain't sure everyone gets a fair shake from the start.
That's called life. I'm glad I was born where I was, even if I was born and raised dirt poor. Sure, other people were born with more than I was, but what I do with what I have is up to me. The poorest person in America is born with more than some of the wealthier ones in some parts of the world. A few thousand years ago, all of us were born with flat nothing. Is it fair? Probably not. Does it justify society trying to bring everybody down to the lowest common denominator so that life is fair? No. Because every society that tries to equalize people based on emotion and ideology just winds up making them all dirt poor except for the ruling class, at least historically. 
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Al on May 05, 2021, 14:40:28 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on May 04, 2021, 09:23:15 AMTrue, the world does not owe any of us anything.  But how about that human fabricated system firmly embedded within our world?  That program with its rules, laws, rewards, mores, etc., along with its prejudices, influences, etc., all entirely a human/societal construct --- does that system at least owe everyone, regardless of color, gender, family name, etc. a position on the same starting line?  I ain't sure everyone gets a fair shake from the start.
That's called life. I'm glad I was born where I was, even if I was born and raised dirt poor. Sure, other people were born with more than I was, but what I do with what I have is up to me. The poorest person in America is born with more than some of the wealthier ones in some parts of the world. A few thousand years ago, all of us were born with flat nothing. Is it fair? Probably not. Does it justify society trying to bring everybody down to the lowest common denominator so that life is fair? No. Because every society that tries to equalize people based on emotion and ideology just winds up making them all dirt poor except for the ruling class, at least historically. 
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I am with YH on this. I was also brought up "dirt poor". The old house which I lovely call my "get away cabin" in Virginia would be considered a mansion to us when we were growing up. I came to a lot of "forks in the road". The best choice I made was answering the call to rejoin the army during the Vietnam War. This high school drop out make a few more choices and after a successful military career ended up being called "professor" for another 28 years in well known graduate school.

Lucky, maybe but it all started out by me being born am American. I also knew if I wanted to better my lot in life I had to do more than just wait for someone to give me something. 
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Michael Toris on May 05, 2021, 15:05:02 PM
Look! A boomer thread! Lol
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Dougfish on May 05, 2021, 19:53:06 PM
It is a boomer thread! LOL.

This boomer wants the minimum wage to go to $15. ASAP.
Inflation has happened without the wage going up. No excuse.
Cost of living has gone up without the wage going up. No excuse.
Rent and home ownership costs have gone up with out the wage going up. No excuse.

Yeah, a lot of us worked for cheap and built we we have now.
But we had opportunity, service, education, skills, trades, etc.
A lot of minimum wage folks don't have those advantages.
A lot, a lot of minimum wage folks are middle age and seniors (like us) who have no
education and experience and have found themselves in a rough spot.

Don't worry. Your burger won't go up a lot. Their taxes might go up a lot more than your
iced tea at Chik Fil A.
More tax money? More money to the public good.
Are you part of "the public"?
Are you part of the "good"?
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Onslow on May 06, 2021, 04:45:46 AM
Lets talk about social justice and the environment as we behave like cheap bastards in the marketplace, wanting shit, and a lot of it for nothing while throwing away most of what we buy, Lets fly all over the world preaching about how we should deprive ourselves.

One cannot have it both ways. Life choices matter. 
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: troutrus on May 06, 2021, 04:51:07 AM
Everybody has an opinion. Here's mine.

Frozen minimum wage and right to work laws are the next best thing to slavery for corporate America.

The fight for increase to $15 has been going on for so long, it is now apparent that if adjusted for inflation the min wage should be ~$24 to make the worker whole.

If you still believe in Supply Side Economics, I hope Santa Clause treats you well this Christmas.

Amen!
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 06, 2021, 04:54:42 AM
There are many that grew up poor, but I doubt comparing the size of our phalluses by how impoverished we were in our youth will add much to the story.  All of us involved in this discussion had a couple of extra spikes in our track shoes, helping us get off that starting line, we were white, and we were male.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Onslow on May 06, 2021, 05:54:59 AM
Quote from: troutrus on May 06, 2021, 04:51:07 AMEverybody has an opinion. Here's mine.

Frozen minimum wage and right to work laws are the next best thing to slavery for corporate America.

The fight for increase to $15 has been going on for so long, it is now apparent that if adjusted for inflation the min wage should be ~$24 to make the worker whole.

If you still believe in Supply Side Economics, I hope Santa Clause treats you well this Christmas.

Amen!

There needs to be some incentive to perform.  Not everyone is capable of earning $24 an hour.  Wealth does not occur by fiat, but rather innovation and efficiency. Magic wands can be waved all day long, but if folks don't get off their assess and try to be productive and figure shit out, this country will implode....well it already is imploding.

Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 06, 2021, 06:45:40 AM
MONTANA TO LAUNCH RETURN-TO-WORK BONUSES, RETURN TO PRE-PANDEMIC UNEMPLOYMENT PROGRAM TO ADDRESS WORKFORCE SHORTAGE

>>>HELENA, Mont. – Governor Greg Gianforte today announced two measures to address the state's severe workforce shortage and incentivize Montanans to reenter the labor force.

The State of Montana will launch a return-to-work bonus program, utilizing federal funds authorized by the American Rescue Plan Act. Return-to-work bonuses will be paid to unemployed individuals who rejoin the labor force and accept and maintain steady employment for at least one month.

The governor also announced the State of Montana will end its participation in federal pandemic-related unemployment benefit programs and transition to pre-pandemic unemployment insurance (UI) eligibility and benefits by the end of June.

"Montana is open for business again, but I hear from too many employers throughout our state who can't find workers. Nearly every sector in our economy faces a labor shortage," Gov. Gianforte said.

https://news.mt.gov/montana-to-launch-return-to-work-bonuses-return-to-pre-pandemic-unemployment-program-to-address-workforce-shortage
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Yallerhammer on May 06, 2021, 11:36:51 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on May 05, 2021, 19:53:06 PMIt is a boomer thread! LOL.

This boomer wants the minimum wage to go to $15. ASAP.
Inflation has happened without the wage going up. No excuse.
Cost of living has gone up without the wage going up. No excuse.
Rent and home ownership costs have gone up with out the wage going up. No excuse.

Yeah, a lot of us worked for cheap and built we we have now.
But we had opportunity, service, education, skills, trades, etc.
A lot of minimum wage folks don't have those advantages.
A lot, a lot of minimum wage folks are middle age and seniors (like us) who have no
education and experience and have found themselves in a rough spot.

Don't worry. Your burger won't go up a lot. Their taxes might go up a lot more than your
iced tea at Chik Fil A.
More tax money? More money to the public good.
Are you part of "the public"?
Are you part of the "good"?

So, now what do you tell the guy who has worked half of his life to make himself worth $15 an hour, has an education, prefessional certifications, licenses, and such, but now suddenly finds himself making exactly the same as the schmuck fucking his burger order up at Hardee's? His employer certainly isn't going to double his wages like the .gov did for unskilled Burger King Man.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 06, 2021, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on May 06, 2021, 11:36:51 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on May 05, 2021, 19:53:06 PMIt is a boomer thread! LOL.

This boomer wants the minimum wage to go to $15. ASAP.
Inflation has happened without the wage going up. No excuse.
Cost of living has gone up without the wage going up. No excuse.
Rent and home ownership costs have gone up with out the wage going up. No excuse.

Yeah, a lot of us worked for cheap and built we we have now.
But we had opportunity, service, education, skills, trades, etc.
A lot of minimum wage folks don't have those advantages.
A lot, a lot of minimum wage folks are middle age and seniors (like us) who have no
education and experience and have found themselves in a rough spot.

Don't worry. Your burger won't go up a lot. Their taxes might go up a lot more than your
iced tea at Chik Fil A.
More tax money? More money to the public good.
Are you part of "the public"?
Are you part of the "good"?

So, now what do you tell the guy who has worked half of his life to make himself worth $15 an hour, has an education, prefessional certifications, licenses, and such, but now suddenly finds himself making exactly the same as the schmuck fucking his burger order up at Hardee's? His employer certainly isn't going to double his wages like the .gov did for unskilled Burger King Man.

Gradual, correct? By 2025, correct?  What would that mean for those now at $15?
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Yallerhammer on May 06, 2021, 13:07:31 PM
Today's show has been brought to you by the words "Instant Gratification" and "Entitlement."
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Yallerhammer on May 06, 2021, 13:09:51 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 06, 2021, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on May 06, 2021, 11:36:51 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on May 05, 2021, 19:53:06 PMIt is a boomer thread! LOL.

This boomer wants the minimum wage to go to $15. ASAP.
Inflation has happened without the wage going up. No excuse.
Cost of living has gone up without the wage going up. No excuse.
Rent and home ownership costs have gone up with out the wage going up. No excuse.

Yeah, a lot of us worked for cheap and built we we have now.
But we had opportunity, service, education, skills, trades, etc.
A lot of minimum wage folks don't have those advantages.
A lot, a lot of minimum wage folks are middle age and seniors (like us) who have no
education and experience and have found themselves in a rough spot.

Don't worry. Your burger won't go up a lot. Their taxes might go up a lot more than your
iced tea at Chik Fil A.
More tax money? More money to the public good.
Are you part of "the public"?
Are you part of the "good"?

So, now what do you tell the guy who has worked half of his life to make himself worth $15 an hour, has an education, prefessional certifications, licenses, and such, but now suddenly finds himself making exactly the same as the schmuck fucking his burger order up at Hardee's? His employer certainly isn't going to double his wages like the .gov did for unskilled Burger King Man.

Gradual, correct? By 2025, correct?  What would that mean for those now at $15?
That they are no longer worth more than a teenager flipping burgers. Most employers are already paying what they can afford to, except for some of the mega-corporations. Higher minimum wage always sounds good on paper, but in reality, it translates to rampant inflation, businesses closing down, large reductions in the workforce, and self-serve everything that costs more than full-serve used to.  Legislation based on emotion instead of reality never works. It just fucks the system up more and more. The end result of socialism is always to reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator. I want the government to mostly stay out of my life and leave me alone to live it.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: 22midge on May 06, 2021, 17:50:28 PM
just hang on a few more days ....your labor force is swimming across or running across as we speak
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Onslow on May 06, 2021, 19:40:07 PM
Inflation will fix everything. Trump kept the the economy on the hot side, and Joe wants to be FDR, but will have a legacy similar to Carter's.

We'll all take a 50% pay cut within the next 4 years. Life will be grand.  The post reality world many embrace will be checked by simple math and gravity.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Dougfish on May 06, 2021, 20:06:39 PM
The negative Nancy's on here can bitch and moan all they want.
The world moves on. The economy and wages will continue to rise.
A high tide raises all boats.
I'm going fishing.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: troutrus on May 07, 2021, 13:59:21 PM
Opportunities abound in Eden, NC. Some offer signing bonus. 😳

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Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 07, 2021, 14:18:03 PM
Quoted from a FB friend...

" I love the attempt to blame unemployment compensation on the lack of people rushing in to apply for crap paying jobs, few safety precautions, no benefits, and an expectation that you cease to matter once employed."
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Al on May 07, 2021, 15:26:47 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on May 07, 2021, 14:18:03 PMQuoted from a FB friend...

" I love the attempt to blame unemployment compensation on the lack of people rushing in to apply for crap paying jobs, few safety precautions, no benefits, and an expectation that you cease to matter once employed."

A few years ago minimum wage jobs were considered temp jobs for kids and students. They learned a few skills, like showing up on time, following instructions and made some spending money as well. They were also good for folks who might have had a temporary set back and were between good jobs - maybe even for retired folks who needed something to do or a little extra income.

Unfortunately times have changed - When jobs started moving overseas they put an awful lot of middle age workers out of work. Many of them had skills which did not easily transfer to other jobs even if they existed. The furniture industry is a good example - same with the auto industry. Many skills have been replaced by automation - we are even seeing that with fast food. Farming which was once labor intensive is now highly automated. I could go on and on with other examples. All those displaced folks are now lining up and justifiably complaining about minimum wage jobs. Raising the minimum wage will temporarily give them a boost but "a raising tide lifts all boats" soon gives way to inflation or "a falling tide" which brings everyone down with it.

It's not pretty and there are no obvious solutions. If we were a bunch of animals (which we are), we'd say "there are to many of us and we are overgrazing our habitat".

One last thought - before the recent election I was fishing an in-shore waterway with lots of boat slips and high end houses. Eight out of ten boats had Trump flags on the sterns or a Trump sign on the waterway rear lawn.  I remarked about this to my host who said "These are well to do people, many of whom took risks and worked a hundred hours a week before they 'stuck it rich', many of them still do. They created hundreds of jobs". He went on to say "I've never got a job from a poor person".
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: troutrus on May 07, 2021, 18:29:14 PM
Reducing interest rates leads to inflation and reducing taxes leads to inflation yet nobody complains.
Try to give folks living in poverty a raise and everybody bitches about it leading to inflation.

Go figure.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 08, 2021, 06:58:53 AM
Quote from: Onslow on May 06, 2021, 19:40:07 PM.......and Joe wants to be FDR, but will have a legacy similar to Carter's.

We'll all take a 50% pay cut within the next 4 years. Life will be grand. 


Let us make a wager and test your skills as a clairvoyant.

I continue to find it interesting that some want most or all government out of their lives.  I am surrounded by friends, neighbors, and relatives that are always grousing over governmental intrusion and control.  I'll ask some of you the same question I ask them, which I think I did earlier somewhere on this board, 'What did you do with your latest relief check; I assume you marked it return-to-sender?'
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 10, 2021, 14:55:39 PM
'We All Quit': Restaurant Signs Claiming Staff Walking Out Are Popping Up Across U.S.

>>>One sign on a Hardee's window said: "Due to no staff, we are closed. We are hiring," while a Wendy's sign said: "We all quit!! Closed!!"

A sign on a Chipotle window said: "Attention Chipotle customers. Want to know why we're closed? Ask our corporate offices why their employees are forced to work in borderline sweatshop conditions for 8+ hours without breaks. We are overworked, understaffed, underpaid, and underappreciated.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/foodnews/we-all-quit-restaurant-signs-claiming-staff-walking-out-are-popping-up-across-u-s/ar-BB1gzAdj?ocid=msedgdhp



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Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Onslow on May 10, 2021, 16:14:38 PM
It isn't just fast food.  I've seen high attrition in management positions as well. People are buckling under extremely taxing workloads.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 10, 2021, 16:43:37 PM
Pres said today

"If you are offered a suitable job you must take it, you can't continue to receive unemployment"

Paraphrasing the prez
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Yallerhammer on May 10, 2021, 16:45:57 PM
End the $600 a week unemployment, and the situation resolves itself.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 10, 2021, 17:13:22 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on May 10, 2021, 16:45:57 PMEnd the $600 a week unemployment, and the situation resolves itself.

I think it was reduced to $300 per week but still the same thing

Also end the unlimited length of receiving state benefits
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Yallerhammer on May 11, 2021, 06:40:49 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on May 10, 2021, 17:13:22 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on May 10, 2021, 16:45:57 PMEnd the $600 a week unemployment, and the situation resolves itself.

I think it was reduced to $300 per week but still the same thing

Also end the unlimited length of receiving state benefits
I think it's $300 extra from the fed on top of the state benefits.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Onslow on May 15, 2021, 07:31:28 AM
Quote from: troutrus on May 14, 2021, 12:15:12 PM"But instead of calling for better wages, or setting up child care systems, or anything else, Republicans are trying to fix the problem by starving out people on unemployment — taking their money so they will have no choice but to immediately look for work, and capitalists will once again have the industrial reserve army at their beck and call. It's like conservatives have been reading Marx not to learn why they should overthrow the bourgeoisie, but as a sort of manual for how best to exploit the working class."

https://theweek.com/articles/982343/republican-theory-unemployment-classic-marx


Wages are already going up on the bottom rungs.

The 15 an hour mandate is a dumb blunt instrument remedy, much like the recent stimulus checks. Cost of living across the country obviously is all over the map.

Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Yallerhammer on May 15, 2021, 08:15:16 AM
Quote from: troutrus on May 14, 2021, 12:15:12 PM"But instead of calling for better wages, or setting up child care systems, or anything else, Republicans are trying to fix the problem by starving out people on unemployment — taking their money so they will have no choice but to immediately look for work, and capitalists will once again have the industrial reserve army at their beck and call. It's like conservatives have been reading Marx not to learn why they should overthrow the bourgeoisie, but as a sort of manual for how best to exploit the working class."

https://theweek.com/articles/982343/republican-theory-unemployment-classic-marx

I guess I'm strange. I've never considered it to be anybody's responsibility but my own to pay my way through life. If you can't make a living in the USA, there is something majorly wrong with you. I get up at 4:15 every morning, drive an 80 mile round trip to work ten hours, and I'm still not clearing as much money as some of those poor disadvantaged people who have been drawing unemployment the last year after getting laid off from a minimum wage job. I have no sympathy for them.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 16, 2021, 07:46:01 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on May 15, 2021, 08:15:16 AM
Quote from: troutrus on May 14, 2021, 12:15:12 PM"But instead of calling for better wages, or setting up child care systems, or anything else, Republicans are trying to fix the problem by starving out people on unemployment — taking their money so they will have no choice but to immediately look for work, and capitalists will once again have the industrial reserve army at their beck and call. It's like conservatives have been reading Marx not to learn why they should overthrow the bourgeoisie, but as a sort of manual for how best to exploit the working class."

https://theweek.com/articles/982343/republican-theory-unemployment-classic-marx

I guess I'm strange. I've never considered it to be anybody's responsibility but my own to pay my way through life. If you can't make a living in the USA, there is something majorly wrong with you. I get up at 4:15 every morning, drive an 80 mile round trip to work ten hours, and I'm still not clearing as much money as some of those poor disadvantaged people who have been drawing unemployment the last year after getting laid off from a minimum wage job. I have no sympathy for them.


And I doubt the "disadvantaged" have any sympathy for you, me, or Mr. Doe that resides down the road.  Therein might lie the quandary; sympathy may eventually become an endangered species. 

I've never been worth a damn at judging what others may perhaps deserve or if others are disadvantaged.  It is hit or miss, flip a coin.  I have mistakenly given cash to the wealthy and walked away, with no empathy, from the truly needy.  Being a prophet was never a gift.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Beetle on May 16, 2021, 08:41:00 AM
Ryan Cooper is a self professed socialist who will say anything to justify and rationalize his way of thinking.   

I'm glad he lives in a country that gives him a platform to do so.    The irony is rich.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Michael Toris on May 16, 2021, 13:09:26 PM
Yikes
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Yallerhammer on May 16, 2021, 14:44:52 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 16, 2021, 07:46:01 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on May 15, 2021, 08:15:16 AM
Quote from: troutrus on May 14, 2021, 12:15:12 PM"But instead of calling for better wages, or setting up child care systems, or anything else, Republicans are trying to fix the problem by starving out people on unemployment — taking their money so they will have no choice but to immediately look for work, and capitalists will once again have the industrial reserve army at their beck and call. It's like conservatives have been reading Marx not to learn why they should overthrow the bourgeoisie, but as a sort of manual for how best to exploit the working class."

https://theweek.com/articles/982343/republican-theory-unemployment-classic-marx

I guess I'm strange. I've never considered it to be anybody's responsibility but my own to pay my way through life. If you can't make a living in the USA, there is something majorly wrong with you. I get up at 4:15 every morning, drive an 80 mile round trip to work ten hours, and I'm still not clearing as much money as some of those poor disadvantaged people who have been drawing unemployment the last year after getting laid off from a minimum wage job. I have no sympathy for them.


And I doubt the "disadvantaged" have any sympathy for you, me, or Mr. Doe that resides down the road.  Therein might lie the quandary; sympathy may eventually become an endangered species. 

I've never been worth a damn at judging what others may perhaps deserve or if others are disadvantaged.  It is hit or miss, flip a coin.  I have mistakenly given cash to the wealthy and walked away, with no empathy, from the truly needy.  Being a prophet was never a gift.
True dat. I'm far from perfect, but I'm doing good to keep up with my needs, though. I have sympathy still for many folks, but not for folks who are just plain too lazy to try to keep themselves up instead of sucking off the tit of the money that gets ripped from the rest of our paychecks every week. Entitlement and victim mentalities don't cut it with me.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Onslow on May 17, 2021, 07:38:19 AM
Unifi in Yadkkinville is now starting entry level peeps at 15 an hour.  Labor shortage is so bad there, some production machinery is idle due staffing shortages.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 17, 2021, 15:49:24 PM
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Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: greg on May 17, 2021, 16:08:40 PM
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thats funny as shit.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Al on May 18, 2021, 15:39:49 PM
Ruger Firearms is hiring. Job fair tomorrow in Reidsville NC 

https://ruger.com/micros/careers/?r=nc1
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Yallerhammer on May 20, 2021, 11:32:41 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on May 17, 2021, 15:49:24 PMYou cannot see attachments on this board.

lmao!
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 20, 2021, 20:21:42 PM
NC Republicans pitch $1,500 back-to-work bonuses for unemployed

>>>RALEIGH, N.C. — The state would dip into federal unemployment supplements to pay people on unemployment a $1,500 bonus to take a job under legislation released Thursday at the statehouse.

The proposal would also cut off benefits for people who refuse jobs or skip job interviews, and it would move the state back to pre-pandemic requirements for looking for a job while receiving weekly benefits.

https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/nc-republicans-pitch-1-500-back-to-work-bonuses-for-unemployed/19687861/
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Al on May 20, 2021, 21:29:28 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on May 20, 2021, 20:21:42 PMNC Republicans pitch $1,500 back-to-work bonuses for unemployed

>>>RALEIGH, N.C. — The state would dip into federal unemployment supplements to pay people on unemployment a $1,500 bonus to take a job under legislation released Thursday at the statehouse.

The proposal would also cut off benefits for people who refuse jobs or skip job interviews, and it would move the state back to pre-pandemic requirements for looking for a job while receiving weekly benefits.

https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/nc-republicans-pitch-1-500-back-to-work-bonuses-for-unemployed/19687861/

It appears the lines are being drawn. Let's see who is against this? I'm betting  our governor will threaten a veto if it passes. 
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Al on May 26, 2021, 09:38:07 AM
Ruger Firearms holding another job fair today in Riedsville, NC

https://ruger.com/micros/careers/?r=nc1
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Phil on May 26, 2021, 16:09:21 PM
So the guys making Ruger guns only make $12/hour? No wonder QC on new Rugers sucks.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Al on May 26, 2021, 19:45:34 PM
Quote from: Phil on May 26, 2021, 16:09:21 PMSo the guys making Ruger guns only make $12/hour? No wonder QC on new Rugers sucks.

I can't speak to the salaries but can to the quality of their pistols. I own a LCP II and a LC9s pro and think both are fine guns. I have put a lot of rounds thru both without a malfunction. Granted they are not H&K, or Walter quality but neither cost more then $350 so what do you expect? They are also built in the USA. Hell, I have spent more for holsters then the guns.
Title: Re: Labor Shortage
Post by: Yallerhammer on May 27, 2021, 17:32:18 PM
Quote from: Al on May 26, 2021, 19:45:34 PM
Quote from: Phil on May 26, 2021, 16:09:21 PMSo the guys making Ruger guns only make $12/hour? No wonder QC on new Rugers sucks.

I can't speak to the salaries but can to the quality of their pistols. I own a LCP II and a LC9s pro and think both are fine guns. I have put a lot of rounds thru both without a malfunction. Granted they are not H&K, or Walter quality but neither cost more then $350 so what do you expect? They are also built in the USA. Hell, I have spent more for holsters then the guns.
Yep. I own probably a dozen Rugers, and have owned many more in the past. I have never had one I didn't like or had any issues with.