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Title: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: ajhock on May 09, 2015, 17:36:45 PM
Prithee Doug-

My limited search says Cape Honeysuckle, which is a tropical plant.  This was in Pisgah, next to a trout stream.  The bush/tree was about 6-7' tall.  The webs say it should be in zones 9-11 and maybe 8.  This one was in zone 6a.  Is it something else?

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Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Michael Toris on May 09, 2015, 17:50:44 PM
Looks like Flame Azalea to me fam
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Pansyman on May 09, 2015, 17:51:09 PM
It's a flame azalea
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: ajhock on May 09, 2015, 18:21:48 PM
Yeah, that looks right.  I have never noticed the bright orange flowers.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Dougfish on May 09, 2015, 19:03:49 PM
Flame Azalea is correct. Yellows, oranges, reds.  V:;
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Pansyman on May 11, 2015, 20:43:58 PM
Tree butts  :;!     
Get some Wood
http://www.collegehumor.com/post/7007632/15-sexy-tree-butts-that-will-give-you-some-major-wood?ref=homepage (http://www.collegehumor.com/post/7007632/15-sexy-tree-butts-that-will-give-you-some-major-wood?ref=homepage)
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Big J on July 02, 2015, 15:14:49 PM
http://www.wset.com/story/29458390/rare-century-plant-begins-bloom-outside-lynchburg-home (http://www.wset.com/story/29458390/rare-century-plant-begins-bloom-outside-lynchburg-home)
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Dougfish on July 02, 2015, 15:19:30 PM
What a goober. Good for her.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: themidge on July 02, 2015, 16:13:25 PM
Quote from: Big J on July 02, 2015, 15:14:49 PM
http://www.wset.com/story/29458390/rare-century-plant-begins-bloom-outside-lynchburg-home (http://www.wset.com/story/29458390/rare-century-plant-begins-bloom-outside-lynchburg-home)

Good ole WSET. I grew up south of Lynchburg, J. They will report on anything. News and Advance is a primo publication as well! I saw this earlier: how damn dumb can you get? Par for the course near my home, I guess.

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/local/muddy-footprints-lead-authorities-to-campbell-county-burglary-suspects/article_94f23b74-20cb-11e5-9619-6f77123c9939.html (http://www.newsadvance.com/news/local/muddy-footprints-lead-authorities-to-campbell-county-burglary-suspects/article_94f23b74-20cb-11e5-9619-6f77123c9939.html)
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: JMiller on July 02, 2015, 16:39:46 PM
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Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 07, 2015, 16:48:36 PM
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??
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Michael Toris on October 07, 2015, 18:41:03 PM
Burr Oak?
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: JMiller on October 07, 2015, 19:02:22 PM
Sawtooth oak
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 07, 2015, 19:06:24 PM
Quote from: JMiller on October 07, 2015, 19:02:22 PM
Sawtooth oak

I agree.  Burr (Bur) Oaks should not be in the Boss's neck-of-the-woods.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Dougfish on October 07, 2015, 20:24:09 PM
Sawtooth for the win.  'c;
The strands on the cap are finer and more completely cover the nut on a Burr Oak.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Michael Toris on October 07, 2015, 22:35:09 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on October 07, 2015, 20:24:09 PM
Sawtooth for the win.  'c;
The strands on the cap are finer and more completely cover the nut on a Burr Oak.
Sawtooth oak was not in my field guide. What is their native range?
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Michael Toris on October 07, 2015, 22:36:19 PM
Nm, fucking nonnatives.

Take your Asian shit and gtfo
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Michael Toris on October 07, 2015, 22:37:10 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on October 07, 2015, 19:06:24 PM
Quote from: JMiller on October 07, 2015, 19:02:22 PM
Sawtooth oak

I agree.  Burr (Bur) Oaks should not be in the Boss's neck-of-the-woods.
Neither should sawtooth oaks
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Dougfish on October 07, 2015, 22:42:01 PM
Well, let's back up then, Gray.
I should have asked the boss a question or two.

Woolly, was this a wauld off the beaten tracks specimen or in a urban/suburban setting?
Any foliage or stem/bud picks would quickly finish the discussion.

(And Mud doesn't know shit. Burr range goes into NC.)
Title: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: BRFFF on October 07, 2015, 23:00:32 PM
Old Reynold's estate, Reynolda gardens, I looked at the leaves of the Sawtooth on the interwebs and confirmed a match! I had not noticed those acorns before .

Dropped Pin
near 80 Reynolda Village, Winston-Salem, NC 27106
https://goo.gl/maps/kt7WeyWtDmz
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 08, 2015, 09:02:11 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on October 07, 2015, 22:42:01 PM
(And Mud doesn't know shit. Burr range goes into NC.)

Bullshit!  Not according to any map or source I could find.  I am sure they've been planted in NC, but are not native.  Or prove me wrong.

http://www.wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=QUMA2 (http://www.wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=QUMA2)
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Beetle on October 08, 2015, 09:16:28 AM
Woolly- I still have my "leaf collection" from 9th grade.   Did the entire project in about two hours at Reynolda Gardens.   They planted A LOT of non-natives there so it wouldn't surprise me at all to see some weirdos. 
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: JMiller on October 08, 2015, 13:00:27 PM
Quote from: wildmttrout on October 07, 2015, 22:37:10 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on October 07, 2015, 19:06:24 PM
Quote from: JMiller on October 07, 2015, 19:02:22 PM
Sawtooth oak

I agree.  Burr (Bur) Oaks should not be in the Boss's neck-of-the-woods.
Neither should sawtooth oaks


You'll find them planted in a lot of the wildlife management/public hunting areas because they go to mast a lot quicker than the native oaks do. Deer don't know the difference.
So they'll spread from there pretty quickly.
Haven't seen them used much as ornamentals.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 18, 2015, 09:55:31 AM
I think everybody in the southeast with a piece of land they deer hunt on has planted sawtooth oaks. Deer will walk through white oak acorns to get to the sawtooths.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 18, 2015, 10:11:39 AM
I get a kick out of planting trees on my mountain and floodplain property.  That is interesting info on the Sawtooth cycle and taste.   Back in 2012 I planted several Burr Oaks from the acorns of the famous Virginia Tech tree; they are doing great.  The Quaking Aspen and the White Birch I dug up in MN are not doing so well.  Now, I am fascinated by the American Beech; I want to plant several of those. 
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Big J on October 18, 2015, 10:15:33 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on October 18, 2015, 10:11:39 AM
I get a kick out of planting trees on my mountain and floodplain property.  That is interesting info on the Sawtooth cycle and taste.   Back in 2012 I planted several Burr Oaks from the acorns of the famous Virginia Tech tree; they are doing great.  The Quaking Aspen and the White Birch I dug up in MN are not doing so well.  Now, I am fascinated by the American Beech; I want to plant several of those.

There are a lot of American Beeches walking around VT? You planning on transplanting one of them?
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 18, 2015, 11:22:33 AM
Quote from: Big J on October 18, 2015, 10:15:33 AM
There are a lot of American Beeches walking around VT? You planning on transplanting one of them?

You best stick with something you know and love, and it ain't "walking American Beeches"!    Although I am sure you were exposed to them at Liberty, I doubt they were recognizable, hiding behind their supernatural dogmas and their orgasmic yearning for their front row tickets to the Second Coming and the Rapture.   

Anyone ever order trees from these folks?

https://www.arborday.org/ (https://www.arborday.org/)
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Michael Toris on October 18, 2015, 11:36:16 AM
I wish yall assholes would quit planting these damn nonnatives. The hell with burr oaks and sawtooth bullshit; plant more hickory and white oaks.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 18, 2015, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: wildmttrout on October 18, 2015, 11:36:16 AM
I wish yall assholes would quit planting these damn nonnatives. The hell with burr oaks and sawtooth bullshit; plant more hickory and white oaks.

I think there are native burr oaks in Virginia, Doug or Fin? 

This is the celebrated VT tree -- planted many moons ago.

http://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/campus_trees/bur_oak.htm (http://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/campus_trees/bur_oak.htm)
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Dougfish on October 18, 2015, 12:33:07 PM
Earlier in this thread you called bullshit on me.
Now you want my opinion to back you up?  n!n
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 18, 2015, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on October 18, 2015, 12:33:07 PM
Earlier in this thread you called bullshit on me.
Now you want my opinion to back you up?  n!n

Bullshit on NC native Burr Oaks, not Virginia.  And you instigated the bullshit by voicing the reality ("And Mud doesn't know shit."), which is totally true, but that ain't the point.  Answer the damn question and prove me wrong.  Yes, I want your opinion. 

Non sequitur:  My pack weighs 75.75 lbs.  I hope your back is strong.

Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Dougfish on October 18, 2015, 13:20:22 PM
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Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Michael Toris on October 18, 2015, 14:33:22 PM
Plants do not know state lines; show me a real distribution map
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Dougfish on October 18, 2015, 15:06:26 PM
http://plants.usda.gov/core/profile?symbol=QUMA2 (http://plants.usda.gov/core/profile?symbol=QUMA2)

Go to the map and zoom in to get what counties it has been found in. These maps are the best I've found. 6 counties in NW VA.
Have I done enough legwork, now?
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Michael Toris on October 18, 2015, 15:46:13 PM
Are you in one of those counties mudwall?
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 18, 2015, 16:08:40 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on October 18, 2015, 15:06:26 PM
http://plants.usda.gov/core/profile?symbol=QUMA2 (http://plants.usda.gov/core/profile?symbol=QUMA2)

Go to the map and zoom in to get what counties it has been found in. These maps are the best I've found. 6 counties in NW VA.
Have I done enough legwork, now?

Thank you Doug.  You've done some fine work.  You're OK and I don't care what your wife says about you.

Quote from: wildmttrout on October 18, 2015, 15:46:13 PM
Are you in one of those counties mudwall?

Damned close.  I can spit on Highland County.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 18, 2015, 16:11:33 PM
Quote from: wildmttrout on October 18, 2015, 11:36:16 AM
I wish yall assholes would quit planting these damn nonnatives. The hell with burr oaks and sawtooth bullshit; plant more hickory and white oaks.

There's something we agree wholeheartedly on. I spent years as a horticulturist specializing in native plants doing inventories,  restoration of native plant communities, and eradicataing invasive exotic species. Unfortunately, I think we are heading into the Homogocene era as far as vegetation goes.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 18, 2015, 16:19:47 PM
Like you folks I have no love for non-natives. Tread lightly because we, the white eyes, are the epitome of an "invasive exotic species". 
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Dougfish on October 18, 2015, 16:51:49 PM
Those censuses are to be taken with a grain of salt.
Roanoke Co. is not supposed to have Post Oaks. Yet I can take you to one that it would that would take three of us to reach around.
And Roanoke City "has" no Scarlet Oaks. Mine is 80' x 80'.

I grow a lot of non-natives. No qualms about it. I only have one species I would consider an invasive potential.
But I agree, planting asian/european species in the middle of the woods for food plots is dumb.
But a food plot in general is dumb. Everything that gets planted in them is non-native. Lazy hunters plant food plots.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Michael Toris on October 18, 2015, 18:20:59 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on October 18, 2015, 16:19:47 PM
Like you folks I have no love for non-natives. Tread lightly because we, the white eyes, are the epitome of an "invasive exotic species".
Worst invasive species the world has ever seen
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: tomato can on October 22, 2015, 16:57:48 PM
Quote from: wildmttrout on October 18, 2015, 18:20:59 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on October 18, 2015, 16:19:47 PM
Like you folks I have no love for non-natives. Tread lightly because we, the white eyes, are the epitome of an "invasive exotic species".
Worst invasive species the world has ever seen

No Yankees are the worst invasive species.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Michael Toris on October 22, 2015, 16:58:33 PM
Quote from: tomato can on October 22, 2015, 16:57:48 PM
Quote from: wildmttrout on October 18, 2015, 18:20:59 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on October 18, 2015, 16:19:47 PM
Like you folks I have no love for non-natives. Tread lightly because we, the white eyes, are the epitome of an "invasive exotic species".
Worst invasive species the world has ever seen

No Yankees are the worst invasive species.

Hard to argue with that
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Onslow on October 22, 2015, 17:16:00 PM
In my world, it would be Raleighites.  Retirees are moving to Ashe and Allegheny county in droves.  These counties are turning into hoary headed cluster fuck o rama.  Even yet more annoying are those well resourced soccer parent types building second homes up there.  Streams will be damned.

I have no damned idea why any old person would want to move where it is cold, snowy, and windy.  More to the point, no amenities such as hospitals, rehab centers, assisted living.  What are these people thinking!
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: The Dude on October 23, 2015, 06:40:50 AM
Bur oak native range from my national Audubon society field guide.

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Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Woolly Bugger on November 12, 2015, 19:44:47 PM
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Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Dougfish on November 12, 2015, 20:01:04 PM
Tropical. Don't be bringing that shit.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Woolly Bugger on November 12, 2015, 21:16:48 PM
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Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 27, 2016, 18:44:09 PM
Hey Doug , whats this?

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Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Michael Toris on May 27, 2016, 20:12:33 PM
Not Doug, but it looks like Nigella damascena or Love-in-a-Mist
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 27, 2016, 20:25:34 PM
nailed it, they volunteered in a side garden, can't figure out how they got there.... looks like they could be prolific...
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Dougfish on May 28, 2016, 06:28:08 AM
Good job, carpboy.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: ajhock on July 24, 2016, 17:46:55 PM
Six leaves and about 3 ft tall.  Mixed in with lots of rhodo and laurel on a steep bank.

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The leaf at 5 o'clock has a notch.  It did a furtive search on Bing and found nothing. 
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Pansyman on July 24, 2016, 19:23:04 PM
Magnolia, macrophylia.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=magnolia%20macrophylla&qs=IM&form=QBIR&pq=magnolia%2C%20ma&sc=8-12&sp=5&sk=IM4
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: ajhock on July 24, 2016, 20:45:16 PM
Thanks, I had that as minor guess.  Tell me about the notch in the 5 o'clock leaf and why is there only one layer of leaves-or maybe better- why are there no other branch levels.  My limited understanding is that magnolias are sort of dinosaur, or simple, or a we don't really need to evolve type plants.  It is neat that from reading the Wiki, it jumps into spots were there is all of the sudden light.  This is true to this one.  The hemlocks falling to pieces definitely have poked holes in the canopy.  You can kind of see it in the crappy photo, a smattering a light.  A hemlock or two up slope have succumb and this bugger is making a run in a spot that has been pretty shaded for a long time. Thanks.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Dougfish on July 25, 2016, 06:32:58 AM
Might be M. fraseri or M. ashei instead. Are the bases of the leaves prominently lobed? Tough to tell from that pic.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Yallerhammer on July 25, 2016, 07:30:38 AM
M. fraseri is by far the most common one in most of western NC.
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Michael Toris on July 25, 2016, 09:45:23 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on July 25, 2016, 06:32:58 AM
Might be M. fraseri or M. ashei instead. Are the bases of the leaves prominently lobed? Tough to tell from that pic.
You're prominently lobed
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: Dougfish on July 25, 2016, 12:57:46 PM
Quote from: DAYUMson on July 25, 2016, 09:45:23 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on July 25, 2016, 06:32:58 AM
Might be M. fraseri or M. ashei instead. Are the bases of the leaves prominently lobed? Tough to tell from that pic.
You're prominently lobed

You checked?  :o  0:0
Title: Re: Plant/Tree/Bush for Doug
Post by: ajhock on July 25, 2016, 13:11:54 PM
I compared those two and the bigger lobes seem to have it.  Magnolia fraseri. Thanks.

http://www.namethatplant.net/gallery_comparison.shtml?compare=leaves%20of%20Magnolia%20species