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Poll
Question: Will musicians pulling their songs from Spotify Streaming have any impact on them capitalizing on Joe Rogan's podcast?
Option 1: Neil, Joni, & Nils ... who? votes: 2
Option 2: only if major current artists, like Taylor Swift,  join the boycott, votes: 1
Option 3: Joe who? votes: 2
Option 4: what is spotify? and why do I care.? votes: 9
Option 5: one time at bandcamp I got some spots.. votes: 2
Title: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 30, 2022, 09:12:28 AM
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Spotify stock struggles with the announcement of artists pulling their music catalogs from the streaming platform over Joe Rogan's podcast that has disseminated controversial information about Covid Vaccines and treatments.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2022/01/30/spotify-protest-nils-lofgren-neil-young-joe-rogan/
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgrin, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 30, 2022, 09:26:06 AM
https://youtu.be/JHs_f063EzQ
Neil Young - Rockin' In The Free World - SNL rehearsal - 1989
Spotify ranking #782   Neil Young
Neil Percival Young  (born November 12, 1945) is a Canadian-American singer, musician and songwriter. After embarking on a music career in Winnipeg in the 1960s, Young moved to Los Angeles, joining Buffalo Springfield with Stephen Stills, Richie Furay and others. Since the beginning of his solo career with his backing band Crazy Horse, Young has released many critically acclaimed and important albums, such as Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere, After the Gold Rush, Harvest, On The Beach and Rust Never Sleeps. He was a part-time member of Crosby, Stills & Nash.

https://youtu.be/zeaO5UZ5OcI
Joni Mitchell - Coyote (Live at Gordon Lightfoot's Home with Bob Dylan & Roger McGuinn, 1975)
Spotify ranking; not on top 1,000

Roberta Joan "Joni" Mitchell CC (née Anderson; born November 7, 1943) is a Canadian singer-songwriter and painter. Drawing from folk, pop, rock, classical, and jazz, Mitchell's songs often reflect on social and philosophical ideals as well as her feelings about romance, womanhood, disillusionment and joy. She has received many accolades, including nine Grammy Awards and induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1997. Rolling Stone called her "one of the greatest songwriters ever", and AllMusic has stated, "When the dust settles, Joni Mitchell may stand as the most important and influential female recording artist of the late 20th century".

https://youtu.be/cok4901DWqs
NILS LOFGREN - Back It Up (1975 UK TV Appearance)
Spotify ranking; not on top 1,000

Nils Hilmer Lofgren (born June 21, 1951)[1] is an American rock musician, recording artist, songwriter, and multi-instrumentalist. Along with his work as a solo artist, he has been a member of Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band since 1984, a member of Crazy Horse, and founder/frontman of the band Grin. Lofgren was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of the E Street Band in 2014.
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 30, 2022, 09:37:42 AM
Here is an interesting article on music licensing agreements and why many musicians don't own the rights to their music.

https://fortune.com/2022/01/27/neil-young-couldnt-remove-music-from-spotify-alone-music-label-heres-why/

>>>Many artists don't own the rights to their songs
Young is far from the only artist to negotiate with their record label over how their music is used, as many musicians who get drawn into lucrative record deals early in their career never have a chance to own their rights at all.

Prince, another artist associated with Warner Brothers, was famously involved in a decades-long battle with his record company over the ownership rights of his music. 

When a musician makes a deal with a record company, it usually means that any licensing agreement, such as the one between Young's label and Spotify, cannot be undone by the artist alone, because they are no longer in full control of their music.
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 30, 2022, 11:03:53 AM
Top Spotify Artist (in case you were interested

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https://chartmasters.org/most-streamed-artists-ever-on-spotify/



spotify's main demographic is users between 18 and 34 years old.
In 2017, the average monthly time spent listening to Spotify content was 25 hours.
People around the world spent 40.3 billion hours listening to Spotify in 2017.
On average, 146.19 minutes were spent by paid users in the US listening to Spotify as of June 2019.
Free users spent 127.7 minutes using Spotify.
Spotify is one of the most popular mobile apps in the US.
52% of its users like to listen to Spotify using mobile phones and tablets.
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Mr. Don on January 30, 2022, 15:43:58 PM
I loaded Spotify on the TV so I could watch Rogan. You can tell Young is fulla shit and has never watched an episode cause Rogan  ain't a right winger.
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 31, 2022, 09:03:19 AM
Joe Rogan says he'll do better research on covid, give listeners opposing views: 'I don't always get it right'

>>>As a growing number of musicians yanked their work from the streaming service Spotify over misinformation about coronavirus vaccines, podcaster Joe Rogan posted a video this weekend admitting he could do more to better inform his millions of listeners, particularly when it comes to covid.

Rogan, in a nearly 10-minute video Sunday night on Instagram, said he'll make two changes to his show, "The Joe Rogan Experience," to accomplish that. The first: have mainstream experts give their viewpoints after guests espousing more fringe opinions.

The second: "do my best to make sure that I've researched these topics — the controversial ones in particular — and have all the pertinent facts at hand before I discuss them."

"I don't always get it right," he said.

Rogan's comments came amid a firestorm after hundreds of medical professionals called out Spotify earlier this month for letting the podcaster spread "false and societally harmful assertions" about the virus and vaccines, The Washington Post reported. Then, starting with folk rocker Neil Young a week ago, a growing number of artists and podcasters told the streaming service they would take their work off Spotify if the company did not stop Rogan from spreading misinformation on the coronavirus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/joe-rogan-says-he-ll-do-better-research-on-covid-give-listeners-opposing-views-i-don-t-always-get-it-right/ar-AATjY3J?ocid=msedgntp



Spotify responds after Joni Mitchell and others join Neil Young and demand the platform remove their content

>>>Spotify broke its silence on Sunday and announced slight changes to its policies around content concerning covid-19, after facing a week of criticism for allowing its creators — particularly podcaster Joe Rogan — to spread misinformation about the pandemic.

"You've had a lot of questions over the last few days about our platform policies and the lines we have drawn between what is acceptable and what is not," Spotify CEO Daniel Ek wrote in a news release. "We have had rules in place for many years but admittedly, we haven't been transparent around the policies that guide our content more broadly."

The new changes include publicly publishing the company's internal rules for what is allowed on the platform, "testing ways to highlight" those rules to its creators and "working to add a content advisory to any podcast episode that includes a discussion about COVID-19."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2022/01/30/spotify-young-mitchell-rogan-policy/
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 31, 2022, 10:46:55 AM
Joe Rogan apologized to Spotify and half-apologized to Neil Young and Joni Mitchell in a row over COVID-19 misinformation

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZYQ_nDJi6G/


why exactly is this guy so popular?
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 31, 2022, 11:18:22 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on January 31, 2022, 10:46:55 AMwhy exactly is this guy so popular?



Popular?

I forgot who he is/was.  I hope he gave Tyrone Biggums his $50,000.


http://youtu.be/7vUvQHYc3K0
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Dougfish on January 31, 2022, 13:09:41 PM
I canceled my Spotify.
Switching to Apple. I think.  :o
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Beetle on January 31, 2022, 14:47:33 PM
Inhale.  Exhale.  It will be alright.

Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Trout Maharishi on January 31, 2022, 15:50:54 PM
Spotify paid Rogan $100 million for exclusive rights to his podcast. Spotify is a tech company not a music company, the music divison of the company isn't making any money. Pod cast are the moneymaker for them. I don't understand what leverage Young and Joni think they have? I seriously doubt either one of them is giving up much. Whoever has the rights to their music gets paid first and then they get paid. I like most of Rogan's pod cast. I never liked Neil anyway, Joni was OK, now both of them are like me, just another quirky old coot. :laugh:  He has an interesting cross section of people. I don't know why people don't like him? He basically lets whoever wants to come on say what ever they want. Watch the interview with Jack Dorsey and his lawyer from Twitter. He definitely isn't my idea of a right wing personality. If you don't like him don't listen to him, he's still getting paid.  <-;:
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Dougfish on January 31, 2022, 17:00:39 PM
But John,
I hold mean economic grudges/boycotts.

Exxon. 33 years and counting.
Walmart. 23 years and counting.
BP. 12 years and counting.
Orvis fly lines. 8 years and counting.  :laugh:
Capital One. 4 months and counting.
Spotify. 2 weeks and counting.
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Onslow on January 31, 2022, 17:26:28 PM
No windbag is worth that much. Not Stern, Limbaugh, or Rogan. Plumbers are worth much more.
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Onslow on February 01, 2022, 05:13:16 AM
May I suggest we all go on hunger strikes to protest all perceived slights, injustice, and discomfort.  And this whole free speech thing is offensive.  May we all die of hunger.
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 01, 2022, 13:08:09 PM
Another old codger rocker has asked for his music to be deleted from Spotify

>>> Graham Nash wants Spotify to Teach our children facts, not lies. The Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young singer has joined Neil Young in asking Spotify to remove his songs from their service.

Nash is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, famous and influential for his work with CSNY and with the Hollies. He is a staunch advocate of truth telling, and one of rock's steady voices for truth.

By the way, David Crosby has sided with Young as well. He has said on Twitter that if he controlled his catalog he'd remove it from Spotify, as well. But Crosby sold the rights last year and has no say about his Spotify participation.

Stephen Stills, we're waiting. Jackson Browne, too.

Again, all of this is over Joe Rogan's anti-vax and anti-science rantings on his Spotify podcast.

https://www.showbiz411.com/2022/02/01/spotify-problems-grow-as-neil-youngs-band-partner-graham-nash-asks-for-removal-of-songs


Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Mr. Don on February 01, 2022, 13:52:12 PM
I guess I'm one of the few here who actually watch Rogan. He is not anti vax. He is anti vax mandate. Joe had covid. All Joe really wants to do is comedy, hunt, and smoke pot.
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Trout Maharishi on February 01, 2022, 18:01:45 PM
Have any of you actually listened to the pod cast in question? I doubt Neil or Joni or any of the rest of the artist have, and what makes them smarter and more qualified than any of us or the guest he had on to try and sort things out? These guest were highly qualified MD's and scientists not some crack head from skid row.  I think often times these type of decisions are based on negative headlines and false narratives. Does something become disinformation because you don't agree with it? He has had guest on from every side of the covid issue. Here we are 2 years later and we are still finding new treatments, drugs, and more and more people are vaccinated yet the numbers of new cases is through the roof. Things we though were written in stone have turned out to be not true. The vaccine doesn't keep you from being infected or transmitting it to others, it was probably engineered in a lab, cloth mask are basically worthless, drugs they though weren't effective have turned out to be useful. Even natural immunity and vaccinations don't stop you from getting it a second time. I'm more confused every day. I think it is an ever evolving situation and this posturing and BS by these people is laughable to me :laugh:
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Onslow on February 02, 2022, 05:08:19 AM
All of the contrived dumbfuckery pertaining to Rogan, Chappelle, Whoopi, Tlaib, is just bad seed being sown. A bitter harvest will follow.

We are ill prepared to handle a real crisis if peeps are upset about Rogan.
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: greg on February 02, 2022, 06:53:33 AM
I watched it but was tripping on DMT at the time si I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Yallerhammer on February 02, 2022, 07:27:11 AM
They're full of shit. Joe tries to listen to and think about all angles of an issue instead of blindly following the narrative he's told to, which is a rare thing nowadays. Just because something doesn't agree with your ideas or agenda doesn't mean that it's misinformation. Maybe you're wrong. THe idea of a round earth that wasn't the center of the universe was once considered misinformation.  I'm sick of self-righteous cancel culture and forced groupthink.
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: trout-r-us on February 02, 2022, 08:40:30 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on January 31, 2022, 10:46:55 AMwhy exactly is this guy so popular?


Ignorance loves company; sheep need a shepherd.
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Big J on February 02, 2022, 09:04:11 AM
I could honestly not think of a group of people or a story I could care less about.  With all the issues in the world, this being more than 5 minutes of air time and "outrage" is astonishing to me.  And the people on all sides thinking their opinions actually matter.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: trout-r-us on February 02, 2022, 09:28:35 AM
Quote from: Big J on February 02, 2022, 09:04:11 AMI could honestly not think of a group of people or a story I could care less about. ................
And the people on all sides thinking their opinions actually matter.  :laugh:

And yet with all that said you still took time to offer your opinion. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: trout-r-us on February 02, 2022, 09:32:00 AM
For those not familiar with the show,  this guy offers a summary.

https://youtu.be/R7u8C-rcU3k
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 02, 2022, 10:02:46 AM
What is Spotify?  I had no idea before this thread, compelled to look it up.

After seeing Wooly's earlier post, I now know why Spotify was a mystery.


"spotify's main demographic is users between 18 and 34 years old."

Nope, too old.

"Spotify is one of the most popular mobile apps in the US.'

Nope, 0 apps on my flip.

"52% of its users like to listen to Spotify using mobile phones and tablets."

Nope, old phone and don't own a tablet. 

This morning I feel most fortunate to be so oblivious on what the heck is going on. 
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Trout Maharishi on February 02, 2022, 16:51:44 PM
Quote from: Big J on February 02, 2022, 09:04:11 AMI could honestly not think of a group of people or a story I could care less about.  With all the issues in the world, this being more than 5 minutes of air time and "outrage" is astonishing to me.  And the people on all sides thinking their opinions actually matter.  :laugh:
You are so right Big J, the government doesn't give a crap about what we think and we are on the verge of becoming a 3rd world county. China, Russia, inflation, illegal immigration, and crime are on my mind. I don't watch Rogan for Rogan, I watch him for the guest he has on and the conversations they have. It seems a whole lot of people like him though. He is curshing the ratings. https://youtu.be/rcp1VmeHHiI
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Trout Maharishi on February 02, 2022, 16:52:58 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 02, 2022, 10:02:46 AMWhat is Spotify?  I had no idea before this thread, compelled to look it up.

After seeing Wooly's earlier post, I now know why Spotify was a mystery.


"spotify's main demographic is users between 18 and 34 years old."

Nope, too old.

"Spotify is one of the most popular mobile apps in the US.'

Nope, 0 apps on my flip.

"52% of its users like to listen to Spotify using mobile phones and tablets."

Nope, old phone and don't own a tablet. 

This morning I feel most fortunate to be so oblivious on what the heck is going on. 


I'm thinking more and more you may be on to something.
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 02, 2022, 17:01:25 PM
I've not listened to Joe's podcast...


https://youtu.be/DS1usnmXhq8
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Trout Maharishi on February 02, 2022, 17:17:50 PM
Quote from: trout-r-us on February 02, 2022, 09:32:00 AMFor those not familiar with the show,  this guy offers a summary.

https://youtu.be/R7u8C-rcU3k

DMT is old news. Try some 5-MeO-DMT instead. <-;:  :cheers  :o
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Yallerhammer on February 02, 2022, 19:37:30 PM
Quote from: trout-r-us on February 02, 2022, 08:40:30 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on January 31, 2022, 10:46:55 AMwhy exactly is this guy so popular?


Ignorance loves company; sheep need a shepherd.
Yep. Neil Young is a shepherd for a big flock of blind, ignorant bahhhhhing sheep who need someone on the tv to tell them how to think.
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 04, 2022, 11:09:07 AM
controversary has its benefits, Neil Young is promoting Amazon's Four Month Free Trial of their music, which is much higher quality than Spotify and most other streaming services.


https://amzn.to/34yZoMC

Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 05, 2022, 20:53:36 PM
Interesting.  Joe still in the news.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2022-02-05/joe-rogan-apologizes-for-using-n-word
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 06, 2022, 09:02:53 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 05, 2022, 20:53:36 PMInteresting.  Joe still in the news.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2022-02-05/joe-rogan-apologizes-for-using-n-word

They (whomever they are) are digging up the past to harass Joe now that Neil Young has brought his podcast to the forefront. Publicity in any form is good, right? I'll bet his following increases over all of this nonsense, or another 15 minutes of fame...

Neil and the other musicians can voice their opinion, and pull their music from spotify, this isn't a freedom of speech issue, nobody is censoring anyting, wait, spotify just removed over 70 of Joe's podcasts... https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-rogan-experience-episodes-removed-spotify_n_61fef043e4b0f8a1b8453a83

Joe can say whatever he wants. Believers gonna believe, haters gonna hate.


btw... the composite reel of joe can be found on twitter....


disclaimer: I've still not listened to one of Joe's podcast....







 


 
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: trout-r-us on February 06, 2022, 09:44:38 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 05, 2022, 20:53:36 PMInteresting.  Joe still in the news.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2022-02-05/joe-rogan-apologizes-for-using-n-word

"I'm not racist, but....................
"Rogan also apologized for a clip "that makes me sick" from a decade ago when he told a story on a deleted episode of the show about getting dropped off in an "all-Black neighborhood" to see the movie "Planet of the Apes."

"I was trying to make the story entertaining, and I said, we got out, and it was 'like we were in Africa, it's like we were in Planet of the Apes,'" Rogan recounted. "I did not, nor would I ever say Black people are apes, but it sure f— sounded like that."
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 06, 2022, 10:36:10 AM
down the rabbit hole... here is a list of some of Joe's "Smartest Guests"

Elon Musk.
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Sam Harris
Dr. Rhonda Patrick
Brian Cox
Tim Ferriss
Eric Weinstein
Naval Ravikant
Jon Stewart
Andrew Yang


https://www.one37pm.com/grind/entrepreneurs/joe-rogan-podcast-smartest-guests#:~:text=The%2020%20Smartest%20Joe%20Rogan%20Podcast%20Guests%201,...%2010%20Andrew%20Yang.%20...%20More%20items...%20


I may give him a listen on the next drive after finishing Devil in the White City...

Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Phil on February 06, 2022, 11:20:38 AM
As a musician, here's why I don't like Spotify (excerpts from a New Yorker article)

"It is good to see Spotify suffer, at least in the short term. The Swedish streaming service has fostered a music-distribution model that is singularly hostile to the interests of working musicians. It pays out, on average, an estimated four-tenths of a cent per stream, meaning that a thousand streams nets around four dollars. That arrangement has reaped huge profits for major labels and for superstars while decimating smaller-scale musical incomes—as perfect an embodiment of the winner-takes-all neoliberal economy as has yet been devised.

... the rage against Spotify falls into a familiar American pattern: instead of addressing systemic issues, we stage morality plays involving the misdeeds of individuals. One miscreant falls, another rises, and the song remains the same. Young, to his credit, has made a quantifiable sacrifice: without Spotify, his royalties will suffer, although he may receive a compensatory boost from youngsters who approve of his stance. Are consumers willing to sacrifice as well? The magic of Spotify is its convenience. You can get almost any music you want, any time. Apple Music offers you the same gorgeous infinitude. What if, in order to support musicians that you care about, you were asked to give up the very idea that all music should be available on demand?

Spotify used the financial model of arbitrage to obtain a cheap if not free product—digital music—and resell it in a new context to realize profit. In other words, Spotify's profit requires that digital music have no value. Spotify continually talks down the value of music on their platform—they offer it for free; they tell musicians we are lucky to be paid anything for it; they insist that without their service, there is only piracy and zero income....
When revenues from record sales plummeted, artists were told that they could still make a decent living from touring, merchandising, and so forth.
 The message is clear enough: to thrive in the streaming era, all you need to do is to attain such mammoth, oxygen-depleting fame that a piddling four-tenths of a cent can be multiplied into hundreds of thousands of dollars. To those with much, more will be given. The coldness of the logic became starkly clear when the pandemic shut down touring, wiping out those who were eking out a livelihood on the road."
How can you help?
"You can also do the old-fashioned thing and buy an album. I recently wrote about Stephen Hough's superb recording of the Chopin Nocturnes, on the Hyperion label. Hyperion is one of relatively few labels that have stood aloof from the streaming world; they don't even participate in idagio, a classical-only service. Simon Perry, the label's director, told Strings magazine, "Everybody reads about how brilliant streaming is for the record business. It's not. We spent £1.4m . . . last year just to get the audio made. I've got to generate the income from sales to pay for that audio. If I turn on streaming, I'll never pay for that." On Twitter, Hough offered a more specific explanation for his album's absence from most streaming services: "We had to pay the piano tuner 🙂.""
Article by Alex Ross (New Yorker)



Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Fishbug on February 07, 2022, 12:05:32 PM
I only downloaded Spotify to listen to Rogan.
Listen for free.
Best part is I can fast forward through the ads unlike when Apple hosted.

Wooly - jump on board.

Great podcast.
Great conversations.
Interesting guests

I mostly pick and choose episodes or recurrent guests (eg all of Steve Rinella episodes are good).
Lost of good episodes from guest I have never heard of prior.

Most the hate comes from people who haven't listened.


Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 07, 2022, 17:38:56 PM
I listened to part the Musk interview - very spontaneous, Joe didn't appear to have done any prep work for the interview — meh

I've already got enough to listen to without adding Joe - mostly listen to books and a few select podcast while driving — at home mostly music  d:b
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Onslow on February 07, 2022, 19:11:05 PM
I'd rather listen to these lovely ladies.  Elmira can sing beautifully in at least three different languages.

https://youtu.be/0evioUE_KGU
Title: Re: Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Nils Lofgren, Joe Rogan, and Spotify....
Post by: Trout Maharishi on March 12, 2023, 22:04:46 PM
Looks like Spotify is still doing OK despite all of the blowback from a few months ago. Turns out Joe and a couple of his guest may have been ahead of the curve on Covid.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/spotify-crosses-500m-users-as-wall-street-bullish-on-eks-next-generation-pledge-122505613.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/spotify-crosses-500m-users-as-wall-street-bullish-on-eks-next-generation-pledge-122505613.html)