French Broad is inundated and out of its banks as is the Davidson.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CSsFKYGLKVr/
https://waterdata.usgs.gov/usa/nwis/uv?site_no=03441000
I knew there was going to be a problem with the storm coming. The creeks were already high and the ground saturated. DRO said the road is blocked off beyond the shop at the entrance to the NF. I still remember years ago (2010?) when it flooded so bad it washed all the fish out of the hatchery into the parking lot at the NC wildlife center. Just a few years before that it washed the old wooden bridge out at the hatchery and a big rock and mud slide closed the road beyond the hatchery for years.
The Davidson drains faster than most, looks like Haywood County is underwater. People are missing. Hope the Hillbilly is OK https://www.wral.com/houses-bridges-washed-away-fred-hits-western-nc-with-force/19830479/ (https://www.wral.com/houses-bridges-washed-away-fred-hits-western-nc-with-force/19830479/)
Biltmore Village just south of Asheville near (now in) the Swannanoa river.
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Little Swannanoa river looked like the Colorado
https://www.accuweather.com/en/videos/N5uPJQZD
Extreme Meteorologist Reed Timmer was on the scene as torrential rain from the remnants of Tropical Storm Fred led to severe flooding in Pisgah National Forest on Aug. 17.
I sent a message to Steve?Hillbilly last night. I haven't heard from him. Hope he's ok
Yep, I'm ok. I got caught in the mudslide traffic nightmare on I-40,, took me three and a half hours to get home yesterday afternoon. Then, the Pigeon was flooded across the road below my house. I live a stone's throw from the Pigeon, but I'm up on the hill. My truck looks like I've been mudbogging just from driving to work this morning on paved roads.
I saw car crash footage, rock slide, trailors floating down the river. It looked like the read deal.
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 18, 2021, 11:20:54 AMI saw car crash footage, rock slide, trailors floating down the river. It looked like the read deal.
Yeah, it's a damn mess. Not nearly as bad as Ivan back in 2004, but bad enough. Still lots of roads closed, including 74 through the Nantahala Gorge.
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That's not far from me.
Lots of people are missing :'( Curso is on the edge of Shining Rock Wilderness on the Big East Prong of the Pigeon, and Lake Logan is where the West Prong of the Pigenon empties into. Both are steep gradient drainages.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/north-carolina-flash-floods-brought-by-tropical-depression-fred-leave-30-missing/ar-AANt3BU?ocid=uxbndlbing
Latest count this morning is 35 people still missing here in Haywood. Not looking good after more than 36 hours.
That's tragic news about the missing people... can't fathom the misery and worry for lost loved ones.
Scott Lewis, aka Maniac, has text me that the Davidson River Hatchery flooded out...
he says "trout all over the sidwalk/parking lot"
damage at teh hatchery...
I saw some pics today from a guy I work with who lives in Cruso on the Big east Fork of the Pigeon. His house is pretty much destroyed. They won't even let him go back up there. Houses sitting in the middle of what's left of the roads, lots of houses just gone. Pile of cars and trees and house trailers and campers and utility sheds. Houses on top of piles of cars. Trout laying around dead on the ground and swimming in puddles. It's unbelievable, looks like a nuke dropped.
Ugh. Sad, sad stuff.
276 closed
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That section that's closed is from Cruso to Brevard. It's a winding 2 lane goat path and I imagine it's wiped out in many places. Gonna be a long drive for someone to get around that section. No access to the Blue Ridge Parkway in either direction for miles either.
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 19, 2021, 18:00:30 PMThat section that's closed is from Cruso to Brevard. It's a winding 2 lane goat path and I imagine it's wiped out in many places. Gonna be a long drive for someone to get around that section. No access to the Blue Ridge Parkway in either direction for miles either.
I heard the triple arch bride on 215 had heavy damage, too.
Edit: "bridge," not bride. I don't know how the triple arch bride is doing, but her back will probably go out when she hits middle age.
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 19, 2021, 18:08:05 PMQuote from: Trout Maharishi on August 19, 2021, 18:00:30 PMThat section that's closed is from Cruso to Brevard. It's a winding 2 lane goat path and I imagine it's wiped out in many places. Gonna be a long drive for someone to get around that section. No access to the Blue Ridge Parkway in either direction for miles either.
I heard the triple arch bride on 215 had heavy damage, too.
Oh no :'( That one is a beauty. I've seen photos of some of the bridges on the Davidson. They aren't safe and I'm sure they will be closed for a long time. All the forest service roads are closed over that way. The last time FS475 was damaged it took 3 or 4 years to open. The bridge at the hatchery looks like it's toast. The last time that was wipped out it took 3 years to replace it. I've never seen damage like this. I'm sure the US Forest Service doesn't have money to replace them.
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 19, 2021, 18:21:53 PMQuote from: Yallerhammer on August 19, 2021, 18:08:05 PMQuote from: Trout Maharishi on August 19, 2021, 18:00:30 PMThat section that's closed is from Cruso to Brevard. It's a winding 2 lane goat path and I imagine it's wiped out in many places. Gonna be a long drive for someone to get around that section. No access to the Blue Ridge Parkway in either direction for miles either.
I heard the triple arch bride on 215 had heavy damage, too.
Oh no :'( That one is a beauty. I've seen photos of some of the bridges on the Davidson. They aren't safe and I'm sure they will be closed for a long time. All the forest service roads are closed over that way. The last time FS275 was damaged it took 3 or 4 years to open. The bridge at the hatchery looks like it's toast. The last time that was wipped out it took 3 years to replace it. I've never seen damage like this. I'm sure the US Forest Service doesn't have money to replace them.
I was told that the Cruso Community Center is sitting in the middle of 276.
Is the community center close to the fire dept? I bet 215 is toast too. I've never in my lifetime seen damage like this. I knew it was going to be bad when the ground was alread saturated and all the creeks were blow out before it ever hit. :'(
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>>>Authorities combing areas of North Carolina flooded by the remnants of Tropical Storm Fred said Thursday that two people have been found dead and about 20 were unaccounted for.
Meanwhile, Fred — now a post-tropical cyclone — was pushing through New York and New England with drenching rains, and Tropical Storm Henri was sending dangerous waves onto East Coast beaches. Forecasters said Henri will likely strengthen into a hurricane as it approaches the northeastern U.S. early next week.
https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/article/2-dead-20-missing-in-North-Carolina-county-16398375.php#photo-21371915
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/2-dead-roughly-20-missing-in-western-nc-county-following-historic-flooding/ar-AANt6u4?ocid=BingNewsSearch#image=AANt6u4_1|10
Call out the National Guard and FEMA and ask for federal help Roy. This is so sad, these poor people need help now.
Updated list of open and closed areas/roads in the Pisgah Ranger District. Please heed all signs, warnings and closures.
OPEN Developed Recreation Areas:
Pisgah Visitor Center
Davidson River Campground
North Mills River Campground
Lake Powhatan Campground
Sunburst Campground
Wash Creek Horse Campground
Kuykendall Group Campground
Coontree Picnic Area (restrooms closed)
Pink Beds Picnic Area
CLOSED Developed Recreation Areas:
Sycamore Flats Picnic Area
Sliding Rock
Wolf Ford Horse Campground
Cove Creek Group Campground
Cradle of Forestry (Reopens Wednesday, August 25th)
CLOSED Roads:
Davidson River Road (FS 475) – Multiple slides, long term closure anticipated.
Courthouse Creek Road (FS 140) – Multiple slides, long term closure anticipated.
Yellow Gap Road (FS 1206)
Pilot Mountain Road (FS 229)
Avery Creek Road (FS 477)
Headwaters Road (FS 475B)
Bent Creek (FS 479)
Wash Creek (FS 5000)
West Fork Pigeon, Beetree Creek, North Fork Swannanoa, South Toe all reached rates of flow of 300 cfs/per square mile of watershed. I'm surprised there are no reports of damage in the South Toe watershed.
I think I saw where black mountain campground and Carolina hemlock are closed. They must have had a fair amount of damage.
Thursday night we had a flash flood in a part of Stoney Creek that tore out bridges and deposited thousands of rocks on the roads and wrecked several houses. A mile away there was only a little rain and zero damage
JT
N.C. Department of Transportation says 23 bridges were closed in western North Carolina on Friday because of the flooding.
A few years back I knew a kid that was studying to become an engineer. He got a summer job with DOT inspecting bridges in WNC. OMG you should have heard some of the stories he told me :o We drive over stuff every day we assume is safe. b';
Quote from: Onslow on August 21, 2021, 07:59:35 AMWest Fork Pigeon, Beetree Creek, North Fork Swannanoa, South Toe all reached rates of flow of 300 cfs/per square mile of watershed. I'm surprised there are no reports of damage in the South Toe watershed.
There's very little low lying development in the South Toe watershed. It flows through 1 golf course, a couple campgrounds, and a whole lotta bupkiss.
This was the first time I've ever been grateful for those stupid fucking Duke Power lakes on the Tuck forks. They drew the lakes down ahead of the storm, otherwise Cullowhee/Sylva, Dillboro and Bryson City would all have ended up like Canton.
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 19, 2021, 18:21:53 PMQuote from: Yallerhammer on August 19, 2021, 18:08:05 PMQuote from: Trout Maharishi on August 19, 2021, 18:00:30 PMThat section that's closed is from Cruso to Brevard. It's a winding 2 lane goat path and I imagine it's wiped out in many places. Gonna be a long drive for someone to get around that section. No access to the Blue Ridge Parkway in either direction for miles either.
I heard the triple arch bride on 215 had heavy damage, too.
Oh no :'( That one is a beauty. I've seen photos of some of the bridges on the Davidson. They aren't safe and I'm sure they will be closed for a long time. All the forest service roads are closed over that way. The last time FS275 was damaged it took 3 or 4 years to open. The bridge at the hatchery looks like it's toast. The last time that was wipped out it took 3 years to replace it. I've never seen damage like this. I'm sure the US Forest Service doesn't have money to replace them.
The bridge is fucked.
https://wlos.com/news/local/floodwaters-damage-historic-bridge-near-blue-ridge-parkway
https://climate.ncsu.edu/blog/2021/08/rapid-reaction-fred-fosters-floods-in-western-nc/
Quote from: benben reincarnated on August 23, 2021, 07:11:18 AMQuote from: Trout Maharishi on August 19, 2021, 18:21:53 PMQuote from: Yallerhammer on August 19, 2021, 18:08:05 PMQuote from: Trout Maharishi on August 19, 2021, 18:00:30 PMThat section that's closed is from Cruso to Brevard. It's a winding 2 lane goat path and I imagine it's wiped out in many places. Gonna be a long drive for someone to get around that section. No access to the Blue Ridge Parkway in either direction for miles either.
I heard the triple arch bride on 215 had heavy damage, too.
Oh no :'( That one is a beauty. I've seen photos of some of the bridges on the Davidson. They aren't safe and I'm sure they will be closed for a long time. All the forest service roads are closed over that way. The last time FS275 was damaged it took 3 or 4 years to open. The bridge at the hatchery looks like it's toast. The last time that was wipped out it took 3 years to replace it. I've never seen damage like this. I'm sure the US Forest Service doesn't have money to replace them.
The bridge is fucked.
The one in the article is not the triple arch, which is farther upstream and just downstream to where Flat Laurel comes in. From what I can see in a brief glance at the article's pictures, the stone bridge structure itself may be ok, but the pavement and embankments are going to need some major work.
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 22, 2021, 20:03:28 PMA few years back I knew a kid that was studying to become an engineer. He got a summer job with DOT inspecting bridges in WNC. OMG you should have heard some of the stories he told me :o We drive over stuff ever day we assume is safe. b';
I'm the stormwater engineer for my county's roads and bridges dept. I'm no structural engineer by any means, but I agree with this statement 100%. I've seen bridges with holes through some of the steel supports and bridges with rotted out timber supports.
Ok, I am confused, perhaps more than normal. Where is 215 closed again?
Thanks.
TB
Lots of native American and paleo artifacts are being found.
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 25, 2021, 10:09:41 AMLots of native American and paleo artifacts are being found.
https://youtu.be/X_-q9xeOgG4
terrible. I hate it for Haywood and Yancy and the surrounding counties and the people. I was just up on the S. Toe in August, and I fished off hwy 215 last year on both sides of the parkway. beautiful country up there.
keep the updates coming, please.
I'm thinking the rain from Ida is not going to help those still trying to dry out from Fred. Folks I know from that area fared OK but many of their neighbors didn't. There is also the loss of many jobs - folks whose homes survived tell me they don't have a job to go to. Their big fear is some of the businesses that are flooded may use this as an excuse to pull the plug entirely rather then rebuild.
We just got a couple inches from Ida here in Haywood, thankfully. No flooding that I saw. I don't think we could have stood another round.
NJ, NY got pounded.