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Title: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on September 15, 2015, 16:22:01 PM
On the board.

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Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: bmadd on September 15, 2015, 16:47:21 PM
Are you currently sleeping out of that truck? Seems like a weird place to keep all of your shoes.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: driver on September 15, 2015, 16:56:11 PM
Must have gut shot her. I don't see any entry/exit wounds, or hit it with the truck..

I'm currently trying to determine if I will still be able to hunt where I have been..
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on September 15, 2015, 17:42:02 PM
Gutshot.com
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on September 15, 2015, 18:16:06 PM
Looks like a perfect meat deer there, and any deer killed with a bow is a goodun.  V:;

I haven't been yet. These last couple mornings in the low 40s have been giving me the urge, though. I'll be out there in a couple weeks with my homemade selfbow, cane arrows, and flint points.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Al on September 15, 2015, 19:34:11 PM
Good job RB  'c;  Yel Hammer is right, any deer shot with bow is a good deer.

I am ahead of the game. Shot one last week in VA (Urban Archery) and one down here in Fayetteville yesterday. Both does - yesterday a real big one.  Wife is already complaining about lack of freezer space. I always worry about starting at zero each year but pressure is definitely off now.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on September 15, 2015, 19:54:34 PM
Ive been hearing complaints about my freezer being empty.  Shot 4 last year and only gave one to the China lady at work.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on September 16, 2015, 06:38:22 AM
My stock of deer meat is running really, really low. Three-four will usually do me and my wife a year since the ravenous teenage humans grew up and moved out.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: benben reincarnated on September 18, 2015, 09:37:20 AM
impressive buck

http://www.northcarolinasportsman.com/details.php?id=5348 (http://www.northcarolinasportsman.com/details.php?id=5348)

Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on September 18, 2015, 10:03:57 AM
Yep. 5 miles from zee house.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: OldDominionAngler on September 18, 2015, 10:26:12 AM
Who's the resident expert in turning deer parts into fly tying materials?  In general can you expect good grade tying materials from any run of the mill neighborhood white tail?  Is it belly hair that's the best for spinning?  Any other usable tying materials to hold on to other than bucktail and belly fur?  Hit it with some borax and that's it for preservation?

Just looking for some general knowledge here..anything has to be better then the garbage they sell at local Orvis.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: driver on September 18, 2015, 12:10:20 PM
The belly hair for deer around here is too short and thin to spin with. Imo

The bucktail tends to be shorter and finer that the northern deer. But l like the finer hair on clousers.

Borax paste will work or just cake it in salt for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: OldDominionAngler on September 18, 2015, 13:11:03 PM
Quote from: driver on September 18, 2015, 12:10:20 PM
The belly hair for deer around here is too short and thin to spin with. Imo

The bucktail tends to be shorter and finer that the northern deer. But l like the finer hair on clousers.

Borax paste will work or just cake it in salt for a couple of weeks.

That's what I needed to know, thanks.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Jfey on September 18, 2015, 13:54:16 PM
Nice future venison Bum.   

I read the article that Ben posted and there was mention of putting special "mineral supplements" to grow bigger antlers and attract them.   Isn't that like bragging about catching a 20 inch stocker on a pellet fly?   I guess is your hunting solely to stock the freezer its not a big deal, but don't you lose bragging rights at that point?
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: benben reincarnated on September 18, 2015, 14:17:09 PM
Quote from: Jfey on September 18, 2015, 13:54:16 PM
I read the article that Ben posted and there was mention of putting special "mineral supplements" to grow bigger antlers and attract them.   Isn't that like bragging about catching a 20 inch stocker on a pellet fly?   I guess is your hunting solely to stock the freezer its not a big deal, but don't you lose bragging rights at that point?

We did that, put out what we call 'salt licks', basically a block of minerals and stuff and the deer would lick them.  I can't say it helped the deer grow bigger antlers though for us at least.  We have property we own and then 3 other leased tracks of land, all widely separated, and the deer didn't have bigger antlers on our property where we had the salt lick.  Not to mention we stopped doing that years ago and my dad is consistently bagging bigger antlered deer than I recall ever seeing on any of our properties.  FWIW.

Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dougfish on September 18, 2015, 14:31:15 PM
What that guy did is akin to hunting over bait.  p;-
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on September 18, 2015, 16:27:04 PM
Which is totally legal in NC. 

As per the mineral thing...deer pretty much stop using them around this time of year so i doubt he was sitting near the mineral lick.  Basically it helps them survive during tough winters when there isnt much greenery to get vitamins from, which in turn gives them a headstart on growing a big rack.  It also helps does produce better quality milk for youngins.  Not really cheating at all, just improving the health of the herd.

Im sure Al will chime in. 

Another sidenote for baiting, most of your mature deer are not gonna visit a cornpile during daylight hours, thats why so many young bucks get killed in NC and why so many claim NC cant produce monster bucks.  They shoot the 2.5 year olds before they get to be old dogs.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Jfey on September 18, 2015, 17:04:06 PM
Quote from: RiverbumCO on September 18, 2015, 16:27:04 PM

As per the mineral thing...deer pretty much stop using them around this time of year so i doubt he was sitting near the mineral lick. 

To quote bossman... Jis saying

"They will come to it every day," he said. "I take it away a couple of days before I'm going to hunt, and when I put it back out, they smell it and come running."

I don't really care one way or the other, just curious what the stance was.  Either way, its a nice deer.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on September 18, 2015, 17:47:52 PM
I think homey is great at marketing hisself.  "Put it back out they come running in."  I could be wrong but that shit does not happen or else somebody would be a billionaire off of that. 
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on September 19, 2015, 08:29:25 AM
Bum, I'm with you-I put out mineral licks, but the deer quit using them before the season opens. And another reason NC doesn't have big deer like the midwest is that we have a totally different subspecies of deer, the soil and agriculture isn't the same, either. Most NC bucks would not be tv show trophies by any means if they died from old age. I live beside the national park, and I see deer that get as big as they can. There are some nice ones occasionally, but most will never break 115" before they die.

Plus, teenage bucks taste good.  :P
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on September 19, 2015, 10:52:55 AM
Well, fortunately for me the NW corner of the state consistently produces big deer.  I guess our genetics and agriculture just add up to big bucks.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on September 19, 2015, 12:38:54 PM
The salt is the major attractant.  They need the salt but the minerals are what really helps with overall health.  I dont know anybody that actually hunts over minerals during thw season.  More of a way to get trailcam pics in the spring and summer.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Al on September 19, 2015, 19:48:57 PM
Finally got out of my deer stand long enough to post a response ;D

Actually IMHO RB, YH and TF have been spot on.  Some states allow baiting and some do not. I hunt in NC and VA and that is the case - NC does and VA does not. Up in VA they sell all the same stuff they do down here and I am sure lots of folks hunt over bait but I do not. I'm hooked in with the VDGIF and can not afford to see my name in the paper for a violation - besides that it really isn't necessary. Up there I do well by targeting natural food sources and travel funnels.

I do have a mineral block and throw corn on the edge of my lawn 9 months out of the year but that all stops on Sept 1st and does not start again until the 1st Saturday in January. I keep a camera there and it is a good way to survey the herd - I really like the photos in January because it tells me what bucks made it through the season. It also tells me how many does I have around and which gives me idea of how many I might want to attempt to take (had one recent shot with 6 does in same photo so I will not pass any this year)

I have access to three private spots here in NC and I do use bait and a mineral block at two of them (I keep the mineral block out year around) - at one spot there is a big soybean field so I think my corn would be a waste of money.  The reason I bait at the two spots is both are small properties and in order to draw deer from the surrounding property I sweeten things up with bait and mineral blocks. This has limited success. IMHO corn works good early in the season. If you only hunt one or two sites and hunt a lot you will end up over hunting a spot, ie spreading your scent around and the deer will either avoid the spot or go nocturnal. The worst case scenario is belonging to a hunt club were everyone has a bait pile - it does not take long for the deer to figure things out and go nocturnal. You will go through lots of corn and see lots of photos but not many deer during daylight.

Corn piles lose their effectiveness once acorns start to drop - corn will actually go sour or start to sprout if we have a good acorn drop. At my two spots where if use corn I use it early on and then abandon those spots until late in the season. I replenish the corn about the 10th of December and have found bucks will come to it because they are trying to recover from the rigors of the rut - late season is all about food. I have shot some wall hangers right after Christmas.

Big bucks are tough to kill - they are mainly nocturnal until the build up to and during the rut. Case in point one of my spots has two or more nice bucks. I sat there this morning and did not see a thing. I pulled my camera card when I got down and found 633 photos taken in the last 6 days - every one was at night. Here is a sample
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Down here in NC, especially where I live it is so flat it is difficult to locate reliable trails - the deer just spread out and go where ever they want. Up in VA it is much easier because deer are lazy and make much more use of terrain features. Learn to recognize these funnels and you will do well.


Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on September 19, 2015, 22:21:29 PM
Deers are fun.  Al, check out Midwest Whitetail, its an online webshow biweekly during the season and its pretty damn good compared to the crap on tv.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: benben reincarnated on September 21, 2015, 07:48:41 AM
Well, the deer wasn't a NC harvested deer after all...

http://www.northcarolinasportsman.com/details.php?id=5351 (http://www.northcarolinasportsman.com/details.php?id=5351)


Thompson posted on his Facebook page on Sunday night that a non-typical buck that he measured at 208 inches net non-typical – more than 30 inches larger than the existing state-record archery kill – taken by Nick Davis, an Elkin hunter, were actually a set of antlers from Pennsylvania that had been screwed into the skull plate of a small buck killed in North Carolina.


Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: ptfranze on September 21, 2015, 08:07:20 AM
The shit some people will do for attention
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on September 21, 2015, 08:20:13 AM
I told yall there is no magic attractant that deer come running to.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 21, 2015, 08:37:00 AM
The son put up a cam this year.  He's recorded 5 different bucks (one is a 9), plus a nice bear.  He's hoping to see the offspring of the one he killed 2 years ago; it was the last really big one we've seen. 
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on September 21, 2015, 09:42:10 AM
Quote from: benben on September 21, 2015, 07:48:41 AM
Well, the deer wasn't a NC harvested deer after all...

http://www.northcarolinasportsman.com/details.php?id=5351 (http://www.northcarolinasportsman.com/details.php?id=5351)


Thompson posted on his Facebook page on Sunday night that a non-typical buck that he measured at 208 inches net non-typical – more than 30 inches larger than the existing state-record archery kill – taken by Nick Davis, an Elkin hunter, were actually a set of antlers from Pennsylvania that had been screwed into the skull plate of a small buck killed in North Carolina.

Good God. Horn worshipers are strange.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: ptfranze on September 25, 2015, 15:55:32 PM
Here is what happens when you lie about stupid shit...

http://www.northcarolinasportsman.com/details.php?id=5366 (http://www.northcarolinasportsman.com/details.php?id=5366)
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Al on October 27, 2015, 13:24:12 PM
Shot this one last Saturday with my crossbow. Thought I saw him fall but waited 30 minutes just to make sure. Ended up staying in stand about an hour because several more came by and I did not want to spook them. (Wife says if I bring anymore home I should stop by Lowes for bigger freezer first ;D )

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Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Big J on October 27, 2015, 13:27:23 PM
Nice Buck Al.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dougfish on October 27, 2015, 13:46:27 PM
Full freezer=back to fishing?

'c;
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 27, 2015, 14:11:35 PM
That's a nice buck, Al!
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Al on October 27, 2015, 14:55:23 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on October 27, 2015, 13:46:27 PM
Full freezer=back to fishing?

'c;

Yep, giving it some serious thought :o  - 
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: driver on October 27, 2015, 15:13:58 PM
Al, if you shoot another in VA just drop it off at my house on the way back to Fayetteville
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on October 27, 2015, 20:23:22 PM
Nice deer....they arent even hot yet.  Its about to get great.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: natureboy on October 27, 2015, 21:35:49 PM
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This is the one I hope wanders by...  Though more than likely I'll end up with many little bucks sighted and two or three does in the freezer by seasons end.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: bmadd on November 08, 2015, 10:08:51 AM
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Baby brother got his second deer yesterday afternoon. He had seen this one on his trail camera several times this summer. Rut is on here.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: bmadd on November 08, 2015, 11:05:12 AM
Ducks and dove only now. Deer and turkey went the wayside to fish more.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Al on November 08, 2015, 13:13:07 PM
I think you could call this a "six point"  -  Last evening @ Wounded Warrior hunt up in town of Inez - Warren County NC  (Oppps, I see a browe tine so thing we have a seven or maybe an eight here.  No matter the count, we had a great time and met some wonderful folks.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Al on November 08, 2015, 14:09:58 PM
Quote from: troutfanatic on November 08, 2015, 13:35:37 PM

Did Joe H. get one?

No, he did not. Not for lack of trying but with the warm temperatures the deer were not moving. Another challenge is the surrounding areas have been hunted hard for the past three weeks by dog hunting clubs. It has been my experience that deer go nocturnal soon after they get run by dogs for very long.

I told him to talk with you and perhaps you would be willing to give up your slot so he could try for a mulligan at Caldwell.

Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 08, 2015, 18:52:37 PM
Seen a nice ass buck with a herd of does this evening while fishing. Big pimpin'. Many deer were out doing their thing between 1:00 pm and 3:00 pm. Didn't act skittish at all to be this time of year.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 08, 2015, 19:00:28 PM
I did almost nothing but hunt growing up. Got burnt out on it. I get that urge from time to time, but not like I used to. Time is also a factor. Strangely enough, land access is not an issue.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 08, 2015, 19:17:22 PM
Access is a real bitch. I can help you out there, but I'm an hour from you....maybe a little more.

Here's my yard lots of mornings/evenings:

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Also, many other critters are around. Had a huge red fox in the yard the other morning.

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Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 08, 2015, 19:20:41 PM
Seems like when I was getting directions for your bake a while back that my GPS said like 70-80 miles give or take.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 08, 2015, 19:26:33 PM
Bring it on if you need somewhere to hunt. I've got quite a few places that I have access to where you'd do well.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 08, 2015, 19:31:48 PM
Just let me know. I'll do what I can to help.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on November 09, 2015, 12:36:41 PM
Keep that Pollock out of Surry County!
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Pansyman on November 09, 2015, 19:52:32 PM
 1 of 2 nannerheads I killed from Gordy's stand this weekend -+;
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on November 10, 2015, 08:14:26 AM
Quote from: pansyman on November 09, 2015, 19:52:32 PM
1 of 2 nannerheads I killed from Gordy's stand this weekend -+;

Backstraps!  y;
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 13, 2015, 14:12:47 PM
I'm hunting tomorrow.  Check out this rack some friends discovered, one that did not make it from last year. 
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on November 15, 2015, 09:48:21 AM
Stokes county monster.  Killed about 200yds from a spot i used to have access to.
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Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on November 16, 2015, 08:14:20 AM
Got me a couple good meat bucks last week with the old Hawken. Need about  two more in the freezer before the end of the season.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Grannyknot on November 19, 2015, 10:14:49 AM
Question...do any of you guys get shoulder roasts cut?
I had 2 in my freezer and cut one up for jerky last night.
It was a hard piece to work with.  Full of that tough sinew.
Wondering what to do with the other one.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on November 19, 2015, 10:24:39 AM
I usually grind my shoulders. The other best way to handle them is to throw them on the smoker whole and make bbq. They turn out good, and most of that collagen and crap breaks down when you smoke them to about 200*-205* internal and they fall right off the bone and pull apart like a pork butt. I usually smoke 'em nekkid until they hit about 170, then wrap in foil with some squeeze butter, apple juice, and brown sugar and throw back on until they probe like butter.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Grannyknot on November 19, 2015, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on November 19, 2015, 10:24:39 AM
I usually grind my shoulders. The other best way to handle them is to throw them on the smoker whole and make bbq. They turn out good, and most of that collagen and crap breaks down when you smoke them to about 200*-205* internal and they fall right off the bone and pull apart like a pork butt. I usually smoke 'em nekkid until they hit about 170, then wrap in foil with some squeeze butter, apple juice, and brown sugar and throw back on until they probe like butter.

any gamey taste to it?
Thought about smoking it, but there isn't any fat on it like a pork shoulder, just all that sinew & tough skin like stuff that you can peel off.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: benben reincarnated on November 19, 2015, 11:22:42 AM
just throw it away
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on November 19, 2015, 12:41:19 PM
No gamy taste if it's handled right. I've fed deer bbq to folks who didn't know it was deer and wouldn't have eaten it if they had; and they'd be all bragging about how good it was. The wrapping halfway through the process helps with keeping it from drying out because of low fat content.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Michael Toris on November 19, 2015, 14:41:07 PM
Quote from: Grannyknot on November 19, 2015, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on November 19, 2015, 10:24:39 AM
I usually grind my shoulders. The other best way to handle them is to throw them on the smoker whole and make bbq. They turn out good, and most of that collagen and crap breaks down when you smoke them to about 200*-205* internal and they fall right off the bone and pull apart like a pork butt. I usually smoke 'em nekkid until they hit about 170, then wrap in foil with some squeeze butter, apple juice, and brown sugar and throw back on until they probe like butter.

any gamey taste to it?
Thought about smoking it, but there isn't any fat on it like a pork shoulder, just all that sinew & tough skin like stuff that you can peel off.
Here is my deer shoulder pulled pork recipe.


Step one: buy quality apple or cherry wood

Step two: let the wood soak and soak ya dick while you're at it

Step three: smoke chamber should be 225-240*

Step four: place Rubbed deer shoulder on top of a quality cedar plank. The plank should be soaked in a good IPA for that bitter bite

Step five: place plank and deer in smoker and let it smoke for 4 hours while mopping it with 50% vinegar and 50% ipa. Feel free to soak dick again

Step six: wrap shoulder when internal Temps hit 150*

Step seven: smoke until internal Temps are 185-190

Step eight: remove deer shoulder and allow it to rest for 2 hours in a dry cooler wrapped in a towel

Step nine: remove tin foil and pour one cup of ipa on top of deer

Step ten: this one is tricky. Find someone who has big hands. Have them snap it to you while you are approximately 5-10 yards deep and punt that motherfucker with a slight amount of backspin so that that cervid piece of shit will bite about the 2 yard line.

Step 11: go buy a fucking pork shoulder with some damn fat on it.

Step 12: say to yourself "Go Vols" and soak that dick again.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Onslow on November 19, 2015, 14:55:35 PM
For fucks sake grind the fucking shoulder.  Anyone who throws flesh away deserves to be shot in the fucking head and fed to coyotes.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Michael Toris on November 19, 2015, 15:04:46 PM
It's not wasting if you say "Go Vols" imo
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Transylwader on November 19, 2015, 16:13:57 PM
Quote from: wildmttrout on November 19, 2015, 15:04:46 PM
It's not wasting if you say "Go Vols" imo
^ This Fucking Guy ::)
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Onslow on November 19, 2015, 16:14:05 PM
QuoteHave them snap it to you while you are approximately 5-10 yards deep and punt that motherfucker with a slight amount of backspin so that that cervid piece of shit will bite about the 2 yard line.

cervid piece of shit. Dat chit is hilarious.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: bmadd on November 19, 2015, 19:59:08 PM
Quote from: wildmttrout on November 19, 2015, 15:04:46 PM
It's not wasting if you say "Go Vols" imo

Hell yea
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on November 19, 2015, 23:03:01 PM
Deer:  grind up anything besides backstraps 70/30 in hamburger

Eat backstrap like steak.

Give one to China lady at work.

Kill another.

Give one to hermit lady.

Kill another.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 19, 2015, 23:21:56 PM
Steelie & TF, any luck?
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on November 20, 2015, 07:44:15 AM
Quote from: RiverbumCO on November 19, 2015, 23:03:01 PM
Deer:  grind up anything besides backstraps 70/30 in hamburger

Eat backstrap like steak.

Give one to China lady at work.

Kill another.

Give one to hermit lady.

Kill another.

A lot of the hams are pretty much identical to backstrap in taste and texture, especially that tender muscle right in the middle of the ham. Take those hams apart into separate muscle groups and you've got about three or four more pseudo- backstraps. Cut those bitches into steaks, slice them paper-thin for Phillie steaks or gyros, chop 'em up for stir fry, or crockpot roasts. Good stuff in the hams. I usually grind shoulders, neck, brisket, flanks, rib meat, and the trimmings from everything else. A deer carcass looks like the damn buzzards been on it when I get done with it.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 21, 2015, 06:36:00 AM
Glad to see you two were successful. Nicely done.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 21, 2015, 06:45:58 AM

Quote from: steelrain202 on November 21, 2015, 06:42:31 AM
I'll be at your place next. That's cool right?☺

Fine by me. Just give me a heads up. I'm just about to get around and ready for work and I'm hearing the rifle shots in the distance. Deer are being slain.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on November 21, 2015, 06:53:30 AM
I think one of the shots may have woke the little guy up. Dammit. I may have to do some slaying of my own. [emoji848]
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on November 21, 2015, 09:09:15 AM
TF and SR, hell yeah, looks like y'all gettin' it done!
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Al on November 21, 2015, 20:55:02 PM
One thing I would like to report about TF and SR is they are good shots. They had to be to hit such small targets :o

I'll try to get a story with photos out later - beat and trying to relax after putting up with them and 30 others.  Bottom line, we had a safe and productive hunt. From my end, a good time was had by all. Johnny Law came around a few times but neither TF or SR showed up on any wanted posters.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 01, 2015, 22:48:58 PM



Supposedly killed a few miles from my place.


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Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Al on December 02, 2015, 06:48:37 AM
Very nice no matter where he was killed. Perfect ten 'c; 'c; 'c;

I'm trying for one more but not putting as much effort into it as beginning of season.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dougfish on December 02, 2015, 12:52:18 PM
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Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 02, 2015, 13:48:31 PM
That's a nice deer. Tough critters.

I hit one driving a past girlfriend's Ford Taurus several years ago. We were probably traveling at around 55 mph. Initial impact was at the passenger side headlight. Heavy doe. She came off the ground, spiraled perfectly like a skillfully thrown football pass, and didn't land until she was 10-15 ft off the white line on the opposite side of the road, past the ditch.

I returned the next day as we shouldn't have been driving in the first place late that night. She hadn't left. Strangely enough, the car only took on minimal damage, a busted headlight lens, bulb was fine. Imagine that.

They're pests, really. I worry that myself or more importantly, my wife and child will hit one. It's imminent.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: natureboy on December 04, 2015, 11:58:12 AM
Took the boy out for his first hunt last weekend, we made some noise, ate some chocolates, and still managed to hang a tag on a a fat doe.  He's off to a good start. ;D
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 11, 2015, 15:17:24 PM
The one evening I can sneak out for a couple hours and hunt this evening and I go to the gun safe, it won't unlock. Batteries dead in the combination pad I guess.

Fuck me. Guess I'll call customer service. Dammit man.

I've got a 10/22.....maybe I can get up close and personal. It's done the job before.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Al on December 11, 2015, 18:06:24 PM
Quote from: troutfanatic on December 11, 2015, 16:12:02 PM
Jason

I have taken down a deer with a .22 LR before. It can be done. I know a woman who shot five with a .17 HMG last year. Al may or may not comment on this  /'/

A key to urban deering is low impact weapons, like a .22. Add a can of construction foam and PVC pipe and you'll never starve.  y;

You can kill an elephant with a .22 but it would not be my choice for either elephants or deer. You'll probably end up feeding more coyotes then placing venison on your plate.  You want a low impact weapon for urban hunting = buy a crossbow.  They are heavy and clumsy but deadly out to 40 yards.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 11, 2015, 18:25:11 PM
I have killed a deer with a .22LR. I saw a 350-lb bear killed with a .22 LR. I killed an 1100 lb. steer with a .22 once. With that said, I usually carry something a little bit bigger deer hunting. :)
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Al on December 11, 2015, 20:10:33 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on December 11, 2015, 18:25:11 PM
I have killed a deer with a .22LR. I saw a 350-lb bear killed with a .22 LR. I killed an 1100 lb. steer with a .22 once. With that said, I usually carry something a little bit bigger deer hunting. :)

I'm with YH.  IMHO deer hunting with a .17 or even a 22-250 or .223 (5.56) is stunt hunting. Sure they will drop deer if all is right but how many times do you see "all is right" when hunting. Bullets have come a long way in the past few years but again, IMHO even the .243 is on the light side. On the hunts I help manage a .243 is minimum caliber allowed. We used to allow 22-250 and 5.56 but after several deer that you know ended up dying but not recovered, we said minimum .243 -  Don't even talk to me about FMJ (had some el-cheapos show up with that and they couldn't figure out how they being such "crack shots, sniper qualified, etc" that the deer didn't drop on the spot b'; )
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 11, 2015, 21:22:23 PM


I've dropped deer in their tracks with a .22. I always carry something larger for deer, but today I had to improvise. A head shot would've been all I would've attempted. Any deer would've fit the bill.

I spooked several up going in initially, dammit. The outing was damned from the get-go.

More than killing a deer, I wanted just to be in the woods. To think. To reclaim at least some of my sanity lost during the last few days and nights. Mission accomplished, I think.

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Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: driver on December 11, 2015, 21:44:10 PM
The is nothing like being in the woods.. The sights, the smells.. Going in the morning, but i'll be packing a bit more firepower.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 11, 2015, 21:48:52 PM
Good luck. I've got to get my safe open.

This was the most half-assed hunt I've ever thrown together in a mad rush. I love hunting on the ground.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Al on December 11, 2015, 22:12:52 PM
Quote from: wademaster on December 11, 2015, 21:48:52 PM
Good luck. I've got to get my safe open.

This was the most half-assed hunt I've ever thrown together in a mad rush. I love hunting on the ground.

Good luck with opening the safe. Hopefully the manufacturer will be able to help.  Let us know how that turns out.

TF - yes, I do recall that. Kept my eye out this time - think they got the message.
Title: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 11, 2015, 22:18:27 PM
Quote from: Al on December 11, 2015, 22:12:52 PM
Quote from: wademaster on December 11, 2015, 21:48:52 PM
Good luck. I've got to get my safe open.

This was the most half-assed hunt I've ever thrown together in a mad rush. I love hunting on the ground.

Good luck with opening the safe. Hopefully the manufacturer will be able to help.  Let us know how that turns out.

TF - yes, I do recall that. Kept my eye out this time - think they got the message.

I think the housing around the electronic keypad will turn counter-clockwise enabling me to change the 9 volt inside, or at least I hope so. This is the first time I've encountered this issue so I'm in the dark. I've been reading online about it so it must be true.

I tried the Cannon customer service line. All representatives were busy, as usual, and I got tired of waiting.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 11, 2015, 23:03:27 PM


The deuce-deuce works well for these bushy tails though; much more fun than a shottie.

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Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 11, 2015, 23:14:49 PM
Quote from: troutfanatic on December 11, 2015, 23:09:32 PM
i trade streamers for rat tails

I'll remember that.  -0-
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on December 11, 2015, 23:25:43 PM
I think what a lot of people dont consider is that normal trendy factory ammo (leverevolution/fusion/superformance/ballistic silvertips) generally only are gonna work well for something .270 or larger.

When you drop down to light fast bullets, a ballistic tip will blow up on the shoulder and not penetrate.

A harder bullet (not an fmj) is gonna do best with a very fast small projectile. 
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 12, 2015, 07:30:04 AM
Quote from: RiverbumCO on December 11, 2015, 23:25:43 PM
I think what a lot of people dont consider is that normal trendy factory ammo (leverevolution/fusion/superformance/ballistic silvertips) generally only are gonna work well for something .270 or larger.

When you drop down to light fast bullets, a ballistic tip will blow up on the shoulder and not penetrate.

A harder bullet (not an fmj) is gonna do best with a very fast small projectile.

I agree. Even with the bigger calibers, close range shots are not good with ballistic tips. And folks think they need bonded bullets for NC whitetails, when you really don't. Something like Barnes TTSX or Nosler Partitions are great if you're shooting into bone, but if you tend to take heart/lung shots as I often do to save shoulder meat; that bonded projectile will often pencil through with little expansion and a poor blood trail if all you hit is soft tissue. A regular old cheap soft point like a Winchester Power Point or Remmy Core-Lokt is much better in those situations than the expensive bonded bullets.

I shot a buck last year with a .300WM and a 180-grain Barnes TTSX. Double lung, no rib contact. Deer went over a hundred yards with very little blood. The same load from the same gun into shoulder will almost remove a forequarter. I have killed dozens of them with heart/lung shots with traditional muzzleloaders and solid lead balls-much more damage and better blood trail than the .300 mag with a premium bullet.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 12, 2015, 08:09:27 AM
Got my last one I needed for the freezer this year. Nothing special, just a 6 point meat buck, but he'll eat good. I'm liking this "neo-.30-30" more and more all the time. Little AR I built in 7.62x39. With a 16" barrel and 1x4 scope, it's about the perfect 150-yard woods gun. Decent accuracy and good terminal performance on deer and hogs with cheap commie-made Brown Bear 125-grain softpoints.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Michael Toris on December 12, 2015, 10:50:11 AM
Hunting with dildo guns is dumb
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 12, 2015, 11:10:15 AM
Quote from: wildmttrout on December 12, 2015, 10:50:11 AM
Hunting with dildo guns is dumb

If it's any consolation, I do most of my hunting with flintlock rifles and primitive archery gear that I make myself. The "dildo gun" serves a very useful purpose occasionally, though. Also handy if you're attacked by a herd of undead yuppies while hunting.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: driver on December 12, 2015, 14:16:33 PM
Meh. Go with an atlatl
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 12, 2015, 16:07:03 PM
I actually have a few atlatls. Interesting weapon system.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: driver on December 12, 2015, 17:00:27 PM
I'd have actually been interested in taking a deer with an atlatl. Where does on get an atlatl?
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 12, 2015, 17:01:21 PM
I make mine. Not too hard. Cavemen literally did it. ;D
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on December 12, 2015, 21:56:06 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on December 12, 2015, 07:30:04 AM
Quote from: RiverbumCO on December 11, 2015, 23:25:43 PM
I think what a lot of people dont consider is that normal trendy factory ammo (leverevolution/fusion/superformance/ballistic silvertips) generally only are gonna work well for something .270 or larger.

When you drop down to light fast bullets, a ballistic tip will blow up on the shoulder and not penetrate.

A harder bullet (not an fmj) is gonna do best with a very fast small projectile.

I agree. Even with the bigger calibers, close range shots are not good with ballistic tips. And folks think they need bonded bullets for NC whitetails, when you really don't. Something like Barnes TTSX or Nosler Partitions are great if you're shooting into bone, but if you tend to take heart/lung shots as I often do to save shoulder meat; that bonded projectile will often pencil through with little expansion and a poor blood trail if all you hit is soft tissue. A regular old cheap soft point like a Winchester Power Point or Remmy Core-Lokt is much better in those situations than the expensive bonded bullets.

I shot a buck last year with a .300WM and a 180-grain Barnes TTSX. Double lung, no rib contact. Deer went over a hundred yards with very little blood. The same load from the same gun into shoulder will almost remove a forequarter. I have killed dozens of them with heart/lung shots with traditional muzzleloaders and solid lead balls-much more damage and better blood trail than the .300 mag with a premium bullet.

Im a big fan of the Sierra Game King bullets.  Federal loads them in some factory cartridges.  Perfect for deer in my 25-06.  Buck last year was hit in the heart at 130 yds and went two bounds before dead.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: rbphoto on December 12, 2015, 22:22:28 PM
The right shot drops them every time. .30-06 w/ 165 gr Win silvertip to C-3 = DRT (dead right there). 150 gr .35 Rem up the nasal cavity = DRT.

I hate looking for deer in the woods and I hate chasing them.

Now, if I could just get to the woods this season . . .
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 13, 2015, 07:59:16 AM
Normally, I'll shoot behind the shoulder. Double-lunged, they'll run a little ways, but not hard to track them, and it's 100% fatal with no meat damage. If it's raining, I'm near a property line, almost dark, or any other time I want to drop it in its tracks, I'll aim for high shoulder.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on December 13, 2015, 09:05:15 AM
Stay away from 7600's. Run dont wok.

I do heart if i got a good rest and high shoulder in the overgrown broomstraw fields i frequent.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Al on December 13, 2015, 10:13:01 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on December 13, 2015, 07:59:16 AM
Normally, I'll shoot behind the shoulder. Double-lunged, they'll run a little ways, but not hard to track them, and it's 100% fatal with no meat damage. If it's raining, I'm near a property line, almost dark, or any other time I want to drop it in its tracks, I'll aim for high shoulder.

Ditto what YH said.  Behind shoulder in morning where conditions are right to look for them - saves meat.  Take some of the shoulder in the evening or when you need to drop them in their tracks.

For TF - good luck with finding a pet load for the Rem 7600. Doubt you will find one better then others due to stiff trigger - I had the original Rem 760. Good gun and I killed a lot of deer with it but trigger was so stiff I'd actually pull off target on long range shots. (pumps and autos are notorious for poor triggers).  I didn't really know what a good trigger was until I bought a Browning A-bolt  (30-06 with BOSS which makes it recoil like a .243  ;D )

I reload - come by and I will show you what little I know about reloading and working up a load. My deer load is 150gr PSP Rem Core-lokt,  56.5gr IMR 4350 powder, Win or Fed primer. Drives like a tack from my rifle, relatively inexpensive load and gets the job done. Each rifle is a little different so you need to do some range time before you load up a 100 rounds using a particular formula. 

Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 13, 2015, 15:29:05 PM


New battery did the trick on my safe.

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Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 13, 2015, 16:16:58 PM
I'm going to bust something's ass. I don't give a fuck what sex, color, or species.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on December 13, 2015, 17:24:39 PM
Aint that the field right over the train tracks behind the canoe place?
Title: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 13, 2015, 18:00:08 PM
I didn't shoot shit.

Bum, nah. Same river. Several miles from that place though. This is probably 2-3 miles off the main road.
Title: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 13, 2015, 18:01:17 PM
Definitely some yardage here to contend with if you wanted to stretch it out.

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I can't wait to groundhog and coyote hunt this bitch. Not sure why I haven't spent more time hunting down there. Smallmouth fishing is pretty good. I'm going to spend as much time with the kayak down there this next year when it warms up, lower water permitting.

I may even trap some for coyotes there.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: flatlander on December 13, 2015, 18:03:24 PM
Quote from: RiverbumCO on December 13, 2015, 17:24:39 PM
Aint that the field right over the train tracks behind the canoe place?

I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 13, 2015, 18:33:22 PM
I haven't got any corn out at all. I just hunted trails coming into the field. This late in the year, most are coming in after dark or right at it, as I'm sure you know, especially when there's no corn their waiting.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 13, 2015, 19:05:10 PM
Just got done butchering, slicing, steaking, grinding, and vacuum sealing last weekend's deer and piling it on top of the others. Freezer lookin' good at the moment. Fixin' to cook up some fried tenderloins, fried taters with bacon and onions, and homemade biscuits for supper.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 14, 2015, 08:13:14 AM
Looks good! Think I'm gonna try making some venison pastrami.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: RiverbumCO on December 14, 2015, 09:44:49 AM
I tried to cure a deer ham once.

It was horrible.  I dont even like thinking about it.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: natureboy on December 14, 2015, 16:40:04 PM
Good stuff steelrain, what recipe you use?  I smoked some summer sausage last year using AC Legg seasoning and high temp cheddar, turned out great, think I used cherry in the smoker.  Will make another run in a month or two.

Here is some venison pastrami inspiration for you hammer, smoked about 7lbs of it this weekend.
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Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 14, 2015, 19:42:23 PM
Quote from: natureboy on December 14, 2015, 16:40:04 PM
Good stuff steelrain, what recipe you use?  I smoked some summer sausage last year using AC Legg seasoning and high temp cheddar, turned out great, think I used cherry in the smoker.  Will make another run in a month or two.

Here is some venison pastrami inspiration for you hammer, smoked about 7lbs of it this weekend.
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That looks great!

I've made it from beef brisket, but pastrami is one of the few things I haven't tried making from deer meat. Legg's #10 seasoning kicks ass for making breakfast sausage, it doesn't get any better.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 16, 2015, 11:05:56 AM
Deer Philly steaks. Delicious.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: natureboy on December 16, 2015, 17:47:59 PM
Quote from: troutfanatic on December 14, 2015, 18:27:53 PM

that looks damn good, care to share your method?


I'm about to make Italian sausage later this week.

I think I've got your email, I'll dig it up and send the recipe.  Basically brine it 3 days, heavy dry rub, then smoke to 150.
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Al on February 19, 2016, 13:18:52 PM
For what it's worth (probably not much) - I made it into the VDGIF newsletter

http://blog.wildlife.virginia.gov/outdoor-report/ (http://blog.wildlife.virginia.gov/outdoor-report/)
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Dougfish on February 19, 2016, 16:49:51 PM
My man.  bd;0
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: tomato can on February 20, 2016, 07:32:25 AM
Al, nice article.  Skippers? I haven't heard that since I left NH!  What is next gonna go horned pout fishing? Or goona go shoots some Patridge!   (Though I miss the bird hunting the most, well that and nothing is posted, nothing!)
Title: Re: Deers 2015
Post by: Al on February 21, 2016, 20:08:29 PM
Quote from: tomato can on February 20, 2016, 07:32:25 AM
Al, nice article.  Skippers? I haven't heard that since I left NH!  What is next gonna go horned pout fishing? Or goona go shoots some Patridge!   (Though I miss the bird hunting the most, well that and nothing is posted, nothing!)

You nailed it  'c; 'c; 'c;  I was born in Maine, raised in New Hampshire. I go back and they think I speak with a southern drawl  :o