http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/is-this-the-most-embarrassing-interview-fox-news-has-ever-do (http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/is-this-the-most-embarrassing-interview-fox-news-has-ever-do)
Yikes.
"Have you even read my book?"
:laugh:
That is an awful interview. Feel bad for the guy having to repeat himself over and over. Unforunately this is how most Christians go about discussions on these kinds of topics. Attacking the person as opposed to bringing up points that counter the persons position. An example would be disagreeing with his point that Jesus was a rebel leader and was a threat to the Roman government. The reason why He was crucified is because He was a threat to the Jews, and the Jews wanted Him crucified. The Romans not wanting a rebellion from the Jews (not Jesus) did it to appease them. Hence why Ceasar washed his hands and made a point that he didn't want to crucify this man. Ultimately though, it didn't matter if the Jews were going to revolt or not, if a person believes the Bible. Jesus had to be crucified at some point in order for the prophecy to come true. So arguing that because He was killed by the Romans by being crucified makes Him a rebelious leader is a silly arguement at best. That would of been a better point to bring up then "your a muslim so you aren't qualified to write on Jesus". Haha
Uncomfortable, excruciating!!!
I'd give my left testicle for John's positivity to be true, but my cynicism is beating the hell out of my optimism at the present. I need a reboot!
"The highly religious ages were ages of blood and persecution. Man's tenderness for man has vastly increased. The sense of the sacredness of human life has increased as his faith in his gods has declined. He has grown more human as he has grown less superstitious. Science has atrophied his faith, but it has softened his heart. His fear of Nature has given place to love. Man never loved as he does now. He has withdrawn his gaze from heaven and fixed it upon the earth. As his interest in other worlds has diminished, his interest in this has increased. As the angels have departed, the children have come in."
(John Burroughs, "The Worm Striving To Be Man")
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on July 29, 2013, 08:10:39 AM
Uncomfortable, excruciating!!!
I'd give my left testicle for John's positivity to be true, but my cynicism is beating the hell out of my optimism at the present. I need a reboot!
"The highly religious ages were ages of blood and persecution. Man's tenderness for man has vastly increased. The sense of the sacredness of human life has increased as his faith in his gods has declined. He has grown more human as he has grown less superstitious. Science has atrophied his faith, but it has softened his heart. His fear of Nature has given place to love. Man never loved as he does now. He has withdrawn his gaze from heaven and fixed it upon the earth. As his interest in other worlds has diminished, his interest in this has increased. As the angels have departed, the children have come in."
(John Burroughs, "The Worm Striving To Be Man")
"Religion is flawed, because man is flawed."
There are true monsters in the science field, just like there are truly vile people in the religious field. Jack Kevorkian, Scientologist, and Tuskegee Study Scientists to name a few groups/people.
Another bonus qoute, "Don't believe everything you hear, and only half of what you see."
Quote from: Big J on July 29, 2013, 08:40:58 AM
Another bonus qoute, "Don't believe everything you hear, and only half of what you see."
So, I assume you should only believe ½ of what you read?
I suppose I should trust 2 of the 4 articles; that's enough for me.
So I've reformatted the hard drive (better than rebooting), and will not be installing the religious software for Windows.
Good news is most excellent! And 1 of the 4 is just for you Big J.
http://www.positivenewsus.org/the-world-is-more-peaceful.html (http://www.positivenewsus.org/the-world-is-more-peaceful.html)
http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/recreation/celebrities/simpsons-co-creator-gives-away-fortune.html (http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/recreation/celebrities/simpsons-co-creator-gives-away-fortune.html)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23382526 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23382526)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/guideposts/blessed-by-bull-dogs-lovi_b_3498817.html?utm_hp_ref=good-news&ir=Good%20News (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/guideposts/blessed-by-bull-dogs-lovi_b_3498817.html?utm_hp_ref=good-news&ir=Good%20News)
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on July 29, 2013, 10:06:28 AM
And 1 of the 4 is just for you Big J.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/guideposts/blessed-by-bull-dogs-lovi_b_3498817.html?utm_hp_ref=good-news&ir=Good%20News (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/guideposts/blessed-by-bull-dogs-lovi_b_3498817.html?utm_hp_ref=good-news&ir=Good%20News)
Good article Mudwall 'c;
Quote from: Big J on July 29, 2013, 11:27:56 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on July 29, 2013, 10:06:28 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/guideposts/blessed-by-bull-dogs-lovi_b_3498817.html?utm_hp_ref=good-news&ir=Good%20News (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/guideposts/blessed-by-bull-dogs-lovi_b_3498817.html?utm_hp_ref=good-news&ir=Good%20News)
Good article Mudwall 'c;
Agreed!!
We have a dog, Buddy, that I saw on the side of the road eating a very rotten deer carcas. I pulled over, ran across the highway and said, "hey buddy, do you want to come home with me?" Just then, he jumped into my arms like he knew that his life just got better. When I found him, he was literally skin and bones weighing 25lbs. He weighs a healthy 55 lbs now and pays us back every day for rescuing him from the side of the highway.
He loves the other three dogs and cat and protects my wife every where she goes. He knew no love until that day but in an instant became so full of love that he shows it all day while he is awake!!
Dogs are amazing creatures. Humans are fucking idiots (not all of them, but you get the idea).
Quote from: wind_knot on July 29, 2013, 14:22:03 PM
Quote from: Big J on July 29, 2013, 11:27:56 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on July 29, 2013, 10:06:28 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/guideposts/blessed-by-bull-dogs-lovi_b_3498817.html?utm_hp_ref=good-news&ir=Good%20News (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/guideposts/blessed-by-bull-dogs-lovi_b_3498817.html?utm_hp_ref=good-news&ir=Good%20News)
Good article Mudwall 'c;
Agreed!!
We have a dog, Buddy, that I saw on the side of the road eating a very rotten deer carcas. I pulled over, ran across the highway and said, "hey buddy, do you want to come home with me?" Just then, he jumped into my arms like he knew that his life just got better. When I found him, he was literally skin and bones weighing 25lbs. He weighs a healthy 55 lbs now and pays us back every day for rescuing him from the side of the highway.
He loves the other three dogs and cat and protects my wife every where she goes. He knew no love until that day but in an instant became so full of love that he shows it all day while he is awake!!
Dogs are amazing creatures. Humans are fucking idiots (not all of them, but you get the idea).
http://youtu.be/btuxO-C2IzE (http://youtu.be/btuxO-C2IzE)
Quote from: RiverbumCO on July 29, 2013, 14:34:39 PM
http://youtu.be/btuxO-C2IzE (http://youtu.be/btuxO-C2IzE)
Those first few steps he made towards them in the wild I would have been man I REALLY hope he remembers us!!! Awesome story!! Thank you!!
" I've been obshesshed with Jeeshish for twenty four yearsssh. 'c;
Sounds like Shelly Marsh. Fuck him... p;-
Stupid Turds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2gZS4juOHM#noexternalembed)
:P
Sad it was a hack like her that interviewed him. Should we cut her head off, or stone her to death like the peacful Muslims do? I'm sure he had some very interesting things to say. :P I wonder if the right wing christians will put out a fatwa on him like the Muslims did when Salman Rushdie wrote a book critical of Islam? Read the book, I don't need to. I know everything I need to know about Muslims. They want us to either convert to Islam or die. bd;0 What else do they need to do to us to convince us that their intentions are to maim and kill as many of us as they can? When I think of the price we have paid from terrorist and practitioners of that religion I wanna puke. Christens and Muslims have been at war for thousands of years, what's gonna change? Fuck a bunch of rag heads. Turn the channel to MSNBC if you don't wanna watch FOX
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on July 29, 2013, 21:01:50 PM
I know everything I need to know about Muslims. They want us to either convert to Islam or die. .......... Christens and Muslims have been at war for thousands of years, what's gonna change?
When you meet the next Muslim, tell them you are Pantheist, just like the great American, Abraham Lincoln. He/she will then let you safely pass.
And if you "know everything" you need to know, then you are in the minority.
http://www.annarbor.com/faith/how-much-do-americans-really-know-about-religion-test-your-knowlege/ (http://www.annarbor.com/faith/how-much-do-americans-really-know-about-religion-test-your-knowlege/)
He should have stood up and walked out on her!
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follow-up analysis:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/07/29/reza_aslan_book_sales_zealot_author_knew_what_he_was_doing_on_fox_news_that.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/07/29/reza_aslan_book_sales_zealot_author_knew_what_he_was_doing_on_fox_news_that.html)
I can't watch the video because I'm at work but I do have something to throw in here. Forums are definitely not the place to debate Christianity but I want to share a story with you...
I serve with a not-for-profit missions group called Remember (www.rememberthose.org (http://www.rememberthose.org)). Our aim is to minister to the Persecuted Church- often times, the widows and orphans of those who have been martyred or imprisoned for their faith. A few weeks ago, I was in Iraq with a team providing much needed medical care to people who have been forced to leave their homes in Syria and seek refuge in Iraq. It should tell you how bad it is that they are having to seek refuge in a place like Iraq. Anyhow, one of the days I was there, my translator said, "Hey, do you see that guy over there? He used to be with the Mujahideen but is now a believer, loves the Lord, and is serving with the Church.". A few days after I got home, someone was telling me that this region has always been bad, is bad now, and will continue to be bad. Why do you waste your time? This guy had given up on this region. I told him a more detailed story about the guy I saw who was with the Mujahideen but is now a believer and is on fire for the Lord. I said someone had to tell that guy about what Jesus Christ did for him on that cross. That's why you can't give up on these guys! This guy was like Saul- one of the worst persecutors in the world, but his life has been changed by God and he now has a passion to serve the very people he was persecuting.
Again, this certainly isn't the place to debate Christianity- but I thought it might be a good place / time to share about what I saw that day.
Sounds like the kind of guy who will believe anything someone tells him. Insurance salesmen drool for those types.
I keed, I keed. :laugh:
Keep up the good work, Clemson.
I couldn't watch the whole thing. Both came across as babbling morons. I'da walked out if I was there in person.
b';
Kept thinking of this line when that guy said, "I am a PhD!"
I AM AN F.B.I. Agent! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RzmjzP2GoM#noexternalembed-ws)
Quote from: Jfey on July 30, 2013, 20:41:11 PM
Kept thinking of this line when that guy said, "I am a PhD!"
I AM AN F.B.I. Agent! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RzmjzP2GoM#noexternalembed-ws)
Edit, can't embed the link, but you all know the line. Point Break in case you forgot.
Yawn.....I got 72% on the quiz, bitches.
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on July 29, 2013, 08:10:39 AM
Uncomfortable, excruciating!!!
I'd give my left testicle for John's positivity to be true, but my cynicism is beating the hell out of my optimism at the present. I need a reboot!
"The highly religious ages were ages of blood and persecution. Man's tenderness for man has vastly increased. The sense of the sacredness of human life has increased as his faith in his gods has declined. He has grown more human as he has grown less superstitious. Science has atrophied his faith, but it has softened his heart. His fear of Nature has given place to love. Man never loved as he does now. He has withdrawn his gaze from heaven and fixed it upon the earth. As his interest in other worlds has diminished, his interest in this has increased. As the angels have departed, the children have come in."
(John Burroughs, "The Worm Striving To Be Man")
Stephen- Surely are not speaking of modern man..
How do you describe Jesus and Faith.. Well Tygerfan just put legs to his faith. He actually is alowing this Jesus , who is so ridiculed, to live thru him. You think he does that for personal gain.. naw. That would be an example of true love for mankind.
Here is what I know: My chest was hurting so bad that it knocked me to my knees, literally. It hurt that way for 2 hours at the shop.
I sat up on the side of the bed and prayed " Lord , please let me go home to live or die. I don't want to die here, away from my family.
Witihn 5 minutes my chest quit hurting. I drove 3 hours home. I slept that night. Around 4:00 the next day, on Sunday, my chest floored me again. I mean it hurt. Carol, my wife, drove me to the hospital, and from there was flown to Charlotte. I had a massive heart attack.
I KNOW God answered a simple prayer.. He let me come home. That my friends is a fact.
I know I will be criticized for this. But I know, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit let me come home. For that I am grateful.
I don't think anybody here is going to criticize you for any of that. I'm glad your prayer was answered.
I'm not going to criticize anyone one way or the other for their religious belief in God, or lack there of. I do admit to some problems with the dogma being advanced by certain religions that are against my personal beliefs, like Muslims. I believe in God and Jesus Christ now, but that hasn't always been the case. Even though it may not be the kool thing now days, or the progressive hip thang. I don't care, just don't label me as some rube just because I do though.
Oh I almost forgot ;) As bad as that interview was, and it was a hack job. Fox must be doing something right. Their viewership in prime time is almost as high as the other top 3 networks combined 'c; Somebody is watching :-\
Right on Rod Champion! Thank you for sharing. That's awesome that you were able to go home to be with your family during that tough time. It's even more awesome that you built an 'alter' in your head to always remind yourself how God answered your prayer that time. Stand firm Brother! Thank you for sharing! 'c;
Good for you, Rod. I also agree with you, Steve. Don't call me a rube or a right wing nut job because I believe in God.
Quote from: 5xTippett on August 02, 2013, 09:28:57 AM
Good for you, Rod. I also agree with you, Steve. Don't call me a rube or a right wing nut job because I believe in God.
Who is doing this? I don't understand the defensive stance. I've heard it my whole life, yet I've only met a couple true athiests....ever....in 35 years....and I've met a lot of people who wouldn't be considered 'religious' per se. Did you know: 92% of Americans believe in god. 78% are Christians. Who are these people who are giving you a hard time? I haven't met them.
Good stuff Rod, thanks for sharing your story.
Where is all the rube and right wing stuff coming from in regards to believing in God? I think those labels are used for other things, but not belief in God? I've not heard that coming from anywhere before.
Edit, I see Bullship beat me to the thought....
I am seeing it more and more. I could make a list of names, but that wouldn't tell the whole story. I see it more as a general trend. Check out this article from the Huffing Post, a fairly liberal organization I'd say. They appear to have a little different take on the 90% plus figure. Right wing Christians are openly portrayed in a negative light in liberal circles.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/religion-america-decline-low-no-affiliation-report_n_2867626.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/religion-america-decline-low-no-affiliation-report_n_2867626.html)
"But perhaps the most telling numbers pertained to the breakdown of the respondents' politics: 40 percent of liberals claim they have no religion, compared to just 9 percent of conservatives". Huffington Post
Look at the slide show at the end of the article. See any correlation between most religious states verses least religious states?
Ok? So, you're scared of liberals? Or you think they think that you're crazy because of what you believe? Why do you give any fucks about that? Secularists don't exactly have a history of extremism. Just sayin. I don't think your actually afraid of Prius(or subaru) driving, sandal wearing, gluten free douchebags. But, maybe you're a pussy.
Steve, that may be how the chips fall but I don't think you can make any assumptions based on that. Americans are good at grouping individuals for better or worse. If the majority of Christians vote red, then that is how the chips fall. Usually also as you are aware, the most vocal "wings" of a group define the group as a whole.
Nothing worth getting all antsy about though. There are bad apples in every bunch.
Quote from: bullship on August 02, 2013, 11:49:39 AM
Ok? So, you're scared of liberals? Or you think they think that you're crazy because of what you believe? Why do you give any fucks about that? Secularists don't exactly have a history of extremism. Just sayin. I don't think your actually afraid of Prius(or subaru) driving, sandal wearing, gluten free douchebags. But, maybe you're a pussy.
Believe me Bullshit, I'm not scared of much, and liberals ain't on the list. Questioning me about being a pussy is a little offensive, but I'll let that slide. Because I realize you don't know me.
Quote from: benben on August 02, 2013, 11:52:11 AM
Steve, that may be how the chips fall but I don't think you can make any assumptions based on that. Americans are good at grouping individuals for better or worse. If the majority of Christians vote red, then that is how the chips fall. Usually also as you are aware, the most vocal "wings" of a group define the group as a whole.
Nothing worth getting all antsy about though. There are bad apples in every bunch.
Ben I totally agree :D A question had been ask and I was just adding my 2 cents worth. Certainly nothing personal against anyone here. I'm far from some religious right wing kook anyway. I completely agree that there are extremes on both ends of the spectrum.
Nothing personal. I'm still just trying to increase my poss poor smite count. I'm just in a button pushing mood today. I don't think you're a pussy. I just think the argument is silly and unfounded, which is why I would say you're a pussy if you feel like some anonymous liberals potentially threatened your most closely held beliefs. But I'm not saying you're a pussy.
Quote from: bullship on August 02, 2013, 11:49:39 AM
Ok? So, you're scared of liberals? Or you think they think that you're crazy because of what you believe? Why do you give any fucks about that? Secularists don't exactly have a history of extremism. Just sayin. I don't think your actually afraid of Prius(or subaru) driving, sandal wearing, gluten free douchebags. But, maybe you're a pussy.
Quote from: bullship on August 02, 2013, 12:03:59 PM
Nothing personal. I'm still just trying to increase my poss poor smite count. I'm just in a button pushing mood today. I don't think you're a pussy. I just think the argument is silly and unfounded, which is why I would say you're a pussy if you feel like some anonymous liberals potentially threatened your most closely held beliefs. But I'm not saying you're a pussy.
Hittin the booze early this afternoon?
I didn't write the fucking article ;D
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 02, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
"But perhaps the most telling numbers pertained to the breakdown of the respondents' politics: 40 percent of liberals claim they have no religion, compared to just 9 percent of conservatives". Huffington Post
Look at the slide show at the end of the article. See any correlation between most religious states verses least religious states?
What troubles me most is when religious views justify politics. Freedom does not exist in that environment and the two should not be mixed.
Quote from: The Dude on August 02, 2013, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 02, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
"But perhaps the most telling numbers pertained to the breakdown of the respondents' politics: 40 percent of liberals claim they have no religion, compared to just 9 percent of conservatives". Huffington Post
Look at the slide show at the end of the article. See any correlation between most religious states verses least religious states?
What troubles me most is when religious views justify politics. Freedom does not exist in that environment and the two should not be mixed.
Unfortanately for you, one who has a religious worldview usually has to carry it over to all parts of one's life or else he would be considered a hypocrite.
Also here is an interesting article for you to read.
http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-wall-of-separation-between-church-and-state#axzz2apheaQZs (http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-wall-of-separation-between-church-and-state#axzz2apheaQZs)
No.
Quote from: The Dude on August 02, 2013, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 02, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
"But perhaps the most telling numbers pertained to the breakdown of the respondents' politics: 40 percent of liberals claim they have no religion, compared to just 9 percent of conservatives". Huffington Post
Look at the slide show at the end of the article. See any correlation between most religious states verses least religious states?
What troubles me most is when religious views justify politics. Freedom does not exist in that environment and the two should not be mixed.
Agreed, and as Ben has already pointed out it is all too often the outspoken extreme minority that are setting the agenda.
Quote from: Big J on August 02, 2013, 12:19:06 PM
Unfortanately for you, one who has a religious worldview usually has to carry it over to all parts of one's life or else he would be considered a hypocrite.
Not that there are hypocrites in religion.............but yes, it IS unfortunate for me, and all Americans that the extremely religious feel that their own personal beliefs are somehow more important and just than another person's personal beliefs. I have no problems with creating a functioning and peaceful society through governance and order based on morality and tolerance. However, my guard is up when voters try to force their religious views and indoctrinate others through conformance-based legislation. Americans have to be diligent and disciplined to remain true to the principles of the individual rights to the pursuit of happiness - even if that means there are instances that go against one's religious beliefs.
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 02, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
"...... 40 percent of liberals claim they have no religion, compared to just 9 percent of conservatives". Huffington Post
Does having no religion, like the 40% of the liberals, mean that one does not believe in some sort of deity? I have no idea.
Personally, I think it is extremely uncool to chastise someone's belief when it comes to religious matters; I do however feel it is most healthy to question everything around you. The affronts flow from both political sides and from all directions, I think. Part of the problem is ignorance and hypocrisy, again on, and coming from, both sides. I know so-called sophisticated, super-educated, and finely-cultured liberals that have no clue as to good-old, down-home Appalachian religious beliefs, and its virtues. I am also familiar with good-old, down-home, right-leaning, mammoth-religious zealots that know no other practice but their own, nor do they seek any familiarity with that which may be different.
If we keep legislation and spiritual beliefs disconnected, then maybe none of this matters. Instead of uniting the two into one unwinnable pissing match, we can have two separate bouts – a lot more fun I would think – AND likely we would accomplish more. What do you think amigos?
I still aspire to Lincoln's religion. "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." Either that, or I want to be re-embodied as an Ephemerellidae.
PS – I am a pussy when it comes to snakes, high places, and caves. Have a good weekend, you peckerwoods!
Quote from: The Dude on August 02, 2013, 12:37:01 PM
Not that there are hypocrites in religion.............but yes, it IS unfortunate for me, and all Americans that the extremely religious feel that their own personal beliefs are somehow more important and just than another person's personal beliefs. I have no problems with creating a functioning and peaceful society through governance and order based on morality and tolerance. However, my guard is up when voters try to force their religious views and indoctrinate others through conformance-based legislation. Americans have to be diligent and disciplined to remain true to the principles of the individual rights to the pursuit of happiness - even if that means there are instances that go against one's religious beliefs.
Forcing and voting for what you believe in are two different things. And if you ask me, American policies today by far lean towards more liberal thinking than consverative religious thinking if you ask me.
Quote from: The Dude on August 02, 2013, 12:37:01 PM
Quote from: Big J on August 02, 2013, 12:19:06 PM
Unfortanately for you, one who has a religious worldview usually has to carry it over to all parts of one's life or else he would be considered a hypocrite.
Not that there are hypocrites in religion.............but yes, it IS unfortunate for me, and all Americans that the extremely religious feel that their own personal beliefs are somehow more important and just than another person's personal beliefs. I have no problems with creating a functioning and peaceful society through governance and order based on morality and tolerance. However, my guard is up when voters try to force their religious views and indoctrinate others through conformance-based legislation. Americans have to be diligent and disciplined to remain true to the principles of the individual rights to the pursuit of happiness - even if that means there are instances that go against one's religious beliefs.
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I don't understand how people can talk about liberties in one breath then in the other try to enact religiously motivated laws on all of society....explain that.
That to me is hypocritical.
I looked at the slideshow. It seems there is a correlation between colder temperatures (and/or partying) and the deficiency of organized religion. Someone do the math. And I just realized that it is the word "organized" that throws me for a loop.
And there you go Big J., combining the two – "conservative religious" thinking. I believe it is a confrontation that can't be won.
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on August 02, 2013, 12:55:59 PM
And there you go Big J., combining the two – "conservative religious" thinking. I believe it is a confrontation that can't be won.
Just was a lot of complaining about religious laws and was just pointing out I see more liberal unreligious laws than I do conservative religious laws. Conservative does not have to imply a political party.
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on August 02, 2013, 12:38:50 PMPS – I am a pussy when it comes to snakes, high places, and caves. Have a good weekend, you peckerwoods!
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The most ironic aspect of Freedom is that it requires sacrifice to protect.
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 01, 2013, 21:02:31 PM
Oh I almost forgot ;) As bad as that interview was, and it was a hack job. Fox must be doing something right. Their viewership in prime time is almost as high as the other top 3 networks combined 'c; Somebody is watching :-\
Duck Dynasty is also at the top of the viewership game. Programming for both is a mixture of reality and entertainment. Both exist to make money by selling advertising.
In any event, this topic has been fun, but it has run its course for me.
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(It actually hasn't, but I just wanted a reason to post that photo).
I have fallen out of religion for personal reasons (which will remain unmentioned) but I would never (and wish more people would never) condemn someone for FEELING something with all of their heart. Did Rod's God save him so that he could be better prepared for the impending doom? If you ask me, it was luck, coincidence or just simply ONE OF THOSE "THINGS." But to Rod, God was loving enough to make sure one of His followers was taken care of in his darkest hour and remained to share his experience. For that, I truly appreciate Rod and his conviction. I am amazed by his experience and will be the first to stand up for Rod and his faith, regardless of the fact we do not share the same convictions. That and Rod has a sweet shop!!
And his Dudeness, based on this quote,
Quote from: The Dude on August 02, 2013, 12:37:01 PM
Not that there are hypocrites in religion.............but yes, it IS unfortunate for me, and all Americans that the extremely religious feel that their own personal beliefs are somehow more important and just than another person's personal beliefs. I have no problems with creating a functioning and peaceful society through governance and order based on morality and tolerance. However, my guard is up when voters try to force their religious views and indoctrinate others through conformance-based legislation. Americans have to be diligent and disciplined to remain true to the principles of the individual rights to the pursuit of happiness - even if that means there are instances that go against one's religious beliefs.
I have a deep appreciation for you as I feel the exact same. Morality and tolerance does not mean religion per se even though religion is built on those two factors. You CAN have good people without them being religious just as you can have "religious" people who are morally corrupt.
I think this has been an awesome thread discussion.
Quote from: The Dude on August 02, 2013, 15:08:21 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 01, 2013, 21:02:31 PM
Oh I almost forgot ;) As bad as that interview was, and it was a hack job. Fox must be doing something right. Their viewership in prime time is almost as high as the other top 3 networks combined 'c; Somebody is watching :-\
Duck Dynasty is also at the top of the viewership game. Programming for both is a mixture of reality and entertainment. Both exist to make money by selling advertising.
In any event, this topic has been fun, but it has run its course for me.
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YOU STARTED IT! ;D Time for you to head out to Hooters anyway ;D
(It actually hasn't, but I just wanted a reason to post that photo).
YOU STARTED IT! ;D Time for you to head out to Hooters anyway ;D
Quote from: Clemsontygerfan on July 30, 2013, 08:08:01 AM
He used to be with the Mujahideen but is now a believer, loves the Lord, and is serving with the Church.". A few days after I got home, someone was telling me that this region has always been bad, is bad now, and will continue to be bad. Why do you waste your time? This guy had given up on this region. I told him a more detailed story about the guy I saw who was with the Mujahideen but is now a believer and is on fire for the Lord. I said someone had to tell that guy about what Jesus Christ did for him on that cross. That's why you can't give up on these guys! This guy was like Saul- one of the worst persecutors in the world, but his life has been changed by God and he now has a passion to serve the very people he was persecuting.
Again, this certainly isn't the place to debate Christianity- but I thought it might be a good place / time to share about what I saw that day.
There is a rich lesson in your story, but I'm a bit confused. Which of the two persecutors in your story elicited your admiration?
Was it the one that believed in a faith based ideology of Mesopotamian origin who could not accept another set of beliefs?
Or the one who believed in a dogma which has origins in the geographical area between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers and lacked the ability to allow others to choose freely the religion (or lack thereof) as they wanted?
Final question, when you told the one about the other did it feel like you were telling him something about himself?
My admiration was for neither. It was for a Father in heaven who is willing to forgive even the worse of persecutors through the blood of His own Son- who He had to crush on that cross. If He is willing to forgive those guys, His forgiveness can reach even the worse of sinners- and even me and you!! No one comes to the Father except through Him. You can debate all day long but what it boils down to is Jesus asking YOU- "Who do you say I am?". I challenge you to consider that question and how you would answer it.
-Rhett
Quote from: Clemsontygerfan on August 03, 2013, 20:50:15 PM
My admiration was for neither. It was for a Father in heaven who is willing to forgive even the worse of persecutors through the blood of His own Son- who He had to crush on that cross. If He is willing to forgive those guys, His forgiveness can reach even the worse of sinners- and even me and you!! No one comes to the Father except through Him. You can debate all day long but what it boils down to is Jesus asking YOU- "Who do you say I am?". I challenge you to consider that question and how you would answer it.
-Rhett
You had my admiration until you started preaching and "challenging" people to see things in the same way you feel is the only way. And to answer your question challenge, he is nothing to me.
It's not just me saying it's the only way, it's God's word saying He is the only way. John 14:6 says "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.". All be it- you have to believe and trust God's word to believe this but that very simply eliminates any other path / route except through Him. I'd love to get out on the water and discuss this further. I just don't think a forum is the best approach for this conversation.
Last and final question.
When you told the one about the other did you feel like you were talking about yourself?
Absolutely!!! I'll be the first to tell you that I am a wretched and sinful man. That's one of the reasons why I'm SO thankful to have a Savior. I seriously would like to get out on the water and talk about this kind of stuff. I'm in Charleston so let me know if you're in the area.
Clemsontygerfan,
Moving my oldest to Goose Creek this weekend. Plan to visit quite a bit over the next 4 years.
I have an 8 wt and a 10 wt that need to get on some salt.
Would love to have some good conversation on the water either in the Lowcountry or anytime you get this direction.
B.A. in Religion from FU and still managed, by the grace of God, to come out of there with an understanding of grace and mercy :laugh:
Raymond
That's awesome Raymond! We'll definitely need to link up. My boat is on the water right now and waiting to burn some fuel. Is your oldest going to CSU?
CofC - starting off in Marine Biology.
Looking to live closer to town that Goose Creek, but he's only paying utilities, maintaining the yard, and a few small renovation projects on the house so it's hard to beat.
I'll PM you my contact info and look forward to meeting up sometime.
Raymond
Politics and religion.
Quote from: sanjuanwormhatch on August 08, 2013, 10:56:36 AM
Politics and religion.
Since we have discussed Twain here amongst the scoundrels, these nuggets are fun. I mean no annoyance to anyone. I just hope we can avoid all kakistocracy.
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's." –Mark Twain
"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?" –Mark Twain
"If Christ were here there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian." –Mark Twain
"Go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company." –Mark Twain
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on August 08, 2013, 12:30:57 PM
Quote from: sanjuanwormhatch on August 08, 2013, 10:56:36 AM
Politics and religion.
Since we have discussed Twain here amongst the scoundrels, these nuggets are fun. I mean no annoyance to anyone. I just hope we can avoid all kakistocracy.
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's." –Mark Twain
"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?" –Mark Twain
"If Christ were here there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian." –Mark Twain
"Go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company." –Mark Twain
I don't see anything fun or hopeful about those little nuggets. Smite as you wish but the truth is- it doesn't matter who Mark Twain says Jesus is......it matters who you say He is.
Can we please go ahead and vote on a separation of church and the low rent district???
Quote from: OldDominionAngler on August 08, 2013, 13:17:39 PM
Can we please go ahead and vote on a separation of church and the low rent district???
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Hey, but Joel says don't fight it.
Joel Osteen Dont Fight It (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra2QVaGaLbw#ws)
Quote from: OldDominionAngler on August 08, 2013, 13:17:39 PM
Can we please go ahead and vote on a separation of church and the low rent district???
Amen brother!
Quote from: Clemsontygerfan on August 08, 2013, 12:55:02 PM
I don't see anything fun or hopeful about those little nuggets. Smite as you wish but the truth is- it doesn't matter who Mark Twain says Jesus is......it matters who you say He is.
I didn't say they were hopeful. I meant it is fun to discern what others think, or have contemplated, about religion and politics.
You are correct; Twain's view is no more significant than yours or mine. I am sure wherever Twain now resides, he is safe and sound and happy. I am certain the Mormons have saved his wretched soul through the baptism for the dead.
Have we voted yet? Is politics still fair game?
I am still reeling at the fact that his holiness has turned his back on the Nepalese woojey woojey god, for western Christianity.
His followers must still be stunned. Many sacred cows will be milked tonight.
I will place a prayer flag at the summit of mount granny in honor of his poor soul.
Quote from: OldDominionAngler on August 08, 2013, 13:17:39 PM
Can we please go ahead and vote on a separation of church and the low rent district???
X3.