Climate Change --- Not a good time to be a polar bear!

[lepomis_mcro]

 

[calebB]

Jscagline, if he's that wrong, give him some truth instead of giving up yourself.  You probably turned him of as much as he turned you off.

Lepomis-mcro-I have been thinking about what you said-- and I think you are right, that if every animal died humans would have an extremely hard time staying alive.  But, just because we would do worse if all the animals die in no way proves that the animals don't need us, or even that they would do better if we weren't even here.  Now I know there are many animals that would do better without human disturbance, but then there are many native animals who's populations have multiplied greatly because of humans.  Whitetail deer for example, have much denser populations in many suburban areas than in adjacent areas.

So what are you advocating or suggesting that we humans do?  You can't declare that the human race be killed off.  How about just living just as you are and be a good steward to God's creation (don't litter, turn off the lights, and follow game laws ect.).

Polar bears have survived warmer fluctuations in temperature, so why be worried about this one?  Seems like somewhere I read that climatist were predicting global cooling and an ice age earlier in this century.  And just say, that Polar bears were to die off.  It would be a great loss, and certainly dissapointing, but just one species that goes extinct is not going to cause humans to die off.   The world has survived through other species extinctions.

Just a few thoughts I had.

Caleb

[calebB]

No comments?

[9ft4wt]

Damn. this has turned out to be a hot topic

9ft4wt

[Oldman]

Funny. With the 92 we had here today... the weather is definatly a very hot topic.  I say wait about 3 to 5 years and go back to this and see if there is any validity to whats going on around the world. The weather will get everybodys attention, after all it is the most talked about subject.

Dont yall get me wrong... I worry about it too.

Oh by the way, I totally agree with Mark so smite away.

[lepomis_mcro]

Jscagline, if he's that wrong, give him some truth instead of giving up yourself.  You probably turned him of as much as he turned you off.

Lepomis-mcro-I have been thinking about what you said-- and I think you are right, that if every animal died humans would have an extremely hard time staying alive.  But, just because we would do worse if all the animals die in no way proves that the animals don't need us, or even that they would do better if we weren't even here.  Now I know there are many animals that would do better without human disturbance, but then there are many native animals who's populations have multiplied greatly because of humans.  Whitetail deer for example, have much denser populations in many suburban areas than in adjacent areas.

So what are you advocating or suggesting that we humans do?  You can't declare that the human race be killed off.  How about just living just as you are and be a good steward to God's creation (don't litter, turn off the lights, and follow game laws ect.).

  Seems like somewhere I read that climatist were predicting global cooling and an ice age earlier in this century.  And just say, that Polar bears were to die off.  It would be a great loss, and certainly dissapointing, but just one species that goes extinct is not going to cause humans to die off.   The world has survived through other species extinctions.

Just a few thoughts I had.

Caleb

Polar bears have survived warmer fluctuations in temperature, so why be worried about this one?

in not really worried about the polar bears. one species by itself may not matter.

the problem i have is they start to add up

Since 1627, over 150 animal species are known to have become extinct, every one caused by humans. Several others may have become extinct in less documented ecosystems such as the Amazon rainforest, and hundreds of others are on the verge. Some of the best known recently extinct animals include (with year of extinction):

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Dictionary%20of%20recently%20extinct%20animals

jurassic park might have been a good movie, but in the real world. once they are gone, thats it no do overs.
take the southern brook trout. if loggers had their way. the fish would be even harder to find, and maybe not around for us to fish for today

Whitetail deer for example, have much denser populations in many suburban areas than in adjacent areas.

the white tail are doing better in the city because there is a trash can for them to eat out of. its not because city life is so great.

So what are you advocating or suggesting that we humans do?

i wish we would stop dumping every thing into the water,

Pesticide spill on Helton creek tributary 

http://www.brfff.com/forum/index.php/topic,3075.0.html

we went to the moon almost fourty years ago. dont you think its time we find a car that will run on something other than oil from the middle east? new houses that can benefit from it should have solar collectors on the roof. how about we dont package everything in plastic. how about a little restraint over our greed, so maybe what we did to the american buffalo does not happen again

just for starters

[troutphisher]

......im sorry if you didnt comprehend that.

I can see you are going to be one of those liberal ass hats that resort to being catty because you have no clue as to real content and substance in a nonbiased conversation.  You'll continue to bash or try to belittle because you were never taught to converse in an adult manner.

So now I am done with you....good day!

You should talk,
Lets see, who was it sticking up for a Chapstick and his call to pray for killing Muslims.
What a fucking joke for you to be calling any one asshat.....LOL

Why don't you stick to your beloved SELFF, and start this shit over there where it belongs.
You helped make that site a shit hole. And you might even get the praise you seam to desire from the rest of the low esteem crowd.

[MtnGrouseHtr]

the white tail are doing better in the city because there is a trash can for them to eat out of. its not because city life is so great.

If you think whitetails eat trash out of trash cans ...  we sure don't need to be taking ecological advice from you.

[jscagline]

......im sorry if you didnt comprehend that.

I can see you are going to be one of those liberal ass hats that resort to being catty because you have no clue as to real content and substance in a nonbiased conversation.  You'll continue to bash or try to belittle because you were never taught to converse in an adult manner.

So now I am done with you....good day!

You should talk,
Lets see, who was it sticking up for a Chapstick and his call to pray for killing Muslims.
What a fucking joke for you to be calling any one asshat.....LOL

Why don't you stick to your beloved SELFF, and start this shit over there where it belongs.
You helped make that site a shit hole. And you might even get the praise you seam to desire from the rest of the low esteem crowd.

Wow TP...couldn't do this in a pm....you must have been drinking!  Waiting so long to drop in and make a comment; whats the matter, had to wait and test the mood of the rest of the "court"?  Yeah, there's forward thinking for you!

First of all, I've already invested way too much time responding to your retarded post so I will dismiss it with this:

If SEFFF is a shit hole, it is because of folks like you who were only there to flame and cause trouble.  You lack the ability to converse like a responsible adult evident by your above post.  You state your opinion and call names and flame anyone who disagrees.

I never sought praise from anywhere, don't need it.  By the way, I see your spelling hasn't improved any....I can see you didn't take my advice and take some classes.......what a bitter little person you are for having to bring up old shit.  But that is okay, I forgive you.  I'm done with you too, but I forgive you.  And if it makes you feel better you can be an ass hat also.

Lastly, get used to it, I'm here until Wooly closes the site or he bans me so move on man, life is too good and short to be bitter!

I would have preferred to have this exchange in PM but YOU chose to put it here........

Good day!

[troutphisher]

Funny, you just resorted to name-calling, the same thing you accused Leper of.

I haven't posted on the SELFF in over two years, the current status falls squarely on the current members that includes you.

The cult you have helped develop over there is a good place for you.
Look at the current posts and bickering that takes place, a proud legacy for sure.

You are more than welcome to hang around here, but if all you going to contribute is jokes and personal attacks on other members," who, by the way contribute a hell of a lot more than you do" Than you have to take the heat that comes with it. Unlike SELFF we are not a cult following, you start shit here and we call you out.

The fact that I waited so long was pure enjoyment on my behalf, you see I like to feed the rope to the fools, it makes the snap much louder when the reach the end of it.

I don't think we have to wait to long for you to be banned, a fool usually stumbles down that path on his own, but I will have some fun during your stay.

[troutdawg]

the white tail are doing better in the city because there is a trash can for them to eat out of. its not because city life is so great.

If you think whitetails eat trash out of trash cans ...  we sure don't need to be taking ecological advice from you.

It would be nice if they did, though.  Recycling is good for the environment and the darn things would stay away from my garden.

[lepomis_mcro]

the white tail are doing better in the city because there is a trash can for them to eat out of. its not because city life is so great.

If you think whitetails eat trash out of trash cans ...  we sure don't need to be taking ecological advice from you.

i guess im not the only one that thinks they will eat trash...

Habitat

Deer generally prefer open woodland, but are often found on the fringes of urban areas and in farming country, but desert species can occur in most habitats within 10 miles of a water source. They often enter human inhabited areas and feast on flowers and grass as well as regularly getting a drink from man's abundant water supplies. Some deer have also taken to eating garbage and plastic which is not at all good for them. Recently. A number of deer had to be sacrificed at the Grand Canyon after having eaten human trash which stopped up their systems and caused them not to be able to process food.

http://www.desertusa.com/mag99/june/papr/wtdeer.html

but it does look like i was wrong about the garbage helping the population. it looks like if you want to decrease the population you let them have at your trash.

[MtnGrouseHtr]

I bet it took a while to google up that quote. I also bet you could find a documented case of a polar bear eating a Toucan if you looked long enough..  I would say its pretty rare though.

[stonedfly17]

Not to mention that those Grand Canyon deer probably chewed on a little peyote before hitting up the garbage can for munchies.

[troutphisher]

I finally figured it out Scagline!

From reading your past and present posts, it got me thinking about my psychology classes. I remember distinct indices attributable to homosexual behavior.

For instance the need to fit into the crowd. The clinging on the words or other males, and congratulatory comments given to those you seek approval of.

I think I am beginning to understand your behavior, and the inner struggles that torment you. It must be very difficult for you to hide.

It's ok to be gay. This is the 21st century. 

Unfortunately this is not a gay site, but I am sure with a little effort involving a google search you can find a place to fit in. Here is one link that maybe helpful. I am sure you'll find like oriented folks here.


http://www.southeastflyfishingforum.com/forum/


Just think, years down the road, you'll thank me, for helping you come out of the closet.

You are not expected to send Christmas cards or birthday wishes; just knowing I helped you is enough gratitude.



TP.