I am going to assist with sampling of lower river in the morning. Will try to get some cellphone photos to post as we go along. Big photo dump will have to wait until I get home to regular computer.
Going to try a test photo with this cellphone. Got some deer on the edge of lawn, - nope, file is too big. So much for that. You'll have to wait until I get home.
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Big fish from today was 23 inches.
Going to hit from Kohler to Doe Run tomorrow. That section has never been sampled should be interesting
Al is there any more room for tag alongs
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Al is there any more room for tag alongs
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Sorry I didn't see this sooner. Yes, next time but you have to furnish your own canoe or kayak.
Big fish for today was just shy of 25. Photos when I get home.
Here are a few photos from this weeks sampling
Couple photos from the 2nd day (Kohler to Doe Run)
I've got to float this river more often
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Let me know woolleybulley
George is showing some age on him
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I've got to float this river more often
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Currently looks like coffee and cream at the 58 bypass.
FYI -
For you guys with rafts or even small drift boats - There is a unimproved ramp just down from the Fieldale Bridge on road that goes to old sewer plant. You should have a 4 WD but it is very doable to launch a boat. Getting through the Koelar Islands would be your only "bony" water at the current flows. Should be good fishing for at least 2/3 the way to the Doe Run ramp, which is a ramp you can back right into to pull your rig out with no problem.
Not sure what the fishing would be for the last 1/3 distance because it was too wide and too deep for good sampling with the raft - check back with me in about a month because we are going to bring a jet boat with high power electronic gear to check it out. This week's run was the first time anyone had gone down that way with sampling gear - now that we know what it looks like George says we should be able to launch at Doe Run with a jet boat and drive all the way up to behind Hill Memorial Church and sample in less then half the time and less effort.
OK, this is the last tidbit I am going to post on open forum
This is by no means a personal attack on Al but, I Wish they would fuck off with shocking fish and just do more patrolling. There are people that will take 30 fish a day out of there and as soon as they hear about this all those big fish will be caught and taken. If they make these samples public you might as well draw the bait chunkers a map to the fish. They have canoes and the ability to access these spots now.
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Quote from: IFStultz on July 18, 2016, 09:57:04 AM
This is by no means a personal attack on Al but, I Wish they would fuck off with shocking fish and just do more patrolling. There are people that will take 30 fish a day out of there and as soon as they hear about this all those big fish will be caught and taken. If they make these samples public you might as well draw the bait chunkers a map to the fish. They have canoes and the ability to access these spots now.
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Do you have evidence to support your claims?
Quote from: IFStultz on July 18, 2016, 09:57:04 AM
This is by no means a personal attack on Al but, I Wish they would fuck off with shocking fish and just do more patrolling. There are people that will take 30 fish a day out of there and as soon as they hear about this all those big fish will be caught and taken. If they make these samples public you might as well draw the bait chunkers a map to the fish. They have canoes and the ability to access these spots now.
Yes, spoken like a true new puerile fly angler possessed with nonscientific sibyllic powers.
Best not alienate the so-called "bait chunkers". Trust me; you're going to need them if anglers are going to win this battle against the latest boater rage.
I think we can agree the "bait chunkers" are local; the skilled ones already know the river. The peril of over-loving the river, if it happens, will come from fly anglers.
"......take 30 fish a day...." Might be ok since most mawkish fly anglers are not keeping any as suggested.
Don't get fooled by my post count, I've fished that river as long as anyone and longer than most. I've heard people brag about taking more than their limit my whole life. What good exactly is shock surveying gonna do? What good is getting that data if you don't reinforce the laws that are supposed to protect the resource. I've personally had guys tell me "they shocked below the spillway and there are big fish down there" then the word spreads and poachers go take them. It's way easier for the average person to go after them with minnows, power bait, worms whatever. Taking a little more than your limit may not be that bad for the river but taking the few remaining large Browns is a problem. In twenty years I've been stopped by a game warden once. Once. How often have you seen them? If you wanna survey fine but keep the findings to yourself.
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Quote from: IFStultz on July 18, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Don't get fooled by my post count, I've fished that river as long as anyone and longer than most. I've heard people brag about taking more than their limit my whole life. What good exactly is shock surveying gonna do? What good is getting that data if you don't reinforce the laws that are supposed to protect the resource. I've personally had guys tell me "they shocked below the spillway and there are big fish down there" then the word spreads and poachers go take them. It's way easier for the average person to go after them with minnows, power bait, worms whatever. Taking a little more than your limit may not be that bad for the river but taking the few remaining large Browns is a problem. In twenty years I've been stopped by a game warden once. Once. How often have you seen them? If you wanna survey fine but keep the findings to yourself.
I've been checked 4 times that I can recall since the early 70s, and 2 of those were on the old opening day in what was the special regulation area.
".....taking the few remaining large Browns..." is not the problem. The problems in the upper reaches above Martinsville are too many small fish and an insufficient food base. Check the data; I believe in the sections where VDGIF have removed thousands of small trout the growth rate of those remaining has increased. You either decrease the herd or increase the food. That is the Smith River story exposed by shocking.
Some bitch about the locals taking all the "breeders". What is the average size of the spawning browns above Martinsville? Take a guess. 9-12 inches!!!!!
We must get our heads out of our asses as fly anglers, and join ranks with the spin/bait/stocker anglers, OR we're going to get our asses handed to us by a bunch of floaters in brightly colored plastic crafts.
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Quote from: IFStultz on July 18, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Don't get fooled by my post count, I've fished that river as long as anyone and longer than most. I've heard people brag about taking more than their limit my whole life. What good exactly is shock surveying gonna do? What good is getting that data if you don't reinforce the laws that are supposed to protect the resource. I've personally had guys tell me "they shocked below the spillway and there are big fish down there" then the word spreads and poachers go take them. It's way easier for the average person to go after them with minnows, power bait, worms whatever. Taking a little more than your limit may not be that bad for the river but taking the few remaining large Browns is a problem. In twenty years I've been stopped by a game warden once. Once. How often have you seen them? If you wanna survey fine but keep the findings to yourself.
I've been checked 4 times that I can recall since the early 70s, and 2 of those were on the old opening day in what was the special regulation area.
".....taking the few remaining large Browns..." is not the problem. The problems in the upper reaches above Martinsville are too many small fish and an insufficient food base. Check the data; I believe in the sections where VDGIF have removed thousands of small trout the growth rate of those remaining has increased. You either decrease the herd or increase the food. That is the Smith River story exposed by shocking.
Some bitch about the locals taking all the "breeders". What is the average size of the spawning browns above Martinsville? Take a guess. 9-12 inches!!!!!
We must get our heads out of our asses as fly anglers, and join ranks with the spin/bait/stocker anglers, OR we're going to get our asses handed to us by a bunch of floaters in brightly colored plastic crafts.
That's all fine and great. Wouldn't you like to have a chance of catching 20"+ fish or hell even 16-18" fish? I'm not saying all the bait fisherman are bad but some of them don't give two shits about the slot or creel limits. That is against the law, morally wrong, and bad for the resource. By no means do I mean to characterize all of them as rednecks or poachers. Just saying they have an advantage to catching those fish and there are a few of them who are straight up head hunters. With the dam being broken it's quite easier to get to those fish at 270cfs.
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wow! damned if you do damned if you don't
I can understand and totally agree with the idea of broadcasting the pictures telling exact locations..... hell I have shown a few fish caught on the river...
but one thing for sure you wont be able to tell where I'm at by the picture. I don't give directions or draw maps like lots of these fellows do. I will share anything I know if asked by the right people. I have spent a bunch of time on the river also and have never seen an Officer . Enforcement on this river is not different then any other river. One thing for sure we must share this river with all locals and people with different ideas or ways of fishing. Now most important....I think your wrong about the VDGIF.....THEY ARE THE ONLY HOPE FOR THE RIVER......PERIOD. In some ways the river is improving because of their help but just like you I wish there was fewer people and more law enforcement. There is not a lot of access to the river so lets not step on the toes of those controlling it with labels or judgment because it is not our opinion .
Just got back to my desktop and will try to respond without using lot of emotion.
I hate it that most of us on this forum use screen names. I've never been able to keep track of who is who. I may know IFShultz and may even have him in my email address book. Hopefully he is one of those who show up when I put out a rallying call for volunteers to assist with our normal Smith River sampling and occasionally at our SRTU meetings - if not, why not?
I know that some of you don't like to hear this but I'm a believer that the main reason the Smith has gone from being a stream that no one wanted to fish to one that folks are now seeing with great potential is increased involvement by VDGIF in collaboration with SRTU and a few individuals who actively advocate for the resource - hopefully many of you count yourself as one of them.
It has already been pointed out that some of the locals know the fishery better then most of us and many of them do not practice catch and release. We addressed this by establishing the protection on brown trout in the 10-24 inch range. I can hear you saying "Yes, but the locals are not following it". That may be so but I don't believe poaching inside the slot is as prevalent as many think. Right now most of the fish below the MV dam and many of those from Kohler to Doe Run fall within the protected slot. If you see anyone with a stringer of fish in those areas they are likely in violation.
The problem lies with each of us who witness these violations and merely shake our heads in disgust and mutter under our breath. Most of us carry cell phones and the number to report suspicious activity or violations is 1-800-237-5712. Unfortunately we do not currently have a dedicated CPO / Game Warden but they will send someone to check things out. If you can take a photo or get a good description they will gladly use that in a follow up investigation. Even if nothing comes of it your report goes on record and the enforcement supervisors allocate their resources accordingly.
The Smith is what is known as a two tier fishery, ie it is stocked with rainbows and has naturally spawned browns. Some folks have advocated stopping the stocking but that is not going to happen. In fact, there is some discussion about continuing to stock during non-stocking season if and when they get the cold water flows back to normal (yes, that would mess up some of you guys who are too cheap to purchase a trout license). IFS also mentioned folks catching multiple limits on stocking day - it happens but probably not as much as we think. This is also the day that enforcement officers are more apt to be around so folks who cheat do so at their own peril. Once again, if we let it pass we are part of the problem.
OK, not sure I addressed everything. I maybe even stirred the pot but isn't that what fishing forums are all about 0:0
What Al says and more.
If you "know poaching is going on" and you don't call that number....you are part of the problem.
If you don't get pictures and license plate numbers.....you are part of the problem.
If you don't "know what good exactly is shock surveying gonna do" maybe you should join in one time. Or come to our December meeting where the biologists present their yearly findings. You just might learn a thing or two about the river and their work and how those surveys determine their river management.
I'm a wee babe on the Smiff. Coming up on 8 or 9 years of getting schooled. I have been stopped once on the Smith below 220 bridge. A stocked section.
We had a nice conversation about fly fishing, which he had little knowledge of. I thanked him for his service. These guys are stretched thin, overworked, underpaid and under thanked.
And BTW, I know everyone in this thread except you, Mr. IFS. Come to a meeting or our fish with a friend in September. Or flag me down on the river, you've seen my mug.
I agree with Ifstultz, I grew up on the smith and I have been fly fishing the lower end over 25 years. I have never gotten on social media and posted pictures or bragged about how great the fishing is below Koehler. The reason why is because I release the fish I catch. If the the average fishermen finds out that stretch of river holds nice size Browns they will fuck it up for people that really do respect the rules. Most of the river that far down is inaccessible from the bank meaning that it is not patrolled by wardens. They can check you coming in or out but that's about it. So what I'm trying to say is if you want the lower end to be as fucked up as the upper sections keep posting pics and telling everyone about the precious resource of Browns that are there and I promise they will be cleaned out and if you don't shut the hell up about it!
Quote. maybe even stirred the pot but isn't that what fishing forums are all about?
That was funny.
The Smith Conundrum:
How to get the upper fish to grow and how to get the lower fish to reproduce (more).
No one should be fooled that there are no large fish in the Bassett area. They are just harder to find.
Al, don't make me post that pic again from last August.
Sampling may well help solve that mystery one day.
Sample your little heart out but keep the findings to yourself. Maybe spend a little more of the ridiculous license fees on enforcement. That's all. Nothing personal.
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I'm not arguing against enforcement and I do agree with you on that point.
I have also seen yay-hoos creeling fish inside the slot. In fact two summers ago I watched two characters float a large stretch of the UPPER River in a John boat with a bunch of 8-14" inch Browns in the boat. I took a pic and sent it to VDGIF. I don't know if they took action or not, but enough complaining may spark action.
Regarding chuckers and tossers: it's been said, unity is needed. There is a fight for the future of the river and a few dozen fly fishermen will not win it alone. I despise treble hooks, but it is what it is.
I think far too much info is being handed out in these smith threads too, but it ain't the only game in town.
I am certain there have been, possibly still are members of this forum that fish by both means. I used to years ago. There are also novice fly fishermen who will try the 5 weight with a dry dropper, but if they don't get what they want, they will gladly switch to the UL rig and a panther Martin.
Food for thought.
Quote from: ICflies on July 18, 2016, 16:10:35 PM
I agree with Ifstultz, I grew up on the smith and I have been fly fishing the lower end over 25 years. I have never gotten on social media and posted pictures or bragged about how great the fishing is below Koehler. The reason why is because I release the fish I catch. If the the average fishermen finds out that stretch of river holds nice size Browns they will fuck it up for people that really do respect the rules. Most of the river that far down is inaccessible from the bank meaning that it is not patrolled by wardens. They can check you coming in or out but that's about it. So what I'm trying to say is if you want the lower end to be as fucked up as the upper sections keep posting pics and telling everyone about the precious resource of Browns that are there and I promise they will be cleaned out and if you don't shut the hell up about it!
I see we have another newcomer to the forum - Welcome.
Do I know you? Have we met? Hopefully you have been contributing and not just fishing your "secret spots" and muttering about all us fools who see the Smith as more then a "secret spot". As TF just mentioned below. We need a little unity and perhaps there is too much info given out but let's face it the Smith is not a blueline. You old timers with your secret spots may not agree but having fished the Smith for the past 25 years myself I say things are better and they got that way because a few of us got things going. Forums like this got the ball rolling.
Dude sounds like Brian Williams. Nothing personal.
Fuck Brian Williams.
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No we have never met other than maybe passing on the river. I don't consider my spots "secret" they are open to anyone that's willing to put in the time and really fish the water and not stand under a bridge waiting for the fish to be thrown into your net. That is NOT what trout fishing should be. I do not agree with advertising LARGE BROWN TROUT HERE! If people want to find out what's on the lower end they need to get off their asses and put in the work. This is not personal but I know from experience that when you spread the word you don't get to choose the company that shows up!
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I'm agreeing here Al. You gave me a couple of spots, I took it from there.
Harvesting GPS data from pics can help too.
Do you really need a cattle prod to find out there are fish in a river? The problem is the size of the trout on the upper river. I know you work with wounded warriors and volunteer with TU and what not and I appreciate it. We should all be doing some of that. You're not solely responsible for the data going public either. The people doing the surveys could use a little discretion though.
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Poaching the fishes in the slot ain't cool. Keeping over the limit ain't cool. And I'll go on the record that not creeling a limit of those <10 inchers ain't cool either.
Eat some Smith browns and mend the angling; it will do more for the fishery than picking up old tires and other refuse.
I'm not saying that shocking isn't necessary, it should be done for health purposes only to make sure the river is becoming cleaner and the fish are thriving and healthy. It should not be done so people can sit on a boat and say "look what I got" that's fucked up in my opinion do the test and put the fish back
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IFStultz: News flash: You ain't a special little snowflake. You don't own the Smith River, and it isn't your private trout water. Any of those local folks you talk about like trash already know that there are big browns in there. Duh. As long as they are fishing legally, the guy drowning nightcrawlers has just as much right to fish as you or I do. We're not special. Jesus will not put gold stars on your permanent record, or mine, for releasing 24" brown trout, or for fishing with little wispy feathery things instead of a wad of redworms or a Mepps spinner . Anybody who catches one and keeps it within the law is just as in the right as we are. And as others have said, if some are poaching and you know it, you're enabling them if you don't say something. Plus-Nobody is gonna clean the brown trout out of a river that size.
Consider: They're non-native fish in an artificial fishery.They are not native to the watershed. If we were really concerned about the health of the river, we would lobby to poison the European invasive fish and bring back the redhorses and warmouth bream and longnose gar.
At least Al is trying to do something constructive to help out his fellow anglers instead of sitting around bitching about somebody else fishing "his" river. Get over yourself. Sounds like your definition of a "poacher" is anyone fishing the Smith River who isn't you, or any subhuman inbred redneck bastard who was born and raised in NC instead of moving here from up North, or anybody who isn't a fly fisherman. I love to fly fish. I am a rabid fly fisherman. I turn loose 99% of the fish I catch. And: I ain't a bit damn better than anybody who fishes any other way, or eats 24" browns for supper. Most of us were bait or spin fishermen before we started fly fishing, and I still own a couple spinning rods and use them occasionally, and there ain't a damn thing wrong with that.
Rant over.
Quote from: ICflies on July 18, 2016, 17:34:21 PM
I'm not saying that shocking isn't necessary, it should be done for health purposes only to make sure the river is becoming cleaner and the fish are thriving and healthy. It should not be done so people can sit on a boat and say "look what I got" that's fucked up in my opinion do the test and put the fish back
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Is that any better than the rest of us catching and torturing fish on our fly rods for our own amusement and to say "look what I caught?"
They're fish. They ain't people or Gods. They'll make more.
IF, it's not just about confirming fish presence, c'mon man you know that. It's about growth versus age, diet, genetics, disease, predation and dozens of other variables that can effect the fishery. Think of it like this, the upper river is limited in forage fish, crayfish and insect life is hit or miss from one 1/2 mile to the next. The lower river has forage, ample forage. It also has higher temps and I believe I was told last year that reproduction is much lower. So, through sampling VDIGF is taking punes in the 6-12" size, clipping their adipose fin and relocating them downriver. These guys are showing stunted growth for their age, but then when recollected downriver a year or two later they are showing ample growth. This is science working to improve the fishery.
I get your gripe about too much of the game being given away on here, but I wouldn't question why they sample. Perhaps you should speak with Al offline and join him on a sampling trip, I did and I learned a good bit.
I know most of the spots and have seen many impressive Smith fish pics. None of this has moved me to fish the Smith and I cannot foresee fishing this river in the near future. It ain't for every market, just sayin.
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Quote from: ICflies on July 18, 2016, 17:34:21 PM
I'm not saying that shocking isn't necessary, it should be done for health purposes only to make sure the river is becoming cleaner and the fish are thriving and healthy. It should not be done so people can sit on a boat and say "look what I got" that's fucked up in my opinion do the test and put the fish back
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Is that any better than the rest of us catching and torturing fish on our fly rods for our own amusement and to say "look what I caught?"
They're fish. They ain't people or Gods. They'll make more.
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Quote from: ICflies on July 18, 2016, 17:34:21 PM
I'm not saying that shocking isn't necessary, it should be done for health purposes only to make sure the river is becoming cleaner and the fish are thriving and healthy. It should not be done so people can sit on a boat and say "look what I got" that's fucked up in my opinion do the test and put the fish back
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Is that any better than the rest of us catching and torturing fish on our fly rods for our own amusement and to say "look what I caught?"
They're fish. They ain't people or Gods. They'll make more.
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You have obviously missed the point all together, thanks for your input though
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Really? Am I the one that missed the point? If you say so? I've been doing this nearly half a century. What do you do to fish? How long you been fly fishing?
Yellowhammer. First off let me say that I'm sorry about your reading comprehension problem. If you read my comments real real careful, I never claimed to be anything nor did I say anything derogatory specifically about bait chunkers. It's not my river. I try to help people catch more fish there any chance I get. I talk to all the fisherman there not just fly fisherman and treat them with equal respect. Having grown up there I do hold that dirty old river close to my heart. Growing up there I also know people that will jump on the chance to take a trophy from those waters slot or not. Now I know you're a angry at the world and I see you have 674 posts in 1 year and 17 days. Now let me give you a nickels worth of free advice. If you spend more time out in the world and less time in momma's basement I promise, promise, you that with a little effort and some social skills one day you will see your first titty in real life. Take care,
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Quote from: troutfanatic on July 18, 2016, 17:49:45 PM
IF, it's not just about confirming fish presence, c'mon man you know that. It's about growth versus age, diet, genetics, disease, predation and dozens of other variables that can effect the fishery. Think of it like this, the upper river is limited in forage fish, crayfish and insect life is hit or miss from one 1/2 mile to the next. The lower river has forage, ample forage. It also has higher temps and I believe I was told last year that reproduction is much lower. So, through sampling VDIGF is taking punes in the 6-12" size, clipping their adipose fin and relocating them downriver. These guys are showing stunted growth for their age, but then when recollected downriver a year or two later they are showing ample growth. This is science working to improve the fishery.
I get your gripe about too much of the game being given away on here, but I wouldn't question why they sample. Perhaps you should speak with Al offline and join him on a sampling trip, I did and I learned a good bit.
You got me there.
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Quote from: IFStultz on July 18, 2016, 19:06:21 PM
Yellowhammer. First off let me say that I'm sorry about your reading comprehension problem. If you read my comments real real careful, I never claimed to be anything nor did I say anything derogatory specifically about bait chunkers. It's not my river. I try to help people catch more fish there any chance I get. I talk to all the fisherman there not just fly fisherman and treat them with equal respect. Having grown up there I do hold that dirty old river close to my heart. Growing up there I also know people that will jump on the chance to take a trophy from those waters slot or not. Now I know you're a angry at the world and I see you have 674 posts in 1 year and 17 days. Now let me give you a nickels worth of free advice. If you spend more time out in the world and less time in momma's basement I promise, promise, you that with a little effort and some social skills one day you will see your first titty in real life. Hang in there.
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no combined effort.............exactly why Brian Williams will get his water to make the boaters happy. Hell they don't need any fish to float down to Eden.
Quote from: IFStultz on July 18, 2016, 19:06:21 PM
Yellowhammer. First off let me say that I'm sorry about your reading comprehension problem. If you read my comments real real careful, I never claimed to be anything nor did I say anything derogatory specifically about bait chunkers. It's not my river. I try to help people catch more fish there any chance I get. I talk to all the fisherman there not just fly fisherman and treat them with equal respect. Having grown up there I do hold that dirty old river close to my heart. Growing up there I also know people that will jump on the chance to take a trophy from those waters slot or not. Now I know you're a angry at the world and I see you have 674 posts in 1 year and 17 days. Now let me give you a nickels worth of free advice. If you spend more time out in the world and less time in momma's basement I promise, promise, you that with a little effort and some social skills one day you will see your first titty in real life. Take care,
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If you say so. I'd say I saw my first titty long, long before you were born. I have nothing to prove. I grew up running wild in the mountains back when dinosaurs still roamed the earth. Never been in mama's basement. Thirty years ago, I thought I knew everything too. I was wrong. You are too. You'll figure it out one day.
Also I am not fake. I'm not a "professional trout fisherman", yuppie guidebro, or money-making from a public resource prostaff type guy who thinks all the fish belong to him. Nor do I have much respect for those who are.
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Quote from: IFStultz on July 18, 2016, 19:06:21 PM
Yellowhammer. First off let me say that I'm sorry about your reading comprehension problem. If you read my comments real real careful, I never claimed to be anything nor did I say anything derogatory specifically about bait chunkers. It's not my river. I try to help people catch more fish there any chance I get. I talk to all the fisherman there not just fly fisherman and treat them with equal respect. Having grown up there I do hold that dirty old river close to my heart. Growing up there I also know people that will jump on the chance to take a trophy from those waters slot or not. Now I know you're a angry at the world and I see you have 674 posts in 1 year and 17 days. Now let me give you a nickels worth of free advice. If you spend more time out in the world and less time in momma's basement I promise, promise, you that with a little effort and some social skills one day you will see your first titty in real life. Take care,
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Also I am not fake. I'm not a "professional trout fisherman", guide, or money-making from a public resource prostaff type guy who thinks all the fish belong to him. Nor do I have much respect for those who are.
Likewise.
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Probably time to close this thread out guys. :banana072:
Let me leave you with this - next time we sample we are going to do a long overdue age and growth study on some of the fish we collect. That means means we will be extracting ear bones for later study in the laboratory (growth rings like on a tree). When I told Mrs K, who understands the process, she put in her order for a few baking fish.
Keep up the good work, Al.
This was a productive thread for a hot minute.
If you guys got a line on some plump chicks with big old double Ds, hook a bray up. I like looking at titties.
I'd contribute more to good threads like this but there always seems to be "stress on the server" when I log in.
n!n
Dayum this thread blew up and is hotter than two rats fucking in a wool sock!
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Dayum this thread blew up and is hotter than two rats fucking in a wool sock!
I am going to hijack this thread, because, unlike Brian, I now think the thread sucks and I added to the suckiness. And I have exactly 12 days of employment and am feeling mighty free.
The Boss redirected with his brilliant "hotter than two rats fucking in a wool sock". I pride myself on recognizing the local colloquialisms, but I have never heard this one. Many, many thanks!!! I can add it to my:
1. 2 groundhogs fighting in a tater sack
2. Hotter or luckier than a 40 peckered billy goat
3. Hotter than a 40 balled tom cat
4. So hot she has to piss in the creek to keep from setting the woods on fire
5. Sweating or nervous as a whore in church
6. She's so fat you'll need a stack of bookmarkers to keep track of the cracks
You all get the idea. I want to learn more.
Hotter than the Olson twins in a 69.
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https://youtu.be/uhJx1gpl0kM
Aw no, it went sucky at the end.
Humble beginnings and solid intent for 2.5 pages.
I give it a C+
Speaking of hot, it's hotter than a lump of coal stuck between Rosie O'Donnell's ass cheeks in the Sandhills.
....its so hot that the fishermen agreed with Brian Williams for 4 hours of cold water down stream............ p;-
Just came up with a variation of an oldie!!!!
Nasty as a bag full of crickets.
Sorry, PeeWee's prose made me think of it, and modify 'Uglier than a bag full of assholes'. It all works.
Uglier than homemade sin.
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One I don't get to use often enough, but a personal favorite.
"Slicker than two frogs fucking in a bucket of snot"
Slicker than greased goose shit.
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Favorite saying from my paramedic teacher "slicker than eel shit" Jeff Reynolds.
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You want game wardens on the river....don't call VDGIF. They know they don't have the manpower to make it happen. There are only 3 GW's covering Patrick, Henry, Franklin, and Pittsylvania Counties right now. As long as SML is in this district, you aint going to see them during boating season. Period.
People need to start calling the politicians when they see violations(after you call the hotline) and complain about the lack of response to your call even with higher license fees. This is the only way to make a difference. I know most of us HATE anything to do with politics, but that is the only hope for this river at this point.
Quote from: VaTrout on July 23, 2016, 15:25:30 PM
You want game wardens on the river....don't call VDGIF. They know they don't have the manpower to make it happen. There are only 3 GW's covering Patrick, Henry, Franklin, and Pittsylvania Counties right now. As long as SML is in this district, you aint going to see them during boating season. Period.
People need to start calling the politicians when they see violations(after you call the hotline) and complain about the lack of response to your call even with higher license fees. This is the only way to make a difference. I know most of us HATE anything to do with politics, but that is the only hope for this river at this point.
Good point - I think you did this before but can you give us some names and contact info for the local and regional folks we should be contacting.
Quote from: Al on July 23, 2016, 15:43:21 PM
Quote from: VaTrout on July 23, 2016, 15:25:30 PM
You want game wardens on the river....don't call VDGIF. They know they don't have the manpower to make it happen. There are only 3 GW's covering Patrick, Henry, Franklin, and Pittsylvania Counties right now. As long as SML is in this district, you aint going to see them during boating season. Period.
People need to start calling the politicians when they see violations(after you call the hotline) and complain about the lack of response to your call even with higher license fees. This is the only way to make a difference. I know most of us HATE anything to do with politics, but that is the only hope for this river at this point.
Good point - I think you did this before but can you give us some names and contact info for the local and regional folks we should be contacting.
State
Leslie R. Adams 804-698-1060, 434-432-1600, DelLAdams@house.virginia.gov, http://lesadams.org (http://lesadams.org)
Bill Stanley - 804-698*7520, 540-721-6028, district20@senate.virginia.gov http://stanleyforsenate.com/ (http://stanleyforsenate.com/)
US
Congress
Morgan Griffith - 202-225-3861, 276-525-1405, Here's his staffers email ->Michelle.Jenkins@mail.house.gov
Senate
Mark Warner - 202-224-2023, 276-628-8158
Tim Kaine(Probably wouldn't waste my time wit this one now)
Local
http://www.henrycountyva.gov/members (http://www.henrycountyva.gov/members)