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Title: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Aka on April 06, 2014, 18:46:39 PM
Anyone have or have a suggestion on a ten weight that I can fish in the salt & won't break the bank?
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: RiverbumCO on April 06, 2014, 19:09:33 PM
Predator or Mangrove.  From there its just brand preference.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Big J on April 06, 2014, 19:10:23 PM
http://www.echoflyfishing.com/html/rod_category_details.php?category_id=3&page_id=15&product_type=1 (http://www.echoflyfishing.com/html/rod_category_details.php?category_id=3&page_id=15&product_type=1)

Love the Echo Ion's, that's what I have and love it.  Love their warranty too.

Have heard great things with the Redington Predators too.  Both are reasonably priced.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Michael Toris on April 06, 2014, 19:51:17 PM
Predator man. I've got one. Casted many different 10 weights and I like it the best. Fast as hell and will lift a tank.

Mangrove is a great rod too. Loads deeper with a different feel. Depends on your casting style.

Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Aka on April 06, 2014, 20:38:58 PM
I found a Thomas & Thomas rod for less than I would have thought and was tempted to buy it. I fished a 4 weight of the same rod and it was the best casting rod I've touched. But it's double the cost used as these and I fished a 4 wt with dries so really don't know how it would handle as a 10 wt.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: snagaluffaguss on April 06, 2014, 21:01:23 PM
Do you want to fish for Permit with it?  If so then get the T&T.

I have a feeling that your intention is to take that birthday present I worked so hard on for you and just throw it in the fuggin water.

If that be the case then just get the Predator its a good meat chucker.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Aka on April 06, 2014, 21:18:30 PM
Quote from: snagaluffaguss on April 06, 2014, 21:01:23 PM
Do you want to fish for Permit with it?  If so then get the T&T.

I have a feeling that your intention is to take that birthday present I worked so hard on for you and just throw it in the fuggin water.

If that be the case then just get the Predator its a good meat chucker.

Snook, I wanted tarpon but looks like the absulute wrong time of the year. Will probably have chances at Amber jack, rooster and Spanish mackerel. None as technical as permit, but I like casting, it's more than what you do to get the fly in front of a fish.
Then I want to bring it home and use it to throw that thing that's been hanging on my key holder since February.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Michael Toris on April 06, 2014, 21:39:22 PM
Completely honest here, mu predator 10wt is one of the best casting rods ive casted. It will absolutely blast it
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Jfey on April 07, 2014, 10:18:02 AM
I'll second the predator as a meat throwing machine.   
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Transylwader on April 07, 2014, 12:17:03 PM
Redington Torrent (although, mine is in two pieces after a parking lot casting demo went sour)
I have landed everything from Lemon shark to the Gar of Jesus. You can use it for those overrated asshole Musky too.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Aka on April 07, 2014, 19:11:12 PM
Quote from: Transylwader on April 07, 2014, 12:17:03 PM
Redington Torrent (although, mine is in two pieces after a parking lot casting demo went sour)
I have landed everything from Lemon shark to the Gar of Jesus. You can use it for those overrated asshole Musky too.

I have a bit of time before I have to commit and will probably try to cast some of the suggestions. I wish I could cast the T&T but I doubt I'll get anywhere near a dealer before July.

Heath - like you guessed, whatever I do end up with will be used to throw meat to musky on the boat I don't have... But being they are the fish of ten thousand casts (more than likely double that for me) I think the more enjoyable casting rod will keep me going. DRO doesn't have one I can lawn cast do they?
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Michael Toris on April 07, 2014, 21:37:52 PM
If you are musky fishing,  then you can take that ghay ass T&T, stick it in your poopshoot, then go buy a fucking predator. They are meant for the ski. Carbon wrapped weak sections for extra strength. Also very light and fast as hell. I'm telling you, you will regret not getting a predator for musky
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: _Fish_Pimp on April 07, 2014, 22:14:18 PM
I fished the T&T horizon II 10wt for albacore, I liked it. not sure if I'd wanna stick it way down in the water to figure 8 for ski with...its too expensive and the blank is pretty thin walled, seems like it might be easily broken. I've fished a few predators, 8 and 10wts..they're nice rods. and cheap and the warranty dept. is probably a lot faster than T&T.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Transylwader on April 07, 2014, 22:45:01 PM
Quote from: _Fish_Pimp on April 07, 2014, 22:14:18 PM
I fished the T&T horizon II 10wt for albacore, I liked it. not sure if I'd wanna stick it way down in the water to figure 8 for ski with...its too expensive and the blank is pretty thin walled, seems like it might be easily broken. I've fished a few predators, 8 and 10wts..they're nice rods. and cheap and the warranty dept. is probably a lot faster than T&T.
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Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Michael Toris on April 07, 2014, 22:52:50 PM
Quote from: Transylwader on April 07, 2014, 22:45:01 PM
Quote from: _Fish_Pimp on April 07, 2014, 22:14:18 PM
I fished the T&T horizon II 10wt for albacore, I liked it. not sure if I'd wanna stick it way down in the water to figure 8 for ski with...its too expensive and the blank is pretty thin walled, seems like it might be easily broken. I've fished a few predators, 8 and 10wts..they're nice rods. and cheap and the warranty dept. is probably a lot faster than T&T.
your avatar is awful, just awful. Fix dat shit bruh...

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Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: _Fish_Pimp on April 07, 2014, 23:07:34 PM
Quote from: Transylwader on April 07, 2014, 22:45:01 PM
Quote from: _Fish_Pimp on April 07, 2014, 22:14:18 PM
I fished the T&T horizon II 10wt for albacore, I liked it. not sure if I'd wanna stick it way down in the water to figure 8 for ski with...its too expensive and the blank is pretty thin walled, seems like it might be easily broken. I've fished a few predators, 8 and 10wts..they're nice rods. and cheap and the warranty dept. is probably a lot faster than T&T.
your avatar is awful, just awful. Fix dat shit bruh...

it is pretty bad, huh? kinda funny though


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Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Aka on April 08, 2014, 18:37:23 PM

Quote from: _Fish_Pimp on April 07, 2014, 22:14:18 PM
I fished the T&T horizon II 10wt for albacore, I liked it. not sure if I'd wanna stick it way down in the water to figure 8 for ski with...its too expensive and the blank is pretty thin walled, seems like it might be easily broken. I've fished a few predators, 8 and 10wts..they're nice rods. and cheap and the warranty dept. is probably a lot faster than T&T.

Solid advice, hadn't thought about the beating I'll put on it fishing musky.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: RiverbumCO on April 08, 2014, 18:56:00 PM
Quote from: _Fish_Pimp on April 07, 2014, 23:07:34 PM
Quote from: Transylwader on April 07, 2014, 22:45:01 PM
Quote from: _Fish_Pimp on April 07, 2014, 22:14:18 PM
I fished the T&T horizon II 10wt for albacore, I liked it. not sure if I'd wanna stick it way down in the water to figure 8 for ski with...its too expensive and the blank is pretty thin walled, seems like it might be easily broken. I've fished a few predators, 8 and 10wts..they're nice rods. and cheap and the warranty dept. is probably a lot faster than T&T.
your avatar is awful, just awful. Fix dat shit bruh...

it is pretty bad, huh? kinda funny though


TheLonely Island feat T-Pain - I Fucked My Aunt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lwlw2T2ZYQ#)
this is for you grayson, ya'll are some messed up fellers

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Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: flatlander on April 08, 2014, 20:29:11 PM
I see a close out Xi2 on the web, but it's still pricey in my book.  How much is that T&T going for?  Can't say anything about the other rods suggested, but I've always found that Sage stands up to the abuse of fishing out of a boat better than a lot of the other brands.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Darthmonkey on April 09, 2014, 23:20:36 PM
I was in a similar situation as you wanting to fish for Tiger Musky, Pacific Albacore and Ling Cod out here in Washington. Maybe do a trip or two for tarpon, roosters or permit. I casted every rod under 5 bills: BVK, Lefty Kreh Sig, Mangrove, Motive, GVX etc. completely expecting to buy a 10 weight at the sub $500 price point. Then my good buddy who has fished just about every tropical destination on the planet put a Loomis NRX 10 weight in my hands. I ended up buying an NRX. It is THAT good. The next best thing? The Pro4x. A few more bucks than those Redington and TFO offerings, but in my book is just a much better rod that requires less effort to send out more line.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: sanjuanwormhatch on April 10, 2014, 06:25:24 AM
I'm not an expert but have casted a decent amount of rods.  For what sounds like a very one dimensional rod, count me in the camp that would not hesitate to buy a tfo, beulah, echo, or redington rod.  I'm not familiar with what the big rod companies are doing these days, but might want to check the their intro rods. 

However, to echo darthmonkey, I have a buddy who has a loomis (I think it's the NRX) and he raves about it.  He uses it for reds (and bones and perms to a lesser extent) when presentation is more of a consideration. 
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: RiverbumCO on April 10, 2014, 08:13:24 AM
The only Loomis ive ever fondled was a 6wt GLX.   That rod was incredible though.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: _Fish_Pimp on April 10, 2014, 22:09:33 PM
Wildmttrouts sage motive 9wt is a sweet casting rod..I'm sure the 10 is awesome too!

I heard the nrx is a cannon, but so are the sage methods and other 8 bill rods
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Michael Toris on April 10, 2014, 22:39:24 PM
Quote from: _Fish_Pimp on April 10, 2014, 22:09:33 PM
Wildmttrouts sage motive 9wt is a sweet casting rod..I'm sure the 10 is awesome too!

I heard the nrx is a cannon, but so are the sage methods and other 8 bill rods

The motive is a great rod; loads slightly deeper than the predator and has an overall smoother feel. However, when you are chucking chickens on a 400 grain sinker, smooth is not what you are looking for. You want powerful and fast (or at least I do). You can definitely max the motive out faster than the predator when tossing meats. I bought the motive as a space filler. I wanted a rod that would whose main job would be saltwater and stripers (still haven't done much of these yet tho) with a lil carping and musky mixed in.

Here, ask yourself a few things:

What is my main purpose of this 10 weight?

If you answered musky, go with the predator/mangrove.

If you answered permit and poon, go with loomis.

If you answered light salt and musky mixed in sparingly,  go with the motive.

If you answered, to look cool, go with the T&T.

The "musky guys" do not throw sage, loomis, or T&T for a reason. That reason is often toughness and return policy (cheap and fast). Any guy who has spent significant time chasing those damn things will tell you, rod breaks far outweigh fish landed.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: _Fish_Pimp on April 10, 2014, 23:08:21 PM
Quote from: wildmttrout on April 10, 2014, 22:39:24 PM
Quote from: _Fish_Pimp on April 10, 2014, 22:09:33 PM
Wildmttrouts sage motive 9wt is a sweet casting rod..I'm sure the 10 is awesome too!

I heard the nrx is a cannon, but so are the sage methods and other 8 bill rods

The motive is a great rod; loads slightly deeper than the predator and has an overall smoother feel. However, when you are chucking chickens on a 400 grain sinker, smooth is not what you are looking for. You want powerful and fast (or at least I do). You can definitely max the motive out faster than the predator when tossing meats. I bought the motive as a space filler. I wanted a rod that would whose main job would be saltwater and stripers (still haven't done much of these yet tho) with a lil carping and musky mixed in.

Here, ask yourself a few things:

What is my main purpose of this 10 weight?

If you answered musky, go with the predator/mangrove.

If you answered permit and poon, go with loomis.

If you answered light salt and musky mixed in sparingly,  go with the motive.

If you answered, to look cool, go with the T&T.

The "musky guys" do not throw sage, loomis, or T&T for a reason. That reason is often toughness and return policy (cheap and fast). Any guy who has spent significant time chasing those damn things will tell you, rod breaks far outweigh fish landed.

lawd, that explains everything
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Darthmonkey on April 10, 2014, 23:14:24 PM
So why wouldn't you fish a loomis for musky?
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: RiverbumCO on April 11, 2014, 05:03:54 AM
Because we live life on the edge...the edge of poverty.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Dougfish on April 11, 2014, 06:01:47 AM
Quote from: RiverbumCO on April 11, 2014, 05:03:54 AM
Because we live life on the edge...the edge of poverty.

I look at a lot of old 8-9-10 wt fiberglass. Now they're tough! And under $50. I'm serious.
Hang a big Medalist 1498 on the end and the whole setup is less than $100.  -+;
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Michael Toris on April 11, 2014, 06:21:37 AM
Quote from: RiverbumCO on April 11, 2014, 05:03:54 AM
Because we live life on the edge...the edge of poverty.

Yup.

I would love to fish a 10 wt loomis rod but I really cant justify it. It would be like those dudes who buy a zero turn mower for a half-acre lot.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Darthmonkey on April 24, 2014, 01:51:40 AM
Quote from: RiverbumCO on April 11, 2014, 05:03:54 AM
Because we live life on the edge...the edge of poverty.
I recommended the Pro4X.

http://www.gloomis.com/publish/content/gloomis_2010/us/en/fly/rods/salwater_rods/pro4x.html (http://www.gloomis.com/publish/content/gloomis_2010/us/en/fly/rods/salwater_rods/pro4x.html)

The point of my first post was don't cast the NRX. DO NOT CAST THE NRX unless you wanna lose 8 bills because the rod is that damn impressive. For any 10 weight rod in the sub-$500 category, my vote goes to the Loomis Pro4X. It is a great all around rod, the stress and impact testing is on par with the best that Tim and Steve Rajeff can throw at it. None of the other rods mentioned are little wusses that'll break if you toss it around the boat, set the hook like Kevin Van Dam, or use it in some sort of weird fetish role play you and your old lady do. What does matter is how it casts. Virtually all specialty lines made in a 10 weight are now a shooting head; tarpon, musky, what-the-fuck-ever. They're all 30-40 foot long heads tapered down to an ultra thin running line to bomb out 100 feet really fast. All the other rods are nice, it is just my opinion that the extra $100 bucks spent on the Pro4X makes a difference in every category.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Peddler on May 19, 2014, 02:52:33 AM
I went through the 10 weight dilemma a few years ago, luckily when Charlotte still had a great fly fishing show with all of the major gear manufacturers there. Me and a friend whose judgment I trust spent three days at the show testing every 10 weight we could lay our hands on. I narrowed it down to two rods and as we were leaving to go outside to burn one a shop stopped me and asks that I tried the 10 weight in his hands. I was really reluctant because the two I had picked out were names you would expect to be right up there at the top while this rod manufacturer had the reputation as a great mid-level rod builder. I screwed my reel onto it with the line I wanted to use and went behind the curtains where we had tons of room to stretch it out. Both my buddy and I were in agreement that this beast was the pick of the litter. The rod was a St. Croix Legend Elite and really, it rocks. It had the wide range, feel and power that I like. So far on sounding albies it hasn't shattered so I believe it's also durable and has the lifting power you need for those salty creatures. They now have an 'X' model Legend that looks interesting... especially the grip. I think what separated the Legend Elite was that razzle-dazzle curve technology but most importantly the graphite scrim which up till then was only used on the old classic Loomis GLX rods. It took a couple of decades until Sage′ started doing that but only on their upper end rods.  Here's more: http://www.stcroixrods.com/products/fly-fishing/legend-elite/] [url]http://www.stcroixrods.com/products/fly-fishing/legend-elite/ (http://[url)[/url]

I fished a Sage′ RPLXi in a 10 in New England for stripers for a few times and liked it but kept waiting for the RPLXiVIIxT2 series to come out in hopes it would talk to me. I'm tired of waiting.
I also have time on TFO TiCrX and find it to be a brutal bitch that just isn't fun. This weekend at the SE iFFF festival at WCU I spent a lot of time on the casting fields horsing around, watching Steve Rajeff go over the ACA course layout, helping a few people with their casts and learning a bit more about two-handed casting. Kent was there from TFO and when I bumped into him and asked 'What's new' he dragged out the Mangrove. I have a BVK in the heavier line size but might have to dump it in favor of the Mangrove.
Kent described that rod pretty much as a point and shoot rod for times that you have no time to wave it around false casting to get out 50-60'. From having the fly in your hand to presenting it at 60+' takes one or two back casts and a well-timed haul. It feels good up close too which is one of the prerequisites I need out of a rod. The reel seat has neat hook keepers machined into the sides and it has burl rings on the grip that show the line size rating. For fewer than three bills it sure seems worth it to this kid.
Happy hunting.
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: RiverbumCO on May 19, 2014, 09:47:17 AM
x2 on Mangrove

x2 on anything Loomis GLX associated
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Stone-Man on May 19, 2014, 16:24:16 PM
I have a Cabelas 10 wgt  FT (fast taper) that I landed a 28 lb Chinook on.  Damn fine rod , but it is not specifically for salt or fresh. Just Big ass fish. I also have a 10 wgt reel with line and backing on it.

The St Croix is a helluva rod also

PM me if ya wanna look at it,etc,etc

Stone-Man
Title: Re: Wanted 10 wt. saltwater rod
Post by: Aka on May 19, 2014, 18:23:12 PM
Thanks for the advice. The r&r is long gone and not in my attic awaiting the salt of the rich coast. I'm still trying to figure out what I want to go with. I feel a lot like a young college aged version of me, returning to campus while the sun is still warm and presented with so many choices I can't focus, muddy knows the feeling I'm sure.
I need to get somewhere that I can try out a few rods but short of horvis I don't think there are any shops up here with a selection to try out.