Pretentious Snobby Bastard Fly Fishing!

Fly Fishing BS => The Gravel Bar => Topic started by: Woolly Bugger on March 07, 2022, 18:41:56 PM

Poll
Question: How high will they go?
Option 1: $3.99 votes: 0
Option 2: $4.09 votes: 0
Option 3: $4.19 votes: 0
Option 4: $4.29 votes: 0
Option 5: $4.49 votes: 1
Option 6: $4.69 votes: 1
Option 7: $4.99 votes: 1
Option 8: $5.49 votes: 3
Option 9: $5.99 votes: 1
Option 10: $6.99 votes: 3
Option 11: One time at band camp I got high votes: 3
Title: Gas Prices
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 07, 2022, 18:41:56 PM
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Most stations in WS are $3.99 but speedway has jumped up to $4.19

I filled up in Bassett last evening for $3.79, probably the last we will see of that price for quite sometime ..

Another area of concerns is wheat futures which has maxed out price increases six days in a row on the commodities market.

Russia and the Ukraine account for 25% of the wheat production world wide 

Not to mention nickel, Palladium, titanium and other metals
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on March 07, 2022, 18:57:55 PM
It's time for the refineries to start producing more expensive summer blends. $7+ gas price by summertime. Glad I bought a little XMO, OXY, HAL, BP, BSM, and XLE during the China plague.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Onslow on March 07, 2022, 21:18:04 PM
Well damn, we might learn to be a wee bit more thrifty.  How tragic. 

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dougfish on March 07, 2022, 21:24:13 PM
We might bitch. But we go where we go.
Freedom Convoy burned some serious $$$$$ for their WTF cause...........?
I spent $10.00 to go fishing today.
No fucks to give.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on March 07, 2022, 21:51:47 PM
If we'll all just not drive for 2 weeks we can flatten the curve :cheers
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Al on March 08, 2022, 07:14:27 AM
I've got a farmer friend who told me he is paying almost 5 dollars a gallon for diesel. (Just about everything he uses on the farm is diesel). He also said the price of lime and fertilizer went from $100 a ton to almost $800 a ton. Guess who ends up paying him back for those price increases.

LETS GO BRANDON!!!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 08, 2022, 09:30:28 AM
FILL UP TODAY!!!

QuoteWASHINGTON – President Joe Biden will announce a ban on the U.S. import of Russian energy in the latest effort to ratchet up sanctions over Russias invasion of Ukraine, a source familiar with the announcement told USA TODAY.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 08, 2022, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: trout-r-us on March 08, 2022, 09:15:43 AMIt's all a matter of perspective.
Some years back when we worked, my brother (oil company executive) and I (brewing industry grunt) were discussing one of these jumps in oil prices. Displaying my ignorance, I was rambling on suggesting price setting, price gouging, cartels, and other such price manipulations by the oil industry.
I recall as clearly as though it was yesterday how brother Bill in his calm professional manner said "that takes a lot of balls coming from a guy that works for a company selling flavored water for twice the price of gasoline". 🤔
Since that date I compare gas prices with prices of other goods and services and recognize gas as a relative bargain.


1 Gallon of Gas = 500 hours of human work output --- With gas @ 5..00 a gallon / 500 hrs = 1 cent per man hour....
If you don't think this is true, then try pushing a vehicle up a hill....
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 08, 2022, 10:07:12 AM
Quote from: Al on March 08, 2022, 07:14:27 AMLETS GO BRANDON!!!


Al, I am stunned and disappointed. 

Not that you likely give a damn, but the respect I had for you has dwindled.

Your military service to our country will continue to demand recognition and my appreciation, but military veteran status does not make anyone immune from being a certifiable wingnut and dipstick as a private citizen. 

So, to me, you are now just another ignorant, misguided, doltish being in the civilian world.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dougfish on March 08, 2022, 10:27:09 AM
As usual, the blame game turns political. It's really just greed and gluttony.
They count on us being puppies whose eyes haven't opened but are full of emotion.

From a few months ago. Still applies today.

"Exclusive: oil companies' profits soared to $174bn this year as US gas prices rose
Exxon, Chevron, Shell and BP among group of 24 who resisted calls to increase production but doled out shareholder dividends"

"The oil and gas industry has fought Joe Biden's attempts to pause new drilling permits on federal land, despite its unwillingness to expand operations in order to reap the returns of costlier oil and the fact the industry currently sits on 14m acres of already leased land that isn't being used, an area about double the size of Massachusetts."

"The analysis of major oil companies' financials shows that 11 of the group gave payouts to shareholders worth more than $36.5bn collectively this year, while a dozen bought back $8bn-worth of stock. This apparent focus, rather than on further drilling, has caused some frustration within the federal government"

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/06/oil-companies-profits-exxon-chevron-shell-exclusive (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/06/oil-companies-profits-exxon-chevron-shell-exclusive)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dougfish on March 08, 2022, 10:56:30 AM
Also.
Our gas prices are cheaper than almost any country in the world. Why:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fossil-fuel-subsidies-pentagon-spending-imf-report-833035/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fossil-fuel-subsidies-pentagon-spending-imf-report-833035/)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Phil on March 08, 2022, 11:23:00 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on March 08, 2022, 10:27:09 AMAs usual, the blame game turns political. It's really just greed and gluttony.
They count on us being puppies whose eyes haven't opened but are full of emotion.

From a few months ago. Still applies today.

"Exclusive: oil companies' profits soared to $174bn this year as US gas prices rose
Exxon, Chevron, Shell and BP among group of 24 who resisted calls to increase production but doled out shareholder dividends"

"The oil and gas industry has fought Joe Biden's attempts to pause new drilling permits on federal land, despite its unwillingness to expand operations in order to reap the returns of costlier oil and the fact the industry currently sits on 14m acres of already leased land that isn't being used, an area about double the size of Massachusetts."

"The analysis of major oil companies' financials shows that 11 of the group gave payouts to shareholders worth more than $36.5bn collectively this year, while a dozen bought back $8bn-worth of stock. This apparent focus, rather than on further drilling, has caused some frustration within the federal government"

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/06/oil-companies-profits-exxon-chevron-shell-exclusive (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/06/oil-companies-profits-exxon-chevron-shell-exclusive)

That's pretty much exactly what I was going to add here. Doug beat me to it. The U.S. oil companies are making record profits -- of course. "We the people" are the ones who get to bend over.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Al on March 08, 2022, 12:02:12 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 08, 2022, 10:07:12 AM
Quote from: Al on March 08, 2022, 07:14:27 AMLETS GO BRANDON!!!
So, to me, you are now just another ignorant, misguided, doltish being in the civilian world.

I am honored to wear that title - one of the great things about our country is we are allowed to disagree

BTW - go back and see what you and others were saying about our previous President. LETS GO BRANDON!!! is pretty tame in comparison.

LETS GO BRANDON!!!



Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Onslow on March 08, 2022, 16:41:34 PM
Solar/battery powered homes and cars appear to be completely feasible.  24 panels and a freezer sized battery (30k).... Boom!

What cyber attack? A fragmented power supply ftw

Fuck Putin
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: troutboy_II on March 08, 2022, 16:42:31 PM
Who's Brandon?

 :-X  :-X

TB
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on March 08, 2022, 18:08:30 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on March 07, 2022, 21:24:13 PMWe might bitch. But we go where we go.
Freedom Convoy burned some serious $$$$$ for their WTF cause...........?
I spent $10.00 to go fishing today.
No fucks to give.
It's not just gas prices or the little trips to the river we have to worry about. Our economy is based on cheap energy prices. If the price of energy goes up everything goes up. It cost more to manufacture things and get them to market. Yes oil companies have been making record revenues, but that doesn't always translate to record profits. You don't think their cost of getting the oil out of the ground and to market in 2022 hasn't increased? The oil business is profitable, what's new? Lot's of people have made fortunes in the oil business for a 100+ years. In 2020 the average barrel of oil sold for 37.22 a barrel with a low of 16.74 https://www.thebalance.com/oil-price-history-3306200 (https://www.thebalance.com/oil-price-history-3306200). They lost huge sums of money and cut dividends to almost nothing or in some cases all but halted them by paying token dividends like 1 cent per share. Lots of people lost good paying jobs. Ships were sitting off shore for months waiting to unload because there was nowhere to store the oil. The cost of oil went negative breifly in 2020. The reason in many cases there are a huge numbers of oil leases and tracts of land under lease not being drilled is because of the recently low cost of oil and the quality of the oil. It simply wasn't ecnomically feasible to extract oil from some of these remote locations and turn a profit. Plus not all oil is in the form of Brent crude. It's low quality like the tar sands oil fields of Canada and cost more to refine it. Plus think about this, what other type of industry would work to produce more product to lower their profit margin? Want to produce more oil? Open up federal lands to new leases and lower the red tape in getting these leases approved. Let the oil companies build more pipelines, it's the cheapest and most efficent way to move it. We also need to build some new refineries. I'm glad I bought energy stocks during the pandemic. Oil is not going away in our life times.

Al-  The idea that they complain about the treatment of Biden after way the last president was treated and continues to be treated seems to be hypocritical to me. I don't blame Biden for the state America is in. He's not making policy or actually running the country. he's just reading the teleprompter and waiting for the next set of instructions  Plenty of blame on both sides for the condition we find ourselvs in.  We haven't had a decent president since Ike. :bow
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on March 08, 2022, 18:53:00 PM
Quote from: troutboy_II on March 08, 2022, 16:42:31 PMWho's Brandon?

 :-X  :-X

TB

Come on man! He's "your" president :cheers
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on March 08, 2022, 19:25:36 PM
Quote from: trout-r-us on March 08, 2022, 19:04:59 PM..........."The president said he would have the Federal Trade Commission investigate possible market manipulation or price gouging in the energy sector. So what would that look like?

WEBER: President Biden has called out that the prices for unfinished gasoline were down by 5%, where the prices at the gas station went up by 3%. So in other words, companies that are selling gas at the gas station are increasing prices by more, or, in this case, are not handing down the price decrease that they had enjoyed in November.".....

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/13/1080494838/economist-explains-record-corporate-profits-despite-rising-inflation

I find it quite interesting how all of a sudden corporate profits are being called into question. Did these companies not make a profit before? Is making a profit bad? Is making a profit and returning share holders equity in the form of higher dividends not the goal? There will never be a real investigation or anything done about it. Same ol blame game, blame the last guy, blame anyone but me it never ends. I know my own life changed for the better when I stopped blaming everyone else for my own problems. I also stopped blaming and hating people with money and tired to figure out ways to get me some of it. I'd like to see how some of you would act if you owned or were employed by these evil corporations. I bet some of you own shares in your 401's or IRA's, or they are owned by your pension funds.  I would be willing to bet bank it would be a differnet tune.
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Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Onslow on March 09, 2022, 07:34:21 AM
Quote from: trout-r-us on March 09, 2022, 06:55:30 AMOh my, another ten cent millionaire preaching American economics, but the sermon feels incomplete without some mention of the wonders of supply side theory.
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Yes, there is room for improvement in America concerning social justice, but it is the consumer who CHOOSES to purchase that cheap chicken that handled by overworked, under payed workers. It is the consumer who chooses to buy a car that burns fossil fuels.  It is NOT the responsibility of the government to tell one to drive a horse and buggy, and be Amish, or to dictate which pronouns to use to address trannies, or ban the word gay.

One cannot be a bargain warrior, then bitch about social justice. You can't have it both ways.  For every choice made, there is a consequence, unless one is special, entitled, above the law, and perfect in the eyes of god.

Is any better in India, Venezuela, Laos?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on March 09, 2022, 11:48:50 AM
Quote from: trout-r-us on March 09, 2022, 06:55:30 AMOh my, another ten cent millionaire preaching American economics, but the sermon feels incomplete without some mention of the wonders of supply side theory.
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10 cent millionaire? That's a good one :cheers I guess I've lived long enough now to start seeing a pattern. I'm a long way from preaching, just some observations. BTW-I like memes. :wave
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Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on March 09, 2022, 17:26:01 PM
Price per barrel fell sharply today. Maybe we'll get a break at the pump. -p-
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: streamereater_101691 on March 09, 2022, 17:45:39 PM
Quote from: trout-r-us on March 08, 2022, 19:17:53 PMSheetz is the only place in our town that offers higher ethanol % options. I can't use the flex fuel but have started using the E15. Gonna check it out and compare mpg. Scanning your free Sheetz card gives a three cent discount off of shown prices.
 I normally fill up at Murphy USA over at Walmart as they normally have lowest prices for regular.

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Bob, you do understand that if your car isn't a ~2012 or newer, you're completely fucking up your fuel system. The tag on the pumps says 2004, but GM didn't start using ethanol resistant fuel lines after the fuel pump until 2012 on all their models. Most other companies are in that year timeframe as well. Yes, from 2004-2012, cars had ethanol resistant lines inside the gas tank, but NOT on the spray rails. Ask me how I know. 1 fuel pump, 1 set of injectors, and spray rail kit.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dougfish on March 09, 2022, 19:24:01 PM
That corn will get after ya.  n!n
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Platypus on March 09, 2022, 20:07:22 PM
Quote from: Onslow on March 08, 2022, 16:41:34 PMSolar/battery powered homes and cars appear to be completely feasible.  24 panels and a freezer sized battery (30k).... Boom!

What cyber attack? A fragmented power supply ftw

Fuck Putin


I agree with the Fuck Putin sentiments.  Usually I'd say fuck any people fucking sociopath so fuck Putin, Trump, that donkey faced mother fucker McConnell and the biggest closeted candy stuffer in the senate Lindsey Graham. (Self edited for poor taste upon reflection) But i digress. 

Careful what you wish for on the E-vehicle front. That power has to come from somewhere. If your solar panel can't charge it your grid is gonna have to.  I've "read" there ain't enough grid capacity to charge all the electric cars musk, Mercedes' , Audi , yota, and who ever else is peddling these things. That being said in the short term we are gonna buy E car for the misses to compensate for my 11 MPG lifted v8 land cruiser. 

Suck it I'm going fishing.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 24, 2022, 12:30:18 PM
just about $4.09 everywhere in Winston
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trout-r-us on April 26, 2022, 17:16:07 PM
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Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on May 10, 2022, 23:11:55 PM
New all time record today. I guess releasing all that oil from the strategic petroleum reserve wasn't all that helpful p;- Glad I don't live in CA or drive a diesel vehicle. I still think it's going much higher. Electric vehicles don't make sense as long as gas is cheap.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/10/national-average-for-gasoline-hits-record-4point37-a-gallon.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/10/national-average-for-gasoline-hits-record-4point37-a-gallon.html)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 11, 2022, 07:12:52 AM
My next vehicle is probably going to be a RAV4 Prime (plug-in) hybrid version.

Main reasons for not staying with honda are height of rear hatch when open — I hit my head on a crv all the time and the crv hybrid has no tow capacity while the rav4 is rated at 1400 lbs
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Dee-Vo on May 11, 2022, 07:25:02 AM
I try not to whine/bitch. Does zero good. I literally ignore things that get under my skin, if possible anyway. I don't enjoy hearing it from others, and for this reason, I assume they don't enjoy hearing from me.

Regarding gas pricing - the truck I currently have averages around 12 mpg. I've thought about trading since I don't use it for cattle often enough nowadays. Will see.

My last few fill ups look like this -- $119 $123 $125 $131 $131

And this is a gas truck, not diesel.

I've never let uncontrollable things such as this get to me and I don't plan on starting now. To hell with the gas prices, let them shoot through the fuckin' moon for all I give a damn.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: hcrum87hc on May 11, 2022, 07:45:22 AM
Jumped $0.20 here on Monday from $3.89 to $4.09, and then jumped another $0.20 from Monday night to Tuesday morning and a couple places I saw.   
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 11, 2022, 08:16:41 AM
Quote from: Dee-Vo on May 11, 2022, 07:25:02 AMI try not to whine/bitch. Does zero good. I literally ignore things that get under my skin, if possible anyway. I don't enjoy hearing it from others, and for this reason, I assume they don't enjoy hearing from me.

Regarding gas pricing - the truck I currently have averages around 12 mpg. I've thought about trading since I don't use it for cattle often enough nowadays. Will see.

My last few fill ups look like this -- $119 $123 $125 $131 $131

And this is a gas truck, not diesel.

I've never let uncontrollable things such as this get to me and I don't plan on starting now. To hell with the gas prices, let them shoot through the fuckin' moon for all I give a damn.

Back in the 70s we took a road trip to see the Mouse and I'll always remember the price of gas; 29.9! Yes, Thirty cents a gallon!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on May 11, 2022, 08:46:08 AM
I drove from NC to CA on about $40 worth of gas. I could fill my car up on $5.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Onslow on May 12, 2022, 06:44:18 AM
I've downsized. My  Promaster City cargo is performing better than advertised concerning fuel consumption.  33 on the highway, and 30 combined.  These are manually calculated numbers, not dashboard readouts.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Onslow on May 12, 2022, 06:56:12 AM
If I had the money, I'd buy my wife a Fisker Ocean. My wife only drives about 2000 miles a year, and the solar panels atop of the car provide enough power to do this without plugging it in.  I'm not a fan of plug in cars, but solar powered vehicles and hybrids make sense to me.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on May 12, 2022, 12:04:06 PM
New high again today gas $4.41 diesel $5.57. Come on man! Enough! Then to top it off I see they just canceled some new oil leases in AK and the Gulf of Mexico b';  I did find out where all the baby formula is though.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/12/border-detention-center-has-baby-formula-amid-shortage-photos/ (https://nypost.com/2022/05/12/border-detention-center-has-baby-formula-amid-shortage-photos/)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 15, 2022, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: Onslow on May 12, 2022, 06:56:12 AMFisker Ocean


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Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on May 15, 2022, 16:45:50 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on May 15, 2022, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: Onslow on May 12, 2022, 06:56:12 AMFisker Ocean


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New all time high again today. That thing looks like a good way to get killed around my area code, I have been looking at some E bikes for off road use though.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Onslow on May 15, 2022, 20:30:26 PM
https://youtu.be/vVz4iGqYJxI
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on June 12, 2022, 00:08:28 AM
Why don't we have some hearings about this?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-gas-prices-average-hits-5-111621814.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-gas-prices-average-hits-5-111621814.html)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on July 05, 2022, 11:51:44 AM
Just when it looks like we may be getting some relief I read this story. I can not imagine a scenario where not one drop of oil from the SPR should be exported. Let alone millions of barrels.https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-u-reserves-head-overseas-110438345.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-u-reserves-head-overseas-110438345.html)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trout-r-us on July 09, 2022, 19:01:25 PM
They got us where they want us when people are acting like this is a good price. 🤣

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Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on July 27, 2022, 17:27:29 PM
Biden taps the Strategic Petrolem Reserve for the fifth time. I'm not sure where the oil is going, but it appers at least some of it may be headed overseas again.  https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/07/27/biden-regime-taps-strategic-petroleum-reserve-again-in-bid-to-lower-gas-prices-as-midterms-loom-1266435/ (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/07/27/biden-regime-taps-strategic-petroleum-reserve-again-in-bid-to-lower-gas-prices-as-midterms-loom-1266435/)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Woolly Bugger on July 27, 2022, 18:19:13 PM
$3.77 in VA today...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Trout Maharishi on July 27, 2022, 18:47:44 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on July 27, 2022, 18:19:13 PM$3.77 in VA today...

WHAT A DEAL! <-;:
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 14, 2022, 15:01:17 PM
Just below 3 bucks here
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Phil on December 14, 2022, 15:53:15 PM
Here's a pisser -- got my heating oil tank filled yesterday. The furnace takes a fuel oil and kerosene mix. Fuel oil -- $4.99/gal, kerosene -- $6.50/gallon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: greg on December 14, 2022, 17:15:35 PM
Heat and air guy I know laughs and says fuel oil is a rich man's heat. It's crazy what it cost now.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Onslow on December 14, 2022, 18:00:50 PM
It bites owning a home with a service panel not adequate to run a heat pump. I wanted to upgrade mine in 2008 when the house was in remodel, but the local building official made up some crap about needing to bring the wiring to code in my 120 year old house before before being allowed to upgrade my service. I learned this past Spring a year after installing a new gas furnace, there is no where in the building code that requires a person to bring wiring up to code in an existing dwelling before upgrading service.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: troutboy_II on December 14, 2022, 18:27:02 PM
Quote from: Onslow on December 14, 2022, 18:00:50 PMIt bites owning a home with a service panel not adequate to run a heat pump. I wanted to upgrade mine in 2008 when the house was in remodel, but the local building official made up some crap about needing to bring the wiring to code in my 120 year old house before before being allowed to upgrade my service. I learned this past Spring a year after installing a new gas furnace, there is no where in the building code that requires a person to bring wiring up to code in an existing dwelling before upgrading service.


Perhaps he just didn't want your house to burn down?

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Onslow on December 14, 2022, 18:50:13 PM
Quote from: troutboy_II on December 14, 2022, 18:27:02 PM
Quote from: Onslow on December 14, 2022, 18:00:50 PMIt bites owning a home with a service panel not adequate to run a heat pump. I wanted to upgrade mine in 2008 when the house was in remodel, but the local building official made up some crap about needing to bring the wiring to code in my 120 year old house before before being allowed to upgrade my service. I learned this past Spring a year after installing a new gas furnace, there is no where in the building code that requires a person to bring wiring up to code in an existing dwelling before upgrading service.


Perhaps he just didn't want your house to burn down?



The wiring is fine, and there is no knob and tube wiring being used. Not enough outlets.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trout-r-us on March 24, 2023, 17:23:48 PM
Inverted octane curve.  :o

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Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trout-r-us on October 24, 2023, 18:23:36 PM
Gas prices dropping.
10 yr treasuries @ 5%
No call  2 yr CDs @ 5.5%

LIFE IS GOOD

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Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: driver on October 25, 2023, 06:17:18 AM
Got gas in Morganton Sunday, $3.05
Filled up the work vehicle Monday morning in Durham, $3.50
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: greg on October 25, 2023, 10:03:21 AM
Spartanburg 3.05. Got in Georgia over weekend for about 2.85
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: streamereater_101691 on October 25, 2023, 18:17:13 PM
Quote from: trout-r-us on October 24, 2023, 18:23:36 PMLIFE IS GOOD


Must not be watching the news across the pond
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trout-r-us on December 08, 2023, 08:17:21 AM
Ran across this Thanksgiving Weekend. 😳

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Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: troutboy_II on December 08, 2023, 13:10:13 PM
Ok, I am curious - why buy 88 octane vs 87 octane?

:-\ 

TB
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: rbphoto on December 08, 2023, 14:10:47 PM
Non-ethanol?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 08, 2023, 20:28:52 PM
Quote from: troutboy_II on December 08, 2023, 13:10:13 PMOk, I am curious - why buy 88 octane vs 87 octane?

:-\ 

TB
Quote from: rbphoto on December 08, 2023, 14:10:47 PMNon-ethanol?

WHEN TO USE UNLEADED 88

This leaves us with Unleaded 88, also known as E15. Unleaded 88 is a bit newer, coming out in 2009 after the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) approved the ethanol industry to make a blend that included 15% ethanol, thus creating E15.

There are a lot of gas stations in our area that carry the fuel. But what is it and is it safe for YOUR vehicle?

Unleaded 88 is a blend of 15% ethanol and 85% gasoline that burns cleaner and has higher octane that's better for your engine, environment, and wallet. According to the U.S. Department of Energy, this fuel is approved for cars 2001 and newer. It is highly recommended to check your vehicle's warranty to confirm your vehicle's make and model can use this fuel.

So why not cars before 2000? Well, the EPA said those older vehicles have a number of variables. Some vehicle models lack the computer controls in today's vehicles to adjust for fuel variations, which is why the EPA didn't approve it.

This is the technical meaning behind it. However, many, are still skeptical about putting this fuel in their cars. Why take the chance of damaging the engine or lowering your average mile per gallon when you know unleaded 87 works for you?

Unleaded 88 has just 5% more ethanol than E10, which was approved in 2009. Thus far, there have been more than 6 million miles of testing by the U.S. Department of Energy and no problems have been found.

Auto manufacturers have also been approving the use of Unleaded 88. Things change from manufacture to manufacture though. For example, General Motors recommends using Unleaded 88 on vehicle models from 2012 and newer, while Ford recommends it for 2013 and newer.

Unleaded 88 has also been approved by Volkswagen, Audi, Toyota, Land Rover, Porsche, Jaguar, Honda, Subaru and certain Mercedes-Benz and Lexus models.

If you are thinking of taking advantage of any gasoline sale during Thanksgiving or any upcoming holiday sale, the best thing to do is check your owner's manual or contact your car manufacturer.

For more information about all the different gasoline types, you can visit the Department of Energy's Website.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: FlyChamps on December 08, 2023, 22:32:52 PM

Don't forget that alcohol has 30% less energy and, therefore, gets 30% less gas mileage than pure gasoline. E88 gets 4.5% less mileage than pure gas and 1.5% less mileage than gas with 10% alcohol. It simply comes down to the comparative cost to determine which is actually better.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trout-r-us on December 09, 2023, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: troutboy_II on December 08, 2023, 13:10:13 PMOk, I am curious - why buy 88 octane vs 87 octane?

:-\ 

TB

For Me:
*More cost efficient.
*More friendly to the environment.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trout-r-us on December 09, 2023, 14:26:46 PM
And then there is Flex Fuel (E85):
I considered using it in my truck until I did some research.

Plus side:
51-83% ethanol.
 ~27% cheaper.
Octane rating considerably higher than regular, produces 20-30% more horsepower.
Considerably more environmentally friendly, e.g. 40% fewer emissions.

Down Side:
20-30% fewer MPG
Not recommended to mix it with regular too often, as that messes with the adaptive fuel mixture system of the vehicle.  This is not convenient as Flex Fuel does not seem to me to be readily available as to make it convenient, which could result in maintenance issues.

Therefore I use the E15 in my truck as well as the car. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trout-r-us on December 09, 2023, 14:34:34 PM
Some people ask how do you know what you can use. There are numerous sources of information. Both of my vehicles are marked at the fuel fill area.
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Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Onslow on December 09, 2023, 15:10:07 PM
I strongly oppose the use of ethanol.  Soil should not be exploited for auto fuel being soil is easily depleted. To complicate matter, Belarus and Russia supplied 40 percent of the world's potash, a critical element in fertilizer.  Fertilizer is a short term solution for slowing the depletion of soil, and it like many items, has become very expensive.

I'm not up to speed on how much byproduct is being fed to cattle, but...
https://grist.org/article/meat-wagon-cow-feed-misdeeds/