I've introduced a buddy to fly fishing and he asked about stocking. This mainly pertains to WNC but I guess it's open to all states in the area. Why is it that Fish and Wildlife stock rainbows and browns instead of just brook trout? I found the link below but it doesn't give a comprehensive answer.
If the wild brookies get pushed into the higher areas, how is it beneficial to continually stock non-native fish? Does it have to do w/ keeping the false balance we created? Quality of fishing, such as bringing in dollars since people like the fight associated w/ a rainbow shooting up in the air? I don't know any wildlife biologists around here to ask so figured I'd post in the forums.
http://www.ncwildlife.org/Fishing/HatcheriesStocking/How_does_WRC_makes_decisions_about_stocking.aspx (http://www.ncwildlife.org/Fishing/HatcheriesStocking/How_does_WRC_makes_decisions_about_stocking.aspx)
Stocker brookies are'nt native brookies... jis sayin........... carry on :;!
"Stocker brookies are'nt native brookies... jis sayin........... carry on"
Understand that part. Anyone know where the stocked brook trout lines are from (either geographically or genetically)? How would native brook trout from this region fare in a hatchery setting compared to the strains that are currently used (ie less hardy, slower growth rates, lowered fitness, etc)? Fitness in this case refers to sexual reproduction rates.
probably about the same fitness you have when humpin' that bear skin rug...
The state stocks brookies and actually stocked more brookies than browns this year. Hatchery brookies are northern strain which from my understanding have a faster growth rate
(http://www.biotechniques.com/multimedia/archive/00164/2011-07-27_1307_164017b.jpg)
Rainbows started the cold water stocking in the U.S. it was easy to rear in hatcheries, took well to rivers all across the country, was 'fun' to catch. Introduced in many streams to restock dwindling native fisheries, Fish & Game, along with the fishing population, became addicted to them.
QuoteAnders Halverson provides an exhaustively researched and grippingly rendered account of the rainbow trout and why it has become the most commonly stocked and controversial freshwater fish in the United States. Discovered in the remote waters of northern California, rainbow trout have been artificially propagated and distributed for more than 130 years by government officials eager to present Americans with an opportunity to get back to nature by going fishing. Proudly dubbed "an entirely synthetic fish" by fisheries managers, the rainbow trout has been introduced into every state and province in the United States and Canada and to every continent except Antarctica, often with devastating effects on the native fauna. Halverson examines the paradoxes and reveals a range of characters, from nineteenth-century boosters who believed rainbows could be the saviors of democracy to twenty-first-century biologists who now seek to eradicate them from waters around the globe. Ultimately, the story of the rainbow trout is the story of our relationship with the natural world—how it has changed and how it startlingly has not.
read more @ mid currents : http://midcurrent.com/books/review-an-entirely-synthetic-fish/ (http://midcurrent.com/books/review-an-entirely-synthetic-fish/)
probably woulda contributed if there were some tits or big booty judies, but since there aint ...
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Quote from: phlyfisher on March 15, 2012, 07:41:45 AM
probably woulda contributed if there were some tits or big booty judies, but since there aint ...
my bad
http://www.marvelousmanboobs.com/ (http://www.marvelousmanboobs.com/)
wooly,
thanks for the link. i'll have to order that book later today. it's interesting that many of us seem to get the most pumped when wild brook trout are on the end of the line. yet you don't typically hear a loud call to only stock native fish species. i guess it's like drinking cheap bourbon. i've done it but it's not ideal. if the good stuff isn't around then sure, i'll slum it from time to time.
actually read "the founding fish" by john mcphee not too long ago. i really didn't know anything about shad prior to that but it was a pretty good read.
perchjerker,
we all have to do our part to combat global warming. if i can crossbreed and keep the bears away from extinction then i'll take one for the team.
I don't think at least in NC they will stock reproducing southern strain brookies unless they are doing a full blown restoration and ensure there can be no encroachment from other species downstream.
I've heard of someone advising the NCWRC that a brookie stream in this area was being further encroached upon from rainbows at the bottom moving up and the response from the NCWRC was that they basically didn't care to intervene because the brookies on this particular stream were northern strain non-natives.
From a sporting perspective I would agree with Woolly's post about the hardiness and relative quick growth potential of the rainbows and also probably browns. When you are doing put and take, you just want something for all the bait chunkers to catch for meat so they go with the tried and true they've always went with before.
Quote from: bandit350 on March 15, 2012, 07:59:49 AM
Quote from: phlyfisher on March 15, 2012, 07:41:45 AM
probably woulda contributed if there were some tits or big booty judies, but since there aint ...
my bad
http://www.marvelousmanboobs.com/ (http://www.marvelousmanboobs.com/)
aww shiat, shouldnt have asked a queer for his favorite nudie pics :-\ that your hubby bru? 'c;
p;- on stockards
Mclovin is asking for images of mammae and huge round buttocks. Listen Mclovin, surely there are better sources for your masturbatory material than BRFFF!
Bandit took a shot, flipped a coin maybe, at deducing your sexual lean. He obviously concluded man boobs were your thing. I might have come to the same conclusion, because I am having a difficult time fathoming your Russian gal tales.
Those planted fish taste fine after a few weeks removed from the hatchery. No worries.
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on March 15, 2012, 09:48:21 AM
Mclovin is asking for images of mammae and huge round buttocks. Listen Mclovin, surely there are better sources for your masturbatory material than BRFFF!
Bandit took a shot, flipped a coin maybe, at deducing your sexual lean. He obviously concluded man boobs were your thing. I might have come to the same conclusion, because I am having a difficult time fathoming your Russian gal tales.
Those planted fish taste fine after a few weeks removed from the hatchery. No worries.
college proxy's are a biatch. where else am i supposed to fill ye ole spank bank? :;!
and if all he did was flip a coin then wouldnt that mean the evidence of me liking " man boobs" could just as easily be disregarded?
furthermore those russian ladies are very nice people, shame on you for making fun of them, they have it hard enough in that shit hole of a country. im just glad i could brighten their day. and at the age of 15 i would have taken anything i could get, homely or not, thank you very much -+;. the point of that picture post was to shed some light on the fact russian gals are not as extravagant as some may think. the beautiful Russian women add is false advertising...jis sayin
Quote from: phlyfisher on March 15, 2012, 13:01:54 PM
the point of that picture post was to shed some light on the fact russian gals are not as extravagant as some may think... jis completely bullshitin'
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Note to self: Don't ever drink out of the same glass as McLovin........shiiiiit, and don't use the same toilet right after him, either, just to be on the safe side.
Quote from: AK Aaron on March 15, 2012, 13:17:25 PM
Quote from: phlyfisher on March 15, 2012, 13:01:54 PM
the point of that picture post was to shed some light on the fact russian gals are not as extravagant as some may think... jis completely bullshitin'
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and what evidence do you have to support this claim?
dude i have given up listening to you, i know you kinda hate me, don't know why but o well....
Quote from: phlyfisher on March 15, 2012, 13:22:05 PM
Quote from: AK Aaron on March 15, 2012, 13:17:25 PM
Quote from: phlyfisher on March 15, 2012, 13:01:54 PM
the point of that picture post was to shed some light on the fact russian gals are not as extravagant as some may think... jis completely bullshitin'
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and what evidence do you have to support this claim?
dude i have given up listening to you, i know you kinda hate me, don't know why but o well....
I don't know you... I don't hate anyone (there are plenty I don't care to be around).
Proof, well go back and read what you posted w/ the pic. You were not exactly writing about how great their personalities were now were you?
Again, I don't hate you I was just giving you some shit, which it seems you may not be able to take.......
BTW, where were your hands when you were posed with those charming young lassies?
Quote from: AK Aaron on March 15, 2012, 13:31:24 PM
Quote from: phlyfisher on March 15, 2012, 13:22:05 PM
Quote from: AK Aaron on March 15, 2012, 13:17:25 PM
Quote from: phlyfisher on March 15, 2012, 13:01:54 PM
the point of that picture post was to shed some light on the fact russian gals are not as extravagant as some may think... jis completely bullshitin'
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and what evidence do you have to support this claim?
dude i have given up listening to you, i know you kinda hate me, don't know why but o well....
I don't know you... I don't hate anyone (there are plenty I don't care to be around).
Proof, well go back and read what you posted w/ the pic. You were not exactly writing about how great their personalities were now were you?
Again, I don't hate you I was just giving you some shit, which it seems you may not be able to take.......
BTW, where were your hands when you were posed with those charming young lassies?
i wasnt aiming the hate bit at you AK, i meant "the dude"
i can take plenty of shit, I AM MCLOVIN, cmon now yall how many times i gotto say that. each time i do a shred of dignity is lost
and they were down my pants :;!
I'll bet the Dude doesn't hate you, Mclovin. He's a Hokie, and as with most Hokies, hatred is a rarity. Hokies are like Branchwater Mountianeers, that allotment of Appalachian folk that were stereotyped, and never retaliated or burdened with hypersensitivity from the stereotyping, because they were very comfortable in their own skin, and bluntly, did not give a shat what others thought. Now, if you are one of those Wahoo ballerinas, then yes, there may be some dislike, but even then I don't believe the Dude would hate you. Likely he would feel pity and offer you a Midol.
"and they were down my pants, flicking my little man in the boat" There Mclovin, I amended your response. I am obviously just kidding you young man.
Lets get this
(http://roadpastor.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/train-wreck-02.jpg)
back on track.
Here's some WNC brookie history a la Tranny:
Before the white man, brookies grew to 20" or more.
Enter white man, greedy, self righteous and most certainly correct in his approach to life itself.
Step One, cut all the trees down, to the very last sapling and build towns on the pretty rivers way below the hills. Erosion and flooding now? God's fault. Not so many brookies, shit, introduce invasives who will survive in a cluster fuck, grow bigger and provide sport for these industrious pricks. Enter the nasty cockroach and bruiser Leroy Brown.
Step two, create private clubs and grow a badass elistist attitude, hire security companies to patrol property line. Shoot to kill.
Step three (circa 1990something), complain that brookies are no longer found in their natural range. Continue stocking invasives right on top of native populations. Put "back the brookie" on NC DMV tags. Join TU, think you are the saviour of the brookie...
Step four, receive response from Saffa, don't like what you hear,catch and kill brookie, place on stick , overcooked on fire, throw away, repeat b';
One of the best true stories I have heard:
Indian Chief Two Eagles was asked by a U.S. government official, "you have observed the white man for 90 years. You've seen his wars and his technological advances. You've seen his progress and the damage he has done" The Chief nodded in agreement. The official continued, "considering all these events, in your opinion where did the white man go wrong? The Chief stared at the government official fo some time and then calmly replied: "When white man find land, Indians running it, no taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water, Women did all work, Medicine man free, Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing; all night having sex." Then the Chief leaned back and smiled "Only white man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that."
Bleeding fucking yanks >:D
Quote from: phlyfisher on March 15, 2012, 13:22:05 PM
dude i have given up listening to you, i know you kinda hate me, don't know why but o well....
Don't think of me as a hater. Think of me more like.......... an opportunistic harvester of low-hanging fruit.
Quote from: AK Aaron on March 15, 2012, 13:31:24 PM
Again, I don't hate you I was just giving you some shit, which it seems you may not be able to take.......
BTW, where were your hands when you were posed with those charming young lassies?
Quote from: The Dude on March 15, 2012, 15:24:26 PM
Quote from: phlyfisher on March 15, 2012, 13:22:05 PM
dude i have given up listening to you, i know you kinda hate me, don't know why but o well....
Don't think of me as a hater. Think of me more like.......... an opportunistic harvester of low-hanging fruit.
bd;0 AK Aaron & The Dude layeth the smacketh down on candy asses
Michael Cole Interviews The Rock At Summerslam 1999 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Euf41JG7I#)
Hilarious.
Quote from: Transylwader on March 15, 2012, 15:01:40 PM
Put "back the brookie" on NC DMV tags. Join TU, think you are the saviour of the brookie...
what he said ^^^ :laugh:
..besides the yankee thing..... :-*