Pretentious Snobby Bastard Fly Fishing!

Do we need to see proof that OBL is dead?

No...no need to poke a stick at a hornet's nest

I would not release the photo. My reason is that it will further inflame the terrorists as if they needed something more to make them more crazy.

Secondly, we gained a lot of documents and computer files. If some terrorists believe bin Laden is alive and their mission is still secret, we have a greater chance of taking them out.

It will become obvious when there are no more current videos of bin Laden. But it will take time for the reality to sink in.

This uncertainty helps us and creates confusion in al Qaeda's ranks. Some will refuse to change their allegiance from bin Laden to another leader if they think bin Laden is still alive.

There will now be a struggle for control of al Qaeda by bin Laden's lieutenants. The longer it takes for them to consolidate under a new leader, the better for us. Keep them believing that he is alive. It helps us.

Silver Creek I believe these people are far more in touch with whats going on and what has happened. They did stay one step ahead for 9years 7months and 20 days. Someone needs to bring the balls back into the USA and stop trying to negotiate fear from our enemies.Put his photo on every fire engine and police cruiser in NY ....let them know this is what will happen.

Who exactly would we be trying to convince by releasing the photos?  The tin foil hat crowd here at home??  Who cares?  They'll never believe it anyway.

Muslims?  Looks like they believe already from what I've seen.  Didn't bin Laden produce a video to be played in the event of his death?  That might might go a long way in convincing them if/when it's released.

I think the government is toying with releasing the photos soley to appease the media...that's about it.  They're already monday-morning-quarterbacking the whole thing to death already.  The press will spend the next week or so badgering the administration about the pictures, then when  it releases them, they'll spend the following week bashing them for doing it. b';

Yes - and it would have been more appropriate to have a video of his body as it disappears into a wood chipper. The funnel of the chipper should have pointing to a pig pen where the pigs anxiously wait for some fresh chow. This would send the non-pork eating  folks an unmistakable message.

Less you forget we were "treated" to Osama inspired video of of his followers beheading Daniel Pearl and a contractor (sorry I forgot contractors name) - We also saw video of burned and decapitated bodies of Blackwater contractors who were hung from a bridge in Iraq - The video included dancing in the streets under the hanging bodies.

How's that for stirring up a hornets nest?  Does anyone think they will hate us less for giving him a Muslim service and burying him at sea?

Just heard on news Mr O has decided not to release the photos - Once again during the politically correct thing. The chatter now is that Osama was unarmed and the Seal Team may be in trouble for using excessive force.

I don't know? :-\  Part of me wanted to drag his naked body down Pennsylvania Ave and hang him from a lamp post in front of the White House for everyone to see,  Then again, maybe trivializing his death and giving it as little attention as possible is best.

I don't think releasing the picture could makes things any worse. They already hate us anyway.  I wish we had wrapped him in a pig skin before we dropped him overboard.  It would save the price of a woodchipper, Al. -0-

What good would it do? The DNA and facial recognition tests are 100%. No need to release a gruesome picture.

Quote from: Phil on May 04, 2011, 15:23:36 PM
What good would it do? The DNA and facial recognition tests are 100%. No need to release a gruesome picture.

It's called retribution Phil and the families of those killed on 9-11 and in our Global War on Terror might use it to find closure. (No need to respond with phyco-babble and political correctness about "We are better then that". If you have experienced a personal loss of someone close to you all that stuff goes out the window)

Al -- the Seal Team 6 already quietly carried out the "retribution," got out clean, killed Osama Bin Laden, and it is done. Kill mission accomplished.
No need to parade the dead guy's head around on a spear (or post pics of him with his head blown off). That's what the enemy does. Why should we?

I remember guys in Vietnam who carried around dried ears from Cong they had killed. Wrong.
It's the same fucking thing, IMHO.

Obama decided NOT to release the photos. I agree with this decision.

Me too, Silver.

Warning Graphic Images..........


Not OBL, but his three com-padres have looked, and I am  quite sure they have felt better.


Leave it to the Germans to post such images..........Prost! Lansman..... 'c;

http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound (http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound)

Those are the bogus pics going around on the net, Dude.

Quote from: troutphisher on May 04, 2011, 18:57:30 PM
Warning Graphic Images..........


Not OBL, but his three com-padres have looked, and I am  quite sure they have felt better.


Leave it to the Germans to post such images..........Prost! Lansman..... 'c;

http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound (http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound)

Found it interesting that the article pointed out some possible irregularities/uniqueness in the downed chopper, being an aviation buff and wanting to know more, a quick google search found this:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/top-secret-stealth-helicopter-program-revealed-osama-bin/story?id=13530693 (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/top-secret-stealth-helicopter-program-revealed-osama-bin/story?id=13530693)

Pretty cool stuff I think.

Quote from: Phil on May 04, 2011, 17:04:19 PM
That's what the enemy does. Why should we?

Because the way to win a war is to beat the crap out of your enemy and leave him and any left over with such fear of us that we are left in relative peace for at least a generation, maybe two generations. Then when they raise their ugly head you do it all over again.

You may recall the Koreans in RVN were held in great respect from the NVA and Viet Cong. That is because they did not get involved with "nation building" - they just went out and beat the hell of any VC unit and any local village which supported them. Once they cleared an area it remained cleared out of fear of a repeat performance.

Al, you are still doing Vietnam. We lost there.

It's not the same now.

Spec Ops went in secretly and took Bin Laden out, after 10 years of bullshit.  Good job.

That's it. No pics -- no trophies. 

Quote from: Phil on May 04, 2011, 19:12:56 PM
Those are the bogus pics going around on the net, Dude.

Read the article with your "good eye".....not the glass one......DUDE...

I say put it out there.
A picture is worth a 1000 words.
If you kill Americans it may take 10 fucking years but you'll end up dying from lead poisoning.

Quote from interview with Obama about releasing the pictures:

"That's not who we are," Mr. Obama added. "You know, we don't trot out this stuff as trophies." He said, "We don't need to spike the football."

"Certainly there's no doubt among Al Qaeda members that he is dead," he said on "60 Minutes." "And so we don't think that a photograph in and of itself is going to make any difference. There are going to be some folks who deny it. The fact of the matter is, you will not see Bin Laden walking on this earth again."

You know I don't like his domestic policies- but I have to agree with him on this.  We're above that and need to move on.

Quote from: Phil on May 04, 2011, 19:35:42 PM
Al, you are still doing Vietnam. We lost there.

I always thought we simply quit in Vietnam.

Of all the guys I've interviewed over the years who served in Vietnam - mostly from my Dad's generation - have never forgiven the politicians for giving up the ground they and their buddies sacrificed so much to win.

I don't care if a picture ever shows up.  It really doesn't matter to me.  The snake will grow a new head and eventually it will be nastier than the one we just cut off.

"I always thought we simply quit in Vietnam."

Partially true. The support of the nation was no longer there. The politicians and military leaders caved in, and we withdrew. Basically. we lost. That was my point.
On another note, being in Vietnam in late 1971 and early 1972 was FUBAR. It was a complete piece of shit. We were doing missions that were insane.

Read some history.

"It is laughable how the left all agree with Obama not releasing the photo yet the applaud him for giving the order to shoot an unarmed man in front of his 12 yr old daughter. I could personally care less that this occurred but these liberals are the same jackasses who felt it was just fine to show pictures of flag draped coffins returning to the US in every major left-leaning trash rag printed. They cried about torture and prison camps too. They protested at Crawford and stalked Bush everywhere he went. They didn't have shit to say when Uday and Qusay Hussein's death photos were published or how about abu Mussab al-Zarqawi (The dune coon piece of shit that beheaded Nick Berg amongst other Americans) No there was no complaints when his death photo was released. In fact the only thing I recall was uber-douche Ramsey Clark (former AG under Johnson) volunteering to defend Sadam Hussein before his neck got stretched real good at the gallows... No, none of these incidents would offend the jibs or cause a spark in violence which would lead to dozens if not hundreds more soldiers sailors marines and airmen being killed; but, then again, that's just what the left wanted... isn't it? That way it is so much easier to get a high quality leader like Obama voted into office. The proof is in the protests... I don't see code pinko and mother Sheehan protesting outside the Obama-Rezko mansion on Chicago's south side or Billy Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn blowing up government offices in protest... That's all the proof I need."

Jaysus. You are a complete nutjob IMO. Get some therapy, maybe. Or maybe some anti-rabies shots.  :o

Friend of mine that I served with sent me this today, crude, but kinda funny :-\


Bin Laden Given Religious Funeral Prior to Sea Burial
Published May 02, 2011

Osama bin Laden was given a religious funeral prior to his burial at sea,
senior
military officials told Fox News.

Religious rites were conducted on the deck of the USS Carl Vinson aircraft
carrier at about 1:10 a.m. Monday <x-apple-data-detectors://6>  in the
Persian Gulf.

In accordance with Islamic practice, bin Laden was washed and wrapped in a
white sheet before buried at sea at 2 a.m. <x-apple-data-detectors://7>
local time, senior U.S. military
and intelligence officials said.

Then, "In accordance with common US Navy SEAL practice, the Team pissed on
him, stuck a pulled pork sandwich in his mouth and a kosher hot dog up his
ass, and pushed the Mother Fucker overboard with the other garbage," a
senior SEAL officer said.

(Oorah!! - Job well done!)

Phanatic, I completely respect your service to this country.

I am completely opposed to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. I do not support Bush/ Obama's policies in Afghanistan. Sorry you are caught up in those needless messes that are costing American blood and money.

I fail to see how we are accomplishing anything there. Much like Vietnam.

The endless multiple Tours of Duty you guys are are having to endure is WRONG.
I wish there was a solution.

Quote from: Phil on May 07, 2011, 14:23:43 PM
I wish there was a solution.

start up the draft!

Troutphanatic--

"Our lives are not worth it. Phil fought an assed up war that served no clear purpose so I understand when he gets pissed off. I further understand any vet whose service was compulsory. On the contrary, I volunteered and continue to do so. I once saw Afghanistan as a noble endeavor. I now see it as a giant shit-pond of US political quagmire with no clear objective and no end in site."

You are correct.

BTW -- I wasn't drafted. I volunteered and signed up in 1970 at the age of 17. It wasn't compulsory in my case. My brother had gotten married and his wife was pregnant. He was a stupid college student who had taken ROTC and was gonna get sent to Vietnam for sure. He was drafted.
I went in his place as his sole surviving relative thing.

He died of a drug overdose. Go figure.

"Our lives are not worth it. Phil fought an assed up war that served no clear purpose so I understand when he gets pissed off. "

Tell that to the 58 K whose names are on the wall and all the Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians who lost their lives once we pulled out.

We were winning but we were not winning fast enough to suit the folks back home. Then as soon as Nixon announced we were going to have a draw down all they had to do was wait us out - and of course no one wanted to be the last guy killed for what was already announced as a lost cause. That's when you saw all the fraggings and doped up GI's just putting in their time and marking their short timers calendar.

Not sure how I stand on the pic. I guess don't publish it, really no need. If you say you got him good enough. If they wanted to fake it, that would be so easy to do anyway. So if you say he is dead done deal.
STU

Quote from: Al on May 07, 2011, 20:18:19 PM
"Our lives are not worth it. Phil fought an assed up war that served no clear purpose so I understand when he gets pissed off. "

Tell that to the 58 K whose names are on the wall and all the Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians who lost their lives once we pulled out.

We were winning but we were not winning fast enough to suit the folks back home. Then as soon as Nixon announced were were going to have a draw down all they had to do was wait us out - and of course one wanted to be the last guy killed for what was already announced as a lost cause. That's when you saw all the fraggings and doped up GI's just putting in their time and marking their short timers calendar.

So -- Here is the question, Al -- Why were we there? What did it accomplish? What were we "winning?" I saw  (and still see) nothing accomplished. There was nothing to "win." I killed a bunch of people, and am not sure why nowadays. Most of them were just little starving peons. I do have bad dreams.

I see nothing helpful that will be accomplished in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are spending young  lives and billions. Fuck the Mideast. Let 'em fight between themselves. They have been doing it for centuries. Maybe a few thousand want to be Islamic Extremists and attack the USA. It's a small number.
Kill them if they get here, and get on with International relations.  :).

Quote from: Phil on May 06, 2011, 22:25:33 PM

"I always thought we simply quit in Vietnam."

Partially true. The support of the nation was no longer there. The politicians and military leaders caved in, and we withdrew. Basically. we lost. That was my point.
On another note, being in Vietnam in late 1971 and early 1972 was FUBAR. It was a complete piece of shit. We were doing missions that were insane.

Read some history.

I've read my history. 

Believe me, I've read my history.  I've spoken with the guys who were there.  I've sat beside them at funerals and they were always the ones standing graveside until the last shovel full of dirt was thrown.

I've bought them beers, whiskey, dinner, and breakfast.  They have my respect and admiration as Gulf War, Korean & WWII veterans. 

Quote from: Al on May 07, 2011, 20:18:19 PM
We were winning but we were not winning fast enough to suit the folks back home. Then as soon as Nixon announced were were going to have a draw down all they had to do was wait us out - and of course one wanted to be the last guy killed for what was already announced as a lost cause. That's when you saw all the fraggings and doped up GI's just putting in their time and marking their short timers calendar.

We were winning and we quit.

Let's hope that doesn't happen in Pakgafistan.

So -- You've read your history. That's good.

I don't have your respect because I served and disagree with you? Eh?

I have a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star somewhere in a box in my basement. I'm not particularly proud of them, except when I think of my buddies that were in the same shit  I was in. It was about helping your bros. 

Quote from: Phil on May 04, 2011, 19:35:42 PM
Al, you are still doing Vietnam. We lost there.

It's not the same now.

Spec Ops went in secretly and took Bin Laden out, after 10 years of bullshit.  Good job.

That's it. No pics -- no trophies.

Phil, sure it's the same! You can't win when you've got rules, guidelines, the media and timelines to downsize and pullout! They use it against you. If you cant leave them scared of you when you leave, what's the point!? It's like a schoolyard bully, beat the shit outta him, his friends and anyone that helps him or you'll have to put up with his crap the whole time you're in school! Rules are for losers! We need to get out of the "Goodguy" crap! We've been the goodguys since WWII and the rest of the world shits on us! It's time we take back the respect the US deserves, and if we dont get repect, FEAR is just as good! I've been there and seen first hand those rugheads will take our money and turn right around and set IED's for us as we leave thier villages! OK, we need to burn those villes to the ground and kill everything that moves! They'll quit that shit! They know we're fighting with one BOTH arms tied behind our backs! And they danmed well use it to thier advantage! War isn't suposed to be nice, and I know you've been there, scorch the ground and get the hell out! If you send in the troops, be in it to win is all I'm saying! Let us do the job and get out, not take 10 years doing the job and STILL not getting it done! It's bad enough that I had to go, but now my son is going? He was 11 when this shit started! How much longer do we need to screw around in this shithole country? Kill as many as it takes to leave them shake'n in thier sandals and leave!

What Cmiller just said:  'c; 'c; 'c; 'c; 'c; 'c; 'c;

What Phil just said:  Please don't think you're the only one who experienced those things. Thousands of us did - we just don't dwell on it with every living breath.

Oh yeah, the picture, HELL YEAH post the damn thing with a huge caption "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK WITH US, AND WE"RE COMING AFTER THE REST OF YOU BASTARDS TOO! It may not be tomorrow, it may not be next week, but one night, really soon, you'll open your eyes (for the last time) and see big, strong soldiers standing in your shack, and you'll remember this!"


20 January 2012! CHANGE YOU CAN BELIVE IN!

Why would you worry about offending muslims by releasing the picture? The only people who should or would be offended are those who idolize him and believed in his agenda.....those folks are our enemy.....and I don't give a fuck about the enemy. They gave him a "respectful burial at sea" as not to offend those of his religeon.....but let me be clear.....if a Christian had commited those acts of 911 I would have wanted him to be treated the same way as I would have liked to have seen Bin Laden treated......They should have cut his head off....pissed on it...and hung it from a flagpole at ground zero.

Fuck respecting the enemy.....after 911 we should have treated it like Pearl Harbor and lit those fuckers up in a quick flyover.

TF - You are right in your assessment of previous and current situation (Very similar)

BTW I got the photo - here ya go........................

OSAMA BIN LADIN has just met with the first of his 72 virgins that Allah promised - 'ALLAH AKBAR!!'

ME TOO BROTHER, ME TOO! When are you headin back over? You gunna be back in RC South again? If you are, look up my son and keep an eye out for him, I'll e-mail you his name and unit. Doing route clearance, would'nt listen to his old man, I dont know anything that's going on over there! Keep your head down and hurry back, I'll be leaving just as you guys get back. This is my last one and I'm done! Retirement is lookin mighty good!

Quote from: Phil on May 07, 2011, 21:08:00 PM
So -- You've read your history. That's good.

I don't have your respect because I served and disagree with you? Eh?

I have a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star somewhere in a box in my basement. I'm not particularly proud of them, except when I think of my buddies that were in the same shit  I was in. It was about helping your bros.

You have as much respect as those guys - with or without the Purple Heart and/or Bronze Star.   And that's a helluva lot.  Just because I didn't type "Vietnam" doesn't mean you don't have my respect.  That was not my implication.

I don't care if you disagree with me.

It's still about "helping your bros."

This is hilarious. Bin Laden's son accuses US of breaking int'l law in killing his father.




http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/world/asia/11binladen.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/world/asia/11binladen.html)

Quote from: Silver Creek on May 11, 2011, 10:07:16 AM
This is hilarious. Bin Laden's son accuses US of breaking int'l law in killing his father.




http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/world/asia/11binladen.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/world/asia/11binladen.html)

Saw that this afternoon, made me laugh.  He thought Bin Laden should of had a court trial and that it was unjust.......funny how people forget about 9/11 and how unjust that was.