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Fly Fishing BS => The Gravel Bar => Topic started by: Woolly Bugger on February 02, 2020, 13:03:57 PM

Poll
Question: Are you worried, have you changed habits?
Option 1: I stopped drinking Corona Beer!
Option 2: I stopped eating Chinese Take Out
Option 3: What Corona Virus?
Option 4: One time at band camp I got a virus...
Title: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 02, 2020, 13:03:57 PM
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/index.html

QuoteWith a new coronavirus sickening thousands across China, researchers who specialize in tracking the spread of infectious disease are modeling its movements. They're asking just how widespread the illness could become, now that cases have been confirmed in 17 other countries.

"We've already lost control of it in China," says Michael Osterholm, PhD, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

He says the quarantines in major Chinese cities have probably had limited impact.

"The idea that we could create this seal around China is just totally unrealistic," he says. "I think at that point, you have to assume we're going to see widespread transmission around the world."

Likewise, Scott Gottlieb, MD, former commissioner of the FDA, said in an op-ed for CNBC that "global spread appears inevitable."

report (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200124/coronavirus-2020-outbreak-latest-updates?ecd=soc_fb_200125_cons_news_coronavirusqa&linkId=100000010271197&fbclid=IwAR03FeAHn334MXwIuIt2eU0rIcfPv_TAjGN5kSLQx6kgUx3N9N-S-J8VKPA)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on February 03, 2020, 09:14:22 AM
My brother who is in the medicine field says we should be more worried about this years influenza.  He said it has been more deadly than usual on people with weak immune systems.  However, the scary thing with me for the coronavirus is the 10 day incubation period for the virus.  If you are relatively healthy I wouldn't be too worried.  I'm expecting doctors to have a vaccine soon and this will be like the Ebola and bird flu scares.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 06, 2020, 20:04:48 PM
Thurs evening report;

The death toll in China rises to 563, with more than 28,000 cases countrywide
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 08, 2020, 11:07:28 AM
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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Communist China is going to send workers back to factories on Monday!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dee-Vo on February 10, 2020, 09:14:16 AM
Sort of reminds me of "The Stand."
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 24, 2020, 14:50:08 PM
QuoteLipsitch predicts that, within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. But, he clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses. "It's likely that many will have mild disease, or may be asymptomatic," he said. As with influenza, which is often life-threatening to people with chronic health conditions and of older age, most cases pass without medical care. (Overall, around 14 percent of people with influenza have no symptoms.)

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on February 24, 2020, 20:32:36 PM
Read somewhere the thing that used to keep the worlds population in check was massive wars and uncontrollable diseases. We haven't had either in awhile. Maybe this is it  :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Silver Creek on February 25, 2020, 08:39:07 AM
Quote from: Al on February 24, 2020, 20:32:36 PMRead somewhere the thing that used to keep the worlds population in check was massive wars and uncontrollable diseases. We haven't had either in awhile. Maybe this is it  :o

I hate to mention it but you forgot famine.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on February 28, 2020, 18:18:21 PM
Iran's deputy health minister, Iraj Harirchi, was pale and drenched in sweat during a press conference on Monday as he told reporters that the Islamic Republic had "almost stabilized" the country's outbreak of coronavirus. He mopped his brow so often that an aide scurried to the lectern with a box of tissues. Harirchi dismissed as hype an Iranian lawmaker's claim that fifty people had already died from covid-19. "I will resign if the numbers are even half or a quarter of this," he said, adding that Iran had only sixty-one confirmed cases, with twelve deaths. Iran opposed quarantines, he said, because they belonged to an era before the First World War—"to the plague, cholera, stuff like that." The next day, Harirchi confirmed in a video—from quarantine—that he had contracted coronavirus.

Iran, a country of eighty-three million people, has now become one of the global epicenters of the coronavirus—with the highest mortality rate in the world. Based on official numbers, the mortality rate in Iran has fluctuated daily, between eight and eighteen per cent, compared to three per cent in China and less everywhere else. Iran is also unique, because a disproportionate number of confirmed cases are senior government officials. On Thursday, the Vice-President, Masoumeh Ebtekar—who gained fame in 1979 as Sister Mary, the spokeswoman for the students who seized the U.S. Embassy and took fifty-two Americans hostage—announced that she, too, had contracted the coronavirus. The day before, she had attended a meeting with President Hassan Rouhani and his cabinet. Two members of parliament, including the chairman of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Policy, have also been infected, as has the mayor of a district in Tehran and a senior cleric who had served as Iran's Ambassador to the Vatican. One of the lawmakers, Mahmoud Sadeghi, tweeted on Tuesday, "I send this message in a situation where I have little hope of surviving in this world." The former Vatican Ambassador, who was eighty-one, died on Thursday. So did Elham Sheikhi, a member of the women's national soccer team, who was twenty-two.

Iranian Deputy Health Minister Iraj Harirchi wipes the sweat off his face.
Iran's deputy health minister, Iraj Harirchi, wipes sweat from his brow during a press conference, on Monday. He later confirmed that he has contracted coronavirus.Photograph by Mehdi Bolourian / Fars News / AFP / Getty
Iran's official counts—three hundred and eighty-eight confirmed cases and thirty-four deaths, as of Friday—may be grossly underreported. In an early analysis published on Monday, six Canadian epidemiologists calculated that Iran probably had more than eighteen thousand cases of coronavirus. Their mathematical model was based on Iran's official death toll, the disease's infection and mortality rates worldwide, inflections in other countries traced to Iran, flight data, and travel patterns. "Given the low volumes of air travel to countries with identified cases of COVID-19 with origin in Iran (such as Canada), it is likely that Iran is currently experiencing a COVID-19 epidemic of significant size," they concluded. Because of the wide margin of error, the number of cases could range from as low as thirty-seven hundred to as high as fifty-three thousand. In the end, the Canadian epidemiologists settled on eighteen thousand three hundred, with a ninety-five-per-cent confidence rate. All of their estimates are many, many times higher than the figures that Iran has reported. Their model was published on medRxiv, which posts preliminary research that has not yet been peer-reviewed.


https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/how-iran-became-a-new-epicenter-of-the-coronavirus-outbreak
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 29, 2020, 10:06:37 AM
Iran, Italy, S. Korea, Spain, France, Germany  :wave
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 29, 2020, 19:14:37 PM
Shit is getting real  :o

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 01, 2020, 09:21:03 AM
I guess Jesus isn't going to save them !

QuoteThe leader of a religious sect in South Korea could face a homicide investigation over some of the country's coronavirus deaths.

The city government of the capital Seoul has asked prosecutors to charge Lee Man-hee, the founder of the Shincheonji Church, and 11 others.

They are accused of hiding the names of some members as officials tried to track patients before the virus spread.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51695649
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 01, 2020, 11:45:53 AM
The Louvre museum in Paris has remained shut amid concerns over France's coronavirus outbreak.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 01, 2020, 14:10:35 PM
USA live updates

https://corona.help/country/us  :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 01, 2020, 14:30:35 PM
I fear that Iran is underreporting and that S. Korea, Italy and the rest of Europe are still in epidemic

The new case charts, after beginning to flatten out, are now sloping upwards.

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 01, 2020, 16:35:14 PM
There are many different strains.  Claims have been made that certain strains can linger on hard surfaces for up to 9 days.  Seems to me shipped packages could be quite the vector.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on March 01, 2020, 18:22:40 PM
My wife (RN, MS, DNP educated) has studied pandemics, including the Spanish Flu about a hundred years ago. She predicts a slowing of infections in the next few months. Then a rapid growth in the fall/winter. Mutations will occur and control will be more difficult. Look at the difference in world wide travel in the last 100 years. Staggering growth and speed of travel. We'll need incredible international cooperation. Are you feeling good about our situation?
Whittling down the herd.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: streamereater_101691 on March 02, 2020, 07:52:16 AM
Active cases are going down as well as death rate. I agree we will see it disappear during spring and summer then make a major comeback in winter.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 02, 2020, 14:10:34 PM
335 new cases and 11 new deaths in Italy, for a total of 2,036 cases and 52 deaths to date. Among the 1,835 active cases, 908 (49%) are hospitalized, 166 of which (representing 9% of active cases) are in intensive care. Among the 201 closed cases, 149 (74%) have recovered, 52 (26%) have died. Lombardy region urges people over 65 years of age to stay home and not go out for 2-3 weeks.


Looks a lot worse that the regular flu!

China—>Iran—>Italy—>the rest of the world
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 02, 2020, 14:38:02 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on February 08, 2020, 11:07:28 AMhttps://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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Communist China is going to send workers back to factories on Monday!

Your 411 is a wee bit dated
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 02, 2020, 23:11:46 PM
Spread of virus outside of China is troubling

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 03, 2020, 10:33:25 AM
What the hell?

Tens of thousands of prisoners in Iran have been released temporarily as the country tries to reduce coronavirus infections, officials say.

More than 54,000 inmates had been let out after testing negative for the virus, Iran's judiciary spokesman Gholamhossein Esmaili said.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 03, 2020, 16:02:26 PM
This is a handy tool
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1QsHWV4PLRGeK7dwgYrgV_GQGnrCTjQjMjpOBvvzV13F8l2wEoUBWLv9c#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 03, 2020, 21:56:19 PM
Looks like northern Italy should have been locked down last week!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on March 04, 2020, 08:50:30 AM
Still overhyped.  If you believe the, imho, under reported case numbers in China, the death rate is around 3.4%.  Most of the deaths in Washington are from a nursing home ( think one of the caretakers who died was in their 40's though).  This is not the herd thinning plague.  Viruses like Ebola had a 50% death rate and SARS was around 10%.  Coronavirus has a much easier time infecting and spreading, but the fact is, if you are relatively healthy, you won't have to even go to the hospital. They are reporting that over 80% of the cases are mild and need no medical intervention.  Why isn't that number being reported?  I believe that everyone should be obviously be prepared for the worst case scenario, but we have to be grounded in some facts and the level of paranoia with the Coronavirus is not based in fact with the current numbers from this virus.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 04, 2020, 12:28:20 PM
Quote from: Big J on March 04, 2020, 08:50:30 AMStill overhyped.  If you believe the, imho, under reported case numbers in China, the death rate is around 3.4%.  Most of the deaths in Washington are from a nursing home ( think one of the caretakers who died was in their 40's though).  This is not the herd thinning plague.  Viruses like Ebola had a 50% death rate and SARS was around 10%.  Coronavirus has a much easier time infecting and spreading, but the fact is, if you are relatively healthy, you won't have to even go to the hospital. They are reporting that over 80% of the cases are mild and need no medical intervention.  Why isn't that number being reported?  I believe that everyone should be obviously be prepared for the worst case scenario, but we have to be grounded in some facts and the level of paranoia with the Coronavirus is not based in fact with the current numbers from this virus.

Tell that to the dead in Washington!

And then you have stupid, like this idiot in NH

https://www.axios.com/new-hampshire-coronavirus-patient-isolation-break-3e72c1f2-65f3-484f-98ae-78ef66aff803.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: hcrum87hc on March 04, 2020, 13:24:07 PM
I think it's already more widespread than reported.  Think about how many people have minor symptoms and think it's just a cold or flu, as it is that time of the year.  They likely aren't being reported, and a large number of people with those symptoms don't even go to the doctor.

Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 04, 2020, 12:28:20 PMAnd then you have stupid, like this idiot in NH

https://www.axios.com/new-hampshire-coronavirus-patient-isolation-break-3e72c1f2-65f3-484f-98ae-78ef66aff803.html

That guy?  F that guy.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 04, 2020, 13:35:37 PM
New cases are on the rise: I fear that Iran and India may be underreporting by huge margins

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 04, 2020, 16:22:15 PM
Not sure how much the title had to do with the decision to delay the release of the new Bond film!
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on March 04, 2020, 16:59:11 PM
Now you are getting into some things that the coronavirus will impact.  While I do not chalk up 10 people dying (Majority with compromised immune systems) as the herd thinning plague, I will say the economic impacts of the coronavirus will hurt a lot of industries.
Specifically the Tourism industry and entertainment industry.  Also the production issues in China due to plants shutting down will impact products in the US.   The majority of the Pharmaceutical products for example are produced in China.  Will we see shortages in medicine? 

Also, what is up with the web browser distortion with the text WB?  The text is extended way out of boxes.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 04, 2020, 20:08:06 PM
QuotePomeranian has low-level infection and experts unanimously conclude human-to-animal transmission

But experts also cite previous experience with Sars suggesting cats and dogs will not fall sick or transmit virus to people

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3065016/coronavirus-pet-dog-belonging-covid-19-patient
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 05, 2020, 07:16:10 AM
Quote from: Big J on March 04, 2020, 08:50:30 AMStill overhyped.

Overhyped?  Perhaps, but what will transpire if we do little or nothing to understand and contain this bug?  Think mutation!!!!!     Usually mutations are neutral or harmful, rarely beneficial.     


BUT, we are in good hands!

"I haven't touched my face in weeks!" Trump said to laughter. "I miss it."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/03/04/coronavirus-donald-trump-assures-public-its-safe-fly/4951826002/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on March 05, 2020, 08:39:11 AM
It's not an either or issue.  I'm only stating that people and the media are overhyping it. I also think Trump was downplaying it. My wife went to Sam's club to do her monthly trip and people have ransacked the waters, paper goods, and cleaning products. I'm building a hutch for our living room and my sawdust mask was pretty well worn so I went to Lowe's to pick up another pack of dusk masks and they were sold out.  Anyone check ebay to see what Lysol and N95 masks are going for?  It's insane.  I think the medical community has jumped on this properly and are making gains on a vaccine.  Read that Israeli scientist claim to be weeks out to having a vaccine to start trials and testing.  I'm not advocating we do nothing, not advocating I'm an expert, just saying imho, this is not the herd thinning plague everyone is making it out to be. 

I'm wired to being a little more cautious in these situations and in life in general.  I have a daughter with an auto immune disease and on methotrexate on a weekly basis which also compromises her immune system.  If anyone was to be paranoid I would think it would be me, the guy that carries a gun around on his hip on a daily basis and with this daughter.  Looking at the facts with this, I'm really not concerned and have faith in the medical field and mother nature's season changing that this will work itself out.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 05, 2020, 09:03:01 AM
Quote from: Big J on March 05, 2020, 08:39:11 AMIt's insane. 


Yes, the quintessential human angst, the fear of death.  Word of the day = thanatophobia.

Immediate threats, real or not, seem to rock our world, while future perils to our existence seem to elude us (i.e. climate change).  Our lofty position as the idyllic, dominant species needs some work.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on March 05, 2020, 12:56:47 PM
My wife, with her national nursing network, tells me that people are stealing masks, gloves, hand cleaner and other supplies from doctor's offices and hospitals in areas with positive testing.
Seattle area is in near meltdown.
But I'm sure Pence, Mr. Science denier, visiting will calm everyone.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 05, 2020, 13:23:59 PM
Quote from: Big J on March 04, 2020, 16:59:11 PMAlso, what is up with the web browser distortion with the text WB?  The text is extended way out of boxes.

What browser on what platform?

Screenshot please
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: hcrum87hc on March 05, 2020, 13:59:13 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 05, 2020, 13:23:59 PM
Quote from: Big J on March 04, 2020, 16:59:11 PMAlso, what is up with the web browser distortion with the text WB?  The text is extended way out of boxes.

What browser on what platform?

Screenshot please

I'm seeing it on page 2 of this thread using Chrome on Windows 10.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 05, 2020, 14:58:32 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 05, 2020, 13:23:59 PM
Quote from: Big J on March 04, 2020, 16:59:11 PMAlso, what is up with the web browser distortion with the text WB?  The text is extended way out of boxes.

What browser on what platform?

Screenshot please

Yup, earlier I was forced to scroll right, way right, all the way to WV, to read the entire message.  I hate going right!  Like Leonard on the Big Bang, I always go left!  Now it is doing the same damned thing when I preview this message.

Have no idea of browser I am using.  I just turn the sons-a-bitch on and start hitting keys.  If there's a problem, it must be that damned corona.

http://youtu.be/kMgmBuC85sw
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 05, 2020, 15:57:35 PM
Try it now! It may have been the long ass url that mudflap posted
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on March 05, 2020, 17:16:20 PM
Page 2 of this thread I see examples where posts extend beyond the outer limits. Using Ipad with Safari.
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: hcrum87hc on March 06, 2020, 08:22:59 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 05, 2020, 15:57:35 PMTry it now! It may have been the long ass url that mudflap posted

Still doing it for me.  Looks like troutrus posted a long URL.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 06, 2020, 08:39:06 AM
Quote from: hcrum87hc on March 06, 2020, 08:22:59 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 05, 2020, 15:57:35 PMTry it now! It may have been the long ass url that mudflap posted

Still doing it for me.  Looks like troutrus posted a long URL.

So, it wasn't me!  Seems Bossman went to the same culpability class as my wife.  Just celebrated our 35th wedding anniversary, and the one constant over those 35 blissful years is, she still blames me for shit that I did not do.   
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 06, 2020, 14:38:12 PM
John Hopkins site is back up and running

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 07, 2020, 11:03:06 AM
"The tests are beautiful."  What the freak is a "beautiful" test?  How the heck did we regress where our boss uses such adolescent oration?  Often, I use juvenile language, but I ain't a leader of anyone.  I expect more from our chiefs!

Obliging fish story for itieuglyflies (well, sort of a fishing story):  Wonderful angling dream last night.  I was fishing the Smith during the heat of an August day, during the terrestrial season.  Heading upstream, I was soon at the tail end of my favorite reach, The Trestle Pool.  As I studied the lower flat, I knew the left bank always provided a fish or two.  Perfect angle for a right hander, I started popping a beetle, tight along the edge, as I waded upstream in the knee-deep water.  Soon I was hooked up.  First a spunky 8 incher, then another clone, and then another about an inch longer.  It was then an upstream horizonal fleshy figure caught my eye.  It was Jennifer Connelly sprawled out on an army surplus sleeping mat.  It was the first time I had seen this particular Jennifer without her wraps, even in a dream.  (I watched 'Only the Brave' last week, so that may explain.)  Ms. Connelly was restfully situated on that spit of river depositional material that sprouts downstream from the rock garden at the head of the pool/flat.  I assume that little river peninsula remains.  She slowly raised her fully exposed torso, with an inviting "Hello".  I responded with an Appalachian "howdy miss".  She invited me over, returning to her original horizonal posture, shading her eyes with her left hand from the midday Henry County sun.  I could not help admiring her slender, athletic, naked flesh, and was oddly attracted to her nether region and the lack of foliage, except for the hirsute fish-shaped "mons pubis".  She caught my glance, so I was forced to break the quiet.  "You must like fish", I stammered.  Ms. Connelly stirringly responded, "Yes, I do, but what I could use is a beer.  There were two anglers by earlier, but all they had was pretentious beer.  I didn't see them catch a thing.  I believe their names were Doug and Keith."  "How's an Old Milwaukee sound?" I blurted, ejaculating spittle in excitement.  Then I woke to the downstairs coffee pot doing its thing.   

http://youtu.be/1_XwC9IQKBc
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 07, 2020, 13:00:30 PM
I've had my fill of Old Milwaukee  d:b  p;-


Oh my god! "...like the big monster ship...."
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 07, 2020, 13:37:14 PM

South by Southwest festival cancelled over coronavirus https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51778423

Does anybody remember events being canceled during the H1N1 flu pandemic?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 08, 2020, 11:27:35 AM
No worse than the flu?

16 million quarantined in Italy  :o 25E5C9A4-5E10-4DD8-9113-4D89F61ECEC4.png
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 10, 2020, 16:23:43 PM
As they just "locked down"  New Rochelle one mile radius from the epicenter of the largest outbreak in the USA, question is who will be next and how far will it go?

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Harvard tells students not to return after spring break, classes go online (https://www.universalhub.com/2020/harvard-tells-students-not-come-back-after-spring)



Marshall islands suspends all foreign air traffic to stop spread of virus (https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://news.yahoo.com/marshall-islands-bars-air-travellers-stop-virus-060922611.html&ct=ga&cd=CAEYACoUMTMxMzA1OTQzNjE4NjU0NDQ2MzcyGmJhNTM3MDU2OTQ2YzVmNDM6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNHWC4soqRmaOue0CPSBSpCvef7www)

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: ARontheFly on March 11, 2020, 10:43:12 AM
Google search Michael Osterholm - good 15 minute clip of a joe rogan podcast with him and also a CNN interview.
Good straight talk on the issue. I've been drinking more Corona's and craving Chinese takeout, my weak
brain is a sucker for subliminal marketing I suppose.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on March 15, 2020, 17:21:45 PM
This link just posted by our old buddy Trout Fantastic on his FB page who says we should take this stuff seriously . BTW for some of you who may not know TF is in the final stages of PA school.

https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2020/03/a-covid-19-coronavirus-update-from-concerned-physicians.html?fbclid=IwAR2WU2NKaQlWu96KjnzJfCxLIfoEpTsG1R5Yxkh9JnBR7be0o_OKZWwVsHw
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 16, 2020, 18:05:07 PM
This just in!

A couple in Burlington NC just purchased over $2,500 worth of ammo!

 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 16, 2020, 22:24:26 PM
https://twitter.com/maxbrooksauthor/status/1239624352305303552?s=21
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: rbphoto on March 17, 2020, 06:55:46 AM
I have seen too many articles and posts downplaying this and comparing it to flu or H1N1.

Being related to a few healthcare workers, and friends with dozens more (ER, ICU, RNs, MDs, Paramedics, etc) I believe this is not like H1N1. 

Is it overblown by the media?

Yes.

Is the potential for a large part of the population to be severely infected?

Yes.

Are healthcare workers and systems doing everything they can do prepare for the worst?

Yes.

One of our local systems just closed their smallest facility (less than 100 beds) to sanitize it and convert the rooms into makeshift isolation facilities for critically infected patients, if the need materializes. 

Good prep on the part of our community.

ER & Critical care MDs & RNs and Respiratory Therapists are all being taught proper PPE and procedural "donning & doffing" of said PPE to limit exposure to themselves and their colleagues.  They are discussing innovative ways to provide supportive care and limit aerosolization from respiratory distressed patients.

They are working through how to best reduce fomite transmission ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fomite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fomite) ) because that is a major unknown. 

Critically ill patients will be staffed at 2:1 nurse to patient ratios.  One nurse to care for the patient.  One nurse to act as the spotter for potential issues related to isolation protocol and to limit exposure to caregivers.

Most ER personnel, first responders, and community health workers believe they either already have been or will be exposed to the virus.  We simply did not get out in front of this soon enough.

My brother is an ER nurse and expects to catch hell when he returns to his next shift.

My son is quarantined pending test results from one of his healthcare worker friends.  The soonest he may be able to return to work is Thursday.  Test results are not always quick . . .

Numerous industries have already been affected and the reach is greater than many people realize.

My company has already seen "Stop Work" orders on a couple of large projects and multiple delays on others.  We build durable goods used in manufacturing and maintenance of large industries that support the infrastructure of our country. 

Schools are closed and many of the people with whom I work, worship and fellowship will be forced to stay home with their children, reducing the resources available to an enormous amount of businesses which will have significant impact over the next couple of weeks.

We will see innovative business opportunities created from this crisis.  The American people always respond to business opportunities with creativity to meet needs and put food on the table.

All of that to say that this is unprecedented in our country and we have a responsibility to care for those around us in ways we have probably never considered.  This has the potential to recreate community in ways that our culture has forgotten or abandoned.

Buy LOCAL!!!  Local, especially small businesses will suffer the most.

Check on the elderly and infirm and those without dependable transportation.  Go shopping for them or bring them something home cooked.

Be merciful to those who have fewer resources than you.  The poor are going to be harder hit than most of us realize. 

Many more people will end up poor as a result of this. 

I am a firm believer than people will rise to the level we expect them to.  Our culture has very low expectations and we call all fix that with some deliberate changes.

Do good for others. Speak to people with hopefulness and in such a way that you raise the expectation of them to be kind.

Work.  If your company allows, go to work.  If they don't, be productive.  Maybe on your home, vehicle, neighbor's home or vehicle, or any number of other creative ways.

Take a kid fishing.

Take an older person fishing.

Do justice, love mercy, walk humbly.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 17, 2020, 07:27:17 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 16, 2020, 18:05:07 PMThis just in!

A couple in Burlington NC just purchased over $2,500 worth of ammo!

 

They should have purchased strawberry plants.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 18, 2020, 07:28:06 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 16, 2020, 18:05:07 PMThis just in!

A couple in Burlington NC just purchased over $2,500 worth of ammo!

 

I hear gun and ammo sales are up across the globe.  This seems rational to me.  I firmly recall that freshman biology class and the revelation that bullets were most effective against most all viruses.  Some loads and projectiles, particularly the silver ones, the same used to halt werewolves, are very competent at bringing down all types of microscopic, unseen bugs.     
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 18, 2020, 19:34:35 PM
My shopping for surviving Covid 19

- 0 degree sleeping bags for surviving with no heat
- 50 pound sack of corn flower > don't have
- 50 pound sack of steel cut oat groats > don't have
- Wood fuel camp stove
- Dutch Oven
- hand powered grinding mill > don't have
- More beehive woodware and wax foundation
- Up to date will
- Buckwheat seed enough .25 acre....enough roundup to kill front lawn to replace with buckwheat.
- Seeds of all kind.  Beets, mustard, Alaskan blue cabbage,everything!
- Screens and plywood for drying fruit
- Gravity water filtration system > don't have
- Gutter cistern for watering garden > don't have
- 10 year supply of captan
- 3 year supply of herbicide
- Lye > don't have
- Couple new bow saws
- 50 pounds of coffee beans > don't have
- 50 pounds of carnation dried milk. > don't have
- Couple Black Twig apple trees on Bud9 rootstock.
- Large fish trap to catch catfish > don't have

$2500 for ammo is a waste. A Troy Bilt horse tiller is worth much more.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 19, 2020, 02:16:44 AM
This just in:

Wife sent husband out to buy eggs, all stores sold out, so he goes and buys a gun instead.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 19, 2020, 04:27:02 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 19, 2020, 02:16:44 AMThis just in:

Wife sent husband out to buy eggs, all stores sold out, so he goes and buys a gun instead.

Buy a god damned chick at Tractor supply.  Dumbass.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on March 19, 2020, 06:49:06 AM
I tried "going back to the land" in the mid 1970's to the mid 80's. Had 10 acres, chickens, goats, big garden, etc. It didn't work. I worked my ass off in the garden, feeding animals, milking, making cheese, getting eggs, tilling, building barns, etc. Didn't raise enough food to feed squat. Would plant 100 pounds of seed potatoes (that I had to buy), then would get the blight and only end up with 75 pounds of potatoes at the end of the season, for example. Had to work two lousy jobs in addition to the "farm" in order to make enough money to go buy food, gas, pay bills, etc. Got tired of goat milk and eggs.
I'm under no illusions about "living off the land" anymore. Just me -- YMMV.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on March 19, 2020, 08:17:35 AM
I think most of the gun sales are first time gun buyers according to most of the stuff I'm reading. Nobody I know that is into guns has gone out and bought another gun during this coronavirus scare.  Granted most of the people I know are in VA and they made their needed purchases during the AWB Bill hearings between Nov. and Feb.  Think the first time buyers are seeing how quickly things got out of control and came to the realization that the government doesn't have the ability to protect you during a crisis and a crisis tends to bring out the worst in people. 

I do think everyone across the board are stocking up on ammo which I think is dumb.  Prices are thru the roof right now.  It is not necessary to buy a crate of ammo right now. You are not going to need it, and you are going to take it up the rear on pricing.  My mags are full in my guns and if I were to need more than that, I have been in a really really bad situation for way too long and it is a miracle I made it that far.  People do not need to let paranoia get the best of them.  Invest that money in some stock in a month or two.

On the run on food, it is scary how quick and fragile the food supply chain is when people panic.  And this was not even a "end of the world we need food" situation.  And the stupidity in some of the bulk purchases amazes me.  I can't tell you how many pictures I saw with shopping carts with 20 gallons of milk and 30 loaves of bread. 

I went to the grocery store, bought a pack of eggs, 3lbs of ground beef, a little coffee, and some olive oil. Just what I was running low on and needed for the week.  Shelves are already restocked at all our locations.  All is well.  Practice social distancing, get out into the woods with family members, go to the grocery stores bright and early to avoid crowds of virus carrying morons, and try to see the good in people and society the best you can.  We are currently living thru history right now.  This is an unprecedented event we are seeing in our life time.  Not in history, but in our life time.  See you all out on the trout stream.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on March 19, 2020, 08:26:34 AM
I might "see" ya on the trout stream, but at a distance.  :o  I'm fishing by myself presently. No panic here, just being careful. My wife has a severely weakened immune system due to a neurological disease, and I'm an old fart. Trying to keep that shit out of my house if possible.
As far as guns and ammo goes, I have enough of both. I ain't expecting a Zombie Apocalypse.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 19, 2020, 08:55:31 AM
I am guilty of "stocking up", "hoarding" – whatever you call it.  Chew and pipe tobacco are my items of stockpiling.   It would be nice if I had access to some weed.  Perfect time for indulging.  I've been eating ramps daily; combine the odorous me with the social distance/virus protocol and you would have the perfect storm for safely remaining baked.  No authority in their correct mind would approach you.  They would likely not arrest you --- don't want anymore jailbirds.  And if they did write you up, your case would not come before the judge for months, maybe years, and hell, we might not be around then anyway.   
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on March 19, 2020, 09:12:36 AM
I bought a modest amount of ammo for the .308. between the shotguns and the .22, I'm good.I've got enough deer in the 'hood and fish in the streams to keep us in protein if need be. We planted a mess of lettuce and spinach on Sunday. The trick will be trying to keep a paycheck showing up as things grind to a halt.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 19, 2020, 09:50:46 AM
Strategic preparation should not be mistaken for dumb hoarding.  Hoarding milk and bread is beyond dumb.

Phil, I never left the land.  I took subsistance gardening inside the city limits. I suspect scarcity will show itself soon, then will come inflation.

I have no faith the US will emerge from this episode with any grace unless a vaccine becomes available within a month.  The nation is flush with hubris and oblivion, and will not learn from the Koreans. Our lack of focus has already doomed us.  This could get worse than WWII. The last war fought on our soil was the Civil War. There has never been a time where people simmply could not be productive due to an internal existential threat in the last !00 years.

The US does not behave like a first world country, or the leader of the free world.

People are still putting chew in their mouth while filling up with gas along the interstate.   People are still coughing on each other.  Some still think this is a political conspiracy. We're doomed.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on March 19, 2020, 09:58:21 AM
Quote from: Onslow on March 19, 2020, 09:50:46 AMSome still think this is a political conspiracy. We're doomed.

I have had people close to me say they believe this virus was China's way of making Trump lose the election because this virus will kill a lot of the old people that vote for Trump. It was one of those moments where you laugh at the statement and then slowly stop laughing when you notice they are being serious. . . . .
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 19, 2020, 10:42:21 AM
This just in; Burlington "Gun Store" best sales of all 240 stores in chain!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 19, 2020, 13:43:33 PM
Just saw that the Frogs may have made a treatment breakthrough with an existing malaria drug.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 19, 2020, 13:47:10 PM
Quote from: Onslow on March 19, 2020, 09:50:46 AMStrategic preparation should not be mistaken for dumb hoarding.  Hoarding milk and bread is beyond dumb.

Phil, I never left the land.  I took subsistance gardening inside the city limits. I suspect scarcity will show itself soon, then will come inflation.

I have no faith the US will emerge from this episode with any grace unless a vaccine becomes available within a month.  The nation is flush with hubris and oblivion, and will not learn from the Koreans. Our lack of focus has already doomed us.  This could get worse than WWII. The last war fought on our soil was the Civil War. There has never been a time where people simmply could not be productive due to an internal existential threat in the last !00 years.

The US does not behave like a first world country, or the leader of the free world.

People are still putting chew in their mouth while filling up with gas along the interstate.   People are still coughing on each other.  Some still think this is a political conspiracy. We're doomed.

I wear a glove while I'm pumping gas beside the interstate, then take it off and put the chew in my mouth. :)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on March 19, 2020, 15:03:58 PM
"Some still think this is a political conspiracy. We're doomed."

 We've been "doomed" since I remember. Cuba Russia Atom Bomb Vietnam Middle East Aids Flu Ebola Muslim Terrorists Nixon Reagan Carter Clinton Bushes Trump Bernie Socialists Commies Mass Shooters Right-Wing Racists Corona Virus... want me to go on? Take yer pick.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 19, 2020, 15:16:17 PM
Quote from: Phil on March 19, 2020, 15:03:58 PM"Some still think this is a political conspiracy. We're doomed."

 We've been "doomed" since I remember. Cuba Russia Atom Bomb Vietnam Middle East Aids Flu Ebola Muslim Terrorists Nixon Reagan Carter Clinton Bushes Trump Bernie Socialists Commies Mass Shooters Right-Wing Racists Corona Virus... want me to go on? Take yer pick.
Yep. And life still has a 100% mortality rate. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 19, 2020, 16:14:57 PM
Now this moron!
maybe he'll get a vacation in Jail (https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/florida-governor-says-partys-over-for-spring-breakers-amid-coronavirus-crisis/?%20umm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app)

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 19, 2020, 19:20:58 PM
Math is a bitch.

.06 % of the general population in Italy are infected with covid 19.

8.9 % of the docs in Italy are infected

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 22, 2020, 08:51:34 AM
Just heard of a possible silver lining from our global virus conundrum.  Decreased human daily activity = positive influence on climate change.           
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 22, 2020, 12:48:59 PM
Great Smoky Mountains National Park closes campgrounds, restrooms due to coronavirus

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/great-smoky-mountains-national-park-closes-campgrounds-restrooms-due-to-coronavirus/ar-BB11xMkZ

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: driver on March 22, 2020, 19:55:54 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 22, 2020, 08:51:34 AMJust heard of a possible silver lining from our global virus conundrum.  Decreased human daily activity = positive influence on climate change.           

This is mind blowing.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/asia/china-pollution-coronavirus-hnk-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/asia/china-pollution-coronavirus-hnk-intl/index.html)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on March 22, 2020, 20:30:47 PM
Quote from: driver on March 22, 2020, 19:55:54 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 22, 2020, 08:51:34 AMJust heard of a possible silver lining from our global virus conundrum.  Decreased human daily activity = positive influence on climate change.           

This is mind blowing.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/asia/china-pollution-coronavirus-hnk-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/asia/china-pollution-coronavirus-hnk-intl/index.html)

I saw this earlier and the same reaction.
If you want to debate this shit, you are a special kind of stupid.
Stop polluting, nature starts to cure itself. If, if, we have not gone to far.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Sedition and Pockets on March 22, 2020, 23:43:53 PM
The local propertied classes are scrambling to make a few bucks off this.  All capitalism is disaster capitalism.

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 23, 2020, 08:29:29 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 22, 2020, 12:48:59 PMGreat Smoky Mountains National Park closes campgrounds, restrooms due to coronavirus

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/great-smoky-mountains-national-park-closes-campgrounds-restrooms-due-to-coronavirus/ar-BB11xMkZ



I pee in fruit juice bottle.  Stopping at a public restroom is about a sensible as licking an airplane toilet seat.  Snowbirds from Canada are keeping things hot on the freeway.  All of the Florida goodness is being sowed along our interstate highway facilities.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 23, 2020, 09:48:09 AM
Quote from: Sedition and Pockets on March 22, 2020, 23:43:53 PMThe local propertied classes are scrambling to make a few bucks off this.  All capitalism is disaster capitalism.

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"The mountain air is crisp and virus free..."

Except for those COVID cases starting to stack up in Buncombe County...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Sedition and Pockets on March 23, 2020, 12:22:16 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on March 23, 2020, 09:48:09 AM
Quote from: Sedition and Pockets on March 22, 2020, 23:43:53 PMThe local propertied classes are scrambling to make a few bucks off this.  All capitalism is disaster capitalism.

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"The mountain air is crisp and virus free..."

Except for those COVID cases starting to stack up in Buncombe County...

One of the owners of this company literally works for Mission.  It's completely incomprehensible outside of the framework of self-absorbed greed.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 23, 2020, 22:06:05 PM
A half-dozen state parks are now completely closed, including Hanging Rock in Stokes County and Crowders Mountain west of Charlotte. Campgrounds in all North Carolina national forests closed on Monday though at least mid-May.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on March 24, 2020, 08:35:59 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 23, 2020, 22:06:05 PMA half-dozen state parks are now completely closed, including Hanging Rock in Stokes County and Crowders Mountain west of Charlotte. Campgrounds in all North Carolina national forests closed on Monday though at least mid-May.

Come April I may be camping in my front yard like a little kid.  b';   -p-
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 24, 2020, 12:52:53 PM
Hopefully Big J can explain this logic.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/liberty-welcomes-students-back-from-break-despite-coronavirus/ar-BB11E5F4?ocid=primedhp
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on March 24, 2020, 13:30:14 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 24, 2020, 12:52:53 PMHopefully Big J can explain this logic.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/liberty-welcomes-students-back-from-break-despite-coronavirus/ar-BB11E5F4?ocid=primedhp

Don't look at me to try and explain this.  He was really being bullheaded about moving classes online when the school already has the online infrastructure in place considering it has the 2nd largest online program in the world.  My understanding is it is just degrees that require in-person hands on teaching.  Med school, nursing program, etc. But then again everything he says isn't aligned with what actually happens.  I really try not to read too much Falwell Jr. stuff because it is a little depressing. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 24, 2020, 16:20:52 PM
Meanwhile, the entire GSMNP has closed. This is overblown, ridiculous ignorance. I can go to Walmart, but I can't go somewhere back in the woods three miles from another human? This is absurd stupidity, and somebody needs to pay for hyping this panic.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on March 24, 2020, 18:58:40 PM
SNP has shut the AT and the shelters. All facilities are closed. Fishing is open. Most trails are open. (They have closed high volume, stupid human trails.)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 24, 2020, 20:44:15 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on March 24, 2020, 16:20:52 PMMeanwhile, the entire GSMNP has closed. This is overblown, ridiculous ignorance. I can go to Walmart, but I can't go somewhere back in the woods three miles from another human? This is absurd stupidity, and somebody needs to pay for hyping this panic.

I would think they are concerned about bathrooms and the like .. doesn't make sense for a lot of people but you have to take care of the lowest common denominator
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 24, 2020, 21:53:52 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 24, 2020, 20:44:15 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on March 24, 2020, 16:20:52 PMMeanwhile, the entire GSMNP has closed. This is overblown, ridiculous ignorance. I can go to Walmart, but I can't go somewhere back in the woods three miles from another human? This is absurd stupidity, and somebody needs to pay for hyping this panic.

I would think they are concerned about bathrooms and the like .. doesn't make sense for a lot of people but you have to take care of the lowest common denominator

People will just steal the toilet paper and hand sanitizer
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 25, 2020, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 24, 2020, 20:44:15 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on March 24, 2020, 16:20:52 PMMeanwhile, the entire GSMNP has closed. This is overblown, ridiculous ignorance. I can go to Walmart, but I can't go somewhere back in the woods three miles from another human? This is absurd stupidity, and somebody needs to pay for hyping this panic.

I would think they are concerned about bathrooms and the like .. doesn't make sense for a lot of people but you have to take care of the lowest common denominator

They already had campgrounds, picnic areas, and bathrooms closed. Closing the backcountry is stupid.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on March 25, 2020, 09:56:22 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on March 25, 2020, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 24, 2020, 20:44:15 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on March 24, 2020, 16:20:52 PMMeanwhile, the entire GSMNP has closed. This is overblown, ridiculous ignorance. I can go to Walmart, but I can't go somewhere back in the woods three miles from another human? This is absurd stupidity, and somebody needs to pay for hyping this panic.

I would think they are concerned about bathrooms and the like .. doesn't make sense for a lot of people but you have to take care of the lowest common denominator

They already had campgrounds, picnic areas, and bathrooms closed. Closing the backcountry is stupid.

Agreed for sure.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 25, 2020, 16:13:03 PM
https://nbc25news.com/news/state/thieves-steal-toilet-paper-at-sleeping-bear-dunes-restrooms
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on March 25, 2020, 16:37:18 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 25, 2020, 16:13:03 PMhttps://nbc25news.com/news/state/thieves-steal-toilet-paper-at-sleeping-bear-dunes-restrooms

Assholes abound.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 25, 2020, 16:40:16 PM
I witnessed a poor old feller steal about 6 rolls of toilet paper from the Yadkin River park facility at Yadkinville Rd.  I thought he may had been a city employee until I noticed him depositing the tissue in his car.  This was last Thursday.  I went to the river to piss.  No way in hell I'm entering a public restroom with doors.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on March 26, 2020, 14:11:57 PM
https://keprtv.com/news/local/recreational-fishing-banned-statewide-fish-and-wildlife-says (https://keprtv.com/news/local/recreational-fishing-banned-statewide-fish-and-wildlife-says)

 :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: ARontheFly on March 26, 2020, 14:28:22 PM
Quote from: Big J on March 26, 2020, 14:11:57 PMhttps://keprtv.com/news/local/recreational-fishing-banned-statewide-fish-and-wildlife-says (https://keprtv.com/news/local/recreational-fishing-banned-statewide-fish-and-wildlife-says)

 :o

Shit just got real.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on March 26, 2020, 15:37:21 PM
Frack !  They gonna turn me into a criminal.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 26, 2020, 17:40:36 PM
Quote from: ARontheFly on March 26, 2020, 14:28:22 PM
Quote from: Big J on March 26, 2020, 14:11:57 PMhttps://keprtv.com/news/local/recreational-fishing-banned-statewide-fish-and-wildlife-says (https://keprtv.com/news/local/recreational-fishing-banned-statewide-fish-and-wildlife-says)

 :o

Shit just got real.

damn bait casters...

should be exceptions for the long rodders   d:b
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: hcrum87hc on March 27, 2020, 08:02:50 AM
Quote from: Big J on March 26, 2020, 14:11:57 PMhttps://keprtv.com/news/local/recreational-fishing-banned-statewide-fish-and-wildlife-says (https://keprtv.com/news/local/recreational-fishing-banned-statewide-fish-and-wildlife-says)

 :o

Thankfully, hiking a couple miles into a stream tends to weed out most other fishermen.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 27, 2020, 08:23:13 AM
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Umstead State Park Raleigh with 20 miles of trails


Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 27, 2020, 08:53:55 AM
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now they won't let the kids fish for the ditch bass...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: hcrum87hc on March 27, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
All state parks just closed in SC through the end of April.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 27, 2020, 13:43:25 PM
Quote from: hcrum87hc on March 27, 2020, 12:44:51 PMAll state parks just closed in SC through the end of April.

fuckers....

my carp pond is posted as being closed, but that's not stopping me so far....
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 27, 2020, 13:48:02 PM
LEXINGTON, N.C. -- The City of Lexington will soon be under a curfew, according to a notice from city officials.

Mayor Newell Clark has enacted a public safety curfew beginning Saturday. Under this curfew, people may not travel on any public streets, alleys or roadways or visit public property between the hours of 9 p.m. and 5 a.m.

The curfew is set to remain in place until midnight of April 18.

People in search of medical help, food or other necessary commodities or services are exempt.

https://myfox8.com/news/coronavirus/lexington-enacts-curfew-to-prevent-spread-of-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR0Hlt9LqhD6vYMS3p_5av9gkYpL1gXo_4KQQ_Rwb6onRsWnXFzAnvS8SnI
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 27, 2020, 13:54:21 PM
it is, for me, insanely difficult to understand how fast and far this virus is spreading...

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 27, 2020, 14:32:50 PM
Park closures
Due to declared state of emergency in various counties, beach closures and continued crowding that does not adhere to social distancing guidelines, the following parks are closed (underlined parks are newly closed as of Friday, March 27):
Chimney Rock at Chimney Rock State Park (Eagle Rock and Rumbling Bald accesses are open)
Crowders Mountain State Park
Elk Knob State Park
Fort Fisher State Recreation Area
Fort Macon State Park
Gorges State Park
Grandfather Mountain State Park
Hanging Rock State Park
Jockey's Ridge State Park (open to residents of Dare County only)
Lake James State Park
Lake Waccamaw State Park
Morrow Mountain State Park
Mount Jefferson State Natural Area
Mount Mitchell State Park
New River State Park
Pilot Mountain State Park
Raven Rock State Park
South Mountains State Park
Stone Mountain State Park
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on March 28, 2020, 20:31:42 PM
I just read where graham county NC is closed to all non residents.


https://www.wbir.com/article/news/graham-county-shuts-down-closing-off-access-to-cherohala-skyway/51-8a66e0e4-59a6-4c51-81fc-904f49f973fa
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 28, 2020, 21:19:29 PM
https://youtu.be/e0-2XxgHIXk
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on March 29, 2020, 07:19:41 AM
Quote from: greg on March 28, 2020, 20:31:42 PMI just read where graham county NC is closed to all non residents.


https://www.wbir.com/article/news/graham-county-shuts-down-closing-off-access-to-cherohala-skyway/51-8a66e0e4-59a6-4c51-81fc-904f49f973fa


Yep. My son and his wife live in Robbinsville where she is the head doctor at the only clinic. The county is completely closed off to non-essential/non-resident entry.  Concrete barriers with law enforcement checkpoints.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 29, 2020, 08:46:38 AM
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 29, 2020, 18:03:42 PM
Quote from: Phil on March 29, 2020, 07:19:41 AM
Quote from: greg on March 28, 2020, 20:31:42 PMI just read where graham county NC is closed to all non residents.


https://www.wbir.com/article/news/graham-county-shuts-down-closing-off-access-to-cherohala-skyway/51-8a66e0e4-59a6-4c51-81fc-904f49f973fa


Yep. My son and his wife live in Robbinsville where she is the head doctor at the only clinic. The county is completely closed off to non-essential/non-resident entry.  Concrete barriers with law enforcement checkpoints.

Heard rumors Friday Avery was working similar regs.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on March 29, 2020, 18:40:06 PM
Quote from: Onslow on March 29, 2020, 18:03:42 PM
Quote from: Phil on March 29, 2020, 07:19:41 AM
Quote from: greg on March 28, 2020, 20:31:42 PMI just read where graham county NC is closed to all non residents.


https://www.wbir.com/article/news/graham-county-shuts-down-closing-off-access-to-cherohala-skyway/51-8a66e0e4-59a6-4c51-81fc-904f49f973fa


Yep. My son and his wife live in Robbinsville where she is the head doctor at the only clinic. The county is completely closed off to non-essential/non-resident entry.  Concrete barriers with law enforcement checkpoints.

Heard rumors Friday Avery was working similar regs.

Avery? Damn. Gettin' close to home.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on March 29, 2020, 20:02:59 PM
In case you didn't see it - We are in this thing for at least another month. President is following CDC recommendations and declared end of April now.

Be safe and stay healthy folks.
 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 29, 2020, 20:04:34 PM
Don't think this will be over in a month.  Maybe 18 months.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on March 29, 2020, 20:09:51 PM
Quote from: Onslow on March 29, 2020, 20:04:34 PMDon't think this will be over in a month.  Maybe 18 months.

Yep. The science says so. Trump is whitewashing it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 29, 2020, 20:19:37 PM
Shit is going to hit the fan when supply lines are disrupted to the point to where people are without food for 48 hours.

The fact PPE is not generally available to the public is an epic disaster, and shameful.  NO ONE should be out and about in public without it. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 30, 2020, 07:04:32 AM
 As of Monday morning, the following North Carolina parks were closed:

   
• Carvers Creek State Park   
• Chimney Rock at Chimney Rock State Park (Eagle Rock and Rumbling Bald accesses are open)   
• Cliffs of the Neuse State Park   
• Crowders Mountain State Park   
• Elk Knob State Park   
• Eno River State Park   
• Falls Lake State Recreation Area   
• Fort Fisher State Recreation Area   
• Fort Macon State Park   
• Gorges State Park   
• Grandfather Mountain State Park   
• Hanging Rock State Park   
• Lake James State Park   
• Lake Waccamaw State Park   
• Lumber River State Park   
• Morrow Mountain State Park   
• Mount Jefferson State Natural Area   
• Mount Mitchell State Park   
• New River State Park   
• Occoneechee Mountain State Natural Area   
• Pilot Mountain State Park   
• Raven Rock State Park   
• South Mountains State Park   
• Stone Mountain State Park   
• William B. Umstead State Park
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 30, 2020, 07:34:20 AM
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/06/how-does-the-coronavirus-behave-inside-a-patient

A very very interesting read.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on March 31, 2020, 06:23:49 AM
Well, another unkept promise from Trumpsky. 🙁 Guess I won't need this new suit for Easter Sunday service. I had a hunch that would happen.
Seems to be a whole lotta hunchin' goin' on.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 31, 2020, 08:06:28 AM
Yep, it's all his fault. Damn him.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 31, 2020, 10:35:54 AM
reflexking.gif

gotta have survivor reflexes!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 31, 2020, 10:55:12 AM
The homebuilder that employs me has had a near record month for sales this March. We generally average just over 3 homes per month, but if all the loans are approved, there will be 11 sales going through completion to starts. Go figure.  Furthermore, if these go through, we'll have at least 25 starts in the hopper for this year already.

Home building is an "essential" activity.  I still am expected to go work.

Not gloating here, but am simply amazed.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 31, 2020, 11:25:08 AM
record low interest rates!

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on March 31, 2020, 19:25:25 PM
Had to shop today. Saw many more masks on people as compared to last week. Seems to be much disagreement as to effectiveness/necessity on the news shows amongst various doctors being interviewed. I say wear 'em if ya got 'em.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 31, 2020, 19:42:44 PM
All I have is my buff! Wear and wash!  d:b
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on April 01, 2020, 04:40:16 AM
Quote from: troutrus on March 31, 2020, 19:25:25 PMHad to shop today. Saw many more masks on people as compared to last week. Seems to be much disagreement as to effectiveness/necessity on the news shows amongst various doctors being interviewed. I say wear 'em if ya got 'em.

The SG is trying head off panic, hence saying the what he does.  From his perspective, the discussion is moot because few masks exist for the public to purchase.

The dumbass who says gloves do not help is full of it.  It is much much easier to wash a slick pair gloves while on hands then to wash bare skin, and finger nails.  An 8 year can figure this shit out.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on April 01, 2020, 06:09:54 AM
Yes, the SG means well, but I think trying to head off panic by lying to the public creates loss of credibility for the liar and everyone associated with him, thus creating "a cure that is worse than the problem itself". And "leadership" has already warned us against entering that slippery slope. Taken to extreme, the source of the lies becomes nothing more than the brunt of jokes and every standup comedian's dream.
https://youtu.be/U2pMkW7EwSc
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 01, 2020, 13:03:24 PM
http://wxii12.com/article/graham-county-coronavirus-roadblocks-ban-visitors/31998766?src=app

Graham County Roadblocks!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 01, 2020, 22:07:12 PM
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 02, 2020, 21:26:37 PM
Got my gvmt money quick  d:b 

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on April 03, 2020, 07:06:16 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on April 02, 2020, 21:26:37 PMGot my gvmt money quick  d:b 

F5A67A0C-3DDA-402B-B64F-2282400F2804.jpeg

I see you did not use the Pornhub coupons I sent you.  Mail them to troutphisher when you get a chance. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 03, 2020, 12:18:30 PM
Designated Shopper coming to a community near you.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article241719196.html?fbclid=IwAR2sYQf_kaDykFNsp5tBioPwI4bNinuh-79ojuHCkb5-HitBMB8SOWa8YXo
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on April 03, 2020, 13:52:35 PM
No brainer.  Leave the rugrats at home.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 03, 2020, 15:20:30 PM
Covid vs. US Daily Average Cause of Death

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on April 03, 2020, 18:33:23 PM
Good graphic, sad results.
But it's just another flu, huh?!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 03, 2020, 20:12:42 PM
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on April 03, 2020, 21:02:26 PM
Damn I just puked a little.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on April 07, 2020, 21:34:27 PM
Just saw where John Prine has passed away. This sucks.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on April 07, 2020, 21:37:25 PM
https://youtu.be/KOW-Eoms07c
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on April 08, 2020, 12:01:17 PM
Ya knew it was only a matter of time

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/04/07/coronavirus-update-already-struggling-small-businesses-in-south-bay-being-targeted-by-robbers/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: rbphoto on April 08, 2020, 12:38:12 PM
I rather focus on the good that is happening in our community:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/food-for-the-frontline-upstate-sc?utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2C6YHEgrKPt9sVm2dC5wQfMXdn0Yao-XsQ6Aqcq7MoJ7sm6QAen-8UO40


I get the rest of the story from my healthcare family & friends.  Some good, some not so good.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on April 08, 2020, 15:34:37 PM
Is anyone else using Instacart? 

We tried our first delivery yesterday from a CVS after a 3 day wait. Just a few things to see how it went:  ice cream, eggs, nuts, soup, candy. 

Prices are higher than in the store, and we tipped 15%, but ... I have some health issues, and I'm not wanting to mingle in the stores.  It worked well for us. 

Big order from the grocery scheduled to arrive Friday 5 days after the order.  A friend said not to expect a full order; he had several items that were out-of-stock on delivery day.  We'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on April 08, 2020, 16:16:30 PM
Going to do our first Kroger pickup order tomorrow.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 08, 2020, 17:48:20 PM
I did a Lowe's Food pick up the other day. Worked out pretty good. Made an instore beer run and picked up some other stuff today. not many customers at all. No face mask on cashier.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on April 08, 2020, 17:56:59 PM
http://youtu.be/0cQA6d3adPs

Who the heck knew Goldfinger was still together playing? Blast from the 90's Posser Skateboarding days.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on April 14, 2020, 09:01:41 AM
Feelings of optimism are not welling up at the moment.  Corona viruses of all varieties are tough to nail down, and these facts are tough to come to terms with. Being hunted by a potentially lethal common cold appears to be the new norm from my perspective.  The whole vaccination hope appears to be a pie in the sky.

Perhaps someone more informed than I can make a different and compelling case for what is ahead of us all.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: rbphoto on April 14, 2020, 12:28:59 PM
I'm differently informed than you, but not in my mind any better informed.

The old adage about lies, damned lies and statistics stays in my mind most days.

I think there is faster learning about the spread of this virus than anything we have ever experienced, which is why things are changing with such drama and frequency.

The peak dates by state range wildly because they look at death rates, daily infection rates, hospital usage rates, etc.

Then there is the entire discussion about mitigation, isolation, stay-at-home, hammer & the dance, etc.

Testing has only hit about 1% of the US population with about a 19% infection rate among those tested - source:

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2wK_16lPoui2DZ2ZhNVMIRDGpHtyBxIUbK1VUGUjaxqTvsVTbz_740QLM#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

It seems like lower population dense areas are faring better than higher ones.  Makes sense to me.

I think this visual is very telling:

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1712761/?fbclid=IwAR2Tir_IgB47wPzQDTUu4FRGjQBiNdJySP24iXaJCc2vFZZ3C6mZQEhYfDQ

I think the wisest approach moving forward is going to be some form of the hammer & the dance strategy.

I just hope it isn't a 12-18 month long process.

I know I have fished twice in the last couple of weeks and plan to do a lot more in the coming weeks.  My sporting clays shooting is greatly reduced since only one local club is still operating, albeit with significant restrictions. 

My fly tying is getting better!


Raymond
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 14, 2020, 13:30:17 PM
Just looking at maps, I noticed that there are ZERO cases in four Boroughs in New York City

Richmond
Kings
Queens
Bronx

How is this possible?

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Never mind -- reporting errors
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on April 14, 2020, 13:43:16 PM
As people hold out hope for a vaccine:
"Two of the world's largest vaccine manufacturers - Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline - collaborate to speed up corona virus vaccine work."
"They said in a statement that they aim to complete all of the work required to file for regulatory approval by the second half of 2021."

The Cliff notes version? Remember the HIV vaccine we were promised? This will not be quick. Or painless. If you have elderly or compromised family and friends, this could be rough. My wife has some blood pressure and respiratory issues. And our 80+ mothers are locked down in assisted living. I'm resigned to losing some family and friends. Sigh. Big socially distant hugs, my friends.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on April 14, 2020, 14:11:03 PM
The common cold is probably the most well know corona virus.  Ain't no vaccine for it.  Some mastery over the influenza virus (corona) has been attained. If humans are struggling with the older aforementioned corona viruses, how in the heck to do we expect clear dominion over Covid 19?

Fauci stated we would never shake hands again.  I think we are struggling to come to terms with the new reality.

What really causes me heartburn is the seemingly complete inability for the "superpower" to manufacture simple PPE for the its own citizens. We were profoundly sick long before Covid 19 exposed the real sickness.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 14, 2020, 15:55:44 PM
Quote from: Onslow on April 14, 2020, 14:11:03 PMThe common cold is probably the most well know corona virus.  Ain't no vaccine for it.  Some mastery over the influenza virus (corona) has been attained. If humans are struggling with the older aforementioned corona viruses, how in the heck to do we expect clear dominion over Covid 19?

Fauci stated we would never shake hands again.  I think we are struggling to come to terms with the new reality.

What really causes me heartburn is the seemingly complete inability for the "superpower" to manufacture simple PPE for the its own citizens. We were profoundly sick long before Covid 19 exposed the real sickness.



QuoteThere are now 70 vaccine research efforts underway, according to the World Health Organization. Even with the resources of the two pharma giants, the world is likely to need multiple vaccines to meet the unprecedented global demand for a coronavirus vaccine, GSK executives said.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-sanofi-and-gsk-collaboration-timeline-details-2020-4
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on April 14, 2020, 17:48:37 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on April 14, 2020, 15:55:44 PM
Quote from: Onslow on April 14, 2020, 14:11:03 PMThe common cold is probably the most well know corona virus.  Ain't no vaccine for it.  Some mastery over the influenza virus (corona) has been attained. If humans are struggling with the older aforementioned corona viruses, how in the heck to do we expect clear dominion over Covid 19?

Fauci stated we would never shake hands again.  I think we are struggling to come to terms with the new reality.

What really causes me heartburn is the seemingly complete inability for the "superpower" to manufacture simple PPE for the its own citizens. We were profoundly sick long before Covid 19 exposed the real sickness.



QuoteThere are now 70 vaccine research efforts underway, according to the World Health Organization. Even with the resources of the two pharma giants, the world is likely to need multiple vaccines to meet the unprecedented global demand for a coronavirus vaccine, GSK executives said.


I think less than a third of all common colds are caused by corona viruses.  I believe we'll beat this sons-a-bitch #19!!!  It may take 18 months to 2 years, or at least we may be better prepared for the next one.  Hopefully we'll learn.

Must try to glean the positives -- multiple silver linings for me personally – driving less, spending less $, fortuitous reason to keep extra distance from the wife, relearning how to wipe my ass with crude naturals, no longer required to shake hands even with the dipstick kin – the list is voluminous.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 14, 2020, 20:14:52 PM
NC National Forest Closures

Too many people think that stay at home / social distancing means "vacation" let's party or go to a park

 https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2020/04/14/pisgah-national-forest-shuts-down-camping-many-trails-until-august/2988192001/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on April 15, 2020, 07:47:04 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on April 14, 2020, 20:14:52 PMNC National Forest Closures

Too many people think that stay at home / social distancing means "vacation" let's party or go to a park

 https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2020/04/14/pisgah-national-forest-shuts-down-camping-many-trails-until-august/2988192001/

I hate all the park closures, but that's the reason, damn it. The mountain trails, parks, Parkway, etc. are all PACKED with out-of-towners and out of state people right now. The only grocery store in Blowing Rock is full of tourists during a supposed stay at home order. It's crazy. Like you said, it only takes a case or two coming here to start a hot-spot.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 15, 2020, 07:52:44 AM
Got my Stimulus money  V:;   d:b  and nowhere to go...  :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on April 15, 2020, 08:32:36 AM
Quote from: Phil on April 15, 2020, 07:47:04 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on April 14, 2020, 20:14:52 PMNC National Forest Closures

Too many people think that stay at home / social distancing means "vacation" let's party or go to a park

 https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2020/04/14/pisgah-national-forest-shuts-down-camping-many-trails-until-august/2988192001/

I hate all the park closures, but that's the reason, damn it. The mountain trails, parks, Parkway, etc. are all PACKED with out-of-towners and out of state people right now. The only grocery store in Blowing Rock is full of tourists during a supposed stay at home order. It's crazy. Like you said, it only takes a case or two coming here to start a hot-spot.

I'm hanging out in my company vehicle at Ransom st.  This place seems dead to me :wave Tis a pity it is so cold and windy.  Conditions are not ideal for a moment on the Middle Fork during my lunch break.

The Elkin Lowes seems to be a social hotspot.  More patrons there than the stores in Greensboro.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on April 15, 2020, 09:05:19 AM
Quote from: Onslow on April 15, 2020, 08:32:36 AM
Quote from: Phil on April 15, 2020, 07:47:04 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on April 14, 2020, 20:14:52 PMNC National Forest Closures

Too many people think that stay at home / social distancing means "vacation" let's party or go to a park

 https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2020/04/14/pisgah-national-forest-shuts-down-camping-many-trails-until-august/2988192001/

I hate all the park closures, but that's the reason, damn it. The mountain trails, parks, Parkway, etc. are all PACKED with out-of-towners and out of state people right now. The only grocery store in Blowing Rock is full of tourists during a supposed stay at home order. It's crazy. Like you said, it only takes a case or two coming here to start a hot-spot.

I'm hanging out in my company vehicle at Ransom st.  This place seems dead to me :wave Tis a pity it is so cold and windy.  Conditions are not ideal for a moment on the Middle Fork during my lunch break.

The Elkin Lowes seems to be a social hotspot.  More patrons there than the stores in Greensboro.



Today is cold, and it's Wednesday. You should have been here this weekend, or on any sunny day at Bass Lake trails or the Broyhill Lake walkways and count the out of state tags. The grocery store has been busy with out of towners.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 15, 2020, 09:32:53 AM
Well, I've been traveling to the Smith River as often as I can.. I get gas in Winston ($1.49/gallon) and stop for ice at a self-service machine ($2.00 / 16 lbs) I don't stop anywhere in VA, and I don't have any contact with anybody! #staythefuckaway #businessasusualfordabugger

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Walkertown, NC

d:b

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 15, 2020, 10:45:21 AM
My Isolation Breaking Point
I can't wait for social distancing to end, so I can be alone again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/opinion/covid-fishing.html

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: itieuglyflies on April 15, 2020, 17:16:20 PM
I was so depressed last night about Covid-19, the economy, wars, jobs, my savings, Social Security,
retirement funds, etc. I called a Suicide Hotline and got a call center in Pakistan and when I told
them I was suicidal they got all excited and ask if I could drive a truck!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 15, 2020, 17:38:05 PM
not funny itieuglyflies....

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 15, 2020, 20:28:00 PM
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — The closure of all 56 Tennessee state parks has been extended indefinitely.

The announcement comes as officials at the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation continue to monitor health and safety guidance related to COVID-19. All parks had previously been set to reopen on April 14.

"We are grateful for the cooperation and understanding of Tennesseans during this difficult period," Jim Bryson, deputy commissioner of the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation, said. "We are extending closure of the parks in the interest of safety for everyone."


https://www.newschannel5.com/news/all-tennessee-state-parks-closed-indefinitely?fbclid=IwAR2WpgCrOAwI_gfxblLLrCLxgugu3irPuolnUjf7BZjq9ohz66tN5rwyFMM
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 15, 2020, 22:33:46 PM
This just in;

As stimulus checks hit bank accounts , gun sales pick up again!

Along with other sporting goods like kayaks, bicycles, home gyms and fishing supplies!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on April 16, 2020, 04:35:22 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on April 15, 2020, 22:33:46 PMThis just in;

As stimulus checks hit bank accounts , gun sales pick up again!

Along with other sporting goods like kayaks, bicycles, home gyms and fishing supplies!


Sounds like great stimulus for Chinese manufacturing.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on April 17, 2020, 06:15:34 AM
Found the whole essay to be rather entertaining.

https://www.davidwarrenonline.com/2020/04/16/the-world-cannot-be-fixed/


QuoteThose with a broader sense of current history, might observe that Nixon and Kissinger made a grave mistake by their "opening to China." But that was an argument I lost nearly half a century ago. China should have remained in isolation, until the demonic Maoist regime had collapsed. Here, however, I must not try to lure myself into the bottomless history of lost causes.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 17, 2020, 06:54:53 AM
https://www.boston25news.com/news/cdc-reviewing-stunning-universal-testing-results-boston-homeless-shelter/Z253TFBO6RG4HCUAARBO4YWO64/

>>>>>BOSTON — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now "actively looking into" results from universal COVID-19 testing at Pine Street Inn homeless shelter.
The broad-scale testing took place at the shelter in Boston's South End a week and a half ago because of a small cluster of cases there.

Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms.[/B}
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on April 17, 2020, 08:53:59 AM
Population density matters.  So does viral load.

Theoretically, Elkin and Surry county should be completely wrapped up with the virus.  Many here think Covid 19 is a joke.  They go to Lowes without PPE, employees rarely have PPE, people are eating lunch with bare hands after they shop in the parking area, people are talking in close proximity in parking lots, customers are standing beside barriers to talk to clerks, greasy spoon cashiers are not wearing gloves handling cash.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on April 21, 2020, 19:24:04 PM
I believe we're all intelligent enough to process this.

QuoteChinese scientists have found that Europe and America's East Coast have been infected by some of the most aggressive Covid-19 strains, as they discovered dozens of virus mutations. These destroy a host's cells faster than others.
The ability of the novel coronavirus to mutate has been previously vastly underestimated, a team from China's Zhejiang University, led by Professor Li Lanjuan, says in a new study. The group found as many as 33 virus mutations in just 11 coronavirus patients they examined in the city of Hangzhou.

The researchers say that 60 percent of the strains they discovered turned out to be entirely new. In a worrying development, they also discovered that the virus's mutations directly affect its deadliness. Their research revealed that the most aggressive type of Covid-19 could create a virus load 270 times greater than the least potent one.



The virus load is the measure of its quantity in a certain volume of bodily fluid, usually blood plasma. It particularly shows how quickly a pathogen could propagate through the organism and destroy its cells. Unfortunately for Europeans, one of the most aggressive strains found by the Chinese scientists appears to be similar to the one that has spread across the continent, particularly Italy and Spain, the pre-print of the study published on the website medRxiv.org revealed on Sunday.

The same strain came from Europe to New York, which has since become one of the worst affected US states. America's West Coast, however, appears to be infected by another, less deadly strain that arrived directly from China.

Nonetheless, that doesn't mean those on the West Coast have less cause for concern, as even less powerful strains can cause a serious ailment, the Zhejiang University team warns. They note that two of the observed patients, in their 30s and 50s, who contracted a weaker strain, still suffered severe symptoms.

ALSO ON RT.COM
Worldwide Covid-19 death toll soars past 170,000 – Johns Hopkins University
Most importantly, though, the scientists say their discoveries could affect the development of the much-needed vaccine, because a one-size-fits-all solution might not work in case of Covid-19.

"Drug and vaccine development, while urgent, needs to take the impact of these accumulating mutations, especially the founding mutations, into account to avoid potential pitfalls," the team says.

Globally, the novel coronavirus has thus far infected more than 2.3 million people and claimed more than 170,000 lives.


https://www.rt.com/news/486425-covid-19-mutations-deadlier-strains/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on April 21, 2020, 19:33:54 PM
Buckle down.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on April 23, 2020, 19:31:28 PM
Hallelujah!!!!  I now have optimism.
 
http://youtu.be/j8Sh8l68j7s
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 23, 2020, 20:11:45 PM
OMFG he is a moron
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on April 24, 2020, 06:54:17 AM
Covid19 from a NC physician's view -- everyone should read this.

"Let me introduce myself: I am a practicing ER doctor with a Bachelors degree in cell and molecular biology/genetics and a Masters degree in public health in addition to my doctorate.
COVID is not a flu. Not even a little. Here are reasons why:

1. It is a separate species. It is no more like influenza than you are like a hippo. DIFFERENT SPECIES.
2. It is an airborne virus. This means the tiny droplets can stay in the air for a full 2 hours. So if a person coughed in aisle 4 of Target 1.5 hours ago, they may be home now but their covid cloud is still hanging there just waiting for you to walk by and take a breath. Influenza is not an airborne virus. It is droplet spread- meaning someone has to directly crop dust you with their sneeze to get you sick. Covid is much more contagious.
3. Covid is more virulent. Virulence factor is a measure of how catchy something is. For example, the flu is like beer. It takes a bunch to get you drunk. Covid is more like tequila - A little goes a long way. You need to suck up a lot of flu particles to actually catch the flu; with covid, even a few particles is enough to infect you.
4. Covid has a longer incubation than the flu. When you catch the flu, you typically get sick in the next 1-2 days. This is awesome because it means you stay at home while contagious because you feel like a heap of fried garbage. Covid has a blissful 5-9 days of symptom free time during which you are well enough to head to the movies, gym or mar-a-lago while also being contagious enough to infect everyone you encounter.
5. Covid has a longer duration of illness than flu. With covid, you have a 5-9 days of blissful asymptomatic contagiousness. This then turns into about 1 week of cough and overall feeling like hell but still surviving. Week 2 is when things hit the fan and people end up unable to breathe and on a ventilator. Many stay on the vent for up to 15 days. 5 days incubating+7 kinda sick days + 15 days on a ventilator makes for 27 days of virus spreading illness, (assuming your don't just die of massive asphyxiation and body-wide collapse from overwhelming infection somewhere in that last week).The flu has an average incubation of 1-2 days and sick time of 7 days for a total of 9 infectious days. In the world of deadly viruses, that 18 extra days might as well be a millennia.
6. Covid is more deadly. A LOT more deadly. The flu has about a 0.2% mortality rate, meaning 2 of every thousand people who get sick with flu will die. On the contrary, the death rate from covid is reportedly 2%, so 10 times more deadly than flu. Ten times more death seems like a lot more death to me. Whats more worrisome is that 2% is actually incorrect because it doesn't kill kids so that skews the average. With covid, age is a major factor in survival. If we don't include people under 30, the death rate for adults is on average 4.5%. 9 out of every 200 adults that get this will die from it. Do you know 200 adults? Do you think losing 9 of them is no big deal? Since mortality increases with age in covid, the risk gets worse as you get older so if we put 100 grannies in a room with covid, only 85 would make it out alive to make pies and tell great stories of the old days... and that just sucks.

I hope that helps to clarify why covid is in no way a flu, why you are in no way a hippo, and why staying home is the only way for non-essential people to do their part while I spend my days at work covered in a plastic poncho, sucking air through a stuffy respirator mask, leaving my scrubs in my driveway, showering the covid off at 4am when I get in, and thinking to myself "now do u still think it was just a flu?" as I risk my own life with my face 2 inches from their highly contagious, gasping mouth while I slide the plastic tube down their throat and start up the ventilator."
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on April 24, 2020, 07:10:17 AM
So I noticed in the video above that trumpsky did suggest that the internal organ cleansing with disinfectant should be done by a medical doctor. Guessing he's concerned that some of his disciples may try it at home, like the guy that took the fish tank cleaner after shithead recommended chloroquine.
So see, he is learning.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 26, 2020, 14:39:51 PM
Gov Cooper: State parks to reopen in phase 1. Rangers: It's 'weird' without people around.

if all goes well in the fight against coronavirus, North Carolina state parks can reopen May 9

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article242261136.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 29, 2020, 12:32:47 PM
Rules from NJ when they open the parks on May 2!

Going to be a Real shit show with closed bathrooms!

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on April 30, 2020, 07:25:54 AM
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on April 30, 2020, 08:14:21 AM
Quote from: troutrus on April 24, 2020, 07:10:17 AMSo I noticed in the video above that trumpsky did suggest that the internal organ cleansing with disinfectant should be done by a medical doctor. Guessing he's concerned that some of his disciples may try it at home, like the guy that took the fish tank cleaner after shithead recommended chloroquine.
So see, he is learning.

Might be more to it than him just drinking fish bowel cleaner because Trump suggested it

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/04/homicide-cops-looking-into-death-of-arizona-man-who-drank-chloroquine-to-ward-off-coronavirus-report.html?fbclid=IwAR3AZYfnHbPQVCyowRKg_y4O-0WF545tXwBiOMJsSy6M1PCfo313a0hZ0VI
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on April 30, 2020, 18:30:29 PM
I'll raise Al. 😁


https://www.abc15.com/news/region-southeast-valley/mesa/pd-reports-that-mesa-chloroquine-phosphate-death-is-homicide-investigation-are-not-true
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on April 30, 2020, 21:57:06 PM
Quote from: troutrus on April 30, 2020, 18:30:29 PMI'll raise Al. 😁


https://www.abc15.com/news/region-southeast-valley/mesa/pd-reports-that-mesa-chloroquine-phosphate-death-is-homicide-investigation-are-not-true

Back at ya from the same source you posted - Mesa police said. "The death of Gary... has not been ruled a homicide at this time."
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on May 01, 2020, 07:08:57 AM
Let's call it a push Al. We are too old to be bickering about some dumb ass drinking aquarium chemicals. I gotta go see if I can find a place to fish, and I'm sure you have more important things to do as well.
Take care and stay safe. ✌🏼
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 02, 2020, 07:08:01 AM
A new short film by a Wilmington ad agency encourages Delawareans to show resolve and see a better future beyond the coronavirus pandemic.

The film is called "Greater Wilmington, April 2020 - See Togetherness, See Resolve, See the Future." It was produced by NuPOINT.


https://youtu.be/yv41566rNyo

https://www.delawarepublic.org/post/enlighten-me-wilmington-ad-agency-produces-short-film-showing-emptiness-during-covid-19
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 02, 2020, 13:56:39 PM
Austin park ranger's distancing reminder is met with shove into river

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200501/austin-park-rangerrsquos-distancing-reminder-is-met-with-shove-into-river


Austin Parks Ranger Gets Pushed In Water At Commons Ford from r/Austin


Video: https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/gbait0/austin_parks_ranger_gets_pushed_in_water_at/

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 03, 2020, 06:33:38 AM
https://youtu.be/Z89Q7rFGm8Y
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 03, 2020, 07:35:55 AM

New Rochelle Costco calls cops to help control chaotic crowds

https://nypost.com/2020/05/02/new-york-costco-calls-cops-to-help-control-chaotic-crowds/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=mail_app

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 04, 2020, 19:58:18 PM
This is why we can't have nice things


Security guard at Family Dollar shot and killed after telling customer to put on face mask
https://myfox8.com/news/security-guard-at-family-dollar-shot-and-killed-after-telling-customer-to-put-on-face-mask/?anvplayer-autoplay=0
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 05, 2020, 03:49:52 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on May 04, 2020, 19:58:18 PMThis is why we can't have nice things


Security guard at Family Dollar shot and killed after telling customer to put on face mask
https://myfox8.com/news/security-guard-at-family-dollar-shot-and-killed-after-telling-customer-to-put-on-face-mask/?anvplayer-autoplay=0

Unbelievable!  Somewhere in this wretchedness, there must be a lesson.   A warning that bad water will make you nuts?  Too many guns in the hands of too many crazies?  Sad, but perhaps wise, even with collateral damage, it may be time to let mother nature's virus take out the trash? 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 05, 2020, 11:41:58 AM
come on down and join the party in Raleigh every Tuesday...  <-;:

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 05, 2020, 20:05:47 PM
interesting post lifted from the bookface

QuoteFor a slightly different perspective at this moment, imagine you were born in 1900. On your 14th birthday, World War I starts, and ends when you are 18. Later in the year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until your 20th birthday. On your 29th birthday, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, the World GDP drops 27%. That runs until you are 33. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy. When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren't even over the hill yet. And don't try to catch your breath. On your 41st birthday, the United States is fully pulled into WWII until you are 45. At 50, the Korean War starts. At 55 the Vietnam War begins. When you are 62 the Cuban Missile Crisis threatens to end life on our planet as we know it. When you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends.
Perspective is amazing. Yes, we are in a challenging time nowadays. All times...all generations are challenged. Try to remember everything that those born in 1900 endured and accomplished, and have faith that we will endure as well.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on May 05, 2020, 20:40:37 PM
So many rules; so little enforcement. Lock Them Up
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 06, 2020, 07:39:35 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on May 05, 2020, 20:05:47 PMinteresting post lifted from the bookface

QuoteFor a slightly different perspective at this moment, imagine you were born in 1900. On your 14th birthday, World War I starts, and ends when you are 18. Later in the year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until your 20th birthday. On your 29th birthday, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, the World GDP drops 27%. That runs until you are 33. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy. When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren't even over the hill yet. And don't try to catch your breath. On your 41st birthday, the United States is fully pulled into WWII until you are 45. At 50, the Korean War starts. At 55 the Vietnam War begins. When you are 62 the Cuban Missile Crisis threatens to end life on our planet as we know it. When you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends.
Perspective is amazing. Yes, we are in a challenging time nowadays. All times...all generations are challenged. Try to remember everything that those born in 1900 endured and accomplished, and have faith that we will endure as well.

Interesting.  Rationalizing/analyzing in terms of numbers seems to suit me – juxtaposition, space, resources, abundance of peckerheads, etc. all correlated to the numbers.

The year you were born, there were ~ 76 million U.S. citizens.  At age 14, in 1914, there were around 99 million. At the end of the Spanish flu there were over 106 million inhabitants in the U.S.  In 1929 the population had grown to almost 122 million. At the end of the GD there were ~125.5 million.  When you're 41, the population of the U.S. is over 133 million.  The trend continues, and at 75 the Vietnam debacle is over, and the U.S. population stands at ~216 million.
 
Yes, you "endured", but does the increased numbers now make it more difficult?  And "faith", that confidence and trust without evidence, does little or nothing to comfort me.   I am consoled however by how nature is elastic and opportunistic.  Critters and vegetation now on holiday, taking over closed campgrounds, reclaiming unmanicured landscapes, etc. 

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 06, 2020, 08:01:24 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 06, 2020, 07:39:35 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on May 05, 2020, 20:05:47 PMinteresting post lifted from the bookface

QuoteFor a slightly different perspective at this moment, imagine you were born in 1900. On your 14th birthday, World War I starts, and ends when you are 18. Later in the year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until your 20th birthday. On your 29th birthday, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, the World GDP drops 27%. That runs until you are 33. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy. When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren't even over the hill yet. And don't try to catch your breath. On your 41st birthday, the United States is fully pulled into WWII until you are 45. At 50, the Korean War starts. At 55 the Vietnam War begins. When you are 62 the Cuban Missile Crisis threatens to end life on our planet as we know it. When you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends.
Perspective is amazing. Yes, we are in a challenging time nowadays. All times...all generations are challenged. Try to remember everything that those born in 1900 endured and accomplished, and have faith that we will endure as well.

Interesting.  Rationalizing/analyzing in terms of numbers seems to suit me – juxtaposition, space, resources, abundance of peckerheads, etc. all correlated to the numbers.

The year you were born, there were ~ 76 million U.S. citizens.  At age 14, in 1914, there were around 99 million. At the end of the Spanish flu there were over 106 million inhabitants in the U.S.  In 1929 the population had grown to almost 122 million. At the end of the GD there were ~125.5 million.  When you're 41, the population of the U.S. is over 133 million.  The trend continues, and at 75 the Vietnam debacle is over, and the U.S. population stands at ~216 million.
 
Yes, you "endured", but does the increased numbers now make it more difficult?  And "faith", that confidence and trust without evidence, does little or nothing to comfort me.   I am consoled however by how nature is elastic and opportunistic.  Critters and vegetation now on holiday, taking over closed campgrounds, reclaiming unmanicured landscapes, etc. 



I guess you could say the number of idiots were fewer and farther between  :drum.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on May 06, 2020, 19:05:26 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 06, 2020, 07:39:35 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on May 05, 2020, 20:05:47 PMinteresting post lifted from the bookface

QuoteFor a slightly different perspective at this moment, imagine you were born in 1900. On your 14th birthday, World War I starts, and ends when you are 18. Later in the year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until your 20th birthday. On your 29th birthday, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, the World GDP drops 27%. That runs until you are 33. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy. When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren't even over the hill yet. And don't try to catch your breath. On your 41st birthday, the United States is fully pulled into WWII until you are 45. At 50, the Korean War starts. At 55 the Vietnam War begins. When you are 62 the Cuban Missile Crisis threatens to end life on our planet as we know it. When you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends.
Perspective is amazing. Yes, we are in a challenging time nowadays. All times...all generations are challenged. Try to remember everything that those born in 1900 endured and accomplished, and have faith that we will endure as well.

Interesting.  Rationalizing/analyzing in terms of numbers seems to suit me – juxtaposition, space, resources, abundance of peckerheads, etc. all correlated to the numbers.

The year you were born, there were ~ 76 million U.S. citizens.  At age 14, in 1914, there were around 99 million. At the end of the Spanish flu there were over 106 million inhabitants in the U.S.  In 1929 the population had grown to almost 122 million. At the end of the GD there were ~125.5 million.  When you're 41, the population of the U.S. is over 133 million.  The trend continues, and at 75 the Vietnam debacle is over, and the U.S. population stands at ~216 million.
 
Yes, you "endured", but does the increased numbers now make it more difficult?  And "faith", that confidence and trust without evidence, does little or nothing to comfort me.   I am consoled however by how nature is elastic and opportunistic.  Critters and vegetation now on holiday, taking over closed campgrounds, reclaiming unmanicured landscapes, etc. 



India's population has grown by 340,000,000 since 1997.  Now that is a population problem.

The US has a self importance problem, which includes ironic delusions of supremacy.  Covid 19 has tested the US, and has shown the world including our adversaries what a fine collection bozos we've become.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 06, 2020, 19:25:44 PM
Quote from: Onslow on May 06, 2020, 19:05:26 PMThe US has a self importance problem, which includes ironic delusions of supremacy. 

I agree, and I recall this video.

http://youtu.be/VMqcLUqYqrs
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 07, 2020, 07:38:58 AM
y'all ain't going to believe this...

Alcohol, pot delivered to homeless isolating in San Francisco hotel rooms

QuoteThe city's health department defends the program as a way to keep COVID-19 positive addicts indoors.
KRON4's Maureen Kelly talked to a formerly homeless addict turned advocate who is concerned the city is blurring the line between harm reduction and enabling.

https://www.kron4.com/news/alcohol-pot-delivered-to-homeless-isolating-in-san-francisco-hotel-rooms/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 07, 2020, 08:46:55 AM
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full doc..
CDC-documents.pdf

The administration canned the CDC's plan on reopening the economy...

AP article... https://apnews.com/7a00d5fba3249e573d2ead4bd323a4d4
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on May 07, 2020, 16:40:03 PM
Damn, what an article. Just... damn.  b';
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on May 07, 2020, 18:59:28 PM
The algorithm shown is a bit complex for a nation where most folks want it all and want it now.
Live and Let Die
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 08, 2020, 07:51:01 AM
Carona good for bees?




https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200506-why-lockdown-is-helping-bees?ocid=ww.social.link.email
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on May 08, 2020, 09:21:46 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on May 08, 2020, 07:51:01 AMCarona good for bees?




https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200506-why-lockdown-is-helping-bees?ocid=ww.social.link.email

The pollution is the plastic foundation in the frame the lady is handling. Bees hate that crap.  That is why the wax looks like hell. 




Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 10, 2020, 08:59:21 AM
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 10, 2020, 09:49:50 AM
https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2020/05/09/excessive-littering-prompts-crackdown-cocoa-beach/3095434001/

"We encourage everyone to come and enjoy the beaches but pick up after yourself."

Yeah, right!  Pie in the sky, and further confirmation we are the greatest.  A pandemic brings out the best of people.

Littering, a topic that has consumed me lately, appears to be universal.  Rt. 39 leading into my beloved Mountain Grove has become a trash heap.  Before the virus, the local fire and rescue was making preliminary plans with VDOT for a volunteer trash pickup.  Now the rural thoroughfare is even worse.  As soon as this crazy shit is over, I'll make another push for action to collect and educate.  But it is damned hard educating rednecks and converting them to hayseeds.  I used to differentiate the two for my students.  A redneck is someone drinking a beer and discards the can or bottle out the window; a hayseed is someone drinking a beer and throws the can or bottle in the back of his/her pickup until they get home with access to an appropriate refuse container. 

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 11, 2020, 07:58:29 AM
Great Smoky Mountains National Park visitors crowd trails, pass barriers into blocked off areas on reopening day

https://www.wxii12.com/article/coronavirus-smoky-mountains-national-park-reopening-day/32428038#


This is why we can't have nice things...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on May 11, 2020, 08:45:09 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on May 11, 2020, 07:58:29 AMGreat Smoky Mountains National Park visitors crowd trails, pass barriers into blocked off areas on reopening day

https://www.wxii12.com/article/coronavirus-smoky-mountains-national-park-reopening-day/32428038#


This is why we can't have nice things...

Yep. They're doing the same thing up here along the BR Parkway, Moses Cone, Bass Lake, Trout Lake, etc. Even though the viaduct area on Grandfather is closed, hundreds of peeps are parking and walking to it. Huge weekend crowds everywhere. Shulls Mill rd. where it meets the Parkway (was closed last I looked) is so crowded with parked cars, picnickers, etc. it looks like a rock concert.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 14, 2020, 09:14:00 AM
https://youtu.be/h4PYj9Issqc
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on May 17, 2020, 05:24:03 AM
Hardship sometimes brings the best out people. 3 organizations in Elkin that serve the hungry, battered women, and troubled youth, all recently received collectively a largesse well over 6 figures from one person.  Each of the three entities will be receiving around 100k.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 17, 2020, 17:08:54 PM
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 17, 2020, 21:41:59 PM
Stupid Humans

https://medium.com/nwnc/stone-mountain-will-make-changes-after-saturday-incidents-6865087ae267


>>> "People [were] parked all along the park road [and] in the middle of the park road," Hall said. "[They also] started picnicking in the middle of the park roads."
As a result, park officials closed Stone Mountain until just before 4 p.m., as they worked to manage the crowd and the injuries. Hall said that beginning on Sunday, there will be a tighter limit placed on how many people can be in the park at one time.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on May 19, 2020, 08:58:18 AM
Hey Onslow -- from your post on the shoutbox - "Wilkes county now has 447 known cases of Covid 19.  That is about 1 in 150 people."
Is this correct? I'm not good at math. That sounds pretty grim, though!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on May 19, 2020, 09:37:40 AM
Quote from: Phil on May 19, 2020, 08:58:18 AMHey Onslow -- from your post on the shoutbox - "Wilkes county now has 447 known cases of Covid 19.  That is about 1 in 150 people."
Is this correct? I'm not good at math. That sounds pretty grim, though!

Yes, that is indeed correct.  The explosion in cases in both in Surry and Wilkes are what I find most alarming. For the longest time, cases were low, and case growth was flat. Many of these people work in poultry processing, and are hispanic, but contrary to prevailing opinions, Hispanics are humans, and are statistically relevant. Cases in my zip code have exploded also.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Native Fisher on May 19, 2020, 09:54:45 AM
Hispanic communities are being hit hard as they didn't adopt the safe distancing practices early on or not at all.  Also they tend to live in homes with extended families so more chance to infect larger numbers.  Poultry plant workers and their families are the vast majority of cases in my area.  Stay far away from workers and the plants if you have them in your area.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on May 19, 2020, 10:08:32 AM
Quote from: Native Fisher on May 19, 2020, 09:54:45 AMHispanic communities are being hit hard as they didn't adopt the safe distancing practices early on or not at all.

I do agree Hispanics are vulnerable due to living arrangements, but will respectfully disagree with the rest. The European Americans in around where I live are the most oblivious and reckless bunch I've come across.  They appear to never have experienced hardship.  The most cautious eating establishment I've come across is owned and operated by Hispanics. Tyson, Wayne Farms, and the American consumer are responsible for the whatever conditions these workers must endure. It is no secret what goes on in these plants, but we continue to support them through our purchases of their products. As a general rule, companies that are overly exploitive will fold.  One reaps what one sows.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Native Fisher on May 19, 2020, 13:22:04 PM
Unfortunately, it was happening here.  They were getting cases where people had been at large family gatherings after the state had announced restrictions.  A recent one went out of state to a national hotspot and brought it back. I understand that family and celebrations are important to their culture but you need to understand the circumstances and respect the state guidelines. My wife banned my daughter that lives in Richmond from visiting our house.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on May 19, 2020, 14:00:49 PM
Quote from: Native Fisher on May 19, 2020, 13:22:04 PMUnfortunately, it was happening here.  They were getting cases where people had been at large family gatherings after the state had announced restrictions.  A recent one went out of state to a national hotspot and brought it back. I understand that family and celebrations are important to their culture but you need to understand the circumstances and respect the state guidelines. My wife banned my daughter that lives in Richmond from visiting our house.

White extended family gatherings are nearly nonstop in my hood since phase I started in NC. I have no idea why. The risk level has increased at least 10 fold in the last two weeks. There is more socializing going on now than there was before the virus. Said gatherings do not consist of local fam, but people from all over the state, and some out of state. Main street is clogged with their cars.

When my wife goes to work, she sneaks around trying to avoid people.  She locks her classroom door, and shuts the blinds, and keeps the lights off to work. If not, people will expect hugs.  This is why school cannot start.  School could start back up this Fall if people were clear headed enough to follow protocol, but short attention spans, lack of discipline, and laziness will make any attempt to resume on site classes an epic disaster.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on May 19, 2020, 14:57:07 PM
"The risk level has increased at least 10 fold in the last two weeks. There is more socializing going on now than there was before the virus."
Agree, Onslow. Same happening here. People have no discipline or attention spans, or are just plain stupid, imo. I heard a Yahoo say, "We're smart enough not to get sick." He was standing with a group of people, none were wearing masks or gloves.  b';
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutfanatic on May 19, 2020, 15:58:48 PM
We are not even beginning to get over the hump yet.

Take your Plaquenil/hydroxychloroquine like our fearless leader and it'll be alright.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 19, 2020, 17:02:30 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/19/yellowstone-coronavirus-reopening-grand-teton-covid-19?CMP=share_btn_fb

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on May 19, 2020, 17:11:20 PM
 b';
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on May 20, 2020, 17:15:47 PM
https://www.rt.com/russia/489144-tula-nurse-protective-suit-bikini/

What a sweetheart
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 20, 2020, 17:21:55 PM
Phase 2 is green lighted

I'm still operating on Phase Zero
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 24, 2020, 16:47:17 PM
https://youtu.be/wdOY_mt3UlY
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 29, 2020, 01:54:47 AM
Official reminds public to avoid touching other people's balls https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uowPF_1589913311
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 31, 2020, 12:47:36 PM
https://www.facebook.com/100000754706789/posts/2818416751526787/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 31, 2020, 13:22:19 PM
https://twitter.com/a1iendays/status/1266947321872482304?s=20

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on June 22, 2020, 16:53:10 PM
I wonder if our hubris and individualism, coupled with firm tribalism, will get the best of us?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/doctor-believes-this-is-why-cases-are-trending-up-in-us-but-down-elsewhere/vi-BB15JQZL?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on July 02, 2020, 12:06:24 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on June 22, 2020, 16:53:10 PMI wonder if our hubris and individualism, coupled with firm tribalism, will get the best of us?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/doctor-believes-this-is-why-cases-are-trending-up-in-us-but-down-elsewhere/vi-BB15JQZL?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

Add stupidity and ignorance and I think ya hit the old nail square on the head.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on July 02, 2020, 12:22:03 PM
When our nation has a leader that will choose music themes such as this vs "Live and let die", perhaps we will again be viewed as a world leader.

https://youtu.be/4M7c-JOnPdw
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on July 28, 2020, 18:19:05 PM
So a well known person in my community went to Pawleys Island, took selfies smoking a cigar and various other pics, one of which had a caption saying, "what virus?"

This fella came home, hit the local stores, and promptly became very ill with the Covid 19. Both his wife and MIL have it also. They are in a high risk group.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on July 28, 2020, 18:37:33 PM
Thin the herd, I guess. Just don't get near my ol' ass.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on July 28, 2020, 19:02:46 PM
At least gubment funds are being put to good use.
https://news.yahoo.com/feds-charge-florida-man-fraud-030345465.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on July 29, 2020, 08:35:23 AM
I just ordered a half dozen white lab coats, with "Mountain Grove Medical Center" on 6 and my name (plus "Head of Epidemiology") on 1, embroidered.  A video will follow, which I hope will go viral, promoting fellatio (both administering and receiving) as a cure and prevention for our latest viral threat.  It is my hope that some of you guys will benefit.  COVID-19, only 19 or more hummers will cure you and keep the virus at bay.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dark-money-and-pac-s-coordinated-reopen-push-are-behind-doctors-viral-hydroxychloroquine-video/ar-BB17iepx?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on July 30, 2020, 19:35:01 PM
The anti hydroxychlororquine crowd may just have a Trump derangement issue. It is well known that many popular drugs such a statins can be quite harmful, and are over prescribed. Most supposed common cold treatments are not effective, but yet what do we protest? 

I'm for wearing a mask or respirator, hygienic behavior, social distancing, and could be moved to take the Trump drug for treatment until a vaccine is available.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on July 31, 2020, 04:48:41 AM
Initial projections regarding the number of people that will get sick, and die, may not have been far fetched. I fear we'll reach a tipping point well before Christmas. 

The dollar is collapsing, and with all free money going out the gate, It is a safe bet inflation will become an issue. With many Americans living well beyond their means, and our prosperity is a result of overspending, the worst is yet to come. When there is no incentive to behave, I believe may will start behaving very poorly.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 02, 2020, 09:48:47 AM
https://youtu.be/m_HZectGDlo

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 11, 2020, 15:23:19 PM
^^^ Now that's funny right there. :cheers
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on August 12, 2020, 19:06:09 PM
Good news perhaps?  Enough with the Cunty News Network.

QuoteOutside the US, researchers are also closely tracking the role of population immunity in national responses. Sweden, for example, did not impose a strict lockdown, and saw a large number of deaths starting in April. Since then, however, the number of new infections has declined. The nation's leaders said last week that children would go back to school unmasked.

"I would say in Sweden there is no doubt that immunity plays an important role, more than in other countries," says Britton. "Now this epidemic is slowly stopping."
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/08/11/1006366/immunity-slowing-down-coronavirus-parts-us/?itm_source=parsely-api

The graph is worth waiting for.

https://www.thelocal.se/20200724/why-are-swedens-coronavirus-figure-falling-so-sharply
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 28, 2020, 00:00:45 AM
An Eden nursing/rehab facility has lost 4 residents to the virus in the last several weeks, with dozens more residents and staff infected. A Madison facility is dealing with multiple infection as well And the local stores including Food Lion and Walmart are still failing to enforce the facemask policy that is posted at their entrances. Very sad. b';
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on August 28, 2020, 06:10:11 AM
Had an older lady come in my shop yesterday. She was asking how long does it take to order and get carpet sample? I told her usually about a weeek but with Covid it could take longer because mills are running behind. She said Covid is such a joke it's going away after election. Said she read that on the internet. I didn't say anything but know my expression had to say what the fuck?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 28, 2020, 08:29:15 AM
Ignorance abounds.
I don't envy folks that work directly with the public, particularly in these days and times.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on August 29, 2020, 11:30:21 AM
Quote from: troutrus on August 28, 2020, 08:29:15 AMIgnorance abounds.
I don't envy folks that work directly with the public, particularly in these days and times.

I work with the public, albeit with those who own homes worth over 200k from all walks of life, and ethnicity. In that world things are fine, with the possible exception of poor physical health due to poor dietary intake, lack of exercise, and pill popping. 

That being said, most US citizens are fragile and entitled. Many believe life should be a 3D printer product without burrs, or rough patches.  Earth does not give two shits about humans, and as long as peeps do not come to terms with these facts, life will be a struggle. Contentment is largely about rational expectations, and what kind of noise is between our ears.

If one wants to be find joy in life, document every unnatural convenience one enjoys, and be grateful for every plate of food, and every friend. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 29, 2020, 11:44:03 AM
Quote from: Onslow on August 29, 2020, 11:30:21 AMThat being said, most US citizens are fragile and entitled. Many believe life should be a 3D printer product without burrs, or rough patches.  Earth does not give two shits about humans, and as long as peeps do not come to terms with these facts, life will be a struggle. Contentment is largely about rational expectations, and what kind of noise is between our ears.

If one wants to be find joy in life, document every unnatural convenience one enjoys, every plate of food, and every friend. 

Good stuff!!! Sound wisdom!!! Add natural convenience and you have a chapter for your next book.

True, simple pleasures.   I look at Little Back Creek every morning while drinking my coffee.  It continues to run down slope and has not changed direction.  All is well. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 30, 2020, 11:31:17 AM
Guess the Rooster Fish trip with my son will have to wait for another time. Old as I'm getting, he may end up going without me in some future year. 🙁

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on September 08, 2020, 21:34:34 PM
The rally down at Smith Reynolds airfield is being considered a stupid spreader event.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on September 08, 2020, 22:08:08 PM
Quote from: troutrus on September 08, 2020, 21:34:34 PMThe rally down at Smith Reynolds airfield is being considered a stooped spreader event.

Yep, they will track that and anyone who sneezes within the next month will be blamed on Trump.

I guess there is no way to track the peaceful protesters, many of whom are traveling from a long ways off to join in.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 09, 2020, 06:51:26 AM
Quote from: Al on September 08, 2020, 22:08:08 PM
Quote from: troutrus on September 08, 2020, 21:34:34 PMThe rally down at Smith Reynolds airfield is being considered a stooped spreader event.

Yep, they will track that and anyone who sneezes within the next month will be blamed on Trump.

I guess there is no way to track the peaceful protesters, many of whom are traveling from a long ways off to join in.

I heard those attending had their temperature and IQ taken, and those with an IQ less than body temperature did not have to wear a mask.  A few participants however were offered Trump veils.  It appeared that red hats outnumbered masks.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on September 09, 2020, 19:21:26 PM
The irrational tribal nonsense is beyond stale.  Where was the dismay when universities held in person classes?  Where was the "you're killing our kids"?  Most were born with two ears, and two eyes.  For fuck's sake, use them.

For every action we take as humans, there is a price to be paid.  We're going down a road, completely oblivious of the consequences. 

The MSM hasn't learned a damn thing from 2016.  The MSM has gaslighted America, unstable folks have lost their minds, and shown their asses, and for this reason, Trump will most likely get four more years. America is getting what it wants, a spectacular civil war. No tragedy in the past 100 years will come close to the carnage we're flirting with, and no this isn't Trump, or Russia's fault.

Now for some wholesome news from Russia... Most news emanating from the US is one eyed gibberish.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/499800-covid-hoax-qanon-conspiracy/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on September 10, 2020, 11:40:29 AM
"...no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power."
P. J. O'Rourke

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
Issac Asimov
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on September 10, 2020, 20:14:43 PM
I was so happy to hear that our piece of shit president lied to us so as not to create a panic. So very considerate of him.  p;-

Now I'm waiting to hear the reasons for the other 20,000 lies for which he's been credited.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on September 10, 2020, 21:01:25 PM
Quote from: troutrus on September 10, 2020, 20:14:43 PMI was so happy to hear that our piece of shit president lied to us so as not to create a panic. So very considerate of him.  p;-

Now I'm waiting to hear the reasons for the other 20,000 lies for which he's been credited.
Quote from: troutrus on September 10, 2020, 20:14:43 PMI was so happy to hear that our piece of shit president lied to us so as not to create a panic. So very considerate of him.  p;-

Now I'm waiting to hear the reasons for the other 20,000 lies for which he's been credited.

So are you going to lie, and deny you've told little white lies to your spouse and kids to protect them?

Does opposing someone you regard as "evil" justify POS behavior on your part?  May we just exterminate those we disagree with, or we do not like the company of, and  just call them Fascist?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 11, 2020, 08:11:25 AM
Quote from: Onslow on September 10, 2020, 21:01:25 PMSo are you going to lie, and deny you've told little white lies to your spouse and kids to protect them?

Interesting question.  I don't recall fibbing to the wife and son in order to protect them.  Now, I've kept quiet on certain unpleasant, troubling, perhaps potentially dangerous, event(s) or news.  Mouth shut, brain engaged, then form a plan, a strategy, to combat the boogeyman. 
Ah, that's it!!!  A plan, a tactic to slow or halt the beast. 
 
I have no idea how many lives could've been, or could be, saved if the severity of the bug was truthfully conveyed to the public back in February.  If only one life, then honesty should have prevailed, with a plan – a freaking, clear, coherent strategy that all could rally behind.  Didn't happen. 

This was not a "little white" fib!  Apples and oranges

Wait a minute!  I have told the Mrs a little white lie, to protect her, to protect her mood.  Over the 34 years of bliss, I've told her multiple times she was not gaining weight.  Reciprocity has not occurred!  Damn it all, I need to discuss this with her this evening.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on September 11, 2020, 08:30:08 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 11, 2020, 08:11:25 AMWait a minute!  I have told the Mrs a little white lie, to protect her, to protect her mood.  Over the 34 years of bliss, I've told her multiple times she was not gaining weight.  Reciprocity has not occurred!  Damn it all, I need to discuss this with her this evening.

If you are physically able to afterwards, let us know how that goes. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on September 11, 2020, 09:07:14 AM
I do recall Trump being referred to as a racist for suggesting banning flights from China in January.  Biden and Pelosi were both negative towards Trump regarding this issue.  I'm no fan of Trump, but CNN's headlines regarding Trump being responsible for 100,000 deaths is nuts.

Should we also mention the Cuomo allowed flights into NYC from Italy for far to damned long.

Anyone with an IQ over 75 should have known the risks of Covid by mid Jan.  FYI, I know many Trump supporters who do not go into public often, and mask up.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 11, 2020, 09:42:19 AM
Quote from: Onslow on September 11, 2020, 09:07:14 AMAnyone with an IQ over 75 should have known the risks of Covid by mid Jan.  FYI, I know many Trump supporters who do not go into public often, and mask up.

I'll apply some oxymoronic logic to this.  So, there are some Trump supporters with an IQ above six bits?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on September 11, 2020, 10:37:59 AM
Quote from: Onslow on September 11, 2020, 09:07:14 AMAnyone with an IQ over 75 should have known the risks of Covid by mid Jan.  

I attended this fine institution.  I'd like to think the admission standards were higher in the 60s.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8719057/Ohio-student-tested-positive-COVID-19-throws-house-party-20-friends.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8719057/Ohio-student-tested-positive-COVID-19-throws-house-party-20-friends.html)

'That's why I'm at my house': Ohio student who tested positive for COVID-19 last week throws a house party for 20 friends - and tells cops he was quarantining by staying at home.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on September 11, 2020, 13:46:29 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 11, 2020, 09:42:19 AM
Quote from: Onslow on September 11, 2020, 09:07:14 AMAnyone with an IQ over 75 should have known the risks of Covid by mid Jan.  FYI, I know many Trump supporters who do not go into public often, and mask up.

I'll apply some oxymoronic logic to this.  So, there are some Trump supporters with an IQ above six bits?

"On average, a Trump voter would score in the 30th percentile, or have an average intelligence level of about 71, far below the 90 to 110 that is considered 'normal.' A non-Trump voter would score an average of approximately 96."

https://empirenews.net/study-finds-trump-voters-have-drastically-lower-iq-than-liberals/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on September 16, 2020, 05:28:16 AM
Just watch, it will all go away. 🤣🤣🤣

https://youtu.be/2V36ZA6QXLo
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on September 16, 2020, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: troutrus on September 11, 2020, 13:46:29 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 11, 2020, 09:42:19 AM
Quote from: Onslow on September 11, 2020, 09:07:14 AMAnyone with an IQ over 75 should have known the risks of Covid by mid Jan.  FYI, I know many Trump supporters who do not go into public often, and mask up.

I'll apply some oxymoronic logic to this.  So, there are some Trump supporters with an IQ above six bits?

"On average, a Trump voter would score in the 30th percentile, or have an average intelligence level of about 71, far below the 90 to 110 that is considered 'normal.' A non-Trump voter would score an average of approximately 96."

https://empirenews.net/study-finds-trump-voters-have-drastically-lower-iq-than-liberals/


Perhaps then they should vote in person rather than dragging the election result delivery out by relying so heavily on mail in ballots. This dragging will cause mayhem.  Sometimes folks would be better served to think about country over self interest.

People endowed with fine brains are not immune to making poor choices. A highly motivated below average kid can run circles around a bright, entitled person, who is too lazy to think. My wife has seen this too often during the course of her teaching career. The problem has become more acute lately.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on September 17, 2020, 06:05:04 AM
Would love to see this scene recreated with a black perpetrator.

https://youtu.be/DY273aQC63s
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 17, 2020, 09:42:17 AM
If he was black he would have been tazed, handcuffed and perhaps shot...

but what an a-hole...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on September 17, 2020, 11:33:07 AM
What a dick. People have lost their fucking minds.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Stone-Man on September 17, 2020, 11:46:50 AM
Asshole of the century
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on September 17, 2020, 16:51:13 PM
A bud of mine was dining in a restaurant once, and some no brain was smoking at the adjacent table. 

bud> Would you mind putting out your cigarette?

no brain> What does it matter to you?

bud>  Would it matter to you if farted right in your face?  Spo

no brain> Nervous laugh.  Puts cigarette out.

On a more serious note, 3 Elkin Elementary School staffers including the nurse have tested positive. Others are waiting for results. Plans were in the works for opening in person classes at the HS. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on September 17, 2020, 17:26:03 PM
Just saw Charlotte playing against App State a couple days ago. 🙁

https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2020/09/17/College-football-NC-vs-Charlotte-canceled-due-to-offensive-line-quarantine/1881600351936/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on September 18, 2020, 16:04:15 PM
I believe Elkin just experienced a super spreader event (funeral). A good many folk are sick, and several friends of my wife are ill, or are in quarantine.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 18, 2020, 17:54:19 PM
Quote from: Onslow on September 18, 2020, 16:04:15 PMI believe Elkin just experienced a super spreader event (funeral). A good many folk are sick, and several friends of my wife are ill, or are in quarantine.

Yikes!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on September 18, 2020, 18:30:47 PM
One concerning observation, one of the people affected is one who is very fastidious with her cleanliness, and always wears a mask.  She did have some contact with the public, but damn...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 19, 2020, 10:13:57 AM
We've only had 6 cases here in Bath, with 1 death which surprised me, because I had not heard of the 1 loss.  Highland, the county north, also has recorded 6 cases.

I am uncertain if our low infection rate will hold – fingers crossed but waiting for the hammer to fall. 

https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/coronavirus/covid-19-in-virginia-locality/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on September 19, 2020, 17:05:00 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 19, 2020, 10:13:57 AMWe've only had 6 cases here in Bath, with 1 death which surprised me, because I had not heard of the 1 loss.  Highland, the county north, also has recorded 6 cases.

I am uncertain if our low infection rate will hold – fingers crossed but waiting for the hammer to fall. 

https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/coronavirus/covid-19-in-virginia-locality/


6 cases!!!!! I'd be alarmed. That's got to be 25% of the population in Bath County!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on September 20, 2020, 18:23:43 PM
One of our local facilities in Eden lost three more in the past week. 11 deaths in a 112 bed facility is serious business. A dear friend of mine is an RN there and I worry about her every day.
8A506E21-63A6-41B1-8892-50F1C91A1258.jpeg
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on September 21, 2020, 17:15:26 PM
Four percent of world population and twenty percent of world covid deaths, and comrade trumpsky gives himself an A+ for "managing" the virus.
And there's still a bunch of dumb asses that support him. Unbelievable.  :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on September 21, 2020, 17:28:30 PM
Quote from: troutrus on September 21, 2020, 17:15:26 PMFour percent of world population and twenty percent of world covid deaths, and comrade trumpsky gives himself an A+ for "managing" the virus.
And there's still a bunch of dumb asses that support him. Unbelievable.  :o

What is dumb?  Folks not managing their personal heath, and living like dumbasses. That isn't Trumps fault.  Are you going to blame the spike of Covid cases occurring in France and England on Trump?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 21, 2020, 19:51:21 PM
Quote from: Onslow on September 21, 2020, 17:28:30 PM
Quote from: troutrus on September 21, 2020, 17:15:26 PMFour percent of world population and twenty percent of world covid deaths, and comrade trumpsky gives himself an A+ for "managing" the virus.
And there's still a bunch of dumb asses that support him. Unbelievable.  :o

What is dumb?  Folks not managing their personal heath, and living like dumbasses. That isn't Trumps fault.  Are you going to blame the spike of Covid cases occurring in France and England on Trump?

What do France and England have to do with our administration's response (or lack of) to the pandemic?  The dumbasses are those Trump lickspittles that are steadfastly embedded in the cult and feel he deserves a passing grade.

I'm pretty sure this young lady managed her personal health as best she could and was not "living" like a dumbass.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/09/doctor-adeline-fagan-coronavirus/

Hell yes, I blame Trump and his twisted sect for our present circumstance.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on September 21, 2020, 20:26:04 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 21, 2020, 19:51:21 PM
Quote from: Onslow on September 21, 2020, 17:28:30 PM
Quote from: troutrus on September 21, 2020, 17:15:26 PMFour percent of world population and twenty percent of world covid deaths, and comrade trumpsky gives himself an A+ for "managing" the virus.
And there's still a bunch of dumb asses that support him. Unbelievable.  :o

What is dumb?  Folks not managing their personal heath, and living like dumbasses. That isn't Trumps fault.  Are you going to blame the spike of Covid cases occurring in France and England on Trump?

What do France and England have to do with our administration's response (or lack of) to the pandemic?  The dumbasses are those Trump lickspittles that are steadfastly embedded in the cult and feel he deserves a passing grade.

I'm pretty sure this young lady managed her personal health as best she could and was not "living" like a dumbass.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/09/doctor-adeline-fagan-coronavirus/

Hell yes, I blame Trump and his twisted sect for our present circumstance.

No she wasn't, and this situation is very disheartening.

People all over the world are protesting over restrictions. This is more about white entitlement than a Trump issue. If Trump were to have never existed, the public would still behave the same.

I wore respirators for years for 25 hours a week due to dust. No one told me to wear them.  I simply wanted to live.  It isn't rocket science.

Lets open our eyes to some other concerns that are less newsworthy.

1.  Dining out. 

A family friend has Covid 19.  He recently contracted the illness due to dining with a person who was positive. Said friend is a Democrat, but I really respect this guy.

Everyone knows that saliva glands are active while chewing, and tend to spurt.  What is the point in wearing a mask, only to let one's guard down be chewing and ejaculating with friends?

2. Diet

I was listening to NPR today, and a show guest stated that people with blood sugar and diabetes issues are 12 times likely to descend into a severe case of Covid, and die.

Type II diabetes is curable/suppressible through proper dieting.  I would argue that eating/diet ignorance in America is a greater hazard than Covid.  Covid only brings a quick end to many who otherwise be sucking down little debbies, soda pop, and pork skins. Folks who subsist off this crap will endure much health misery, and die young anyway.

It is not politically expedient to pressure people to eat better.  Besides, there is too much money to be made from sick people, and junk food.






Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on October 01, 2020, 08:46:35 AM
So many people I know have been infected with the virus in the last two weeks. Reports of people showing up for work infected are disheartening.

I learned last night a lovely young lady my wife and I know well has fallen ill.  She is only 20.  Another lady 2 homes down the street also has been infected.

Many focus on the physical health aspect, but there is a potential for an infection bringing on large financial burdens.  It seems the wreckless are those most financially vulnerable.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on October 01, 2020, 08:48:32 AM
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I still don't have my restaurant/bar music gig. Can't sing with a mask, and 50% capacity doesn't give the restaurant 10 feet of clear space for my piano/guitar area.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 01, 2020, 11:10:41 AM
Quote from: troutrus on September 21, 2020, 17:15:26 PMFour percent of world population and twenty percent of world covid deaths, and comrade trumpsky gives himself an A+ for "managing" the virus.
And there's still a bunch of dumb asses that support him. Unbelievable.  :o

Could someone please explain to me what Trump, or anybody else, is supposed to do to "manage" this virus? Run around with a little net catching viruses out of the air? Or the ever-popular tell everybody to live in a hole under a rock for the next five years with a mask on? Seems like places with tighter restrictions seem to have just as many or more cases as those that don't. A man can't stop a pandemic, I don't care who he is. I don't expect Trump or Biden either one to "manage" this, because there is nothing they can do about it, any more than Woodrow Wilson could stop the Spanish Flu pandemic.

Managing my own risk of it is up to me, not some politician in Washington or Raleigh. People in my parents' and grandparents' generations walked around all the time in a world in which they stood a good chance of contracting tuberculosis, measles, influenza, typhoid, polio, smallpox and any number of things that killed people right and left. They didn't quit living and expect the government to make everything magically better, or blame the government because somebody caught a disease. They just went on with their day-to-day lives, like folks have been doing as long as there have been folks. To me, one of the worst things about this disease is how it has been so damn politicized, when politics has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 01, 2020, 13:44:37 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on October 01, 2020, 11:10:41 AMCould someone please explain to me what Trump, or anybody else, is supposed to do to "manage" this virus?

Yes, tell the nation the fucking truth! 

I do not blame Trump for the pandemic, but I do fault him and his administration for the untruths, and the lack of direction, lack of preparedness.  I also blame him for the dumbassed comments, like injecting disinfectants, not trusting science, pandemic will be over like a miracle, etc.

Lead by example with honesty.  All he has done is stabilize his cult membership.

Could honesty back in late January or early February saved lives?  Could have the pandemic playbook left by the previous administration saved lives?  We will never know.

If you think you've heard nothing but the truth from this administration over the last 3.5 plus years, then you have my condolences.
 
We've come a long way since the Spanish flu, or I think we have.  Maybe I am wrong, perhaps Darwin was full of shit and we have advanced little from our ape-like ancestors.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 01, 2020, 15:46:39 PM
Yaller, this is your guy.

"The biggest surprise was that the president of the United States was the single largest driver of misinformation around Covid."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-misinformation.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on October 01, 2020, 16:52:23 PM
What I find most bizarre about the governance side of this Covid nightmare is the odd amicable relationship between Trump and Gavin Newsom. Is this on anyone else's radar?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 01, 2020, 17:14:23 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 01, 2020, 13:44:37 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on October 01, 2020, 11:10:41 AMCould someone please explain to me what Trump, or anybody else, is supposed to do to "manage" this virus?

Yes, tell the nation the fucking truth! 

I do not blame Trump for the pandemic, but I do fault him and his administration for the untruths, and the lack of direction, lack of preparedness.  I also blame him for the dumbassed comments, like injecting disinfectants, not trusting science, pandemic will be over like a miracle, etc.

Lead by example with honesty.  All he has done is stabilize his cult membership.

Could honesty back in late January or early February saved lives?  Could have the pandemic playbook left by the previous administration saved lives?  We will never know.

If you think you've heard nothing but the truth from this administration over the last 3.5 plus years, then you have my condolences.
 
We've come a long way since the Spanish flu, or I think we have.  Maybe I am wrong, perhaps Darwin was full of shit and we have advanced little from our ape-like ancestors.
I have never heard truth from any politician, nor do I expect it. They're all crooked as fishhooks. You think president Harris will tell you the truth? If so, you're delusional.

I think if the Democrats hadn't had him embroiled in a witch hunt impeachment when this started, it would have helped. And if they hadn't fought his "xenophobic" efforts to shut down travel from foreign countries at that time. And if the MSM weren't fighting him tooth and nail, and everybody trying to gain political leverage from a pandemic that's killing people.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on October 02, 2020, 07:36:00 AM
Wonder what will be discussed to death in this thread today?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 02, 2020, 08:31:57 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on October 01, 2020, 17:14:23 PMI have never heard truth from any politician, nor do I expect it. They're all crooked as fishhooks. You think president Harris will tell you the truth? If so, you're delusional.

I think if the Democrats hadn't had him embroiled in a witch hunt impeachment when this started, it would have helped. And if they hadn't fought his "xenophobic" efforts to shut down travel from foreign countries at that time. And if the MSM weren't fighting him tooth and nail, and everybody trying to gain political leverage from a pandemic that's killing people.

When I hear someone say all politicians lie, I think they are in some way deflecting from the present administration's plethora of "alternative facts" and attempting to justify all the bullshit we've heard over the last few years.  Hell, I've even said the same to placate the supporters of this sham and deceit, in hopes of getting them to disclose more ignorance (I still take notes and am one Machiavellian son-of-a-bitch).  But I don't believe all those elected lie, and even if I did, I don't have to accept it.  I am at my wits' end when it comes to dishonesty. 

And I doubt even if the democrats, MSM, and any other entity that you feel has mistreated our leader had kissed his ass from day one it would have miraculously compelled the man to tell the truth.  I question if Wonder Woman's Lasso of Truth would even work on such a disturbed, unbalanced individual, but I am sure he would have attempted to grab her pussy. 

No apologies for being a contrarian and/or a dick in this situation.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on October 02, 2020, 08:44:24 AM
Dr Birx now has her perfect guinea pig.

https://youtu.be/d57zJr82dhQ
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on October 07, 2020, 08:19:39 AM
https://youtu.be/4tZVnbDq9B4
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 10, 2020, 09:05:53 AM
Can you contract 'bugs' from plasma?   STDs, ignorance, pathological lying, etc.?
 
The microbes hijacked from Stormy really would not bother me.  Remember, she sat on my lap back in the 90s when she was Stormy Waters; she was spotless back then.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/president-trump-says-he-would-love-to-donate-his-plasma-to-covid-19-patients/ar-BB19T9U8?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 10, 2020, 10:06:30 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/for-those-that-have-lost-family-members-to-covid-19-trump-s-words-are-like-slap-in-the-face/vi-BB19TuTR?ocid=msedgntp


Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Beetle on October 10, 2020, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 10, 2020, 09:05:53 AMCan you contract 'bugs' from plasma?   STDs, ignorance, pathological lying, etc.?



Too bad FatAl isn't here to answer that question.   
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on October 10, 2020, 11:48:50 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 10, 2020, 09:05:53 AMCan you contract 'bugs' from plasma?   STDs, ignorance, pathological lying, etc.?
 
The microbes hijacked from Stormy really would not bother me.  Remember, she sat on my lap back in the 90s when she was Stormy Waters; she was spotless back then.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/president-trump-says-he-would-love-to-donate-his-plasma-to-covid-19-patients/ar-BB19T9U8?ocid=msedgntp


The ignorance and lying has evidently been passed down to some of his kids.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on October 23, 2020, 08:03:33 AM
223,059 deaths in six months and the deplorables are saying it's no worse than the flu.  b';  IGNORANCE
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on October 23, 2020, 10:34:30 AM
Quote from: troutrus on October 23, 2020, 08:03:33 AM223,059 deaths in six months and the deplorables are saying it's no worse than the flu.  b';  IGNORANCE

I would argue it isn't ignorance. People want to do as they damn please, and social norms and order be damned. Both right and leftwingers are afflicted with these tendencies, and begit dismay, depression, and dispair for rational centrist folk. Seeds are being sown, and the harvest will be dreadful.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on October 23, 2020, 18:54:56 PM
It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the number tops one million by Feb.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on October 23, 2020, 19:41:26 PM
I'll be a bit of a semi-hermit the next 4 months. Shits about to get real.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on October 23, 2020, 21:31:13 PM
I have had a really bad cold for a day or two. Waiting on test results.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 24, 2020, 16:33:21 PM
https://trumpcovidplan.com/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on October 24, 2020, 16:50:53 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on October 24, 2020, 16:33:21 PMhttps://trumpcovidplan.com/
now that's funny as hell
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on October 26, 2020, 04:47:59 AM
Virus cases are spiking in many parts of the world. It's almost as though the scientists/health experts know what they're talking about. 🤔.  AMAZING !!!!!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 09, 2020, 08:44:35 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/denmark-overwhelmed-by-millions-of-mink-it-plans-to-kill-to-prevent-a-new-strain-of-coronavirus-is-turning-to-incinerators-and-chemical-drenched-mass-graves/ar-BB1aPSOt?ocid=msedgntp

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on November 09, 2020, 08:50:06 AM
that mink story is pretty crazy nuts... they have bred the best minks for 100's of years... devastating

send a bill to china....
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Sedition and Pockets on November 09, 2020, 08:56:59 AM
Quote from: troutrus on October 26, 2020, 04:47:59 AMVirus cases are spiking in many parts of the world. It's almost as though the scientists/health experts know what they're talking about. 🤔.  AMAZING !!!!!

It's almost like the capitalist system is incapable of taking the steps that would make this less of a fucking disaster.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on November 09, 2020, 12:57:46 PM
Quote from: Sedition and Pockets on November 09, 2020, 08:56:59 AM
Quote from: troutrus on October 26, 2020, 04:47:59 AMVirus cases are spiking in many parts of the world. It's almost as though the scientists/health experts know what they're talking about. 🤔.  AMAZING !!!!!

It's almost like the capitalist system is incapable of taking the steps that would make this less of a fucking disaster.

I don't blame the system, I blame collective stupidity on the part of our nation's inhabitants. We don't live in a post truth world, but rather a post reality world saturated with unearthly expectations of a painless existence, meds, drugs, and video games, junk food, and ingorance. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: rbphoto on November 09, 2020, 13:27:00 PM
Quote from: Onslow on November 09, 2020, 12:57:46 PMWe don't live in a post truth world, but rather a post reality world saturated with unearthly expectations of a painless existence, meds, drugs, and video games, junk food, and ignorance.

We live in a relativistic truth world, which is post-truth.  Truth is now defined as whatever someone wants it to be instead of  factual information.  It is by default a sentinel shift in the values of the culture.  It happens across the spectrum and is not limited to conservative, liberal, progressive, or any other label you can identify.

I won't argue about the "unearthly expectations" you mention.  I think you are spot on.  I will say that's not new, it just looks different than it ever has in our history.

Information gets bombarded at us when it happens, whether is has been confirmed or simply spun by someone's particular flavor-of-the-minute thought process. That drives peoples' fear, anxiety, uncertainty, and reactions.  People become protectionistic rather than investigative.  They let everyone else think for them instead of thinking for themselves.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Sedition and Pockets on November 09, 2020, 15:51:55 PM
Quote from: Onslow on November 09, 2020, 12:57:46 PM
Quote from: Sedition and Pockets on November 09, 2020, 08:56:59 AM
Quote from: troutrus on October 26, 2020, 04:47:59 AMVirus cases are spiking in many parts of the world. It's almost as though the scientists/health experts know what they're talking about. 🤔.  AMAZING !!!!!

It's almost like the capitalist system is incapable of taking the steps that would make this less of a fucking disaster.

I don't blame the system, I blame collective stupidity on the part of our nation's inhabitants. We don't live in a post truth world, but rather a post reality world saturated with unearthly expectations of a painless existence, meds, drugs, and video games, junk food, and ingorance. 


"Collective stupidity" is a byproduct of the system, and not just of the collateral damage sort.  It is essential to the operation of that system, and billions upon billions of dollars of resources are poured into fostering it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on November 11, 2020, 19:41:05 PM
It is going to be a great holiday season.  I plan to have 15 family members fly from all over this Thanksgiving to join me so may set the stage for a fabulous Christmas. I expect 3 family members to get Covid, maybe a couple asshole relatives will die.  Then we can sit in front of the TV and be in awe of how many are sick and dying. College footballs sucks anyway. We may have some 'sick leave' between the holidays to make life easier. We might not get bills because of disruptions at various enterprises that supply our homes with electricity, and gas. What the hell, it is warm.  Who needs heat!? Welp, the veggies are rotten in the fridge, and the canned vegetables are cleaned out at the local supermarket.  Lets celebrate the death of health food by eating 4 year old Little Debbies! 

Christmas is here!  There is no work, and no trash being collected, city water is in trouble due to the lack of chemicals available to treat it, and due to the lack of HR, Duke power haplessly hired a couple Iranian intelligence agents to fill vacancies due to people critical employees being out sick and dying. Feral dogs, coyotes, rats, and buzzards, are feeding on the bounty consisting of rotting human corpses. Raw sewage is being pumped into the rivers because, well, shit happens.  My employer has been hit by a ransom attack, and this time they weren't prepared.  Holy shit, the ubiquitous bank cybersecurity team fell ill, and experienced a complete breach, and some dude from Romania has stolen my identity.

Happy New Year! China is sending its military over for humanitarian assistance, and they are such kind people. 2021 will be better than 2020, I promise.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on November 11, 2020, 21:07:37 PM
Positive thinking ! LOL.
Small ball here. Local fam we have constant contact with, only. Only getting a half bushel of oysters.
Be smart, folks.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 12, 2020, 08:46:49 AM
Quote from: Onslow on November 11, 2020, 19:41:05 PMIt is going to be a great holiday season. .............

Christmas is here!  ............

Virus or no virus.  Pandemic or no pandemic.  Does not matter.  Bombarded with mendacious bullshit --- fake icicles, fake stars, gluttony of lights causing epilepsy seizures, phony gift delivering, bogus saints and prophets, etc.  The holidays suck and will suck again if/when we beat this bug. 

Having discovered very early, age 5 or 6, there was no Santa.  That Santa getting dressed in the bathroom stall of the Covington VA department store fooled no one, particularly since his cohort was entertaining the gullible in the lobby.  However, I was temporarily remorseful for unveiling my discovery to all my classmates on the school bus the following Monday; I never enjoyed the sobbing of children even when I was a child.  Vague recollection, but I likely told them they were nuts for believing.  I am certain I was at least a blossoming ass back then.  The pensive skeptic had emerged. 

Now how, and when, can I enlighten my grandson on all the holiday flummery and mummery?

Peace.

http://youtu.be/1tvCd3i0OP8
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on November 12, 2020, 09:26:01 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on November 11, 2020, 21:07:37 PMPositive thinking ! LOL.
Small ball here. Local fam we have constant contact with, only. Only getting a half bushel of oysters.
Be smart, folks.

Oysters? Am I local fam? You can throw the oysters 6 ft to me and I can wear a mask.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on November 30, 2020, 18:46:01 PM
Next door neighbor is in the hospital with Covid.  The wife is not showing symptoms yet.

Hope everyone is doing well, and staying safe.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on November 30, 2020, 19:11:42 PM
One of my wife's colleagues spent Thanksgiving with her Dad who is hot with Covid, then came to work today, and works with the PUBLIC! 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on December 02, 2020, 07:48:25 AM
Seems the deplorables were wrong suggesting that Covid would disappear after the election.
Then again many of those folks are still awaiting the election results.  V:;
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 02, 2020, 08:39:49 AM
From a friend on Face book


So, let me tell you about Covid...

I have gone from regularly mountain biking, trail running, and canyoneering at altitude for trout, to struggling to even get off the couch. It's frightening to check your heart rate in doing that to see it over 100bpm for such a minuscule endeavor.

The coughing is so deep it feels like cracking a rib is just seconds away and it leaves your entire body sore, achy, and exhausted. And worse, trying to catch a breath afterward sometimes results in nothing more than a small wheeze of air going in where you wonder if you'll get another breath.

Previous to Covid, I would have proclaimed the "red wine hang over" as the mother of all headaches. Not anymore. Imagine a headache so bad you can't open your eyes. And, when you do, you see stars. They don't last long (thankfully), but the mental fog that lingers makes you want to curl up in a ball.

The stomach cramping and diarrhea is horrible and comes without warning. Fortunately, I have almost no appetite, having lost sense of smell and taste. I tried a pickle and had zero sensation of flavor. More frightening, there was a small brushfire across the river that was blowing smoke in the house. I had no idea until Tami quickly shut the windows. On the bright side, I can't smell the farting dachshunds, so there's that...

The hardest is the fatigue. It's inescapable and complete. I've found myself napping a couple a times a day and still getting a solid 10-11 hours of sleep at night, yet not feeling rested.

So how's it different that a seasonal cold or flu? For one, any symptom I've had has been probably the worst I've ever experienced. I've been hospitalized from pneumonia before, and this has been much, much worse.

Also, I've never had so many symptoms combine at once. If I didn't know better, I'd swear it was a coordinated attack. And the symptoms play with your mind. In one moment, you think "hmmm, I'm starting to feel a bit better," only to have everything return with a vengeance that makes you fearful of hoping.

Are there good things, though? Absolutely. Within my circle, I've had amazing support from dear friends who have texted me daily to make sure I'm doing what I need to do. My amazing wife has walked the tightrope of caring for me and keeping the home fires burning, but also allowing me enough room to suffer in my own time and way. She's amazing.

So, I put this out there to let you know this shit's real. I never had any doubt, and took precautions, but this thing is Russian Roulette with the same potential.

- Curtis Bayer
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on December 02, 2020, 09:48:12 AM
Common comment from deniers. How is this any different from the flu we have every year?
Flu deaths average <200 per year in NC. Covid deaths in NC >5,000 since March. 🧐
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on December 02, 2020, 20:15:51 PM
Quote from: troutrus on December 02, 2020, 07:48:25 AMSeems the deplorables were wrong suggesting that Covid would disappear after the election.
Then again many of those folks are still awaiting the election results.  V:;

There are many who talk a good talk, and behave like sanctimonious shits, but carry on much like the 'deplorables'.  It isn't what you believe that matters, it is what one does!!!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on December 02, 2020, 21:31:36 PM
Quote from: Onslow on December 02, 2020, 20:15:51 PMIt isn't what you believe that matters, it is what one does!!!

Not really.  It is what you say you believe that doesn't matter.  What you truly believe most always results in what you actually do.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on December 16, 2020, 20:55:08 PM
This is unbelievable.  Merge this with all that trusted that BS Great Barrington Declaration and you have a flock of sociopathic meshuggeners, not herd immunity.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/e2-80-98we-want-them-infected-e2-80-99-trump-appointee-demanded-e2-80-98herd-immunity-e2-80-99-strategy-emails-reveal/ar-BB1bZ5h3?ocid=uxbndlbing
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 18, 2020, 00:35:36 AM
From another Winston Salem friend on FB

Y'all see that faint positive?  Yes, I had Covid. Not fun one bit. I had low o2 sats, insane total body pain to the point I cried myself to sleep, SOB, sinus congestion and nonstop sneezingI. I feel robbed. I feel this should be bright red.
6 weeks out and I'm still feeling the effects. Brain fog, headaches and extreme fatigue. Oh and new allergies, lovely. I was pretty allergic to everything before. I am so angry. Everyday I encounter people who think is a joke. I follow all the rules and feel cheated. I just don't get it?! How hard is it to be responsible? Apparently, it is impossible. People carry on, no intention to social distance. This week alone 4 exposures. I'm not front line so no vaccine for me anytime soon. Today, my Covid survey asked if I wore a shield, N95 and gloves! Lol? What a fantasy. I get ONE, ONE surgical mask per week. Despite the countless exposures. 11 before my Covid positive test. 17 since. Someone coughed in my face without a mask, I did have surgical mask on. That folks was it. 5 days later positive. Loss of smell and taste day five . Day 2 all the sinus symptoms. I am a Nurse Practitioner because I feel it's important to improve the lives of others. I have the means and the ability. I'm loosing faith. I am grateful no one in my family tested positive for Covid. Today, I modified a saying Andy Lester Niles said during his morning announcements. Hi! I'm so glad to see you today.  I just want you to know covid is everywhere even here. Make it a great day, the choice is yours to wear a mask or not.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on December 18, 2020, 08:36:27 AM
My daughter in Arizona and her family have been downplaying the virus since the beginning. Having known a number of people who tested positive with little to no symptoms, she viewed it as many young folks do as not a big deal.
She tested positive a couple weeks ago and has since experienced many of the associated symptoms that we hear about. She appears to be on the mend. 🙏🏼🤞
Hopefully her family and friends will heed her experience as a warning moving forward.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 18, 2020, 08:48:01 AM

Sorry about your daughter , hope she recovers quickly and fully

It's a crap shoot - ands strange in it's ratings of symptoms and outcomes

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on December 27, 2020, 08:39:30 AM
Saw a headline this morning that Fauci Fears Darker Days Lie Ahead. 😳

My daughter says she's recovered and is back at work. But, my youngest(17) grandson had to cancel a surgery due to testing positive this past week. Only outward symptoms for him thus far has been the loss of taste/smell. Here's hoping there are no underlying issues. 🤞🙏🏿
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 27, 2020, 11:19:38 AM


Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 30, 2020, 10:00:25 AM
The Washington Post visualizes 330,000 Covid deaths....

Take a moment or a few minutes and scroll through this graphic display
(it take a while to load)



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/30/this-is-what-more-than-330000-coronavirus-deaths-look-like/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3Zf04e5PkHQaccS6cfA6OIwjSNTs-4nb8IWFHYpcHynYUfHrnvDAa8yTE
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on December 30, 2020, 16:40:34 PM
Damn!  Mary Ann died from this shit!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/dawn-wells-dies-of-covid-19-mary-ann-on-gilligan-s-island-was-82/ar-BB1cm21J?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 30, 2020, 19:37:01 PM
Covid got one of mom's cousins' husbands, Jay 100 and was still driving

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on December 31, 2020, 12:55:57 PM
A couple people per minute are dying in our country, and millions of deplorables along with their leaders call it a hoax.

New Zealand is looking better every day, but I heard they are restricting entry from residents of shithole countries.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on December 31, 2020, 18:25:51 PM
Quote from: troutrus on December 31, 2020, 12:55:57 PMA couple people per minute are dying in our country, and millions of deplorables along with their leaders call it a hoax.

New Zealand is looking better every day, but I heard they are restricting entry from residents of shithole countries.

New Zealand has mice plagues, and earthquakes.

Election is over, and it's time to move on. 

Entitled humans of all political stripes tend to dig their own pits.

https://www.rt.com/news/508446-brussels-orgy-organizer-mep/

QuoteThe self-professed organizer of the notorious lockdown-breaching 'gang-bang' in Brussels claims all participants were extremely careful, and that he was blissfully unaware that an MEP was in attendance.
Speaking to local media, David Manzheley claims that he regularly hosts orgies in his flat and that the event made for a welcome release from the dreariness of the coronavirus lockdown.

He also vehemently denies prior knowledge that 59-year-old Hungarian MEP Jozsef Szajer, a member of Prime Minister Viktor Orbán's Fidesz party, who resigned in disgrace in the wake of the Brussels gay orgy scandal, was in attendance.

Oh, and this ho

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bella-thorne-hosting-new-years-eve-bash-at-mexico-hotel-where-female-worker-was-recently-murdered
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 01, 2021, 11:12:11 AM
From another FB friend from HS

>>> Just spoke with our daughter in Colorado.  Her fiance was admitted to the hospital with pneumonia and Covid.  There were with us for 5 days and just left NC for CO this past Wednesday.  Asking for any prayers you may have for my future son-in-law.  Former Marine, 4 tours in Afghanistan, blown up 6 times, and will complete his dissertation this summer for his PhD.   A remarkable young man even if he had not done any of that.  Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on January 01, 2021, 12:08:23 PM
What the heck is wit dis?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-frontline-workers-refuse-covid-201555764.html
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Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 01, 2021, 12:35:44 PM
Quote from: troutrus on January 01, 2021, 12:08:23 PMWhat the heck is wit dis?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-frontline-workers-refuse-covid-201555764.html

not the ones I know....
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on January 01, 2021, 12:47:19 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on January 01, 2021, 12:35:44 PM
Quote from: troutrus on January 01, 2021, 12:08:23 PMWhat the heck is wit dis?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-frontline-workers-refuse-covid-201555764.html

not the ones I know....

Nor the ones I know. Everyone I know in healthcare wants it. My eldest daughter got her first shot before Christmas. My wife is chomping at the bit to get hers.
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Post by: Onslow on January 03, 2021, 21:04:39 PM
My wife's cousin Charles Reid 
and his wife, both died this past week due to Covid. They lived in W-S.
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Post by: Dougfish on January 03, 2021, 21:31:35 PM
Sorry Ken. Hug your wife for me.
It's gonna get personal to a lot of us.
Unfortunately.
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Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 03, 2021, 21:47:00 PM
Sorry for your loss Ken, thoughts and prayers do you and your family
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Post by: Dougfish on January 03, 2021, 22:25:38 PM
Brother-in-law and family are in NJ.
1:500 are dead from Covid in NJ. Not infected. Dead. Dead. Dead.
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Post by: troutrus on January 04, 2021, 19:51:40 PM
All this death and sadness and then we have these ignorant selfish deplorables roaming free.

https://www.aol.com/see-anti-maskers-l-over-224924585.html
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Post by: troutboy_II on January 05, 2021, 13:56:31 PM
Right now, I would welcome daily updates by the Federal Gov on status of vaccine getting into folks arms and general science about the pandemic.  Ignoring it as the current administration has done for months, does not help.  Perhaps new administration will see fit to get us back in the loop?

TB
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Post by: Phil on January 05, 2021, 16:17:31 PM
Great. My 90 year old MIL and my Brother in Law both tested positive today -- they live in our town, we saw them at Christmas. We will both get tests in 2 days if no symptoms before then, maybe tomorrow. Damn it, I've been sooo careful for 11 months. Let my wife talk me into going to her mom's house for Christmas. Fuck me.  b';
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Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 05, 2021, 17:20:42 PM
sorry to hear that, Phil, take care....  n!n Covid!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 07, 2021, 13:21:19 PM
10,398 new Covid cases in NC reported today

Hospitals are overwhelmed

https://myfox8.com/news/pandemic-causing-long-wait-times-at-triad-emergency-rooms/?anvplayer-autoplay=0


Back to my bunker now
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Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 08, 2021, 14:48:10 PM
Took mom to the county health dept for her first of two Covid vaccine shots

Total time about 45 minutes in the facility

20 minutes wait in line
10 minutes for the shot
15 minutes after shot

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on January 08, 2021, 17:04:07 PM
I guess you'll be next in line, WB?

Eldest daughter who wrangles the cardiac fellows at the hospital, just got her second one yesterday.
Young cousin in Richmond who is a delivery room nurse just got hers, too.
My RN wife signed up to administer shots starts doing that next week. (As a PT second job. Because shes a better person than me.) She'll get her first when she starts.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on January 08, 2021, 17:20:02 PM
In my county in NC, they are giving vaccines to health care workers, frontline, and people over 75. I'll get mine when it becomes available to me.
 
BTW -- didn't get Covid even though all 8 members of my wife's family did. I refused to attend (or let my wife attend) the two after-Christmas and New Year's Eve parties where the infection occurred. They're all sick as dogs. Now I get to run around doing their grocery, etc. errands and leaving stuff on their front porches.
The wife's family poo-poo'ed my steadfast refusals to attend their frequent get-togethers until now.
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Post by: Dougfish on January 08, 2021, 17:21:48 PM
You're a smart man, Phil. I hope your wife's family recovers completely.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 09, 2021, 11:43:47 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJzuJ-jnbSp/?igshid=1p5z7blxh7ybt
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Post by: Stone-Man on January 09, 2021, 16:58:04 PM
Good move Phil.  I can name you 15-20 people who have gone to small get togethers or the beach ,etc,etc who have come down with C-19 One woman went to the beach and came home and gave it to 3 brothers, 4 inlaws and several nieces, nephews.
 A friend of mine died Tuesday of Covid.  He had preexisting conditions that most likely did him in, but it still is painful to loose someone who you think highly of.

  JT
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on January 12, 2021, 18:21:57 PM
States ranked by percentage of COVID-19 vaccines administered: Jan. 12

Disappointing thus far. If you're looking for North Carolina it's quicker to drop  to the bottom and come back up. 🙁

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 13, 2021, 13:15:36 PM
I learned of eligibility for the vaccine since I deliver meals to local seniors and I am a member of the local volunteer fire and rescue.

At 10:30am this morning I received the first dose of Moderna.  No side effects so far.  Not even a sore arm.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutboy_II on January 13, 2021, 15:43:10 PM
Trout_girl and I got our first shot today. SC dropped age to 70 and we both turn 71 this week.

It was fascinating to see the look in folks eyes at the hospital - most our age or older. Hope, for the first time in quite a while. At the risk of opening wounds for some on this site, a change to a kinder, saner, and gentler federal administration, also adds to the "hope" some of us feel who have been around for a while. 

So, as a qualified old fart, I recommend that we all celebrate the human victories a vaccine allows, swallow hard and gut out the consolidated idiocy that we are being subjected to by Washington (both sides share the blame), and get back to living our own lives. Fuck cable tv, fuck pompous politicians, and fuck neighbors who ignore common humanity to cling to the favorite party bull shit.  Come on people!  Breathe and go fish! Stop the insanity.

Now back to your regularly scheduled show... Peace.

TB

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on January 14, 2021, 22:43:20 PM
Got my first shot on Tuesday. No ill effect (so far). Second one in 3 weeks.

 Saw one of my doctors today who has had both shots. He said the 2nd one will give you a headache and slight fever - at least it did him. Take some aspirin and it will be fine in a couple days. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutboy_II on January 16, 2021, 14:02:21 PM
Quote from: troutboy_II on January 13, 2021, 15:43:10 PMTrout_girl and I got our first shot today. SC dropped age to 70 and we both turn 71 this week.




Update on our vaccine shots -  other than some soreness at injection point the first day, no issues at all..  Better than some flu shots I have had. So, although I am sure that there are some who will have issues, hopefully our experience will give you some comfort in what you may be in for. 

You pays your money and takes your chances, but I'm glad this is available. Please strongly consider taking this.

TB

PS - Get shot two on Groundhog Day. Will report after.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 16, 2021, 15:15:49 PM
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 16, 2021, 17:19:14 PM
got a text from novant to schedule an appt... went online and scheduled first available date; April 19  :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on January 16, 2021, 19:04:47 PM
Guy I went to high school with just lost his father. Wife has an uncle been in ICU for about a week  and half. He probably won't make it. Can't get vaccine fast enough. My parents get first shot next week. Stay well.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on January 16, 2021, 19:27:24 PM
Damn Keith, what a bummer.

Teachers won't be eligible for vaccines until the 65 year old group is poked.

There have been cases of students going to school infected, then bragging about it on social media. Don't ask how I was made aware of this.

Some parents are arranging private prom nights because schools won't host them.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on January 16, 2021, 19:29:57 PM
I was notified Friday that we could sign up with Rockingham county Healh Dept. When I started typing my wife's name, address, and phone number there were 50 some spots available for Jan 21st. When I hit the enter key ~30 seconds later got a message that said all spots were full. No further dates have been scheduled.  b';
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on January 16, 2021, 20:31:17 PM
Meanwhile...

Israel says it is on track to vaccinate everyone over 16 by the end of March. To understand how it is vaccinating so quickly, we visited clinics that are giving shots to young and middle-aged citizens. https://t.co/bw7qLU3ZLa (//http://://t.co/bw7qLU3ZLa)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on January 18, 2021, 14:29:50 PM
My mother in law just had to be put on a ventilator after a week in ICU. I doubt seriously that she will survive. 3 weeks ago she was a strong willed independent 90 year old warhorse going strong. Covid is some bad shit.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on January 18, 2021, 18:52:10 PM
Damn. So sorry.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on January 18, 2021, 19:41:02 PM
Damn Phil, I'm sorry to hear your family is being beset by such hardship during these challenging times.

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Post by: troutrus on January 18, 2021, 19:42:28 PM
Very sad. 🙁
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Post by: Big J on January 18, 2021, 20:28:30 PM
Sorry to hear that Phil.
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Post by: Al on January 18, 2021, 20:34:17 PM
Don't give up yet Phil. My wife was on a ventilator for 9 days about 10 years ago. In ICU for about 15 days. Trying times which some of you may remember. Total of 28 days before coming home. (Had to do rehap to learn to do most things we take for granted again)

Prayers for her recovery.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 18, 2021, 20:38:23 PM
Thoughts and prayers, Phil

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on January 18, 2021, 20:43:42 PM
Sorry to hear this.
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Post by: itieuglyflies on January 18, 2021, 20:51:34 PM
Prayers that this tough 90 yr. old will recover.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 23, 2021, 10:53:29 AM
County Health Dept opened up more appts today.
I snagged one on Jan 29, mo betta than da Novant appt of April 19.

:drum  d:b  :Dance  V:;

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on January 23, 2021, 19:52:45 PM
Community vaccine day at civic center. Got a heads up from eldest daughter who was working it that they were taking walkins. Just got my first shot. Pfizer.   :Dance
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on January 23, 2021, 21:36:28 PM
Lotta people pissed over here in Rockingham County. And the politicos are pointing fingers as usual.

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on January 23, 2021, 21:54:37 PM
Quote from: troutrus on January 23, 2021, 21:36:28 PMLotta people pissed over here in Rockingham County. And the politicos are pointing fingers as usual.

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That stinks.
The mismanagement is real. I can't believe I got mine considering how f'd up VA is.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on January 24, 2021, 07:41:08 AM
My MIL(88) had registered for an appointment at the first available opportunity.  Got a call late last week from the HD, and missed the call. There ain't no calling the HD back, at least in my county.  Gotta re register, and get back in line.  You snooze, you loose.  That being said, those under 65 who are not front line medics need to find some patience.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on January 24, 2021, 16:04:53 PM
Wife and I just returned from Winston Salem where we got our first shot this morning at the Fairgrounds. They also gave us appointments for 2/15 for second round shots. Plus I found some waders at GOPC and had a great brisket samich at Little Richards. 🙂

I'm taking my SIL to High Point Tuesday afternoon for her first shot. I also had an appointment for there that I cancelled.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutboy_II on January 25, 2021, 09:51:47 AM
Quote from: troutrus on January 24, 2021, 16:04:53 PMand had a great brisket samich at Little Richards. 🙂


Good news on vac.  Everybody under the gun on this so I guess it will work out eventually...  Hope vac is available for our second shot in a few weeks.

Man I miss Little Richards!  Probably second to Lexington BBQ as my favorite and was only a few blocks away from where we lived in WS.  Just can't get anything like it here in SC, although Mike and Jeff's here in Greenville is pretty good.

Ah, memories.....

TB
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 26, 2021, 08:52:17 AM
Charter a flight to the Yukon.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wealthy-couple-chartered-a-plane-to-the-yukon-took-vaccines-meant-for-indigenous-elders-authorities-said/ar-BB1d6rHW?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 26, 2021, 09:33:23 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 26, 2021, 08:52:17 AMCharter a flight to the Yukon.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wealthy-couple-chartered-a-plane-to-the-yukon-took-vaccines-meant-for-indigenous-elders-authorities-said/ar-BB1d6rHW?ocid=msedgntp

I might have given Ekaterina Baker and inoculation if you know what I mean...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on January 26, 2021, 16:33:20 PM
Phil's gettin' the Phizer Phriday at 9:15 a.m.  V:;
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on January 26, 2021, 20:05:29 PM
Took my SIL to Oak Hollow Mall today for her first shot. They used Moderna with second shot scheduled four weeks out.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on January 27, 2021, 11:48:33 AM
We're in Mars Hill, NC.  When they dropped  eligibility to 65 I signed up online for scheduling 1/19.  Madison County Health Dept just called.  Scheduled wife and I for Feb 1 appointment.  Mar 1 for booster, so I expect it is Moderna.

'c;
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 29, 2021, 18:45:04 PM
Took mom to get her second Pfizer shot today at 2:10 I was scheduled for 5:50, i had to go back at the appointed time got the Moderna shot!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 30, 2021, 02:47:55 AM
I'm not bitchin but this mofo is killing my arm —  p;-

2:47 and can't sleep
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on January 30, 2021, 06:47:49 AM
Yeah, Woolly. Got mine yesterday at 9 a.m. Had a headache and felt kinda crappy by evening and my arm is sore as shit.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on January 30, 2021, 08:11:41 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on January 30, 2021, 02:47:55 AMI'm not bitchin but this mofo is killing my arm —  p;-

2:47 and can't sleep
And now?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 30, 2021, 08:26:35 AM
Quote from: jwgnc on January 30, 2021, 08:11:41 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on January 30, 2021, 02:47:55 AMI'm not bitchin but this mofo is killing my arm —  p;-

2:47 and can't sleep
And now?

  Tylenol took the edge off and I finally got some quality shut eye  - still Fairly sore but much better this morning
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on January 30, 2021, 08:30:43 AM
Weenie.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 30, 2021, 09:30:02 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on January 30, 2021, 08:30:43 AMWeenie.

Follow the research.  Multiple studies of men that consume swanky, ostentatious brews and their lack of tolerance for pain.  I think they call it pussification.

"In several studies conducted in Liechtenstein, researchers have discovered a lower pain threshold (the point at which pain begins to be felt) in males that regularly drink grandiose alcoholic beverages (ie. micro brews).  Researchers have wittily coined this condition in men as "pompous pussification"."

https://average2alpha.com/5-ways-that-men-are-becoming-little-bitches/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 30, 2021, 10:52:42 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on January 30, 2021, 08:30:43 AMWeenie.

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: itieuglyflies on January 30, 2021, 20:01:27 PM
I am old as shit and only wish my arm was sore from getting the vaccine.....but I live in Richmond .....enough said.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 30, 2021, 21:25:02 PM
Alternate reality

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-30/dodger-stadiums-covid-19-vaccination-site-shutdown-after-dozens-of-protesters-gather-at-entrance?fbclid=IwAR32IwKmDAZEq1gKsvm7SZi0H0toP5IIiLMCrBTUImIQQM1D-7k2MS3S3CQ


>>> The demonstrators included members of anti-vaccine and far-right groups. While some carried signs decrying the COVID-19 vaccine and shouting for people not to get the shots, there were no incidents of violence
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on February 02, 2021, 11:09:03 AM
Moderna #1 completed.  Minor pain and minor headache.  

With a snow alert yesterday, Madison County (pop 22,000) Health Department put out a notice:  "if you have an appointment, come whenever you feel it is safe."  I thought &^$*, it'll be a free-for-all, but we got there at 1:00 and were second in line.

They closed all county services today with heavy snow.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 02, 2021, 13:37:17 PM
Quote from: jwgnc on February 02, 2021, 11:09:03 AMModerna #1 completed.  Minor pain and minor headache. 

With a snow alert yesterday, Madison County (pop 22,000) Health Department put out a notice:  "if you have an appointment, come whenever you feel it is safe."  I thought &^$*, it'll be a free-for-all, but we got there at 1:00 and were second in line.

They closed all county services today with heavy snow.

It took about 6 hrs for my arm to really start hurting... good luck!!!  :drum

back to normal now...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutboy_II on February 03, 2021, 09:47:39 AM
So had Wizer #2 yesterday at 10:00. Felt pretty good, arm a little sore, but not too bad. This morning I feel like shit - sore all over, head/sinus wonky, little energy.  :embarassed:

Troutgirl, on the other hand, feels good. So I guess the lesson here is you pays your money and takes your chances!  Still feel great that I have both shots on board now and I know I will be be back to normal in a day or so. All in all, very much worth a day or so of feeling punk.  Get the shots when you can.

Good luck everyone.

TB
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on February 03, 2021, 18:05:38 PM
Quote from: jwgnc on February 02, 2021, 11:09:03 AMModerna #1 completed.  Minor pain and minor headache. 

With a snow alert yesterday, Madison County (pop 22,000) Health Department put out a notice:  "if you have an appointment, come whenever you feel it is safe."  I thought &^$*, it'll be a free-for-all, but we got there at 1:00 and were second in line.

They closed all county services today with heavy snow.
How much did y'all get over there? I'm in Haywood a few miles from the Madison line, and we had about 5".
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutboy_II on February 04, 2021, 08:19:54 AM
Quote from: troutboy_II on February 03, 2021, 09:47:39 AMSo had Wizer #2 yesterday at 10:00. Felt pretty good, arm a little sore, but not too bad. This morning I feel like shit - sore all over, head/sinus wonky, little energy.  :embarassed:

Troutgirl, on the other hand, feels good. So I guess the lesson here is you pays your money and takes your chances!  Still feel great that I have both shots on board now and I know I will be be back to normal in a day or so. All in all, very much worth a day or so of feeling punk.  Get the shots when you can.

Good luck everyone.

TB

Followup:

Well, woke up today and felt normal again.  Remember, my "normal" at 71 has its own set of aches and pains, but felt great to be back to that normal.

So, second shot on Tues. morning; felt ok; woke up Wednesday feeling lousy; Thurs., woke up feeling good again.

Summary- worth it. I will feel like seeing my kids and grandkids are not a potential death sentence.  d:b  Still wear a mask though...

I'm only posting this so those of you hesitating for some reason will have some a life experience for perspective. And for what it's worth, Troutgirl only had a slight headache, so it could be mostly a nonevent for many of you.

Goodluck signing up
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on February 04, 2021, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on February 03, 2021, 18:05:38 PM
Quote from: jwgnc on February 02, 2021, 11:09:03 AMModerna #1 completed.  Minor pain and minor headache. 

With a snow alert yesterday, Madison County (pop 22,000) Health Department put out a notice:  "if you have an appointment, come whenever you feel it is safe."  I thought &^$*, it'll be a free-for-all, but we got there at 1:00 and were second in line.

They closed all county services today with heavy snow.
How much did y'all get over there? I'm in Haywood a few miles from the Madison line, and we had about 5".
We got about 4" thru Tuesday at the house - at 2650 feet.  They cancelled Vax appointments Tuesday, but resumed Wednesday.  FYI: My minor pain and headache was gone by the morning after.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on February 09, 2021, 13:54:10 PM
Got my 2nd shot at 0930 this morning. So far so good. I will give an update tomorrow.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 10, 2021, 07:00:23 AM
Around 11:30am yesterday I got the second dose of Moderna.  Slept like a baby, no effects.

Rock on folks!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on February 10, 2021, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: Al on February 09, 2021, 13:54:10 PMGot my 2nd shot at 0930 this morning. So far so good. I will give an update tomorrow.

Just before bedtime my bones started to ache. Felt like I'd been shot at and missed and shit at and hit. Feeling a little better now but not planning to do much today.

Still, overall I am glad I got the shots
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on February 10, 2021, 14:04:26 PM
Al, which brand did you receive?
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 10, 2021, 18:26:41 PM
Around 10am this morning I started to experience minor chilling.  I question if it was the 2nd Moderna or knowing I was forced to spend the entire day with the Mrs, which I rarely do.  We just celebrated our 36th wedding anniversary so I felt somewhat obligated.

Home alone now and chills have disappeared.   
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on February 10, 2021, 20:09:11 PM
Quote from: troutrus on February 10, 2021, 14:04:26 PMAl, which brand did you receive?

Moderna  -  The gal who gave me the shot said I would feel it. She was right. Bone ache is gone but I felt a little nauseous this afternoon. Took a nap and feel pretty good now. Going to bed early tonight. I expect I will be back to normal in the morning.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 10, 2021, 22:14:47 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-fully-vaccinated-people-don-t-need-quarantine-if-exposed-n1257336?fbclid=IwAR2SaFObL2bGToSHpAxDWtqik6sTSstJt1vUKPdlUkXNHjQdAqdHsddRWCc

CDC fully vaccinated people don't need to quarantine if exposed

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: itieuglyflies on February 12, 2021, 22:01:44 PM
Thank you NC screw you Va. Had to drive 300 miles but wife and I were able to get first vaccine
dose today in NC. Have been on multiple lists for a couple of weeks in Richmond to no avail.

Daughter in Boone located a Walgreens near Grandfather Mountain that had openings and we made the
trip. Hopefully by second dose time we can find something closer to home.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 13, 2021, 07:28:57 AM
Quote from: itieuglyflies on February 12, 2021, 22:01:44 PMThank you NC screw you Va. Had to drive 300 miles but wife and I were able to get first vaccine
dose today in NC. Have been on multiple lists for a couple of weeks in Richmond to no avail.

Daughter in Boone located a Walgreens near Grandfather Mountain that had openings and we made the
trip. Hopefully by second dose time we can find something closer to home.

Did they not make an appt for your second shot after you received the first one? I read that they plan the 2nd dose to be administered at the same location...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: itieuglyflies on February 13, 2021, 07:47:37 AM
Actually got second appts. scheduled at a location in Boone. It's not mandatory that you get second dose at same place. (it's better for the high country that I get scheduled at another location since rain and bad weather usually follows me to this area)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on February 13, 2021, 09:36:12 AM
Just got my second Pfizer shot.
Out of the hundreds of folks in the convention center, the only black, latino or asian persons I saw were health care workers.
That is a huge problem, folks.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on February 13, 2021, 10:52:19 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on February 13, 2021, 09:36:12 AMJust got my second Pfizer shot.
Out of the hundreds of folks in the convention center, the only black, latino or asian persons I saw were health care workers.
That is a huge problem, folks.

Being poor goes far beyond not having money and race. Disenfranchised folk of all backgrounds tend to see themselves not a part of society.  Like an Autistic child they simply stare through fogged glass, and watch the wheels turn without them.  Most don't even know they're mentally ill.   Poverty is a mental illness as well as a circumstantial issue.  If one cannot beat the illness, one never moves forward.

My mom had lost her teeth due to malnutrition and infection by age 13, and was sold into black market (Amish) servitude during her later teen years.  The infection stemmed from rat hunting in a chicken house, and apparently particulates got in her mouth, and an existing infection turned into a raging mess. Sadly, my mom is still afflicted with the poverty illness.

My MIL lived in a one room cabin with no outhouse until she was 7.  They simply crapped, and urinated in the woods.  The only reason an outhouse upgrade happened is because my wife's aunt had a 3' section of tapeworm hanging out of her arse as she screamed for help. The clan finally moved to a house that had a well around 1948.  My MIL was a fighter, but the stench of poverty resulted in my wife being bullied, and beaten until she reached high school age.  MIL insisted her girls would go to college, and both did.  My wife kept her grades up, earned scholarships, worked 2 jobs, endured sexual harassment, and double majored, and later earned an advanced degree. The illness was soundly defeated.



Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on February 13, 2021, 16:30:31 PM
I appreciate your narrative and your family's history, Ken.
Most of us on here have been extremely fortunate. I for one.
But I said nothing about poor.
I was merely pointing out what my eyeballs saw.
This was in a convention center in downtown Roanoke.
The largest city in VA west of Richmond, we have a very diverse population. And my eyeballs saw what the stats strongly suggest.
That minorities lag way behind whites in vaccinations.
Everyone should have access and encouragement to get the vaccine.
And yes, even the poor.
We are all in this together.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 13, 2021, 18:01:39 PM
Pretty much the same here in Winston — when I took mom to the health dept in East Winston I expected us to be in the minority, but I was taken aback by the whiteness of those in line for the vaccine. And again when I took her for the second shot at the fairgrounds the crowds was predominantly white (maybe 85-90%) In a county that is about 66% white.

What factors contribute to such a low minority turn out?

1) mistrust of the medical community?
2) lack of time to spend hunting down an appt?
3) lack of transportation?
4) inability to get time off of work?


Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 13, 2021, 18:04:59 PM
Dad grew up in poverty and a broken home. Don't have details but I know they had an outhouse. Not a period of his life that he would talk about, other than going to school in a one room schoolhouse with a pot bellies stove and an outhouse too.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 13, 2021, 18:29:04 PM
here are the demographics for our state..

2021-02-13_18-27-43.jpg

https://public.tableau.com/shared/N2RS2GS3J?:toolbar=n&:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 14, 2021, 10:08:02 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on February 13, 2021, 18:01:39 PMWhat factors contribute to such a low minority turn out?

1) mistrust of the medical community?
2) lack of time to spend hunting down an appt?
3) lack of transportation?
4) inability to get time off of work?




I vote a lack of trust in the medical community.  I don't feel poverty has anything to do with it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 14, 2021, 10:54:56 AM
Almost 3% on vaccines in NC given to out-of-staters p;-  p;-
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on February 14, 2021, 13:34:33 PM
In the last two weeks it seems supply has greatly increased.
My wife, her sister and I worked diligently early on and got shots in Guilford and Forsyth Cnty.,each about a one hour drive. We have friends that for medical and personal reasons were not willing to travel. About ten days ago I received a call from a small medical facility where I had received a covid test last August. They called to offer us an appointment right around the corner from our house here in Eden. Since we didn't need the shots, my wife asked if they could be offered to our neighbor friends who are in their 80's. The lady was very accommodating, and our friends got their first shot this past Tuesday right around the corner.  I received an email on the 13th (yesterday) from Cone Health indicating that I could sign up for first shots in Guilford County for today, the 14th. I have since removed our names from their list. Wife and I are scheduled for round two tomorrow morning at Winston Salem fairgrounds.
Things are looking up. Stay positive.  <-;:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: rford on February 17, 2021, 17:01:57 PM
In Pittsylvania County, leaders in the local NAACP arranged to have vaccinations given on February 6th at a church associational building.  They had over 700 with a very high percentage being Black.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on February 17, 2021, 18:39:59 PM
Sandy and I got our 2nd dose of Pfizer on Monday morning. I woke about 1 am Tuesday with an extreme case of chills and a headache. Sandy got up about 5am to find me in the living room under 4 afghans, wearing a watch cap, wool gloves, and heavy wool socks. Chills left me about 9am, but headaches persisted throughout the day and me trying to fight it off with a couple Tylenol every four hours. Hit the bed about 9pm and with help from melatonin slept well for 11 hours. Woke up feeling great.
Not a bad trade off in my opinion.
And I am most grateful that my wife experienced no symptoms other than a sore arm. ❤️
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: rbphoto on February 24, 2021, 08:50:58 AM
This is the worst way of measuring efficiency I have seen in a long time:

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If business measured "success" the way our government and news agencies do, there would be a lot fewer businesses in the world.

The information presented doesn't communicated how many vaccines were made available, doesn't communicate waste/loss, doesn't communicate anything related to the population.

While I'm complaining about how people think:

1.  Why does our government get to decide who needs to (and who doesn't) get the vaccine? 

2.  Apparently, the government doesn't trust our healthcare system to make wise, educated decisions.

3.  Who is paying for the vaccines? 

<Rant - OFF>
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on February 24, 2021, 09:11:40 AM
Quote from: rbphoto on February 24, 2021, 08:50:58 AMThis is the worst way of measuring efficiency I have seen in a long time:

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If business measured "success" the way our government and news agencies do, there would be a lot fewer businesses in the world.

The information presented doesn't communicated how many vaccines were made available, doesn't communicate waste/loss, doesn't communicate anything related to the population.

While I'm complaining about how people think:

1.  Why does our government get to decide who needs to (and who doesn't) get the vaccine? 

2.  Apparently, the government doesn't trust our healthcare system to make wise, educated decisions.

3.  Who is paying for the vaccines? 

<Rant - OFF>

May I rant about something different. It appears certain privileged people in our community are jumping way ahead in the line. How can someone under 50 that is not a front line worker, that is not a health care worker get the vaccine?  Bribery?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on February 24, 2021, 10:03:29 AM
Quote from: Onslow on February 24, 2021, 09:11:40 AM
Quote from: rbphoto on February 24, 2021, 08:50:58 AMThis is the worst way of measuring efficiency I have seen in a long time:

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If business measured "success" the way our government and news agencies do, there would be a lot fewer businesses in the world.

The information presented doesn't communicated how many vaccines were made available, doesn't communicate waste/loss, doesn't communicate anything related to the population.

While I'm complaining about how people think:

1.  Why does our government get to decide who needs to (and who doesn't) get the vaccine? 

2.  Apparently, the government doesn't trust our healthcare system to make wise, educated decisions.

3.  Who is paying for the vaccines? 

<Rant - OFF>

May I rant about something different. It appears certain privileged people in our community are jumping way ahead in the line. How can someone under 50 that is not a front line worker, that is not a health care worker get the vaccine?  Bribery?

What is the source of the graph?  Was it the CDC or was it another entity that made the graph from CDC data?

I do question the availability of the vaccine to certain groups.  I don't think there is any bribery or shenanigans here in my area because so few are well-heeled enough to bribe, but I do wonder about other areas of the U.S.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on February 24, 2021, 20:07:47 PM
Quote from: rbphoto on February 24, 2021, 08:50:58 AMThis is the worst way of measuring efficiency I have seen in a long time:

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If business measured "success" the way our government and news agencies do, there would be a lot fewer businesses in the world.

The information presented doesn't communicated how many vaccines were made available, doesn't communicate waste/loss, doesn't communicate anything related to the population.

While I'm complaining about how people think:

1.  Why does our government get to decide who needs to (and who doesn't) get the vaccine? 

2.  Apparently, the government doesn't trust our healthcare system to make wise, educated decisions.

3.  Who is paying for the vaccines? 

<Rant - OFF>

Goodhart's Law:
"When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure." 

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 25, 2021, 09:15:00 AM
WFDD's Eddi Garcia did a report on "jumping" line to get vaccine....

1. In Forsyth County, and maybe others, no ID is required to schedule or receive a vaccine

2. No employment verification is required

3. It's pretty much an honor system.

4. There is no data pertaining to line jumping 


https://www.wfdd.org/story/few-safeguards-place-prevent-vaccine-line-skipping-nc
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on February 26, 2021, 12:10:29 PM
South African woman whips off her THONG and uses it as a make-shift mask after being warned about having no face covering by supermarket staff

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2021/02/26/1706417306101856057/636x382_MP4_1706417306101856057.mp4 (https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2021/02/26/1706417306101856057/636x382_MP4_1706417306101856057.mp4)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 26, 2021, 12:29:21 PM
got jab numero dos  /'/  <-;:  :o  d:b  :Dance
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 26, 2021, 12:31:10 PM
in recent news:

Poll: 38% of Americans would give up sex for a year to be able to travel again immediately


in other news:

Poll: 38% of BRFFFers would give up fishing for a year to be able to have sex again
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 01, 2021, 10:23:59 AM
my second shot on Friday at 9:05 am wasn't as bad as the first, slight pain started 6 hrs after injection, and by 10 o'clock I was feeling very tired. Didn't sleep all that well, had some joint pain. I was in a bit of a fog most of the next day, but on Sunday I went for an 7 mile hike

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on March 01, 2021, 11:53:48 AM
My 2nd shot gave me even less trouble than the first. I was expecting to feel worse.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on March 01, 2021, 12:20:44 PM
A different look at who is unlikely/not sure to get a vaccination. 35K respondents.

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 01, 2021, 13:42:57 PM
From a FB friend-

My dad had polio in the early 50s. My oldest brother was a wee baby and they had recently moved to Morristown from Montreal.  After spending a long time in the havemeyer unit at memorial he was fortunate to get away with a gimpy leg. However, as he got older he suffered post polio syndrome. You'd best believe my mother was at the front of the line to get us vaccinated.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on March 01, 2021, 14:40:43 PM
I recall taking polio vaccine orally on a sugar cube. And even after the vaccine my mom would still not allow me to go under the fire plug in the summer. 🤔
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on March 01, 2021, 15:23:36 PM
Quote from: troutrus on March 01, 2021, 14:40:43 PMI recall taking polio vaccine orally on a sugar cube. And even after the vaccine my mom would still not allow me to go under the fire plug in the summer. 🤔

One of my grandfathers had a brush with polio as a kid. I think it just made him crankier.
The sugar cube with the pink spot. Ditto.
If I wasn't in school, my mother shooed us outside to get into whatever we could.
It's a miracle I reached puberty.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 01, 2021, 15:48:31 PM
Quote from: troutrus on March 01, 2021, 14:40:43 PMI recall taking polio vaccine orally on a sugar cube. And even after the vaccine my mom would still not allow me to go under the fire plug in the summer. 🤔
I can remember them giving it to us in school.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 01, 2021, 15:50:06 PM
Quote from: troutrus on March 01, 2021, 14:45:02 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on March 01, 2021, 12:20:44 PMA different look at who is unlikely/not sure to get a vaccination. 35K respondents.

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Adding White to the GOP label seems somewhat redundant.
Actually, the numbers of black, and especially Latino Republicans is growing steadily. Most of the Hispanic folks I know and quite a few black folks  I work with are very conservative.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on March 02, 2021, 08:02:21 AM
Last evening I attended the wake of the 1st close friend I knew who died of Covid. 73 years old and healthy and active. Both he and his wife tested positive. Neither showed symptoms.  Quarantined for 10days and thought they were good to go. He started shots - Got 1st one.  He then came down with pneumonia - waited too long before going to hospital. They immediately admitted him and he died 2 days later. Not sure if the shot triggered it or not.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 02, 2021, 08:12:06 AM
sorry for your loss Al, this thing is such a crap shoot
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on March 02, 2021, 08:35:12 AM
Sorry about your friend Al.  Sad story.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 02, 2021, 08:55:08 AM
Sorry to hear it, Al.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on March 02, 2021, 10:15:59 AM
Whoa!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: bmadd on March 02, 2021, 12:48:52 PM
Wife and I are set to get second shot next Wednesday. First shot felt pain in my arm for probably 24 hours. Wife had a good case of fatigue the day after hers. Hoping the next round is the same.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on March 02, 2021, 13:50:49 PM
Moderna #2 yesterday at 1:00.  Minor headache.  If I were still working, I wouldn't take a sick day.  Same with my wife.

In a few weeks, I may get my first haircut in a year.
Covid Hair 3.jpg
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on March 02, 2021, 14:19:08 PM
Quote from: Big J on November 12, 2020, 09:26:01 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on November 11, 2020, 21:07:37 PMPositive thinking ! LOL.
Small ball here. Local fam we have constant contact with, only. Only getting a half bushel of oysters.
Be smart, folks.

Oysters? Am I local fam? You can throw the oysters 6 ft to me and I can wear a mask.

I am local fam!

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on March 02, 2021, 16:39:49 PM
Quote from: jwgnc on March 02, 2021, 13:50:49 PMModerna #2 yesterday at 1:00.  Minor headache.  If I were still working, I wouldn't take a sick day.  Same with my wife.
Well, I may have gone in, but I'd have left early to take a nap. Our arms are sore, and we're tired.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 02, 2021, 17:08:43 PM
I hope everyone can get their shot(s), and those already who received theirs will fare well. 

Screw an oyster!   I ain't eating a filter-feeder and I ain't eating any critter's liver!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 02, 2021, 17:34:44 PM
I took my 88-yo mom to get her second dose of the Moderna last week. She had no issues at all with it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 02, 2021, 17:35:45 PM
Quote from: Big J on March 02, 2021, 14:19:08 PM
Quote from: Big J on November 12, 2020, 09:26:01 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on November 11, 2020, 21:07:37 PMPositive thinking ! LOL.
Small ball here. Local fam we have constant contact with, only. Only getting a half bushel of oysters.
Be smart, folks.

Oysters? Am I local fam? You can throw the oysters 6 ft to me and I can wear a mask.

I am local fam!

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Oh yeah! I love oysters any and all ways.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 02, 2021, 18:35:11 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on March 02, 2021, 17:35:45 PMOh yeah! I love oysters any and all ways.

Except for Big J and his cohort, oysters ain't going to help any of us!  He and his young-aged, still-firing army will one day discover they can use that thing for its foremost purpose --- urination! 

https://morningsteel.com/oysters-and-erections/


Obligatory Virus tidbit:

"I never thought the comment "I wouldn't touch them with a six-foot pole" would become a national policy, but here we are!"
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on March 02, 2021, 21:36:52 PM
Not sure how the bivalves rolled into this thread, but hey!?
A bushel in December, a bushel this weekend. I have downed about half of them myself.
Jacob, my wife and I had 5 dozen for lunch to finish off this bushel of meaty York River oysters.
Mignonette and remoulade sauces, ftw.

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 03, 2021, 00:22:59 AM
Quote from: Big J on March 02, 2021, 14:19:08 PM
Quote from: Big J on November 12, 2020, 09:26:01 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on November 11, 2020, 21:07:37 PMPositive thinking ! LOL.
Small ball here. Local fam we have constant contact with, only. Only getting a half bushel of oysters.
Be smart, folks.

Oysters? Am I local fam? You can throw the oysters 6 ft to me and I can wear a mask.

I am local fam!

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 05, 2021, 11:51:34 AM
J&J vaccine is being administered in Forsyth County— one and done jab is accelerating vaccinations in NC  d:b
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: driver on March 05, 2021, 17:40:33 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 05, 2021, 11:51:34 AMJ&J vaccine is being administered in Forsyth County— one and done jab is accelerating vaccinations in NC  d:b

I just got the J&J vax. That bitch hurt.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 05, 2021, 17:42:09 PM
Quote from: driver on March 05, 2021, 17:40:33 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 05, 2021, 11:51:34 AMJ&J vaccine is being administered in Forsyth County— one and done jab is accelerating vaccinations in NC  d:b

I just got the J&J vax. That bitch hurt.

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: driver on March 05, 2021, 20:21:31 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 05, 2021, 17:42:09 PM
Quote from: driver on March 05, 2021, 17:40:33 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 05, 2021, 11:51:34 AMJ&J vaccine is being administered in Forsyth County— one and done jab is accelerating vaccinations in NC  d:b

I just got the J&J vax. That bitch hurt.

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"You don't hear anymore"?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on March 15, 2021, 16:32:07 PM
Got first shot yesterday.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on March 16, 2021, 17:20:15 PM
I'm hearing 11.8% of US is fully vaccinated against covid-19.
Our immediate neighbors and us are about 90% fully vaccinated.
We have started to normally socialize.
Maybe some of you need to move here.   :laugh:
Feeling very fortunate.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 16, 2021, 17:26:49 PM
Quote from: troutrus on March 16, 2021, 11:08:28 AMMy son got his first shot last week and received a button indicating he had been vaccinated.
I have a couple questions regarding the buttons:
- where the hell is mine?
- will the government ever stop wasting $$$$ ?

grumpy old man...

Quote from: Dougfish on March 16, 2021, 17:20:15 PMI'm hearing 11.8% of US is fully vaccinated against covid-19.
Our immediate neighbors and us are about 90% fully vaccinated.
We have started to normally socialize.
Maybe some of you need to move here.   :laugh:
Feeling very fortunate.


good fer you  /'/  V:;  :cheers


Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on March 16, 2021, 18:46:26 PM
My wife is only in her 50s but has an underlying medical condition. She will be eligible starting later this week, I think. We're making calls tomorrow to try and get her an appt.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 16, 2021, 20:49:36 PM
My daughter got an appt 3/18
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on March 26, 2021, 14:12:23 PM
Doug with a fresh shipment so round 2!

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 27, 2021, 09:01:01 AM
Got my first microchip embedded a couple weeks ago, taking my wife this afternoon to get her first one.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 27, 2021, 10:21:14 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on March 27, 2021, 09:01:01 AMGot my first microchip embedded a couple weeks ago, taking my wife this afternoon to get her first one.  :laugh:

I questioned the accuracy, range, and functionality of the microchips previously implanted under the vaccine façade, so I visited the government site, fed.gov.locate-an-asshole.com, to check the precision of their tracking of my recent activity.  I only confirmed my travel over the last few days.  The government stalking was correct, except they did miss my recent stop on the way to the doctor at a McDonalds for a McRib.

Yaller, I examined your recent travel now that you've been "embedded".    It appears over the last 48 hours you've visited 4 gun shops, an Ace Hardware, and a Piggly Wiggly in Sanford, NC where you purchased 3 original Slim Jims, a lottery ticket, and a 24-ounce Colt 45 malt liquor.  I trust your chip is operating properly.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: rbphoto on March 27, 2021, 11:22:11 AM
Opening vaccine sites to age 16 & up in SC next Wednesday.  This experimental vaccine is going to change medicine, hopefully for the better. 

We shall see.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 27, 2021, 16:08:04 PM
Quote from: rbphoto on March 27, 2021, 11:22:11 AMOpening vaccine sites to age 16 & up in SC next Wednesday.  This experimental vaccine is going to change medicine, hopefully for the better. 

We shall see.
Or, kill every damn one of us in five years.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 27, 2021, 16:08:36 PM
Quote from: Big J on March 26, 2021, 14:12:23 PMDoug with a fresh shipment so round 2!

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Want. Bigly.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on March 28, 2021, 07:13:50 AM
My boi and I put away 6+ dozen.
Burp.

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Gotta fatten him up for the beach.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 29, 2021, 09:24:04 AM
I work for a company of about 370 employees.  Said company lost its first to Covid today.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: hcrum87hc on March 29, 2021, 09:42:23 AM
Dad tested positive on Friday.  He'd been feeling fatigued and flush since Tuesday night, but no fever or respiratory symptoms and retained smell and taste.  He also had some pain in his groin and what felt like could be a swollen lymph node in that vicinity.  My sister, who's a nurse, suggested it sounded like prostatitis and that he should go to one of the local urgent care places on his way home from work on Wednesday. 

The NP he saw there said it sounded like a strained muscle in his groin and that she couldn't see anything else wrong with him. He asked about the flush feeling in his face, and she asked if he's had the Rona or the vaccine.  He has not, so they tested him and suggested he stay home until he got the results. 

Wednesday night he woke up in the middle of the night with a low grade fever and popped some Advil, which knocked it down.  He felt pretty fatigued all day Thursday, but nothing every really escalated, and his fever never returned.  Friday, he got his positive result.  Saturday he sent me pictures of some bass he caught behind the house, so I guess he's not feeling too bad.  Today he said he's getting better each day, so thankfully it seems his case has been mild.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 30, 2021, 18:18:01 PM
Quote from: troutrus on March 29, 2021, 07:18:43 AMIgnorance and conspiracy theories abound. Though I hadn't heard of the microchip theory, someone was telling me recently that the vaccine is only effective if you suffer through a significant reaction from the shots. 😳
They're there. Bill Gates is putting microchips in the shots. Or it's the Mark Of The Beast, take your pick. People are stupid.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on March 30, 2021, 20:56:25 PM
I had someone say the shot is how they track you. I have lived in same Area 51 years. Worked same job 30 and drive a big yellow box truck ar work. I told them I'm not too damn hard to find as it is. Get my second shot in about a week and a half. Stay well everyone.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutboy_II on March 31, 2021, 09:32:30 AM
You live in Area 51 :o  :o  :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on March 31, 2021, 18:48:06 PM
Quote from: greg on March 30, 2021, 20:56:25 PMI had someone say the shot is how they track you. I have lived in same Area 51 years. Worked same job 30 and drive a big yellow box truck ar work. I told them I'm not too damn hard to find as it is. Get my second shot in about a week and a half. Stay well everyone.
We all carry a tracking device in our pocket now, willingly.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 31, 2021, 19:07:30 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on March 31, 2021, 18:48:06 PM
Quote from: greg on March 30, 2021, 20:56:25 PMI had someone say the shot is how they track you. I have lived in same Area 51 years. Worked same job 30 and drive a big yellow box truck ar work. I told them I'm not too damn hard to find as it is. Get my second shot in about a week and a half. Stay well everyone.
We all carry a tracking device in our pocket now, willingly.

You mean cell phones?

What is the tracking prognosis on my 10+ year old flip phone, with no apps and no internet/GPS activation that I am aware of?  I never carry it while in my home area because I have no service.  I only carry it and turn it on when I trek into civilization across Back Creek mountain.  Even when I travel west to Pocahontas Co WV I never carry it because it never works supposedly from the block from the Greenbank WV Observatory.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 31, 2021, 19:30:25 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 31, 2021, 19:07:30 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on March 31, 2021, 18:48:06 PM
Quote from: greg on March 30, 2021, 20:56:25 PMI had someone say the shot is how they track you. I have lived in same Area 51 years. Worked same job 30 and drive a big yellow box truck ar work. I told them I'm not too damn hard to find as it is. Get my second shot in about a week and a half. Stay well everyone.
We all carry a tracking device in our pocket now, willingly.

You mean cell phones?

What is the tracking prognosis on my 10+ year old flip phone, with no apps and no internet/GPS activation that I am aware of?  I never carry it while in my home area because I have no service.  I only carry it and turn it on when I trek into civilization across Back Creek mountain.  Even when I travel west to Pocahontas Co WV I never carry it because it never works supposedly from the block from the Greenbank WV Observatory.

I'll the you the story of how the army can find your cell phone the moment you turn it on!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 31, 2021, 19:56:01 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 31, 2021, 19:30:25 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 31, 2021, 19:07:30 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on March 31, 2021, 18:48:06 PM
Quote from: greg on March 30, 2021, 20:56:25 PMI had someone say the shot is how they track you. I have lived in same Area 51 years. Worked same job 30 and drive a big yellow box truck ar work. I told them I'm not too damn hard to find as it is. Get my second shot in about a week and a half. Stay well everyone.
We all carry a tracking device in our pocket now, willingly.

You mean cell phones?

What is the tracking prognosis on my 10+ year old flip phone, with no apps and no internet/GPS activation that I am aware of?  I never carry it while in my home area because I have no service.  I only carry it and turn it on when I trek into civilization across Back Creek mountain.  Even when I travel west to Pocahontas Co WV I never carry it because it never works supposedly from the block from the Greenbank WV Observatory.

I'll the you the story of how the army can find your cell phone the moment you turn it on!


Tell us the story.

I never worried about someone finding or tracking me, but this may prove to be yet another reason to get rid of the damned thing.  I was never fond of cell phones, and I don't see that sentiment changing.

I don't remember having a landline until I was high school age, and that freaking thing got me into more trouble than I earned (girls' parents calling my mom, school calling my parents, ugly girls calling me, game warden tracking my whereabouts, etc.).  Piss on all phones! 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on March 31, 2021, 20:21:21 PM
Quote from: troutboy_II on March 31, 2021, 09:32:30 AMYou live in Area 51 :o  :o  :o
it's kinda freaky.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 31, 2021, 21:47:22 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 31, 2021, 19:56:01 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 31, 2021, 19:30:25 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 31, 2021, 19:07:30 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on March 31, 2021, 18:48:06 PM
Quote from: greg on March 30, 2021, 20:56:25 PMI had someone say the shot is how they track you. I have lived in same Area 51 years. Worked same job 30 and drive a big yellow box truck ar work. I told them I'm not too damn hard to find as it is. Get my second shot in about a week and a half. Stay well everyone.
We all carry a tracking device in our pocket now, willingly.

You mean cell phones?

What is the tracking prognosis on my 10+ year old flip phone, with no apps and no internet/GPS activation that I am aware of?  I never carry it while in my home area because I have no service.  I only carry it and turn it on when I trek into civilization across Back Creek mountain.  Even when I travel west to Pocahontas Co WV I never carry it because it never works supposedly from the block from the Greenbank WV Observatory.

I'll the you the story of how the army can find your cell phone the moment you turn it on!


Tell us the story.

I never worried about someone finding or tracking me, but this may prove to be yet another reason to get rid of the damned thing.  I was never fond of cell phones, and I don't see that sentiment changing.

I don't remember having a landline until I was high school age, and that freaking thing got me into more trouble than I earned (girls' parents calling my mom, school calling my parents, ugly girls calling me, game warden tracking my whereabouts, etc.).  Piss on all phones! 

Correction it was Air Force Search and Rescue..

this is the story...

https://www.brfff.com/forum/index.php/topic,9987.msg74967.html#msg74967
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on April 12, 2021, 11:16:00 AM
Got #2 moderna yesterday and it's rough. Feel like a really bad cold or flu. Woke up with fever. Damn I hope this shot works.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on April 12, 2021, 12:16:32 PM
Quote from: greg on April 12, 2021, 11:16:00 AMGot #2 moderna yesterday and it's rough. Feel like a really bad cold or flu. Woke up with fever. Damn I hope this shot works.
CDC says that means your body is building protection.  My reaction wasn't that strong, but that's what I'm counting on.


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/expect/after.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/expect/after.html)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on April 12, 2021, 13:16:52 PM
Quote from: greg on April 12, 2021, 11:16:00 AMGot #2 moderna yesterday and it's rough. Feel like a really bad cold or flu. Woke up with fever. Damn I hope this shot works.
Got my second one Friday, and it threw my ass down and stomped me flat Saturday. I felt fine yesterday, though. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on April 12, 2021, 15:42:55 PM
Glad I'm no the only one. I worked part of day today but it has whipped my ass. Surely tomorrow will be better.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on May 25, 2021, 07:21:19 AM
It has been interesting to hear the perspective of those folks in central  TX who do not give a rip about Covid.  It seems many do not regard it as a threat, and believe the response was more destructive than the virus, which oddly mirrors the immune system response to the virus. During my time there last week, I did not meet a person who was vaccinated yet. Some asserted 90 percent of the population  in the Lampassas-Hamilton area were infected, and most seem to simply not give two fucks about the virus.

While I don't agree or disagree with their stance, I chose to mask up because I thought it was the right thing to do, and did not use the mask as a tribal badge.  That being said, it would also be helpful if we did not judge others so harshly.  Gov. DeWine (R) is a wise man for impletmenting the vaccine lottery.

I don't think most Americans understand how many hands on deck is required to get food where it belongs. We are 7 meals away from revolution. A complete shutdown is not feasible.  Fauci is an epidemic expert, and not a logistics expert.

Regarding the Flynn piece, his remarks are clearly for an exploitable target audience, but it is undeniable Covid was leveraged by certain media outlets to achieve certain politcal objectives.  I see no real difference between the Q leaning Trumpers and the Wokers.  Both need to STFU and get a life.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on May 26, 2021, 06:13:04 AM
Quote from: Onslow on May 25, 2021, 07:21:19 AMI see no real difference between the Q leaning Trumpers and the Wokers.  Both need to STFU and get a life.

Perhaps, but does WOKE have a Marjorie Taylor Greene?

I am impressed with the scientific process and swiftness dealing with this bug.  It was amazing.  I am particularly grateful for the work and fortitude of Karikó and Weissman. 

Science rules!!!!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on May 31, 2021, 08:50:10 AM
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on June 03, 2021, 18:04:53 PM
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins#intcid=recommendations_vf-trending-legacy_37493f57-ba83-4ee9-bb1d-a326289ecbf9_popular4-1


Well now!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on June 04, 2021, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: Onslow on June 03, 2021, 18:04:53 PMhttps://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins#intcid=recommendations_vf-trending-legacy_37493f57-ba83-4ee9-bb1d-a326289ecbf9_popular4-1


Well now!
Anybody who ever thought the virus came from a bat in a market instead of from the big viral lab next door to the market has been living in dreamland.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on June 04, 2021, 17:28:44 PM
It's both disappointing and worrisome experts we lean on so heavily would succumb to Trump derangement syndrome, and compromise their integrity in a manner such as this. It was also the Lancet that reportedly hated on HCQ just because the orange man spoke well of it, using dubious methods and data to arrive a certain conclusions. It is learned later.....

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study




Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on June 04, 2021, 18:13:12 PM
Everything is so politicized nowadays, that it is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on June 04, 2021, 19:23:02 PM
I do take issue with the Vanity Fair article over the assertion Trump's anti Chinese rhetoric lead to anti Asian violence. I've seen nothing on the news where Trump supporters have been attacking Asians.  What we have seen is an increase in violence in cities where Asians live due to boneheaded policies.

Telling lies until they stick is very Trumpy.  Someone should tell the writer this.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on June 04, 2021, 21:21:26 PM
Quote from: Onslow on June 04, 2021, 19:23:02 PMI do take issue with the Vanity Fair article over the assertion Trump's anti Chinese rhetoric lead to anti Asian violence. I've seen nothing on the news where Trump supporters have been attacking Asians.


Then you are fucking blind!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on June 05, 2021, 05:35:48 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on June 04, 2021, 21:21:26 PM
Quote from: Onslow on June 04, 2021, 19:23:02 PMI do take issue with the Vanity Fair article over the assertion Trump's anti Chinese rhetoric lead to anti Asian violence. I've seen nothing on the news where Trump supporters have been attacking Asians.


Then you are fucking blind!

We are all visually impaired to some extent.  I trust that you are aware enough to understand the difference between causation, and correlation.

https://www.kqed.org/news/11859965/700-anti-asian-hate-incidents-reported-in-bay-area-during-pandemic-true-figures-might-be-even-worse

Things have reportedly become so bad, a recall effort may be underway.

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/09/829955754/son-of-60s-radicals-is-the-new-d-a-in-san-francisco-facing-the-covid-19-crisis


Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on July 12, 2021, 12:24:18 PM
Ignorami

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fauci-says-horrifying-see-cpac-144239590.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on July 21, 2021, 21:41:43 PM
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on July 21, 2021, 22:04:33 PM
Quick check.
Nope.  d:b
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Sedition and Pockets on July 22, 2021, 06:35:05 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on July 21, 2021, 21:41:43 PM5BFC561F-7A2A-4CFD-8885-6B57FC791A3E.jpeg

No.  More's the pity.  Would save me some money.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on July 22, 2021, 09:16:27 AM
Quote from: Sedition and Pockets on July 22, 2021, 06:35:05 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on July 21, 2021, 21:41:43 PM5BFC561F-7A2A-4CFD-8885-6B57FC791A3E.jpeg

No.  More's the pity.  Would save me some money.

 :laugh:  :laugh:  :bow  Now that's funny right there. It sure would have saved me money in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on July 23, 2021, 15:16:08 PM
Bye, bye!!!!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/07/23/rick-dennison-minnesota-vikings-assistant-coach-refuse-covid-vaccine/8073254002/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on July 25, 2021, 11:11:50 AM
This ain't necessarily Fly Fishing -  more appropriately in this thread?  from a "Dan Baily" not from the flyshop family?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRr-e6Wj_8R/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again (https://www.instagram.com/p/CRr-e6Wj_8R/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on July 25, 2021, 12:08:48 PM
JWGNC- I saw this a couple of days ago. Totally uncalled for, espically with his family there.  I've also been watching closely the problems he's having with the NAS spying on him and unmasking his name. Once again we have people in the WH willing to weaponize government agencies to go after their enemies. I don't care if you hate Carlson, the use of government agencies like the IRS, NAS, and the FBI to harass and silence US citizens has to stop. I admit when the Patriot Act first came out I was all for it, I was wrong. It needs to be reeled in and some changes need to be made. It could be you tomorrow because they are willing to do it to anyone.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on July 25, 2021, 12:21:27 PM
If you've never listened to Edward Snowden talk about the things these alphabet agencies are doing to us you need to. It's mind blowing what's actually going on and how he's been silenced and probably lives in fear of being snatched and "suicided".
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on July 25, 2021, 12:24:07 PM
QuoteJWGNC- I saw this a couple of days ago. Totally uncalled for, espically with his family there.  I've also been watching closely the problems he's having with the NAS spying on him and unmasking his name. Once again we have people in the WH willing to weaponize government agencies to go after their enemies. I don't care if you hate Carlson, the use of government agencies like the IRS, NAS, and the FBI to harass and silence US citizens has to stop. I admit when the Patriot Act first came out I was all for it, I was wrong. It needs to be reeled in and some changes need to be made. It could be you tomorrow because they are willing to do it to anyone.

That NSA story is a crock of shit created by Fucker Carlson to stir the pot. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on July 25, 2021, 12:27:05 PM
I don't think so WB. The NAS has already admitted to unmasking him. They claim he was caught up in some other on going investigation, but his name never the less was unmasked. That's aginst the law. d:b No doubt he's not going to ride it into the ground to boost his ratings, I would
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on July 25, 2021, 14:01:45 PM
https://youtu.be/XMGxxRRtmHc

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on July 25, 2021, 14:54:10 PM
Everyone is so busy calling each other idiots, homophobic, and racists etc that we never actually do anything about the real problems we face. The networks and the talking heads feed off of each other. Guys like Olive would be doing standup in some smoky club in Arkansas living in a trailer with his 4th wife. without it  :laugh:  :P
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on July 25, 2021, 14:56:00 PM
QuoteJWGNC- I saw this a couple of days ago. Totally uncalled for, espically with his family there.  I've also been watching closely the problems he's having with the NAS spying on him and unmasking his name.

I hate to get into a pissing contest since my three Prostate Cancer procedures have left me nearly defenseless.  But here goes.

On the first point, I agree only that the hushed voice of Dan was uncalled for, since Tucker yells at people as he spews lies nearly every night.  And he does it with unsuspecting family members present, who may have inadvertently clicked on Fox when they were really looking for news.  I don't watch any news on TV ( which hasn't really been news since Walter Cronkite retired), preferring to read it online - mostly BBC.  I hit 5 or 6 other news websites, briefly looking at Fox to get alternate views, as much of the media is left of center.

Media Bias Chart 7.0 January 2021 Edition (https://www.adfontesmedia.com/static-mbc/)

On the second point, I agree that the NSA does far too much unmasking which is legal under a variety of stipulations (but are likely subject to interpretation).  According to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ODNI), 9,217 unmasking requests were fulfilled in 2016, 9,529 in 2017, 16,721 in 2018 and 10,012 in 2019.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on July 25, 2021, 15:29:12 PM
Quote from: jwgnc on July 25, 2021, 14:56:00 PM
QuoteJWGNC- I saw this a couple of days ago. Totally uncalled for, espically with his family there.  I've also been watching closely the problems he's having with the NAS spying on him and unmasking his name.

I hate to get into a pissing contest since my three Prostate Cancer procedures have left me nearly defenseless.  But here goes.

On the first point, I agree only that the hushed voice of Dan was uncalled for, since Tucker yells at people as he spews lies nearly every night.  And he does it with unsuspecting family members present, who may have inadvertently clicked on Fox when they were really looking for news.  I don't watch any news on TV ( which hasn't really been news since Walter Cronkite retired), preferring to read it online - mostly BBC.  I hit 5 or 6 other news websites, briefly looking at Fox to get alternate views, as much of the media is left of center.

Media Bias Chart 7.0 January 2021 Edition (https://www.adfontesmedia.com/static-mbc/)

On the second point, I agree that the NSA does far too much unmasking which is legal under a variety of stipulations (but are likely subject to interpretation).  According to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ODNI), 9,217 unmasking requests were fulfilled in 2016, 9,529 in 2017, 16,721 in 2018 and 10,012 in 2019.


No contest here, I'm not defending him. You're right he's rude and interrupts and mocks his guest constantly. I certainly don't see him or any of the other taking heads as purveyors or oracles of truth. I'm like you, I can't hardly watch any of it any more. I don't care who the NAS is spying on, it's not right, and it reeks of some dark government controled society BS. After reading and listening to Snowden for many hours I was horrified by the extent and complexities of the government's desire to monitor and control our lives.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 05, 2021, 11:52:47 AM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSFqo1qHUwZ/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 05, 2021, 17:57:17 PM
What ever happened to the call for more ventilators, ICU, and hospital beds 18 months ago when we were first locked down and masked up? Just 2 weeks to slow the spread. :P
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 05, 2021, 18:26:01 PM
Fear. You must live in a state of it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 05, 2021, 18:37:42 PM
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Surfs up - catch a wave!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 05, 2021, 19:00:24 PM
We always see the positive case numbers, but what I'm not seeing is a break down of the cases.  How many of those are asymptotic, mild, severe, or in the case of NC how many have had the virus and now recovered. NC has no numbers on recovered cases, at least none that I can find.  I'm curious how much lag time there is between positive cases reported and deaths? Look at deaths in the link at the end of this post, are they down because we are haveing more success treating the virus, or is it the lag time?  https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard/cases (https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard/cases)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on August 05, 2021, 19:18:10 PM
Wife's colleague's husband is near death and on life support. He is in his thirtys.

My nephew and his wife are both down. The have a 6 month old.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 05, 2021, 19:32:20 PM
There are the untouched naysayers and conspiracy theorists, then there are people like Ken just chronicled who are suffering.
Get vaxed. Please.
If you value your friends, family and neighbors, you do it.
The peace I've felt since vaxed is real. But I'm still masking in stores because I still could be carrying. And I have grandkids I don't want to infect.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 05, 2021, 19:40:43 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on August 05, 2021, 19:32:20 PMThere are the untouched naysayers and conspiracy theorists, then there are people like Ken just chronicled who are suffering.
Get vaxed. Please.
If you value your friends, family and neighbors, you do it.
The peace I've felt since vaxed is real. But I'm still masking in stores because I still could be carrying. And I have grandkids I don't want to infect.


Doug I'm vaccinated and I'm stressing out about the effectivness of the vaccine. The failure rate is growing by the day. https://www.ibtimes.com/future-covid-19-variant-will-lead-vaccine-failure-scientists-warn-3264192 (https://www.ibtimes.com/future-covid-19-variant-will-lead-vaccine-failure-scientists-warn-3264192)

Onslow- that's awful, we all have those stories to tell at this point.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 05, 2021, 19:54:13 PM
I don't choose to call it the "failure rate".
No vaccine is 100% effective. But even if you get the Vid, you are so, so much better off with the vax. The hospitalization rate and death rate are sooo much lower. And science is adjusting as new variants come down the road. And they will, as the world is largely unvaxed. I'm prepared to take a booster, asap.
That being said, I'm getting my first shingles shot in 10 days. Fuck that shit, too.
Meanwhile, I'm exploring in WV, which appears to be much safer than NC at this time. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 05, 2021, 19:55:46 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 05, 2021, 19:00:24 PMWe always see the positive case numbers, but what I'm not seeing is a break down of the cases.  How many of those are asymptotic, mild, severe, or in the case of NC how many have had the virus and now recovered. NC has no numbers on recovered cases, at least none that I can find.  I'm curious how much lag time there is between positive cases reported and deaths? Look at deaths in the link at the end of this post, are they down because we are haveing more success treating the virus, or is it the lag time? July 5 there were 388 Covid ICU hospitalizations, today 388 ICU hospitalizations. https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard/cases (https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard/cases)

30 days — triple the number of hospitalizations


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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 05, 2021, 20:11:49 PM
Yep, I see that and I am hoping it either has or will spike soon.  ICU hospitalization rate is even more alarming. What percentage of the Covid positive are hospitalized? I can't seem to find that number because NC only shows total numbers of those that have tested positive since the China Flu started. Never mind, I found some CDC numbers. Age plays an important role obviously.  :o https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e3.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e3.htm)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 05, 2021, 21:04:09 PM
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More and more businesses are requiring vaccinations

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on August 05, 2021, 21:04:35 PM
Ivermectin > vaccine in some circles.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 05, 2021, 21:11:56 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on August 05, 2021, 19:54:13 PMI don't choose to call it the "failure rate".
No vaccine is 100% effective. But even if you get the Vid, you are so, so much better off with the vax. The hospitalization rate and death rate are sooo much lower. And science is adjusting as new variants come down the road. And they will, as the world is largely unvaxed. I'm prepared to take a booster, asap.
That being said, I'm getting my first shingles shot in 10 days. Fuck that shit, too.
Meanwhile, I'm exploring in WV, which appears to be much safer than NC at this time. 

Good luck, I had 2 shingles vaccines and I still got a mild case. The itching almost drove me crazy, or should I say crazier <-;:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 05, 2021, 21:14:16 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 05, 2021, 21:04:09 PM27D24C28-D805-4072-A072-B7B7C6D9E774.jpeg

More and more businesses are requiring vaccinations



Well you outta be good to go then :drum  :P
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 06, 2021, 07:11:06 AM
https://nypost.com/2021/08/06/virginia-man-travis-campbell-urges-anti-vaxxers-to-get-covid-shots/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 06, 2021, 07:15:24 AM
https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1421934766505398272

1. These are San Diego County data where infections are tracked by vaccination status and has one of the highest sequencing rates of samples in the US
2. The benefit of vaccination for protection vs infections has grown substantially during the Delta wave
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 06, 2021, 13:47:13 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 06, 2021, 07:15:24 AMhttps://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1421934766505398272

1. These are San Diego County data where infections are tracked by vaccination status and has one of the highest sequencing rates of samples in the US
2. The benefit of vaccination for protection vs infections has grown substantially during the Delta wave

I've read some other stuff Topol has written. I have read some good and bad news. He says the vaccine gives you a 91-96% chance of avoiding death, that's good. The bad news is he says it is only 67% effective for the Beta strain, and 71% for the Delta. It also appears that if you have any of the comorbidities  that were initially causing higher death rates, the vaccine may be less effective. The best I can understand is the vaccines we currently have narrowly target just one protein spike. There are more vaccines on the way. https://observer.com/2021/04/covid-variant-vaccine-next-generation-pfizer-moderna-inovio-astra/ (https://observer.com/2021/04/covid-variant-vaccine-next-generation-pfizer-moderna-inovio-astra/)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 06, 2021, 18:51:38 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 05, 2021, 21:11:56 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on August 05, 2021, 19:54:13 PMI don't choose to call it the "failure rate".
No vaccine is 100% effective. But even if you get the Vid, you are so, so much better off with the vax. The hospitalization rate and death rate are sooo much lower. And science is adjusting as new variants come down the road. And they will, as the world is largely unvaxed. I'm prepared to take a booster, asap.
That being said, I'm getting my first shingles shot in 10 days. Fuck that shit, too.
Meanwhile, I'm exploring in WV, which appears to be much safer than NC at this time. 

Good luck, I had 2 shingles vaccines and I still got a mild case. The itching almost drove me crazy, or should I say crazier <-;:
The shingles vaccine knocked my wife's ass flat for two days. I haven't gotten it yet.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 06, 2021, 19:05:13 PM
Quote from: Onslow on August 05, 2021, 21:04:35 PMIvermectin > vaccine in some circles.

I ain't convinced, and certainly not the sheep dip and horse pudding variety that some are trying to confiscate. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/can-ivermectin-treat-covid-19-what-you-should-know-about-this-controversial-drug/ar-AALXFB8?ocid=uxbndlbing

https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/product-safety-information/fda-letter-stakeholders-do-not-use-ivermectin-intended-animals-treatment-covid-19-humans

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 06, 2021, 21:25:07 PM
https://apple.news/AAUQILvmUTleJB-iHYr3BIQ

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 06, 2021, 23:35:33 PM
A 31% failure rate in GB for the Pfizer vaccine against the Delta variant is disappointing :P I was shocked to read the threshold for a viably successful vaccine according to the FDA is 50% :o 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 08, 2021, 11:26:54 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/u-s-city-with-2-4-million-population-has-just-six-icu-beds-left/ar-AAN4aaD

Dire situation in Austin Texas
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 08, 2021, 16:57:54 PM
I'm not sure how many ICU beds they have in Austin on a good day. Most people would be surprised to know how few ICU beds there are in any given hospital. I just looked over the information quickly.  This part of Texas was probably intentionally choosen. Maybe they should start quarantining all the illegal traffic down that way. I heard there were 7000 positive cases last monty alone. This screen shot  tells me that there may actually be room to move some people around with in the state. I'm hearing horror stories coming out of LA,MS,and AL. They don't have any beds and are having to send patients out of state. IGuests are not allowed to view images in posts, please Register or Login
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 08, 2021, 17:04:47 PM
I think this is a little better article on the situation from an Austin news paper. 167 ICU patients on Aug 6, that tells you haw few ICU beds they have. UNC hospital in Chapel Hill only has 138 ICU beds and 20 of those are reserved for pediatrics. https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/07/30/only-16-icu-beds-available-region-austin-health-officials-warn/5427903001/ (https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/07/30/only-16-icu-beds-available-region-austin-health-officials-warn/5427903001/)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 08, 2021, 21:55:18 PM
Copied from Brian Kerns FB
BREAKING NEWS: From the front lines, direct quotes from a national Physician board this morning:
——
ER doc, Pensacola: "How bad is it locally? Sacred Heart in Pensacola told pt (obese/dm/osa) go home (sats 88-89) and don't come back unless it is less than 85. No room.  We held a hemorrhagic stroke in a rural ED for 5 hours due to a lack of beds to transfer. Spoke to Little Rock who said they had transfers from Oklahoma. It is only expected to get worse here. I know I am preaching to the choir but I am at a loss, tired and quite frankly scared."

Physician, Orlando: "Apparently, Advent Health Celebration had a 10 hour wait time to be seen in the ED and Advent Health Orlando set a new record for ICU admissions on Monday."

Physician, Orlando: "Lakeland Regional COVID admissions were 286 yesterday. Previous high was 180 in January."

Physician, Central Florida: "Central FL. All OR cases cancelled as PACU being used for inpatients. All 4 area hospitals without beds to accept transfers. Shit is real."

Physician, Florida: "It's horrid. I've never seen anything like it. Transfer taking 2 days to get here and minimal care in the free standing ER (not because of bad care but everyone just way overstretched there with no resources). It's really terrible here in Florida."

Physician, Louisiana: "We are full at all area hospitals just north of New Orleans. We have a high rate of unvaccinated people 😢"

Physician, Texas: "Can't get an ICU bed in Houston.
I saw every single patient on my night shift last night in the waiting room because we're holding boarders in every ED bed."

Physician, Nashville: "I took a transfer from Alabama yesterday (we're in Nashville) because the outside hospital couldn't find anyone in state..."

Physician, Alabama: "Completely understand we sent one to Vandy last week from southwest Alabama Also one to Grady and University Hospital in New Orleans. So then a rural area is out a ambulance for 8 to 12 hours."

Physician, Tennessee: "Our hospital is at capacity. They have put tents outside to house ER patients. Admitted patients are waiting 24-48 hours in the hallways on stretchers to get a room. Per my husband, an internal email was sent out telling all the doctors to discharge patients "today."
The consequence of this will be that patients who are still sick and unstable will be discharged and show up at their doctors' offices looking for treatment that can't be given in an outpatient setting.
I can guarantee that the number of people dying of other illnesses will also increase."

Physician, SE TX: SETX here. "I can't transfer a 20 year old patient on BiPAP. No ICU beds in Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arkansas. We exhausted options. The state suggested we try North or South Dakota but the ambulance transport wants half the bill up front prior to transfer.
Pt is getting no Remdesivir and no plasma as it is in a freestanding."
[and a reply from another doc: "Is the 20 y/o vaccinated ? Sorry to say but I have little to no empathy for anyone who refused to get vaccinated & is now knocking on deaths door."]

Physician, Panama City, FL: "I'm in Panama City FL. We are beyond maxed. At full surge. Transferring pts to other facilities (Ft. Walton, P'cola) when possible. Previous high Covid census of 65 in January. We were at 103 yesterday. Only 35% vaccine rate in Bay county. It sucks."

Physician, Kansas City: "Kansas City ICUs all full, not accepting transfers."

#healthcare #COVID19 #physician #hospital
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 08, 2021, 22:19:22 PM
Now we have the Lambda variant of the China Flu to deal with. Stop sending Covid positive people all over the US from the Southern border. https://news.yahoo.com/vaccine-resistant-lambda-variant-us-193100413.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 09, 2021, 09:15:56 AM
Norwegian 1,  DeSantis 0

https://news.trust.org/item/20210809020408-gvbyl
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 09, 2021, 09:39:35 AM
Epidemiologists had hoped getting 70 or 80 percent of the population vaccinated, in combination with immunity from natural infections, would bring the virus under control. But a more contagious virus means the vaccination target has to be much higher, perhaps in the range of 90 percent.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/e2-80-98goldilocks-virus-e2-80-99-delta-vanquishes-all-variant-rivals-as-scientists-race-to-understand-its-tricks/ar-AAN58B4
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 09, 2021, 10:07:45 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 08, 2021, 22:19:22 PMNow we have the Lambda variant of the China Flu to deal with. Stop sending Covid positive people all over the US from the Southern border. https://news.yahoo.com/vaccine-resistant-lambda-variant-us-193100413.html


"There are currently more than 1,300 Lambda (C.37) sequences in the U.S. as of August 4, 2021, and the Lambda variant has been identified in 44 states," a spokesperson with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently told Newsweek.

So, you think the Lambda cases in 44 states are the result of folks dispersed from the southern border? 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 09, 2021, 17:06:31 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 09, 2021, 10:07:45 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 08, 2021, 22:19:22 PMNow we have the Lambda variant of the China Flu to deal with. Stop sending Covid positive people all over the US from the Southern border. https://news.yahoo.com/vaccine-resistant-lambda-variant-us-193100413.html


"There are currently more than 1,300 Lambda (C.37) sequences in the U.S. as of August 4, 2021, and the Lambda variant has been identified in 44 states," a spokesperson with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recently told Newsweek.

So, you think the Lambda cases in 44 states are the result of folks dispersed from the southern border? 


I have no idea how many illegals have the China flu, let alone what variants they are infected with. I do know that they aren't vaccinating them before shipping them off to parts unknow. I do know that in excess of 1,000,000 :o  have crossed the boarder since Jan 2021 (210,000 in july alone), and hell fire that's only the ones they caught. They only test them if they show symptoms. No close contact tracing is taking place. No close contact quarantine (10 days and a negtive test) like we are all subjected to. The are being locked away in small crowded poorly ventlated cells.100+ Border patrol agents have tested positive. I do know that they are being loaded daily on planes and buses and being sent to parts (all but a few bureaucrats) unknown across the US. We are even using the US military to fly them places. The government won't tell us how many, and they won't tell us where they are going. I do find it ironic that in some of the places they turn up like FL, AL, MS, TX are now hotbeds for the China fly outbreak. I think they are mostly being shipped to Red states as a means to help change the demographic in order to influence the vote. They will gain voting privileges, that's coming. I thing the  Lambda varriant was first discovered in Peru and has spread all over Latin and Centeral America. Honestly I don't know where all the people are coming from, I think they have caught people from about 55 differnet countries. :o  We are in a pandemic and sound common sense measures are being ignored. Think about this, I have to show my vaccine card to enter a restaurant to show I'm vaccinated while wearing a mask. If fly I need a Covid test, if I travel out of the country I need a negative test to even be let back in my own country. A few people pulling the strings have gone insane! I'm not going to try and add a bunch of links or videos. I know you are a smart person well capable of finding your own and would only question my sources. I will give you this one just to get started on the right tract. IMO, it's a super spreader shit show at the boarder. :o

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/18-percent-migrant-families-leaving-border-patrol-custody-tested-positive-n1276244 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/18-percent-migrant-families-leaving-border-patrol-custody-tested-positive-n1276244)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 09, 2021, 17:12:43 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 08, 2021, 22:19:22 PMNow we have the Lambda variant of the China Flu to deal with. Stop sending Covid positive people all over the US from the Southern border. https://news.yahoo.com/vaccine-resistant-lambda-variant-us-193100413.html
But, if they don't, how are they going to start more outbreaks to blame on Republican governors?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 09, 2021, 17:29:36 PM
Hmm......, that investigation worked.   
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on August 09, 2021, 17:36:35 PM
Hold your horses on those case numbers. Those Republican governors have asked for a recount. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 09, 2021, 17:51:50 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 09, 2021, 17:29:36 PMHmm......, that investigation worked.   

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 09, 2021, 18:07:58 PM
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 09, 2021, 18:10:02 PM
Do you shave your legs ?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 09, 2021, 18:14:47 PM
Do you want to touch them? :P
Psst: I'm vaxed.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 09, 2021, 18:15:53 PM
NO! I don't want Keith to get jealous :P  :laugh:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 09, 2021, 18:22:45 PM
I just wanted to call "Jump Ball" on you woke covid battle bots.
BTW, Ala Fricking Bama tossed away thousands of expired vaccines because hey, roll tide white people, black people.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 09, 2021, 18:39:36 PM
I quess you're talking to me. You got it wrong with me Doug. I'm not woke,  I'm vaccinated, and I wish more people would get vaccinated. The two problems I've tried to address here in this thread are the failure rate of the vaccines and the super spreader event going on at the border. I'm not sure what you are saying about AL? I thought if you kept the vaccines frozen they would be viable for more than 6 months.  I know once it's unfrozen the clock is ticking, maybe 3-5 days? I'm not sure what happened in AL? I also don't understand what the roll tide white people/black people comment means?.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 09, 2021, 18:41:41 PM
Carry on, my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more
... Once I rose above the noise and confusion
Just to get a glimpse beyond this illusion
I was soaring ever higher
But I flew too high
Though my eyes could see, I still was a blind man
Though my mind could think, I still was a mad man
I hear the voices when I'm dreaming
I can hear them say
... Carry on, my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more
... Masquerading as a man with a reason
My charade is the event of the season
And if I claim to be a wise man, well
It surely means that I don't know
On a stormy sea of moving emotion
Tossed about, I'm like a ship on the ocean
I set a course for winds of fortune
But I hear the voices say
... Carry on my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more, no
... Carry on, you will always remember
Carry on, nothing equals the splendor
Now your life's no longer empty
Surely heaven waits for you
... Carry on, my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry, don't you cry no more
... No more
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 09, 2021, 18:54:56 PM
I like Dust in the Wind better  /'/  :-* 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 09, 2021, 19:08:10 PM
Of course. It's much darker.
Right up your alley. :wave
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 09, 2021, 19:11:21 PM
I like to think it's more a reminder of how small and insignificant we all actually are. 8)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 09, 2021, 19:24:32 PM
Back to your previous  backbiting channel, bitches.
Glad I could help

I'm out. WV in the am.
Them cousins are doing better than most rednecks. At least the pretty, eastern parts.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 09, 2021, 21:53:20 PM
Have fun in WV, hope you catch a bunch. I'd wear long pants if I were you, wouldn't want no one to get the worng idea about those shaved legs  d:b
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 11, 2021, 07:34:19 AM
Our local school system decided to go forward with an optional face mask system.
I can't find much on how that works,  but was wondering if I had children in school and wanted them to wear masks, will the school administration ensure that my child is abiding by my wishes.
Anybody here know how that is supposed to work? 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 11, 2021, 12:29:14 PM
JACKSON, Miss. (WJTV) – The Mississippi State Department of Health (MSDH) released its weekly report on COVID-19 cases in K-12 schools in the state. The data showed nearly 1,000 students tested positive for the virus the week of August 2-6, 2021.

https://www.wjtv.com/health/coronavirus/nearly-1k-mississippi-students-test-positive-for-covid-19-after-schools-resume/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 11, 2021, 13:43:09 PM
Looks like the system has about  494,962 students and around 33358 teachers. 943 students tested positive, and 282 teachers tested positive.What I couldn't find is how many of them that they tested? But, lets assume they tested them all.  That would be .191% of the students and .845% of the teachers that tested positive. So that would be about 1.036 % tatal of teachers and students are infected. I'm not downplaying those numbers, one case is too many, but I'd say those numbers may very well be exceeded during a bad flu outbreak. I wonder how many of the teachers and students that came up positive have been vaccinated?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 11, 2021, 21:01:34 PM
This is fucking insane

https://twitter.com/formvscontent/status/1425329439420866563?s=21
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 11, 2021, 22:20:56 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 11, 2021, 21:01:34 PMThis is fucking insane

https://twitter.com/formvscontent/status/1425329439420866563?s=21

People are insane :P I see polarization at every turn now days. Most of it's geared towards negating or silencing one side or another. Shouting, cussing, running someone out of a public place, showing up at someone's home in the middle of the night and causing a scene in general has become the norm. More and more  people are scared to actually say what's on their mind.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 12, 2021, 08:53:26 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 11, 2021, 22:20:56 PMPeople are insane :P I see polarization at every turn now days. Most of it's geared towards negating or silencing one side or another. Shouting, cussing, running someone out of a public place, showing up at someone's home in the middle of the night and causing a scene in general has become the norm. More and more  people are scared to actually say what's on their mind.


I fail to see the relevance of this particular video to the virus, but I am culpable of similar derailing of topics also. 

TM, after searching some of your ancient posts and scrutinizing your recent contributions, I see a trend.  No worries, we are old dogs and new tricks are beyond our grasp. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 12, 2021, 09:29:17 AM
And that does mean that anyone who's still unvaccinated, at some point, will meet the virus. That might not be this month or next month, it might be next year, but at some point they will meet the virus and we don't have anything that will stop that transmission."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-with-the-covid-delta-variant-experts-say.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 12, 2021, 09:40:31 AM
https://nypost.com/2021/08/12/arnold-schwarzenegger-on-anti-maskers-screw-your-freedom
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 12, 2021, 11:11:59 AM
Quote from: troutrus on August 11, 2021, 07:34:19 AMOur local school system decided to go forward with an optional face mask system.
I can't find much on how that works,  but was wondering if I had children in school and wanted them to wear masks, will the school administration ensure that my child is abiding by my wishes.
Anybody here know how that is supposed to work? 

At about 8:30 into this video begins the public comment period for Rockingham Cnty School Board meeting where it was decided to have an optional facemask policy.
Much of this is absolutely unbelievable to me. Does anyone have any inkling as to where these anti maskers get this type of misinformation?
https://youtu.be/dO9_XfR_nqg
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 12, 2021, 16:15:04 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 12, 2021, 08:53:26 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 11, 2021, 22:20:56 PMPeople are insane :P I see polarization at every turn now days. Most of it's geared towards negating or silencing one side or another. Shouting, cussing, running someone out of a public place, showing up at someone's home in the middle of the night and causing a scene in general has become the norm. More and more  people are scared to actually say what's on their mind.

Great, I'm glad you liked it :drum The point is people are insane, you, me, all of us. 'c;


I fail to see the relevance of this particular video to the virus, but I am culpable of similar derailing of topics also. 

TM, after searching some of your ancient posts and scrutinizing your recent contributions, I see a trend.  No worries, we are old dogs and new tricks are beyond our grasp. 


Great! I'm glad you liked it. Individual freedoms deteriorate by the day. The politeness of society has deteriorated into a steaming pile of bovine feces. The idea of comply or be destroyed has become common place. I got vaccinated early on, and I wore a mask to avoid conflict, not because it has a chance in hell of preventing me from getting the virus. If you think a mask works, let me put you in a room and expose you to a laundy list of the nasty stuff they have at Ft Detrick in Maryland. Hell I'll let you wear 2 mask! Now it's looking more and more like the vaccine isn't going to prevent me from getting the virus either. If you want to wear a mask, wear one, if you want a vaccine, get one. If you want to curl up in a fetal position and hide in your home, do it. If I got a vaccine and wear a mask and they are all that effective why should I care what anyone else does? My point was people are indeed insane, you, me, everyone. As far as trends and past post go, mea culpa.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 12, 2021, 17:06:32 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 12, 2021, 09:29:17 AMAnd that does mean that anyone who's still unvaccinated, at some point, will meet the virus. That might not be this month or next month, it might be next year, but at some point they will meet the virus and we don't have anything that will stop that transmission."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-with-the-covid-delta-variant-experts-say.html


This article just confirms my disappointment of the vaccine's shortcomings. The quote previous to the quote you gave sums up my confidence in the current vaccines and maskings.  "I think we are in a situation here with this current variant where herd immunity is not a possibility because it still infects vaccinated individuals," said Pollard, one of the lead researchers in the creation of the AstraZeneca-University of Oxford vaccine.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 12, 2021, 18:01:27 PM
Quote from: troutrus on August 12, 2021, 11:11:59 AMDoes anyone have any inkling as to where these anti maskers get this type of misinformation?


The interwebs and Foxx Newss
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 12, 2021, 18:35:58 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 12, 2021, 18:01:27 PM
Quote from: troutrus on August 12, 2021, 11:11:59 AMDoes anyone have any inkling as to where these anti maskers get this type of misinformation?


The interwebs and FOXX Newss

Fixed it for you :P
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 12, 2021, 18:43:30 PM
I'm sure there are people somewhere in the shower or having sex with a mask on. That's fine with me if you want to wear one 24/7 for the rest of your life. If you want your kids to wear one that's fine with me to. You may want to include some type of eye protection as well. The virus is fully capable of entering through the mucus membrane of your eye. The size of a virus particle and the capibilities of the type of mask I see everyday is like trying to keep water out of a boat with a screen door bottom. Yes, some mask are more effective than others. Mask only give you a false sense of security. I wear one where I have to out of courtesy to other people, not because I think it is protecting either one of us. If you are going to wear protective gear might as well wear what's effective. Guests are not allowed to view images in posts, please Register or Login

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 12, 2021, 18:55:10 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 09, 2021, 18:39:36 PMI quess you're talking to me. You got it wrong with me Doug. I'm not woke,  I'm vaccinated, and I wish more people would get vaccinated. The two problems I've tried to address here in this thread are the failure rate of the vaccines and the super spreader event going on at the border. I'm not sure what you are saying about AL? I thought if you kept the vaccines frozen they would be viable for more than 6 months.  I know once it's unfrozen the clock is ticking, maybe 3-5 days? I'm not sure what happened in AL? I also don't understand what the roll tide white people/black people comment means?.
You're a racist because.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 12, 2021, 18:59:03 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 12, 2021, 18:43:30 PMI'm sure there are people somewhere in the shower or having sex with a mask on. That's fine with me if you want to wear one 24/7 for the rest of your life. If you want your kids to wear one that's fine with me to. You may want to include some type of eye protection as well. The virus is fully capable of entering through the mucus membrane of your eye. The size of a virus particle and the capibilities of the type of mask I see everyday is like trying to keep water out of a boat with a screen door bottom. Mask only give you a false sense of security. I wear one where I have to out of courtesy to other people, not because I think it is protecting either one of us.

I went in for my annual physical a week ago. The doctor's office requires the Magic Rags Of Protection. After sitting there for 45 minutes with a mask on, finally I got taken back to a room. 15 minutes later, a nurse came in to take my vitals. Everything checked out great, except my O2 level said 91. She asked if that was normal. I said no. She said take that mask off. Five minutes later, she checked it again and my O2 level was 99. Masks are great for your health.  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 12, 2021, 19:16:11 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 12, 2021, 18:59:03 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 12, 2021, 18:43:30 PMI'm sure there are people somewhere in the shower or having sex with a mask on. That's fine with me if you want to wear one 24/7 for the rest of your life. If you want your kids to wear one that's fine with me to. You may want to include some type of eye protection as well. The virus is fully capable of entering through the mucus membrane of your eye. The size of a virus particle and the capibilities of the type of mask I see everyday is like trying to keep water out of a boat with a screen door bottom. Mask only give you a false sense of security. I wear one where I have to out of courtesy to other people, not because I think it is protecting either one of us.


I went in for my annual physical a week ago. The doctor's office requires the Magic Rags Of Protection. After sitting there for 45 minutes with a mask on, finally I got taken back to a room. 15 minutes later, a nurse came in to take my vitals. Everything checked out great, except my O2 level said 91. She asked if that was normal. I said no. She said take that mask off. Five minutes later, she checked it again and my O2 level was 99. Masks are great for your health.  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n  n!n

But you're just a dumbass hillbilly, what do you know? :P  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 12, 2021, 19:25:13 PM
"Apparently, though, the fact that the movie was fictional is not preventing people on social media from claiming that I Am Legend is a reason to not to get the Covid-19 vaccine. It's also not preventing others from listening to such claims.

The assertion is that in the movie, again a fictional movie, a vaccine started the zombie apocalypse that subsequently wiped out a lot of humanity. Therefore, you, assuming that you follow what fictional movies may tell you, should not get the Covid-19 vaccine. After all, who would want to become a flesh-eating zombie? It could make it even more difficult to get a job or a date and cause other folks to mute you on Zoom."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/08/09/anti-vaxxers-using-i-am-legend-movie-against-covid-19-vaccines/?sh=20619a921473
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 12, 2021, 19:45:57 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 12, 2021, 09:40:31 AMhttps://nypost.com/2021/08/12/arnold-schwarzenegger-on-anti-maskers-screw-your-freedom

I loved the Terminator movies.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 12, 2021, 19:58:28 PM
Quote from: troutrus on August 12, 2021, 19:25:13 PM"Apparently, though, the fact that the movie was fictional is not preventing people on social media from claiming that I Am Legend is a reason to not to get the Covid-19 vaccine. It's also not preventing others from listening to such claims.

The assertion is that in the movie, again a fictional movie, a vaccine started the zombie apocalypse that subsequently wiped out a lot of humanity. Therefore, you, assuming that you follow what fictional movies may tell you, should not get the Covid-19 vaccine. After all, who would want to become a flesh-eating zombie? It could make it even more difficult to get a job or a date and cause other folks to mute you on Zoom."

Quote from: troutrus on August 12, 2021, 19:25:13 PM:laugh: https://nypost.com/2020/10/19/jeffrey-toobin-was-masturbating-in-front-of-new-yorker-bigs-report/"Apparently, though, the fact that the movie was fictional is not preventing people on social media from claiming that I Am Legend is a reason to not to get the Covid-19 vaccine. It's also not preventing others from listening to such claims.

The assertion is that in the movie, again a fictional movie, a vaccine started the zombie apocalypse that subsequently wiped out a lot of humanity. Therefore, you, assuming that you follow what fictional movies may tell you, should not get the Covid-19 vaccine. After all, who would want to become a flesh-eating zombie? It could make it even more difficult to get a job or a date and cause other folks to mute you on Zoom."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/08/09/anti-vaxxers-using-i-am-legend-movie-against-covid-19-vaccines/?sh=20619a921473

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/08/09/anti-vaxxers-using-i-am-legend-movie-against-covid-19-vaccines/?sh=20619a921473

That's crazy! Speaking of muted on a zoom call, I bet Jeffery Toobin from CNN wishes he was muted when he was caught jerking off on a zoom call. https://nypost.com/2020/10/19/jeffrey-toobin-was-masturbating-in-front-of-new-yorker-bigs-report/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 13, 2021, 01:20:06 AM
910DD49E-C3EE-4287-BD74-F676AB071D2B.png

Wait till school starts ...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 13, 2021, 05:56:45 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 13, 2021, 01:20:06 AM910DD49E-C3EE-4287-BD74-F676AB071D2B.png

Wait till school starts ...

SAD!!!
Having followed this thread for a few days, I'm guessing the next move will be for someone to point out how many thousands of kids are in each of those age groups, in an attempt to make the current situation seem insignificant, which is fine if non of the kids are yours.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 13, 2021, 06:41:41 AM
Quote from: troutrus on August 13, 2021, 05:56:45 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 13, 2021, 01:20:06 AM910DD49E-C3EE-4287-BD74-F676AB071D2B.png

Wait till school starts ...

Having followed this thread for a few days, I'm guessing the next move will be for someone to point out how many thousands of kids are in each of those age groups, in an attempt to make the current situation seem insignificant, which is fine if non of the kids are yours.

Sorry to see any kids are sick, and no I don't think any number is insignificant. I've never ment my post to imply that anyone being sick or this virus are insignificant. I'm not anti vaccine nor am I anti mask either. I have simply tried to point out that both may be inadequate to combat this virus. But when I do look at numbers I see things like this. There are about 83,907 kids under 18 in Forsyth county. 147 of them tested positive for Covid this week so far. If my math is right that means there is about a .0017 infection rate of kids under 18. Is this a crazy out of control pandemic number? I don't know, I'm not qualified to make that call. Start date is Aug 23 for the school year and I think you are right, these numbers are going to explode and if they do we will be shut down again. Wash your hands frequently and don't go anywhere you don't have to, especially if there are a bunch of people there.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on August 13, 2021, 06:49:43 AM
I'm honestly confused at what you propose we do with kids in school. You raise the issue of kids at school contracting it, but fail to state the solution you are wanting. You wanting masks, social distancing, remote, or a combo of all?

I'm honestly not for masks for my first grader. I really feel there is more harm done than good for her age group. That kid comes home every day with her mask covered in spit and drool. I'm talking about you could ring it out wet. Not to mention CDC says touching the mask is counterproductive and can actually lead to more contamination than not wearing one at all and that kid touches it and readjusts it million times a day.

But again, I'm also not at board meetings scream at board directors. Not their fault and I understand they are trying to do what is best for everyone with the information they have. Just trying to make best due I can in these crazy times.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 13, 2021, 08:43:12 AM
Quote from: Big J on August 13, 2021, 06:49:43 AMI'm honestly confused at what you propose we do with kids in school. You raise the issue of kids at school contracting it, but fail to state the solution you are wanting. You wanting masks, social distancing, remote, or a combo of all?

I'm honestly not for masks for my first grader. I really feel there is more harm done than good for her age group. That kid comes home every day with her mask covered in spit and drool. I'm talking about you could ring it out wet. Not to mention CDC says touching the mask is counterproductive and can actually lead to more contamination than not wearing one at all and that kid touches it and readjusts it million times a day.

But again, I'm also not at board meetings scream at board directors. Not their fault and I understand they are trying to do what is best for everyone with the information they have. Just trying to make best due I can in these crazy times.

If my kids were school age, I would home school...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 13, 2021, 08:52:06 AM
A parent sent their child to school after a positive Covid-19 test. More than 80 students may have been exposed, officials say

>>>More than 80 students were potentially exposed to Covid-19 on the first day of class in Reno, Nevada, on Monday after a parent sent their child to Marce Herz Middle School, despite both the parent and child receiving a positive Covid-19 test just two days earlier, Washoe County Health District officials said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-parent-sent-their-child-to-school-after-a-positive-covid-19-test-more-than-80-students-may-have-been-exposed-officials-say/ar-AANg40y?ocid=uxbndlbing
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 13, 2021, 09:15:38 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 13, 2021, 08:52:06 AMA parent sent their child to school after a positive Covid-19 test. More than 80 students may have been exposed, officials say

>>>More than 80 students were potentially exposed to Covid-19 on the first day of class in Reno, Nevada, on Monday after a parent sent their child to Marce Herz Middle School, despite both the parent and child receiving a positive Covid-19 test just two days earlier, Washoe County Health District officials said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-parent-sent-their-child-to-school-after-a-positive-covid-19-test-more-than-80-students-may-have-been-exposed-officials-say/ar-AANg40y?ocid=uxbndlbing
That parent needs a foot in their ass.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 13, 2021, 09:26:46 AM
Obviously, I am a huge fan of science.  Perhaps an explanation of modern science would shed some light on these crazy times.

From Sapiens, A Brief History of Humankind: 

"Modern science is based on the Latin injunction ignoramus – 'we do not know'.  It assumes that we don't know everything.  Even more critically, it accepts that the things we think we know could be proven wrong as we gain more knowledge.  No concept, idea or theory is sacred and beyond challenge." 

Will modern science make mistakes?  Yes, but I feel our earth's best, most brilliant, scientific minds have made wonderful strides in understanding this new bug.  Will science flip and flop over the next few months?  Likely yes, as they gain more knowledge.

Whether you believe in a divine creator or the evolutionary process, the one thing that separates us from the rest of the world's animals is the ability to think and question, and purge the BS. 

Can we outthink, outmaneuver this new bug?  I know I can't, because any knowledge of viruses I had, if any, is no longer present.  So, I will follow the lead of those much smarter, I will take any vaccine, I will wear a mask, I will avoid others, and if recommendations prove wrong, I will not blame modern science.  I will tip my hat, think and question, but accept ignoramus.     
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 13, 2021, 09:28:37 AM
watch this video in this link...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/screaming-covid-survivor-describes-what-its-like-to-be-in-hospital/vi-AANge5n?ocid=msedgntp


CNN's Ed Lavandera reports from Texas, where some hospitals are so overrun they are using tents to triage patients amid a rapid surge in Covid-19.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 13, 2021, 10:34:43 AM
I give you the reflective thoughts of George Harrison from his last public performance...


https://youtu.be/KBZUetjx7jg
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 13, 2021, 13:55:53 PM
Just over 1,200 children between the ages of 5-9 tested positive for COVID-19 last week. That's more than double the number from two weeks earlier.

Wake Forest Baptist Health infectious disease specialist Dr. Christopher Ohl says while more children are getting sick, they still are unlikely to be hospitalized or develop severe symptoms.

Ohl is urging school districts to adopt strict masking policies to head off potential outbreaks.

"I really think that those school boards who have said that masks are optional, I feel very strongly right now that they need to reconsider that decision," said Ohl. "Otherwise, you're not going to get through two, three weeks of school. It's just it's not going to be possible."


https://www.wfdd.org/story/covid-19-cases-among-kids-rise-health-official-urges-school-mask-mandates
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 13, 2021, 14:25:06 PM
This doesn't bode well for the vaccine mandates. in terms of stopping the spread, however it appears to mitigate the severity of the infection.




Two new COVID-19 clusters identified at Duke University involve 29 medical students and seven members of the women's field hockey team.

According to the university, the students tested positive after gathering in "various locations in Durham." All the COVID-19 positive students were vaccinated and most are experiencing no symptoms, Duke said. Those with symptoms reported nasal congestion and headaches.

The affected students will isolate for 10 days, and contract tracers will identify and test people who made contact with the students.

Duke has required vaccines for all students and has a strict mask mandate in place for indoor spaces.


https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/duke-covid-19-clusters-involve-29-medical-students-women-s-field-hockey-team/19824920/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 13, 2021, 17:11:24 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/08/13/children-hospitalizations-covid-delta/


>>>"The delta variant is acting very, very differently with respect to kids," agreed Rick Barr, chief clinical officer at Arkansas Children's, who said the illness appears to have more of a respiratory impact.

At Barr's hospital last week, the pediatric intensive care unit was a frantic rush of activity. A boy who was admitted the night before had worsened and needed to be intubated. A new patient arrived to take the second-to-last open bed — a school-age girl with signs of MIS-C, the life-threatening inflammatory syndrome that often appears two to six weeks after a covid infection.

"It's exhausting and nonstop," said nurse Brittany Rowell. "These kids are the strongest people I've ever met."
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on August 13, 2021, 18:11:57 PM
The vaccine is free. Hospital and doctor bills are not. A fool and his/her money are soon parted. Narcissism has no value, so cast it aside.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 13, 2021, 18:51:07 PM
Quote from: Onslow on August 13, 2021, 18:11:57 PMThe vaccine is free. Hospital and doctor bills are not. A fool and his/her money are soon parted. Narcissism has no value, so cast it aside.
Yep. Get you one. Vaccines work. The masks don't do a goddamn thing except virtue signal, concentrate germs,  and cut off your oxygen supply and tell me you're a fucking idiot who will believe anything. It's like keeping skeeters out of your yard by building a chain link fence.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 13, 2021, 19:17:32 PM
OK, Doc.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 13, 2021, 19:54:05 PM
I hope someone starts giving shots and handing out mask at the southern border soon.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 13, 2021, 20:34:04 PM
 "I neither know nor think I know" The Socratic paradox. I hear so much conflicting information that I have given up trying to understand or figure out who is right or wrong. The smartest among us doesn't know for certain what exactly we should do. The only thing I know is that it's not going to kill all of us and at this point it's just a matter of how many. Take all the shots, wear all the mask, wash your hands all you want, there is no certain right or wrong at this point to prevent or cure the China Flu.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 01:48:47 AM
Martha's Vineyard is having a big outbreak in China Flu cases. 1,829% increase in cases in the last 2 weeks, and a 157% increase in hospitalizations :o . Hmmmmm, I wonder if that birthday party had anything to do with this :drum . I saw them buck dancing and hugging and kissing each other. I didn't see anyone wearing mask either. https://therightscoop.com/turns-out-obamas-birthday-bash-was-a-super-spreader-event-at-marthas-vineyard/ (https://therightscoop.com/turns-out-obamas-birthday-bash-was-a-super-spreader-event-at-marthas-vineyard/)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 14, 2021, 04:26:54 AM
"A well-fitted cloth mask works much better than a poorly-fitted surgical mask."

Malley suggests letting a child pick out their own masks can help motivate them to wear them and help them feel part of the solution."

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/kids-not-n95-kn95-masks-153042486.html

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 05:23:57 AM
Quote from: troutrus on August 14, 2021, 04:26:54 AM"A well-fitted cloth mask works much better than a poorly-fitted surgical mask."

Malley suggests letting a child pick out their own masks can help motivate them to wear them and help them feel part of the solution."

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/kids-not-n95-kn95-masks-153042486.html



Good information to help with the decision process. I can't imagine putting a mask on a 2 year old. I still remember taking my son to school and going in the class room and half of the kids would be red faced and coughing and sneezing while wipping their noses on their sleeves :P People were sending their kids to school sick rather than make some other arrangements and then the next thing you knew half of the school and teachers would be out sick.  I know NC gave a bunch of money to replace old HVAC systems and instal air filtration systems in some schools to help ventilation. I'm still trying to figure out if we want to mask kids to protect them, or are we doing it so they won't come home and spread the China virus to their parents. From what I've seen kids fair about the same from Covid as they do from the seasonal flu.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 14, 2021, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 01:48:47 AMMartha's Vineyard is having a big outbreak in China Flu cases. 1,829% increase in cases in the last 2 weeks, and a 157% increase in hospitalizations :o . Hmmmmm, I wonder if that birthday party had anything to do with this :drum . I saw them buck dancing and hugging and kissing each other. I didn't see anyone wearing mask either. https://therightscoop.com/turns-out-obamas-birthday-bash-was-a-super-spreader-event-at-marthas-vineyard/ (https://therightscoop.com/turns-out-obamas-birthday-bash-was-a-super-spreader-event-at-marthas-vineyard/)


"Buck dancing"?  I have not heard that phrase in a long time.

Often you can grasp the pulse of a person, someone that might be entirely unfamiliar, from the words they use.

On another covid angle, let's punch the teacher.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/an-elementary-school-teacher-was-beaten-on-the-first-day-of-the-new-semester-by-a-father-angry-about-a-mask-mandate/ar-AANjs2m?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 14, 2021, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 14, 2021, 10:06:26 AMOn another covid angle, let's punch the teacher.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/an-elementary-school-teacher-was-beaten-on-the-first-day-of-the-new-semester-by-a-father-angry-about-a-mask-mandate/ar-AANjs2m?ocid=msedgntp



world gone mad!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 14, 2021, 10:52:06 AM
I'm reading the thread and trying to understand everyone's position.
The only thing I'm going to add here -- I'm somewhat confused with semantics, terminology, and the hidden biases that the term "China Flu" reveals.
The virus is Covid-19. The more transmissible and serious mutation presently causing another wave, possibly worse than the previous waves, is Delta Variant.
Calling it the "China Flu" is a meaningless term that implies dismissal (by comparing it to the common flu), prejudice (by calling it Chinese or Kung-Fu flu), blame (who fucking cares at this point -- it's worldwide), and xenophobia.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 14, 2021, 14:33:44 PM
Quote from: Phil on August 14, 2021, 10:52:06 AMI'm somewhat confused with semantics, terminology, and the hidden biases that the term "China Flu" reveals.

I would suggest that the bias was not very well hidden, nor was the ignorance associated with the statement.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 15:21:20 PM
Quote from: Phil on August 14, 2021, 10:52:06 AMI'm reading the thread and trying to understand everyone's position.
The only thing I'm going to add here -- I'm somewhat confused with semantics, terminology, and the hidden biases that the term "China Flu" reveals.
The virus is Covid-19. The more transmissible and serious mutation presently causing another wave, possibly worse than the previous waves, is Delta Variant.
Calling it the "China Flu" is a meaningless term that implies dismissal (by comparing it to the common flu), prejudice (by calling it Chinese or Kung-Fu flu), blame (who fucking cares at this point -- it's worldwide), and xenophobia.

I care where it came from. It's killed millions around the world. The virus was named on Feb 11, 2020 "severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)". We often name diseases and viruses for the contry or region of origin and I never heard anyone complain about that before https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/30440/12-diseases-and-lucky-places-they're-named (https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/30440/12-diseases-and-lucky-places-they're-named). I am in no way trying to downplay the severity of the virus, it is deadly in the elderly and people with comorbidities. Even the sesonal flu is dangerous for the elderly and people with comorbidities. It came from a lab in Wuhan China that was doing gain of function research on an already deadly virus that the US helped fund. The government of China is definitely our enemy. The Chinese knew the virus had escaped and said nothing to the world, then they would not allow examination of the lab or the work that had been done, not even to determine the origin of the virus to help combat it, which we still haven't to this day found the origin. They then allowed their citizens to board planes for Chinese New Years and fly all over the world to infect others with the China Flu. You call it what every you want, but to me it is and always will be the China Flu. The Chinese intend to rule the world, simply look at their history and aggression of the last 100 years. They were directly responsible for the Korean War and the Vietnam War. They ran the Dalia Lama out of Tibet and took away Tibet's status as a country. They are currently trying to overthrow Taiwan, man what don't people not get about the Chinaese? They have a name for American progressives. They view them as a weakness they can exploit.https://turcopolier.com/baizuo-thats-you-bidonians-own-it/ BTW- We now have the Beta, Delta, and Lambda variants of the China /Kung Fu Flu.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 15:29:12 PM
Quote from: troutrus on August 14, 2021, 14:33:44 PM
Quote from: Phil on August 14, 2021, 10:52:06 AMI'm somewhat confused with semantics, terminology, and the hidden biases that the term "China Flu" reveals.

I would suggest that the bias was not very well hidden, nor was the ignorance associated with the statement.

You are right, I don't try to hide my feelings or opinions. I used the terminology and semantics I did to make a point. The Chinese are not our friends. They are only interested in world domination. Calling me ignorant doesn't seem fair. I certainly don't view any of you as ignorant. We all see the world differently through our own set of life experiences.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 15:46:39 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 14, 2021, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 01:48:47 AMMartha's Vineyard is having a big outbreak in China Flu cases. 1,829% increase in cases in the last 2 weeks, and a 157% increase in hospitalizations :o . Hmmmmm, I wonder if that birthday party had anything to do with this :drum . I saw them buck dancing and hugging and kissing each other. I didn't see anyone wearing mask either. https://therightscoop.com/turns-out-obamas-birthday-bash-was-a-super-spreader-event-at-marthas-vineyard/ (https://therightscoop.com/turns-out-obamas-birthday-bash-was-a-super-spreader-event-at-marthas-vineyard/)



"Buck dancing"?  I have not heard that phrase in a long time.

Often you can grasp the pulse of a person, someone that might be entirely unfamiliar, from the words they use.

On another covid angle, let's punch the teacher.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/an-elementary-school-teacher-was-beaten-on-the-first-day-of-the-new-semester-by-a-father-angry-about-a-mask-mandate/ar-AANjs2m?ocid=msedgntp

Now that's just not true Steve O. I am very familiar with Buck Dancing, I grew up with many fine and talented flat footed dancers. I know the great Jesco White.  I'm not great at it myself, but I love to try and will bust a move any time a fine fiddle tune is played https://wizzley.com/buck-dancing-and-flat-footing-appalachian-dancing/ (https://wizzley.com/buck-dancing-and-flat-footing-appalachian-dancing/)  Guess you were more interested poking at me than in the link I posted, or are you just trying to derail me? Do you not have anything to say about the birthday party? It apparently has caused a super spreader event in MV. I thought the CDC guidance was saying no large gatherings and for everyone to wear mask? I guess Obama Bin Laden gets a pass? OBL was not a typo either. Don't hold back now, say what you mean, I did :P

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 14, 2021, 16:24:49 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 15:29:12 PMThe Chinese are not our friends. They are only interested in world domination.

Of Course they aren't our friends. Of course the virus came from China. So fucking what? It makes no difference.
If they're your enemy, then stop buying anything made in China or produced with any parts from China. Don't shoot off fireworks to celebrate American Independence on July 4th -- 99.6% of all fireworks are made in China. Show those Commie bastards!  :laugh: 
So fucking what? You still think they caused Vietnam? Pullleaze. You still believe the Tonkin Bay lies from American Presidents and the stupid "Domino Theory?" Pullleaze.
And what, praytell, does calling Barack Obama "Obama Bin Ladin" have to do with anything? Why even bring Obama up in the first place? I don't understand. More to the point, I don't particularly understand (or care about) how you direct your unfocused anger.


Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 14, 2021, 16:40:00 PM
Tired, bored, owed, angry old white man syndrome.
Trump base personified.

This will be my last post to Steve.
No more responses are coming.
There is an ignore feature in my profile.
You have been added to that small, shitty list of names.

Go tie some of your awesome flies and go fishing. It will do you some good.
You can talk to a tree or two. Or three.
My shitty flies and fishing soothes me.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 14, 2021, 17:02:45 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on August 13, 2021, 19:17:32 PMOK, Doc.
Sorry, I'm not into virtue signalling. I didn't take an experimental vaccine so I can spend the rest of my life walking around with a rag tied around my face to show how hip I am. Your mileage may vary.  :cheers
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 14, 2021, 17:08:39 PM
Quote from: Phil on August 14, 2021, 10:52:06 AMI'm reading the thread and trying to understand everyone's position.
The only thing I'm going to add here -- I'm somewhat confused with semantics, terminology, and the hidden biases that the term "China Flu" reveals.
The virus is Covid-19. The more transmissible and serious mutation presently causing another wave, possibly worse than the previous waves, is Delta Variant.
Calling it the "China Flu" is a meaningless term that implies dismissal (by comparing it to the common flu), prejudice (by calling it Chinese or Kung-Fu flu), blame (who fucking cares at this point -- it's worldwide), and xenophobia.
To me, it simply means that it originated in Wuhan, China. Which it did. Right there where that big viral research facility is located. It came from bats, I'm told. I have nothing at all against the bulk of Chinese people, and I am not at all xenophobic. I do think the Chinese government is evil personified. As is ours, increasingly.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 14, 2021, 17:09:42 PM
"Virtue Signalling"?
Is that a Fox talking point?

I'll stick with science.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 17:14:55 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on August 14, 2021, 16:40:00 PMTired, bored, owed, angry old white man syndrome.
Trump base personified.

This will be my last post to Steve.
No more responses are coming.
There is an ignore feature in my profile.
You have been added to that small, shitty list of names.

Go tie some of your awesome flies and go fishing. It will do you some good.
You can talk to a tree or two. Or three.
My shitty flies and fishing soothes me.



Doug I guess you are trying to be personally hurtful and you were to some extent, but I'm glad you finally said what you felt like you needed to say. I hope you feel better now. Are you still mad about me kidding you about shaving your legs? Or was it the 4th wife comment? Or are you jealous of my fly tying ability? Heck I'll send you a few if it will smooth things out. I wish you wouldn't be so mad and just block me, My intention was never to piss you off to the point you siezed up.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 14, 2021, 17:16:08 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on August 14, 2021, 17:09:42 PM"Virtue Signalling"?
Is that a Fox talking point?

I'll stick with science.
From the dictionary:

vir·tue sig·nal·ing

noun
noun: virtue signalling; noun: virtue signaling

    the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
    "it's noticeable how often virtue signaling consists of saying you hate things"

From my observations, it often directly contradicts science. Which science are we talking about anyway? The CDC recommendations from last month, this month? Should we not notice that they often directly contradict each other and seem to follow the political winds?

And, I have never watched Fox News or any other "news" channel for that matter. It's all bullshit and propaganda designed to spin stuff for political purposes and turn us all against each other. It's working, apparently.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 17:37:31 PM
Quote from: Phil on August 14, 2021, 16:24:49 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 15:29:12 PMThe Chinese are not our friends. They are only interested in world domination.

Of Course they aren't our friends. Of course the virus came from China. So fucking what? It makes no difference.
If they're your enemy, then stop buying anything made in China or produced with any parts from China. Don't shoot off fireworks to celebrate American Independence on July 4th -- 99.6% of all fireworks are made in China. Show those Commie bastards!  :laugh: 
So fucking what? You still think they caused Vietnam? Pullleaze. You still believe the Tonkin Bay lies from American Presidents and the stupid "Domino Theory?" Pullleaze.
And what, praytell, does calling Barack Obama "Obama Bin Ladin" have to do with anything? Why even bring Obama up in the first place? I don't understand. More to the point, I don't particularly understand (or care about) how you direct your unfocused anger.




It makes a difference to me, they killed millions of people all around the world. I'll stop just short of saying it was a deliberate act of biological warfare. We were involved in Indochina long before the Tonkin Gulf. We provided the French air and tactial support at the Battle of Dien Bien Phu in 1954 and had American Special Forces and CIA trainning the South as soon as the North and South split. It was the Chinease and Moe Sa Tung that supplied weapons and money to divide the North and the South. I guess you don't have any opinion on Tibet, Taiwan, and Korea? I don't hold anything against the average citizen of China, it's their government. We are all just pawns. The reason I mentioned OBL was because of the large China Flu outbreak in Marths Vineyard. Go back and look at my original post, lots of new cases and hospitalizations. He had a big party aginst current CDC guide lines. No one wore mask that I saw, and they were in close contact with each other, eating, drinking, and buck dancing. BTW- I try not to buy stuff from China but it's hard some time. I get my fireworks from a factory in TN and I hope you are still pursuing the road to sobriety. I use to call Obama Ben Laden "Black Jesus", so did his staff, but that just didn't sit right somehow.                                         

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 17:50:55 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 14, 2021, 17:16:08 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on August 14, 2021, 17:09:42 PM"Virtue Signalling"?
Is that a Fox talking point?

I'll stick with science.
From the dictionary:

vir·tue sig·nal·ing

noun
noun: virtue signalling; noun: virtue signaling

    the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
    "it's noticeable how often virtue signaling consists of saying you hate things"

From my observations, it often directly contradicts science. Which science are we talking about anyway? The CDC recommendations from last month, this month? Should we not notice that they often directly contradict each other and seem to follow the political winds?

And, I have never watched Fox News or any other "news" channel for that matter. It's all bullshit and propaganda designed to spin stuff for political purposes and turn us all against each other. It's working, apparently.

Seems like the science changes every week and is dependent on who or what politcal party is talking about it. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on August 14, 2021, 18:06:03 PM
In defense of TM, it is not a sin to introduce levity.

I dare some of you to use the term Spanish Flu.

Europeans and those of European ancestry are the only societies I'm aware of that are relatively open. Most other countries are very nationalist.  This is captain obvious 101 shit. Few of the non whites around the world could give two fucks about our virtue signaling, particularly the Chinese, Russians, Saudis, Nigerians, Indians, Japanese. It is about time we come to terms with the fact no one gives a fuck about our infantile race issues we treasure. No one gives a damn about our issues. More to the point, they want are retarding jackassery out of sight and mind.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 18:12:52 PM
No one ever had a problem wiith calling a disease or virus by the geographical region or country it came from until now all of a sudden. It's all about comply or be resigned to be held in contempt and erased from society. The old white people thing bothers me a little bit, but when it comes to trying to erase our national identity as American I'm greatly bothered. Old white people still got all the money and power, you're gonna miss us when we're gone cause we've been footing the bill and paying for all that free stuff for years :P  :wave
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 14, 2021, 18:28:16 PM
Yes, I'm sober for 5 years now. Thanks for asking. I also know the history of Vietnam (as well as general world history) pretty well. I know enough to know that we went there, fought, got wounded and/or died, spent blood and treasure, and lost. All for absolutely nothing;  just like our attempts to win the "war against terrorism" in Afghanistan.

Go play with your midget strippers and such. I have no further use for you or your opinions.  :;!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 18:51:39 PM
Quote from: Phil on August 14, 2021, 18:28:16 PMYes, I'm sober for 5 years now. I also know the history of Vietnam (as well as general world history) pretty well. I know enough to know that we went there, fought, got wounded and/or died, spent blood and treasure, and lost. All for absolutely nothing; just like our attempts to win the "war against terrorism."

Go play with your midget strippers and such. I have no further use for you or your opinions.  :;!

Glad to hear you are doing well, really I mean that. Our leadership needs to take a long look at the way we fight wars. At the rate things are going we will go the way of so many other great and once powerful nations. We will cease to exists. Now go play that piano and guitar and pass the hat :drum
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 14, 2021, 18:56:21 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 18:51:39 PMNow go play that piano and guitar and pass the hat

Covid ended that 42 year music gig. The owners sold the business. I'm now retired from teaching and playing music as well, it appears.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 19:08:55 PM
I'm sorry to hear that ended, I know that was probably a sweet little tax free deal. I guess that's just another thing for me to be mad at the Chinese about.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 14, 2021, 19:18:29 PM
Being mad at the Chinese because of Covid, at this point, is about as productive as being mad at chimpanzees for starting AIDS, ancient Egyptians for starting polio, being mad at Mecca for starting Islam, or being mad at China for starting tofu.
I fucking hate tofu, but it doesn't matter anymore. People all over the world eat that shit....
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 14, 2021, 19:20:48 PM
get over Rachel Maddog and listen to what the doctor has to say...

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 14, 2021, 19:24:36 PM
So, do you agree to give up all your freedom for a false sense of security? You should read some Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. Those folks literally risked their lives for freedom. And 200 years later, we've thrown their ideas into the shitter. Most people nowadays don't want freedom. They want a nanny state. Kick me off your forum for not being a goddamn sheep. I'll see y'all later. Enjoy your fear and paranoia and compliance with what the people like dumbass Fauci who "know best" tell you to do. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 19:27:33 PM
End of life discussion are never easy at any age. I know you know this. My wife and I have been through it all with friends, siblings, and parents. It wasn't easy sitting down with a lawyer to discuss my own either, but I did it in hopes of releaving those I will leave behind some burden. I hope and pray I never have to go through it with a child.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 19:42:24 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 14, 2021, 19:24:36 PMSo, do you agree to give up all your freedom for a false sense of security? You should read some Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. Those folks literally risked their lives for freedom. And 200 years later, we've thrown their ideas into the shitter. Most people nowadays don't want freedom. They want a nanny state. Kick me off your forum for not being a goddamn sheep. I'll see y'all later. Enjoy your fear and paranoia and compliance with what the people like dumbass Fauci who "know best" tell you to do. 
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Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 14, 2021, 19:24:36 PMSo, do you agree to give up all your freedom for a false sense of security? You should read some Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. Those folks literally risked their lives for freedom. And 200 years later, we've thrown their ideas into the shitter. Most people nowadays don't want freedom. They want a nanny state. Kick me off your forum for not being a goddamn sheep. I'll see y'all later. Enjoy your fear and paranoia and compliance with what the people like dumbass Fauci who "know best" tell you to do. 


Hold up! Don't leave me here by myself :P  :laugh: Besides we need to know where to get all the free stuff that's coming our way. :laugh:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 19:49:52 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 14, 2021, 10:06:26 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 01:48:47 AMMartha's Vineyard is having a big outbreak in China Flu cases. 1,829% increase in cases in the last 2 weeks, and a 157% increase in hospitalizations :o . Hmmmmm, I wonder if that birthday party had anything to do with this :drum . I saw them buck dancing and hugging and kissing each other. I didn't see anyone wearing mask either. https://therightscoop.com/turns-out-obamas-birthday-bash-was-a-super-spreader-event-at-marthas-vineyard/ (https://therightscoop.com/turns-out-obamas-birthday-bash-was-a-super-spreader-event-at-marthas-vineyard/)



"Buck dancing"?  I have not heard that phrase in a long time.

Often you can grasp the pulse of a person, someone that might be entirely unfamiliar, from the words they use.

On another covid angle, let's punch the teacher.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/an-elementary-school-teacher-was-beaten-on-the-first-day-of-the-new-semester-by-a-father-angry-about-a-mask-mandate/ar-AANjs2m?ocid=msedgntp

I've had a couple of teachers that needed punching. Like my first grade teacher who the day before we got out for Christmas picked up a fully decorated christmas tree and threw it out of the door into the side yard of the school.  :o  GD, I knew it was on for the rest of my 17 years of public education. :laugh:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 14, 2021, 20:24:07 PM
I like buck dancing. It's sinful.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2021, 20:41:35 PM
Do you carry your own board to dance on?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on August 14, 2021, 21:19:44 PM
MSM was silent about Obama's birthday bash but make a big deal about this "super spreader" - let's see how it all pans out.

Got to give her credit she's not afraid to give a middle finger to the Biden administration

SD Gov Kristi Nomen Sturgis bike rally.jpg
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 15, 2021, 04:13:55 AM
Quote from: Al on August 14, 2021, 21:19:44 PMMSM was silent about Obama's birthday bash but make a big deal about this "super spreader" - let's see how it all pans out.

Got to give her credit she's not afraid to give a middle finger to the Biden administration

SD Gov Kristi Nomen Sturgis bike rally.jpg

Al- Of course not, no one dares mention him or anything the left does in a negative light. I did, and look at the attack that ensued aginst me and not a word about the event. Of course I'm sure some most of that was because I called him Obama Bin Laden :P . South Dakota has become a more attractive place to live because of her. They have taken a little different approach to the virus and it looks like they are none the worse for wear. I don't think I'd go to Sturgis, but that just me and I think everyone should have the right to decide for themselves. I recently saw an interesting interview with her on a Youtube clip. The approach she has taken in SD towards the virus and illegal immigration is something I wish more states would take a look at. I know some of you hate anyone and anything to do with FOX. I'm not a huge fan either but the youtube clips from there cut out a lot of the posturing and get right to the point. Please try to get past that and just listen to what she has to say (I watched the clip with Madcow). We are currently witnessing the Biden administration and the Catholic Charities group break immigration laws. I'm concerned about the rate of infections among this group. Not to mention who they might actually be, i.e. bad guys from around the world.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 15, 2021, 05:54:55 AM
🎼Its a Buck Dancer's choice my friend; better take my advice.
You know all the rules by now and the fire from the ice.🎼 Rob't  Hunter 1969

https://youtu.be/vvxtly3o3OI
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 15, 2021, 05:59:43 AM
EDC7CFD5-0968-49F6-A53C-6E520A83C5BB.jpeg
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 15, 2021, 06:32:44 AM
 Hopefully someone will come up with a breakthrough vaccine and more effective drug treatments. I don't understand why when we saw at the peak of the last out break that there was a critical shortage of ICU rooms and we didn't do anything. . We haven't done enough to increase their numbers to date. I know we made thousands of ventilators that were just put in storage, or shipped to countries that needed them. The Navy hospital Balboa is huge. They can dock a hospital ship in SD and put quite a few on there. Hell we could use many of the militaries medical assets. I worked in a surgegial aid station that was a blow up tent with generators and A/C 50 years ago. We had the capability of a large hospital with a great tramua center and aray of surgeons and specialists. My faith in the government's ability to handle this newest outbreak of the variants is waining, I haven't heard any large scale plans to address the shortages. A typical hospital doesn't want a bunch of empty beds and I think that plays into their reluctance to expand their facilities.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on August 15, 2021, 06:38:15 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 15, 2021, 06:32:44 AMHopefully someone will come up with a breakthrough vaccine and more effective drug treatments. I don't understand why when we saw at the peak of the last out break that there was a critical shortage of ICU rooms. We haven't done enough to increase their numbers. I know we made thousands of ventilators that were just put in storage, or shipped to countries that needed them. The Navy hospital Balboa ther is huge. They can dock a hospital ship in SD and put quite a few on there. Hell we could use many of the militaries medical assets. I worked in a surgegial aid station that was a blow up tent with generators and A/C 50 years ago. We had the capability of a large hospital with a great tramua center and aray of surgeons and specialists. My faith in the government's ability to handle this newest outbreak of the variants is waining, I haven't heard any large scale plans to address the shortages. A typical hospital doesn't want a bunch of empty beds and I think that plays into their reluctance to expand their facilities.

TM, there are shortages of everything expect the vaccine. People need take the fucking vaccine. There isn't enough parts in the world to make a million ventilators.

People arguing over stupid shit have not clue what is going on in global production of goods and shipping. Not only does America need to get vaccinated, we need to vaccinate the whole world in 12 months, period. If we don't get our shit together by Thanksgiving, we could experience some serious shortages of everything.  It is already bad, and about to get much worse.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 15, 2021, 06:40:19 AM
Quote from: troutrus on August 15, 2021, 05:54:55 AM🎼Its a Buck Dancer's choice my friend; better take my advice.
You know all the rules by now and the fire from the ice.🎼 Rob't  Hunter 1969

https://youtu.be/vvxtly3o3OI


You like the Dead Trout? They never were my cup of tea, I liked some of their songs like Casey Jones, but their live performances always just seem to be everybody (band & fans) was wacked out of their heads on psychoactive drugs and the sound suffered.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 15, 2021, 06:51:00 AM
Quote from: Onslow on August 15, 2021, 06:38:15 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 15, 2021, 06:32:44 AMHopefully someone will come up with a breakthrough vaccine and more effective drug treatments. I don't understand why when we saw at the peak of the last out break that there was a critical shortage of ICU rooms. We haven't done enough to increase their numbers. I know we made thousands of ventilators that were just put in storage, or shipped to countries that needed them. The Navy hospital Balboa ther is huge. They can dock a hospital ship in SD and put quite a few on there. Hell we could use many of the militaries medical assets. I worked in a surgegial aid station that was a blow up tent with generators and A/C 50 years ago. We had the capability of a large hospital with a great tramua center and aray of surgeons and specialists. My faith in the government's ability to handle this newest outbreak of the variants is waining, I haven't heard any large scale plans to address the shortages. A typical hospital doesn't want a bunch of empty beds and I think that plays into their reluctance to expand their facilities.

TM, there are shortages of everything expect the vaccine. People need take the fucking vaccine. There isn't enough parts in the world to make a million ventilators.

People arguing over stupid shit have not clue what is going on in global production of goods and shipping. Not only does America need to get vaccinated, we need to vaccinate the whole world in 12 months, period. If we don't get our shit together by Thanksgiving, we could experience some serious shortages of everything.  It is already bad, and about to get much worse.

Yea I know I've had some materials for a home garden project on order for 6 months, I also have been trying to get a new roof put on my barn for almost a year. I've also seen parking lots full of new cars that just need computer chips. Of course your used car has never been worth more. I thought the government was going to step in and give the American chip companies some incentives to up production.
The supply chain is stretched to the limit ii looks like to me. What most people don't understand is we are at any given time just 3 days from running out of food. I have also has some trouble obtaining some prescription drugs I'm on. People don't know how many that China makes, especially antibiotics and generics.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 15, 2021, 07:13:38 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 15, 2021, 06:51:00 AMI have also has some trouble obtaining some prescription drugs I'm on.

Methadone and Viagra?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 15, 2021, 07:18:51 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 15, 2021, 07:13:38 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 15, 2021, 06:51:00 AMI have also has some trouble obtaining some prescription drugs I'm on.

Methadone and Viagra?

No just the testostrone is coming from China.  No more Viagra, my wife said she can't take it no more. It's a a Phizer product and mostly comes from the US and Ireland I think. China makes lots of generics I'm sure, they just ignore patents and call it something else . I've been meaning to ask you is that the reason I see you wearing some type of bandage on finger cot on your thumb? Is there an open ulcer? The more I read about drugs from China the more concerned I become, Their oversight and manufacturing methods quite often have contaminates that are know carcinogens. I remember some sheetrock I bought got recalled and I had to rip 3 rooms out of a house I was working on because it was contaminated with some type of carcinogen.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 15, 2021, 07:36:22 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 15, 2021, 07:18:51 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 15, 2021, 07:13:38 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 15, 2021, 06:51:00 AMI have also has some trouble obtaining some prescription drugs I'm on.

Methadone and Viagra?

No just the testrone is coming from China.  No more Viagra, my wife said she can't take it no more. It's a a Phizer product and mostly comes from the US and Ireland I think. China makes lots of generics I'm sure, they just ignore patents and call it something else . I've been meaning to ask you is that the reason I see you wearing some type of bandage on finger cot on your thumb? Is there an open ulcer? The more I read about drugs from China the more concerned I become, Their oversight and manufacturing methods quite often have contaminates that are know carcinogen. I remember some sheetrock I bought got recalled and I had to rip 3 rooms out of a house I was working on because it was contaminated with some type of carcinogen.



I sliced my finger tip off. <-;:  bandage is off now. :drum
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 15, 2021, 07:40:42 AM
I had about half of the first joint on my index finge shot off. I wore a padded bandage on it for 6 weeks, I could' stand to hit it on anything. :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 15, 2021, 10:49:44 AM
Quote from: troutrus on August 15, 2021, 06:36:17 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 15, 2021, 05:59:43 AMEDC7CFD5-0968-49F6-A53C-6E520A83C5BB.jpeg

Rather clear to a any logical person, but get ready for something like this:

Yeah sure man, but the city has like over a million people so those small numbers are insignificant and only show a slanted view of what the liberal media wants you to see. And ya know at least a lot of the ones that are unvaccinated have their freedom. Blah, blah, blah, ............

"No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth"― Plato.

I'd say from the graphic Keith showed there are a lot more unvaccinated people in the hospital than vaccinated. Make sure that you note there are both present. I want everyone to get the shot, it looks like it may help you even if you get the China Flu. I think he government, and people like you and some others here are posting videos of people dying and graphs showing inflated numbers to scare people into doing what you think is right. Honestly, do you want somone else making your health care decisions for you? Not everyone who get the virus dies, not everyone who goes in the hospital dies. Normal young healthy people have a good chance of surviving the virus. Yes I'm old, and I'm scared it will kill me if I get it. Yes it has killed millions, but how many millions have survived. Statiscs are not meanless. Something like a 98.2% survival rate for everyone, vaccinated or not. Survival percentage rates aren't meaningless.https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-970830023526 (https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-970830023526) I'd also like to address your calling me xenophobic and ignorant for saying this virus was developed by China. I'm willing to listen to any counter argument you have, but not if it includes name calling. Hell I though we were discussing Covid. Not mine or your personal flaws. The world is closing in on the Chinese for this atrocity they have commited. Please someone show me research, facts, clinical trials, anything other than what you think you know. I have already admitted I know nothing.
 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 15, 2021, 11:51:19 AM
that's just it... One in Fifty of reported cases die!

what I wonder, is the virus a natural occurring bat virus that was being studied or was it mutated (weaponized) variant...


covidcases.jpg
today's United States tally from Worldometer.info


and NC isn't doing great, we are 9th in infections, while being 14th in population....
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 15, 2021, 12:37:46 PM
Quote from: troutrus on August 15, 2021, 06:36:17 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 15, 2021, 05:59:43 AMEDC7CFD5-0968-49F6-A53C-6E520A83C5BB.jpeg

Rather clear to a any logical person, but get ready for something like this:

Yeah sure man, but the city has like over a million people so those small numbers are insignificant and only show a slanted view of what the liberal media wants you to see. And ya know at least a lot of the ones that are unvaccinated have their freedom. Blah, blah, blah, ............
You won't hear it from me. I got the vaccine as soon as I was allowed to. If I was younger, I might not, I don't know. And I don't know what the long term effects of it will be on my body. I figure they can't be much worse than long term effects of covid. Just from my own observations, I don't know anybody personally who was vaccinated so far that has gotten the covid. I know a bunch of un-vaccinated people who have. I still believe that no one should be forced by the government or a corporation to take a vaccine, especially an experimental one that was rushed through under tons of political pressure and still doesn't have full FDA approval.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 15, 2021, 15:49:07 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 15, 2021, 12:37:46 PM. I still believe that no one should be forced by the government or a corporation to take a vaccine

Ever read any stuff about the smallpox and polio vaccines and government mandates? https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/guides-pubs/downloads/vacc_mandates_chptr13.pdf (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/guides-pubs/downloads/vacc_mandates_chptr13.pdf)

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 15, 2021, 16:11:14 PM
Quote from: Phil on August 15, 2021, 15:49:07 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 15, 2021, 12:37:46 PM. I still believe that no one should be forced by the government or a corporation to take a vaccine

Ever read any stuff about the smallpox and polio vaccines and government mandates? https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/guides-pubs/downloads/vacc_mandates_chptr13.pdf (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/guides-pubs/downloads/vacc_mandates_chptr13.pdf)


Yeah. I had them both given to me at school, with no asking my parents. That doesn't mean I agree with it. What's that chant? My body, my choice? I think this applies equally to both. Also, the polio and smallpox vaccines were approved before mass administration. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Your rights end at my body tissues. Paranoia isn't a valid justification for performing unwanted medical procedures on other humans. The Germans did quite a bit of that sort of thing in the early 40s, and justified it because they thought it was for the greater good. And the first step was "othering" the people they did it to. The unvaccinated are being "othered" right now by our government and media right here in the USA.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 15, 2021, 16:22:29 PM
 :wave Ok. I'll move along now.
Maybe if I rode a horse and carried an American flag?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 15, 2021, 16:30:45 PM
Quote from: Phil on August 15, 2021, 16:22:29 PM:wave Ok. I'll move along now.
Maybe if I rode a horse and carried an American flag?  :laugh:
What the hell is wrong with y'all? Is there that much hate in your heart? Apparently anybody who isn't a full blown communist is a dumbass and a pariah on this board.  Your mind can get so narrow and closed that your head gets pointy after awhile. A herd of sheep has more freedom of individual thought. I reckon an American flag is a bad thing to y'all now, too? You probably have those "All One" and "Coexist" and "Tolerance" stickers on your Subaru, too.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 15, 2021, 16:43:22 PM
Actually, I fought and got gravely wounded in Vietnam under that flag. Fuck your assumptions
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 15, 2021, 16:52:36 PM
Quote from: Phil on August 15, 2021, 16:43:22 PMActually, I fought and got gravely wounded in Vietnam under that flag. Fuck your assumptions
Then, why the hate and sarcasm to me? Fuck your assumptions of me and all the condescending self-righteous political bullshit. I don't reckon I've ever done anything to you or anybody on here that I recall. But if you post something that isn't part of the leftist groupthink, you get gang raped. Is it not ok to have an opinion any more, or is that a thing of the past? I just call it from what I see, not from what the man on the teevee tells me to think. I am not a far-right conspiracy moonbat. I am pretty much what would have been considered a normal American 25 years ago, but is now apparently considered to be a far-right extremist. Meaning I think for myself, and enjoy freedom. I really don't understand the world and the people in it any more. It has changed to something Orwellian that I don't even recognize. If that makes me evil, so be it.

And thank you for your service. I honestly mean that, it's not sarcasm. I hate that y'all had to go through that. And I have absolutely nothing personal against you or anybody else on here.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 15, 2021, 17:08:23 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 15, 2021, 16:52:36 PMI am not a far-right conspiracy moonbat. I am pretty much what would have been considered a normal American 25 years ago, but is now apparently considered to be a far-right extremist.

There ya go -- 25 years ago, I was pretty much what would have been considered a moderate Democrat. Now I'm considered a far-left commie socialist by most conservatives and Trump voters. My views haven't changed....
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 15, 2021, 17:15:20 PM
Quote from: Phil on August 15, 2021, 17:08:23 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 15, 2021, 16:52:36 PMI am not a far-right conspiracy moonbat. I am pretty much what would have been considered a normal American 25 years ago, but is now apparently considered to be a far-right extremist.

There ya go -- 25 years ago, I was pretty much what would have been considered a moderate Democrat. Now I'm considered a far-left commie socialist by most conservatives and Trump voters. My views haven't changed....

Mine haven't either. I believe in personal responsibility, individual liberty, and firmly in the Bill of Rights. All of it. I don't want the government living my life for me. I also believe that I'm not evil and personally responsible for all our country's problems because I was born white in the southern US.  I am not a fan of feely-good bullshit. I am also actually quite liberal on some issues, such as the environment, abortion, and a few other things. I am now hated by both sides because I'm not an extremist in either direction. I don't believe in critical race theory, and I don't believe in Qanon. And we just keep letting them divide and conquer. The fish don't give a damn about all this crap. We can thank Social Media for most of the proliferation of it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 15, 2021, 17:32:13 PM
 
Quote from: Phil on August 15, 2021, 16:43:22 PMActually, I fought and got gravely wounded in Vietnam under that flag. Fuck your assumptions

I liked the story about the Vietnam protest where you encounter some problems.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 15, 2021, 18:32:47 PM
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 16, 2021, 02:52:01 AM
https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-praises-taliban-for-wearing-masks-during-attack/ (https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-praises-taliban-for-wearing-masks-during-attack/) 'c;  :laugh:


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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 17, 2021, 16:20:59 PM
Anti-Mask Mandater and Texas Governor, Greg Abbott has tested positive for COVID-19.

His Communications Director Mark Miner released the following statement on August 17:

"Governor Greg Abbott today tested positive for the COVID-19 virus. The Governor has been testing daily, and today was the first positive test result. Governor Abbott is in constant communication with his staff, agency heads, and government officials to ensure that state government continues to operate smoothly and efficiently. The Governor will isolate in the Governor's Mansion and continue to test daily. Governor Abbott is receiving regeneron's monoclonal antibody treatment.

The governor is vaccinated against COVID-19 and isn't currently experiencing any symptoms, according to Miner.


my bold...


:;!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 17, 2021, 17:57:37 PM
Glad to hear he's vaccinated ;)  At least another oak tree didn't fall on him. :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: hcrum87hc on August 18, 2021, 13:28:27 PM
My wife works in the local NICU, and while she is not an anti vaxxer, she does not want to get the vax just yet for various reasons, first of which being the speed at which it was released and the lack of long term data. 

Unfortunately, it sounds like her hospital system is going to be mandating it soon.  She's torn on what to do.  She believes one of the reasons God put her on this earth is to take care of those sick babies, but she and I both believe a mandated vaccine is an overstep on personal freedoms and hate that it's going to be forced on her.  We should never be "forced" to have something foreign injected into our bodies, especially as healthy young adults.

Sure, you can argue it's not forced, when she has the option to quit or be fired, but is that really a realistic option?  There's only one NICU locally, and it's likely most healthcare offices/facilities will mandate it eventually.

I think at this point, she'll begrudgingly get the vax so that she can remain there to take care of those babies and their families she loves so dearly.  The really shitty part is if someone does have severe side effects, they're hung out to dry.  There's no recourse.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 18, 2021, 15:12:47 PM
Thankfully it was released quickly. You do realize the MRNA vaccines happened quickly because they have been researched for many years. Plug in the data specific for this virus and crank it out. This technology is going to revolutionize vaccinations.
We have been depending on smart people to save our sorry asses for thousands of years. We're gonna pause now? The internet was made us dumber, I swear.
 
The equipment and technology in the hospitals that smart doctors and nurses use to care for people constantly changes and evolves as improvements come along. Therapies change and evolve. Medicines change and evolve. This vaccine is no different.
The only thing different is the kill rate of the new virus. If you think the Delta strain is bad, wait until the next one comes along. Mutations happens because there are too many people in the world unvaccinated.
And here we are. A world leading country!? With stocks of vaccine the rest of the world envies. And we have vaccination rates that are frankly embarrassing. We aren't real smart after all? 

Long term data on the vaccines? We have only been injecting willing folks for 8 months.
Meanwhile, short term, we know this:

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This is from a month ago. Something tells me the proportions haven't changed much.
I'll post a new one when the CDC releases it. I'm really liking my vaccinated odds.
I'll be happy to get a booster in 2 months, too. And if you have a problem with the CDC, you have bigger issues.
There is a fence post you need to go talk to.
 
And I support more mandates. Hospital workers? Check. Assisted living/ Nursing Care workers? Really? Of fucking course. Teachers/Staff? Check.
My RN wife is giving vaccines to local health care workers in clinics the next 2 weeks. Probably the last push before they mandate it in our biggest local system.
I hope they do. 

And, on the mask situation. Hint: I'm wearing one into every store I go into. I care about myself, you, your small children, my grand kids, and yours. I could give a rats ass if you don't like it, if you think it sends a signal, or if it offends you. Fuck you, you self centered shit. And oh, I haven't had so much as a common cold in 18 mos. Thanks, mask. I'll probably never fly without one again.

Going fishing tomorrow. Get some fresh air, assholes.  :Dance
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on August 18, 2021, 15:31:17 PM
I'm with Doug on this. Get the F vaccine!

Having said that we have about 1/3 the active duty soldiers on Ft Bragg without the vaccine. The "barracks lawyers and barracks doctors" tell them not to get it so they don't have to deploy. That is all changing. Starting next month it is "Get it or be prepared to find a civilian job" - we can't have soldiers who when told to hit the tarmac for the next flight to "only God know where" who are not prepared to do just that.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 18, 2021, 16:29:17 PM
I agree with Al and Doug.  This type of vaccine has been in the scientific pipeline for years.   Take the damn thing! 

Tomorrow I am back to wearing a mask when I journey out of this hollow.  Following Fed and State regulations I am now again required to sport a mask when delivering meals to the county's elderly.  No worries.

I have no problem wearing a mask.  My issue is I often forget to do it; I have real problems multitasking, even when the tasks are simple.   
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on August 18, 2021, 16:54:46 PM
Yep get the damn shot
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 18, 2021, 16:59:42 PM

By all means take the shot. The mast, I don't know?  Buy the vaccine companies stock
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 18, 2021, 17:16:52 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on August 18, 2021, 15:12:47 PMThankfully it was released quickly. You do realize the MRNA vaccines happened quickly because they have been researched for many years. Plug in the data specific for this virus and crank it out. This technology is going to revolutionize vaccinations.
We have been depending on smart people to save our sorry asses for thousands of years. We're gonna pause now? The internet was made us dumber, I swear.
 
The equipment and technology in the hospitals that smart doctors and nurses use to care for people constantly changes and evolves as improvements come along. Therapies change and evolve. Medicines change and evolve. This vaccine is no different.
The only thing different is the kill rate of the new virus. If you think the Delta strain is bad, wait until the next one comes along. Mutations happens because there are too many people in the world unvaccinated.
And here we are. A world leading country!? With stocks of vaccine the rest of the world envies. And we have vaccination rates that are frankly embarrassing. We aren't real smart after all? 

Long term data on the vaccines? We have only been injecting willing folks for 8 months.
Meanwhile, short term, we know this:

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This is from a month ago. Something tells me the proportions haven't changed much.
I'll post a new one when the CDC releases it. I'm really liking my vaccinated odds.
I'll be happy to get a booster in 2 months, too. And if you have a problem with the CDC, you have bigger issues.
There is a fence post you need to go talk to.
 
And I support more mandates. Hospital workers? Check. Assisted living/ Nursing Care workers? Really? Of fucking course. Teachers/Staff? Check.
My RN wife is giving vaccines to local health care workers in clinics the next 2 weeks. Probably the last push before they mandate it in our biggest local system.
I hope they do. 

And, on the mask situation. Hint: I'm wearing one into every store I go into. I care about myself, you, your small children, my grand kids, and yours. I could give a rats ass if you don't like it, if you think it sends a signal, or if it offends you. Fuck you, you self centered shit. And oh, I haven't had so much as a common cold in 18 mos. Thanks, mask. I'll probably never fly without one again.

Going fishing tomorrow. Get some fresh air, assholes.  :Dance

Good for you, I knew you had it in you. Tell us how you really feel d:b  Congrulations we now have stricter covid restrictions than we have to enter the country, or vote. Not to mention riding on a plane, or eating in a restaurant. I think your explination of how variants occur may be oversimplified. Glad you haven't had a cold, neither has anyone else apparently. A lot less people are dying of heart attacks, strokes, respiratory failure, or old age anymore. I think we may be overestimating the deaths from Covid, and I think we may be underestimating Covid cases. https://khn.org/news/article/why-the-u-s-is-underestimating-covid-reinfection/ (https://khn.org/news/article/why-the-u-s-is-underestimating-covid-reinfection/)The average age of a Covid death is 82.4. Like I said before old people and people with commodities. https://kmswinkels.medium.com/when-covid-19-deaths-go-up-other-deaths-go-down-53ba82244aca (https://kmswinkels.medium.com/when-covid-19-deaths-go-up-other-deaths-go-down-53ba82244aca)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 18, 2021, 17:49:34 PM
Get the shot. Fuck a mask. Oxygen is important for the function of living organisms.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 18, 2021, 18:26:35 PM
https://www.maxpreps.com/m/news/qdUyJcho80y3HVF-LushUw/north-carolina-high-school-basketball-players-adjusting-to-mask-mandate.htm?amp=1 (https://www.maxpreps.com/m/news/qdUyJcho80y3HVF-LushUw/north-carolina-high-school-basketball-players-adjusting-to-mask-mandate.htm?amp=1)

But, hey. HS and college athletes survived games in masks.
Hmmm, oxygen goes through masks.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 18, 2021, 18:28:26 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 18, 2021, 17:49:34 PMGet the shot. Fuck a mask. Oxygen is important for the function of living organisms.


I can't understand why some people think a simple mask is going to save them. I keep saying you need to add some eye protection and step up the quality of the mask. It won't matter soon, you won't be allowed to travel of even leave your home without taking the vaccine and wearing a mask. I wonder if some of you still wear a mask when you're jerking off to Pornhub?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 18, 2021, 18:30:05 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on August 18, 2021, 18:26:35 PMhttps://www.maxpreps.com/m/news/qdUyJcho80y3HVF-LushUw/north-carolina-high-school-basketball-players-adjusting-to-mask-mandate.htm?amp=1 (https://www.maxpreps.com/m/news/qdUyJcho80y3HVF-LushUw/north-carolina-high-school-basketball-players-adjusting-to-mask-mandate.htm?amp=1)

But, hey. HS and college athletes survived games in masks.
Hmmm, oxygen goes through masks.

If oxygen goes through a mask, so does the virus. The mask we are wearing does not form a perfect seal.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 18, 2021, 18:45:55 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 18, 2021, 17:16:52 PMGood for you, I knew you had it in you. Tell us how you really feel d:b  Congrulations we now have stricter covid restrictions than we have to enter the country, or vote. Not to mention riding on a plane, or eating in a restaurant. I think your explination of how variants occur may be oversimplified. Glad you haven't had a cold, neither has anyone else apparently. A lot less people are dying of heart attacks, strokes, respiratory failure, or old age anymore. I think we may be overestimating the deaths from Covid, and I think we may be underestimating Covid cases. https://khn.org/news/article/why-the-u-s-is-underestimating-covid-reinfection/ (https://khn.org/news/article/why-the-u-s-is-underestimating-covid-reinfection/)The average age of a Covid death is 82.4. Like I said before old people and people with commodities. https://kmswinkels.medium.com/when-covid-19-deaths-go-up-other-deaths-go-down-53ba82244aca (https://kmswinkels.medium.com/when-covid-19-deaths-go-up-other-deaths-go-down-53ba82244aca)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."
~Thomas Paine
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 18, 2021, 18:51:23 PM
Is the keyboard warrior not fishing any more?
Sad.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 18, 2021, 18:52:48 PM
Quote from: Phil on August 18, 2021, 18:45:55 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 18, 2021, 17:16:52 PMGood for you, I knew you had it in you. Tell us how you really feel d:b  Congrulations we now have stricter covid restrictions than we have to enter the country, or vote. Not to mention riding on a plane, or eating in a restaurant. I think your explination of how variants occur may be oversimplified. Glad you haven't had a cold, neither has anyone else apparently. A lot less people are dying of heart attacks, strokes, respiratory failure, or old age anymore. I think we may be overestimating the deaths from Covid, and I think we may be underestimating Covid cases. https://khn.org/news/article/why-the-u-s-is-underestimating-covid-reinfection/ (https://khn.org/news/article/why-the-u-s-is-underestimating-covid-reinfection/)The average age of a Covid death is 82.4. Like I said before old people and people with commodities. https://kmswinkels.medium.com/when-covid-19-deaths-go-up-other-deaths-go-down-53ba82244aca (https://kmswinkels.medium.com/when-covid-19-deaths-go-up-other-deaths-go-down-53ba82244aca)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."
~Thomas Paine

Say what you mean Phil, you too Doug. I'm trying my best to be reasonable. Me, you, Doug, none of us know nothing. I don't see any need in acting like you do either. Only you and the "experts" you choose know absolute truth? I guess the idea is to gaslight me?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 18, 2021, 18:58:53 PM
I believe my numbers are close, so a brief science lesson on masks ----

The pore size of most good masks is 100-300 nanometers.  O2 particle is ~.12 nanometers, CO2 is ~.23 nanometers, and the bug-in-question is ~120 nanometers.  The mean size of those moist droplets from your nose and mouth are 1000-10000 nanometers.  You all can do the math.

As far as wearing a mask, I always thought even though we may be vaccinated we could still be a spreader.  The mask is more to protect your neighbor I believe – the same reason your surgeon wears a mask when he/she is slicing you open – not to protect the cutter but to protect the patient. 

Eyes, ahh yes those baby blues are a source of contracting the bug, but I don't think you can easily transmit through your eyes.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 18, 2021, 19:05:44 PM
Muddy- I agree with every thing you have said. Just one thing, mask don't form a perfect seal.  I'm just trying to point out that a mask isn't 100% for anyone and any virus that can survive outside of the host can be transmitted in many ways. Damn, I'm just trying to introduce some doubt in those that think they are bullet proof just because the have had the vaccine and wear a mask. I'm not calling everyone a dumbass and doubting anyone's intelegence in deriving at what ever conlusion that want to believe.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 18, 2021, 19:32:08 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 18, 2021, 18:52:48 PM
Quote from: Phil on August 18, 2021, 18:45:55 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 18, 2021, 17:16:52 PMGood for you, I knew you had it in you. Tell us how you really feel d:b  Congrulations we now have stricter covid restrictions than we have to enter the country, or vote. Not to mention riding on a plane, or eating in a restaurant. I think your explination of how variants occur may be oversimplified. Glad you haven't had a cold, neither has anyone else apparently. A lot less people are dying of heart attacks, strokes, respiratory failure, or old age anymore. I think we may be overestimating the deaths from Covid, and I think we may be underestimating Covid cases. https://khn.org/news/article/why-the-u-s-is-underestimating-covid-reinfection/ (https://khn.org/news/article/why-the-u-s-is-underestimating-covid-reinfection/)The average age of a Covid death is 82.4. Like I said before old people and people with commodities. https://kmswinkels.medium.com/when-covid-19-deaths-go-up-other-deaths-go-down-53ba82244aca (https://kmswinkels.medium.com/when-covid-19-deaths-go-up-other-deaths-go-down-53ba82244aca)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."
~Thomas Paine



Say what you mean Phil, you too Doug. I'm trying my best to be reasonable. Me, you, Doug, none of us know nothing. I don't see any need in acting like you do either. Only you and the "experts" you choose know absolute truth? I guess the idea is to gaslight me? Gotta show an ID and a covid card to eat at a restaurant? I though ID's were racists. My body my choice. I can just come into America illegally with Covid, no ID, and no way of identifying myself? Jack Dorsey allows the Taliban to post away on Twitter but DJT and a couple other conservative politicians can't post. The hypocrisy in America is thick enough to cut it with a knife.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 18, 2021, 21:00:52 PM
Just heard, you better go hoard some more toliet paper and dog food. :embarassed:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 18, 2021, 22:24:16 PM
Serious question, I mean this is the largest collection of China Flu experts on the interwebs. Should I take it or not?https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/3-leading-covid-19-experts-say-there-isnt-clear-evidence-that-healthy-vaccinated-people-will-need-booster-shots-8-months-out/ar-AANtaYa?ocid=uxbndlbing (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/3-leading-covid-19-experts-say-there-isnt-clear-evidence-that-healthy-vaccinated-people-will-need-booster-shots-8-months-out/ar-AANtaYa?ocid=uxbndlbing)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 19, 2021, 06:19:10 AM
Quote from: Dougfish on August 18, 2021, 18:26:35 PMhttps://www.maxpreps.com/m/news/qdUyJcho80y3HVF-LushUw/north-carolina-high-school-basketball-players-adjusting-to-mask-mandate.htm?amp=1 (https://www.maxpreps.com/m/news/qdUyJcho80y3HVF-LushUw/north-carolina-high-school-basketball-players-adjusting-to-mask-mandate.htm?amp=1)

But, hey. HS and college athletes survived games in masks.
Hmmm, oxygen goes through masks.
I went in for a physical a couple weeks ago. I sat there for 45 minutes with a mask on. When the nurse checked my vitals, my oxygen level was slightly over 90. The nusrse told me to take the mask off. Three minutes later, my O2 level was over 99. And that's sitting there, not doing anything strenuous. Tell me how that's good for you. Going around with a low oxygen level all the time can't be good for your long-term health.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 20, 2021, 04:09:37 AM
Some interesting informantion about viral loads of the vax vs the unvaxed. It looks like there's no difference and the whole idea of having to prove you are vaccinated may be meanless. "Infected people who are doubly vaccinated carry the same amount of Covid - known as viral load - as the unvaccinated, according to the new study." I know nothing, I just found the article an interesting development. If you want to argue, argue with Oxford. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/what-the-new-oxford-ons-study-reveals-about-the-effectiveness-of-covid-vaccines/ar-AANv5PY?ocid=uxbndlbing (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/what-the-new-oxford-ons-study-reveals-about-the-effectiveness-of-covid-vaccines/ar-AANv5PY?ocid=uxbndlbing)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 23, 2021, 14:43:38 PM
Well what do ya know, the FDA approved the Pfizer vaccine, it's a miracle :laugh:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on August 24, 2021, 08:21:14 AM
Military now has the required clearance to mandate it. (Currently about 1/3 are unvaccinated)

I have a friend in the military legal field who says they are now figuring out how to quickly deal with someone who refuses the shot. Big problem is if 10-15% still refuse the shot we cannot afford to lose that many without hurting military readiness.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 24, 2021, 16:40:27 PM
Come on man :laugh: No shortage of sheep or dumbasses on either side b';
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on August 24, 2021, 17:25:49 PM
All I can say is a goat is much more attractive than that bitch.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 24, 2021, 17:34:38 PM
Quote from: greg on August 24, 2021, 17:25:49 PMAll I can say is a goat is much more attractive than that bitch.

That's my mama you're talking about  :P  :laugh:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on August 24, 2021, 17:41:29 PM
 :P you have my most heart felt apology
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 25, 2021, 07:59:58 AM
Get tested or don't play: In split vote, board decides to require testing for athletics, other extracurricular activities in Winston-Salem/Forsyth County Schools


>>> Students who do not consent to be tested will not be allowed to participate in activities, prompting one woman to stand before board and yell: Tyranny!" Security escorted her from the building shortly after.

https://journalnow.com/news/local/education/get-tested-or-dont-play-in-split-vote-board-decides-to-require-testing-for-athletics/article_66cbfea2-0543-11ec-98f2-4bebff203d44.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 25, 2021, 10:11:00 AM
Come on man, you gotta get tested.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 25, 2021, 23:47:37 PM
Guy strips at school board meeting over mask mandate
 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 26, 2021, 00:34:02 AM
Goldie Locks looses it at schoole board meeting
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 26, 2021, 09:41:55 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 26, 2021, 00:34:02 AMGoldie Locks looses it at schoole board meeting

Yea he's blowing a lot of wind  p;-  p;-
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on August 26, 2021, 13:08:34 PM
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 27, 2021, 08:20:57 AM
Quote from: troutrus on August 27, 2021, 06:45:38 AM
Quote from: Al on August 24, 2021, 08:21:14 AMMilitary now has the required clearance to mandate it. (Currently about 1/3 are unvaccinated)

I have a friend in the military legal field who says they are now figuring out how to quickly deal with someone who refuses the shot. Big problem is if 10-15% still refuse the shot we cannot afford to lose that many without hurting military readiness.

I still have mine from Tricky Dick.
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What branch did you end up serving in TRU? What kin of MOS did you have? I had my ping pong ball picked, #3, I'v alway been lucky. b';  The death rate is so low from the covid I don't see the need to force the issue. Do you have any idea what it takes to get a draftees up to speed, some were great, some weren't. Most don't want to be there in the first place and are nothing but problems to the military.  I served with a lot of draftees, some were great, https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/03/16/militarys-coronavirus-cases-latest-rundown.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 27, 2021, 08:39:33 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 27, 2021, 08:20:57 AM
Quote from: troutrus on August 27, 2021, 06:45:38 AM
Quote from: Al on August 24, 2021, 08:21:14 AMMilitary now has the required clearance to mandate it. (Currently about 1/3 are unvaccinated)

I have a friend in the military legal field who says they are now figuring out how to quickly deal with someone who refuses the shot. Big problem is if 10-15% still refuse the shot we cannot afford to lose that many without hurting military readiness.

I still have mine from Tricky Dick.
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That's just a notice to report for a phyical isn't it? What branch did you end up serving in TRU? What kin of MOS did you have? I had my ping pong ball picked, #3, I'v alway been lucky. b';  The death rate is so low from the covid I don't see the need to force the issue. Do you have any idea what it takes to get a draftees up to speed, some were great, some weren't. Most don't want to be there in the first place and are nothing but problems to the military.  I served with a lot of drafteesm some were great, https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/03/16/militarys-coronavirus-cases-latest-rundown.html

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 27, 2021, 09:07:05 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 27, 2021, 08:20:57 AMThe death rate is so low from the covid I don't see the need to force the issue. D


1.5 ~ 2% is hardly a low death rate. 1,215 US deaths yesterday.
39,342,153 US cases   651,956 deaths = 1.66%

It's also about cost and hospital resources. Cone hospital in Greensboro is full up.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 27, 2021, 16:20:20 PM
MOS 11B#P
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 27, 2021, 17:02:52 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 27, 2021, 09:07:05 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 27, 2021, 08:20:57 AMThe death rate is so low from the covid I don't see the need to force the issue. D


1.5 ~ 2% is hardly a low death rate. 1,215 US deaths yesterday.
39,342,153 US cases    651,956 deaths = 1.66%

It's also about cost and hospital resources. Cone hospital in Greensboro is full up.

OK, once again I'm not down playing anything. I was talking about death rates for the military. I think something like 26 active duty military have died.  200,739 have had it. These are young physically fit people. That's a death rate of about .013. So you are going to discharge thousands maybe because of that? As Al pointed out military readyness is important. I was stuck full of every kind of vaccine you can imagine in the Navy and had no say so about it. If I were in the military now I would take it. You live up and work up each others ass 24/7. That doesn't mean that I don't respect those who don't want to take it. They don't need a reason as far as I'm concerned either. You saying you don't want it is good enough for me. I have just as much chance catching covid from someone that has taken the vaccine as I do someone who hasn't, At least that's according to the study from Oxford, https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/03/16/militarys-coronavirus-cases-latest-rundown.html (https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/03/16/militarys-coronavirus-cases-latest-rundown.html)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on August 27, 2021, 20:03:15 PM
Surviving Covid does not mean one's life resumes as if nothing happened.  Those who are familiar with Scarlet Fever know victims are prone to untimely heart failure. Some victims die in their 20s.

So this week, one of my wife's colleagues who survived Covid now has fluid building up around her heart. It appears based on her overall look, and other latent issues, she is experiencing some significant kidney and heart issues.

This fuss over vaccines being unsafe and untested is one the biggest non sequitur bullshit piles I've ever sniffed. Team identity bullshit and narcissism is the only reason for such irrational concerns.

Driving in a car is not safe.  Breathing air has its risks.  The sun is dangerous.  Life on earth is cruel. This is why we don't choose to live near pollution, wear seatbelts, and apply sunscreen, where hats, and long sleeves, and look both ways before crossing a street. These common sense measures are not habits imposed upon us by some enigmatic tyrants with dubious motives.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 27, 2021, 20:36:31 PM
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 27, 2021, 21:38:27 PM
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What does that mean doug? You always stop just short.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 27, 2021, 21:58:24 PM
Quote from: troutrus on August 27, 2021, 14:29:17 PMAn induction notice is a report for duty notice.
I did in fact report, but after further review they decided to send me back home. Apparently I wasn't good enough for them. 
The rest of the guys got on a bus and headed for Fort Dix in Jersey. I got on the subway and went back home. At least my mom was glad to see me.

Lots of people get turned down for some of the craziest reasons. The last couple of years in the Navy my day job was giving physicals mainly for pilots, aircrew, EOD, and ordiance loaders. The least little thing would disqualify you. If so many draftees had know what I knew then it would have been so easy to not pass a physical.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 27, 2021, 22:32:19 PM


https://www.instagram.com/tv/CS-nkWDDlSA/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 28, 2021, 07:33:24 AM


File under; WTF

Anti-parasite drug for animals ivermectin flying off store shelves as COVID spikes

>>> "You can tell the difference between someone who has cattle and someone who doesn't," Krzykowski told the Morning News. "And we're seeing a lot of people right now who don't have cattle."

https://apple.news/A_Y4Tn1uuST6ba0i9-5SM2A



Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 28, 2021, 08:14:02 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 28, 2021, 07:33:24 AMFile under; WTF

Anti-parasite drug for animals ivermectin flying off store shelves as COVID spikes

>>> "You can tell the difference between someone who has cattle and someone who doesn't," Krzykowski told the Morning News. "And we're seeing a lot of people right now who don't have cattle."

https://apple.news/A_Y4Tn1uuST6ba0i9-5SM2A





Well, it is sold in a syringe and set up for injection into horses' asses. So, in that regard it is being used as intended.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 28, 2021, 08:21:09 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 28, 2021, 07:33:24 AMFile under; WTF

Anti-parasite drug for animals ivermectin flying off store shelves as COVID spikes

>>> "You can tell the difference between someone who has cattle and someone who doesn't," Krzykowski told the Morning News. "And we're seeing a lot of people right now who don't have cattle."

https://apple.news/A_Y4Tn1uuST6ba0i9-5SM2A


At Spring PFF, Erby, the owner of the Shady Valley farm where we camp, said that lots of folks there were taking that.
I'm not lying. We were laughing about it later after he left. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on August 28, 2021, 09:00:50 AM
Who knows what to think anymore? Every time I think things might be looking normal again it all goes to shit. How this country got so damn divided over a shot is beyond me. I know some people who refuse to get vaccinated and one who got a third shot long before boosters were allowed. He just went around till he found a walk in clinic who gave him third shot no questions asked. My son is a first year resident in moragnton. He says some there refuse it yet one doctor has had moderna Pfizer and Johnson's and Johnson vaccines. Who the hell knows what to do.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on August 28, 2021, 09:03:27 AM
On the plus side said son and wife had baby boy last week and m holding him now. 8 pounds of pure joy
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 28, 2021, 09:05:11 AM
Ivermectin has actually been clinically proven to do well for fighting the virus, loads of doctors and hospitals are using it every day for covid treatment. Kind of stupid to go get the horse wormer variety and self-administer, though.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on August 28, 2021, 15:02:28 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 28, 2021, 09:05:11 AMIvermectin has actually been clinically proven to do well for fighting the virus, loads of doctors and hospitals are using it every day for covid treatment. Kind of stupid to go get the horse wormer variety and self-administer, though.

Easy there. My wife cannot find one peer reviewed study.  There is a bunch of plagiarized material circulating on the web according to my wife.  She proof reads doctoral dissertations as a side hustle, and hell on cheaters.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 28, 2021, 15:11:02 PM
My RN wife says BS, too. Approved for treating tropical parasites and topically for lice. That's it.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19 (https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 28, 2021, 15:25:39 PM
Got that info from a doctor at a major hospital in Georgia. They are using it successfully, and he said a whole lot of other doctors across the country are too. And even more overseas. I know the man, and I think he's telling the truth. Why wouldn't he be? There doesn't have to be a peer-reviewed journal article for it to work. Doctors experiment with a lot of things under desperate circumstances. If it works, then, that's when they write their journal article. Sorry if it doesn't fit your confirmation bias, just what I've been told. My RN niece confirmed his statement, also. She works at a large hospital in western NC. Why do you think they're lying? Believe what you want, as long as it fits your pre-confirmed opinion.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 28, 2021, 15:47:34 PM
Quote from: greg on August 28, 2021, 09:03:27 AMOn the plus side said son and wife had baby boy last week and m holding him now. 8 pounds of pure joy

Congrats!  Grandkids is where it's at. 👍
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on August 28, 2021, 16:18:39 PM
A great way to get sued and lose your license!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on August 28, 2021, 16:24:44 PM
If people want to take ivermectin int he privacy of their homes, that is their business, and will not judge.  However, if people lean on it because the vaccine "isn't safe", and blather about it, that is fucking retarded. Hell, If I were to contract the Delta variant, and the hospitals were full, hell I'd probably take some ivermectin although I would prefer the maligned hydroxychloroquine since studies have been performed at reputable institutions.


People like my eldest sister and my sister-in-law who damn the vaccine, and preach ivermectin do real harm, and this pisses me off.

If Elizabeth Hurly asked me to orally apply ivermectin to a to her vag while she talked dirty to me with her fancy accent, I would most certainly put it on my tongue.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: streamereater_101691 on August 28, 2021, 18:25:16 PM
Just found out today that @troutsrus and I have a neighbor with a break through infection. Coughing and sneezing only at this point.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 28, 2021, 18:34:06 PM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 28, 2021, 15:25:39 PMGot that info from a doctor at a major hospital in Georgia. They are using it successfully, and he said a whole lot of other doctors across the country are too. And even more overseas. I know the man, and I think he's telling the truth. Why wouldn't he be? There doesn't have to be a peer-reviewed journal article for it to work. Doctors experiment with a lot of things under desperate circumstances. If it works, then, that's when they write their journal article. Sorry if it doesn't fit your confirmation bias, just what I've been told. My RN niece confirmed his statement, also. She works at a large hospital in western NC. Why do you think they're lying? Believe what you want, as long as it fits your pre-confirmed opinion.

My opinion about Ivermectin use for Covid-19 is personally confirmed by my daughter-in-law, who is a practicing physician in Western NC. She works for several large hospitals in that area, and also is lead doctor at two small area clinics. She says, "Absolutely no." My son, who has summa cum laude degrees in microbiology (and would be working in the field except for his incurable end-stage Crohn's Disease), agrees. It appears that the FDA and and the vast majority of other U.S. physicians agree as well.
I believe in science, current medical knowledge, and peer review -- not internet bullshit.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 28, 2021, 19:37:52 PM
I think doctors can use an approved drug for an unapproved condition, or an unapproved use, called off-label use, when they feel it is appropriate for the patient.  Doctors are no different than the rest of us.  There are good ones and others whom we may question their competence.   Obviously, the patient should ask many questions in the case of an off-label use (insurance coverage, other options, efficacy, side effects, etc.).

I doubt any doctor would get any publication mileage from off-label use of a drug unless they are participating in some clinical trial.  Now I am sure there are doctors out there that would submit anything on the web.  I am damn sure there are quacks aplenty.   


PS: Damn, I missed Ken's Elizabeth Hurly "if" statement!  He has now ruined EH for me.  I can't picture Ken involved in cunnilingus with such an English bomb.  I am glad I did not have any supper!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 28, 2021, 20:07:47 PM
The question remains why would one risk the experimental use of a drug but not choose to use as safe and effective vaccine...


QuoteIvermectin has been shown to inhibit the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in cell cultures.13 However, pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies suggest that achieving the plasma concentrations necessary for the antiviral efficacy detected in vitro would require administration of doses up to 100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 28, 2021, 20:09:55 PM
Had a draft card, lost to history, got a number, draft ended, wasn't called
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 29, 2021, 06:46:54 AM
I'm not a doctor, I don't know anything about Ivermectin. I'm not an immunologists either, but that didn't stop me from taking the China Flu vaccine.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 29, 2021, 07:13:02 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 28, 2021, 20:07:47 PMThe question remains why would one risk the experimental use of a drug but not choose to use as safe and effective vaccine...


QuoteIvermectin has been shown to inhibit the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in cell cultures.13 However, pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies suggest that achieving the plasma concentrations necessary for the antiviral efficacy detected in vitro would require administration of doses up to 100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans.

I have no idea. People are strange.

And I never said that taking horse wormer was a good idea, just said that Ivermectin is indeed being used sucessfully by some doctors here in the US, and by a lot more in India and Asia. That is the human formulation. I got the vaccine myself, and I don't want any pig dewormer.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 29, 2021, 07:14:53 AM
Be Not Afraid

"Mississippi's governor says people in the state are less scared of COVID-19 because they 'believe in eternal life'"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mississippis-governor-says-people-state-093113372.html

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 29, 2021, 07:17:51 AM
Quote from: troutrus on August 29, 2021, 07:14:53 AMBe Not Afraid

"Mississippi's governor says people in the state are less scared of COVID-19 because they 'believe in eternal life'"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mississippis-governor-says-people-state-093113372.html





So do I, but I ain't tired of this one yet.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 29, 2021, 07:30:29 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on August 29, 2021, 07:13:02 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 28, 2021, 20:07:47 PMThe question remains why would one risk the experimental use of a drug but not choose to use as safe and effective vaccine...


QuoteIvermectin has been shown to inhibit the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in cell cultures.13 However, pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies suggest that achieving the plasma concentrations necessary for the antiviral efficacy detected in vitro would require administration of doses up to 100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans.

I have no idea. People are strange.

And I never said that taking horse wormer was a good idea, just said that Ivermectin is indeed being used sucessfully by some doctors here in the US, and by a lot more in India and Asia. That is the human formulation. I got the vaccine myself, and I don't want any pig dewormer.

Big talk until it comes down to it, we would all probably eat pig shit if we thought it would save us.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on August 29, 2021, 07:35:10 AM
Good friend of mine said early on he wasn't too afraid of COVID because he had Jesus in his heart. I told him I have Jesus in my heart but I'm in no hurry to meet him face to face.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 29, 2021, 07:46:42 AM
Quote from: streamereater_101691 on August 28, 2021, 18:25:16 PMJust found out today that @troutsrus and I have a neighbor with a break through infection. Coughing and sneezing only at this point.

I hope the patient recovers without incidence of long term effects.
Exactly why I limit my movements among humans even with vaccines, and when I must go out I wear protection.
'Cause ya just never know when it might:
https://youtu.be/rOpQjD-rX0g
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: troutrus on August 29, 2021, 08:01:00 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 28, 2021, 20:07:47 PMThe question remains why would one risk the experimental use of a drug but not choose to use as safe and effective vaccine...


QuoteMisinformation and ignorance abounds.
And as someone mentioned, people are strange.
https://youtu.be/XzZpTxEG3tw
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 29, 2021, 08:17:11 AM
Quote from: troutrus on August 29, 2021, 08:01:00 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 28, 2021, 20:07:47 PMThe question remains why would one risk the experimental use of a drug but not choose to use as safe and effective vaccine...


QuoteMisinformation and ignorance abounds.
And as someone mentioned, people are strange.
https://youtu.be/XzZpTxEG3tw

Maybe because that vaccine isn't proving to be so safe?

Maybe because that vaccine isn't proving to be so effective?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 29, 2021, 16:17:38 PM
Japan just greenlighted Ivermectin treatments after good success in India.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Native Fisher on August 30, 2021, 08:29:34 AM
A well written article that spells out several different things about this virus.

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2021/08/10/what-we-now-know-about-how-to-fight-the-delta-variant-of-covid-column/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 30, 2021, 22:08:46 PM
My son went to get a test this afternoon. He has a sore throat and headache. He has been fully vaccinated for about 5 months. I hope he doesn't have it. I haven't been around him in a couple weeks. I also hope the vaccine does all these wonderful things I keep hearing about.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on August 31, 2021, 05:57:32 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on August 30, 2021, 22:08:46 PMMy son went to get a test this afternoon. He has a sore throat and headache. He has been fully vaccinated for about 5 months. I hope he doesn't have it. I haven't been around him in a couple weeks. I also hope the vaccine does all these wonderful things I keep hearing about.
hoping for the best for all of you.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 31, 2021, 14:52:50 PM
Judges are now doctors???

Judge Orders Hospital to Give Severely Ill Covid-19 Patient Ivermectin
There's no reliable evidence that the drug is effective against the coronavirus.


>>>A judge in Ohio has issued an emergency order telling a hospital to treat a coronavirus patient with ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug being promoted widely by right-wing personalities as a covid-19 treatment and prophylactic. Though it's being studied for that purpose, ivermectin currently doesn't have good data to back it up as a covid-19 treatment. In recent weeks, the U.S. FDA and CDC have warned people against taking ivermectin intended for animals after several overdoses among people attempting to treat themselves.

According to Cincinnati newspaper The Enquirer, court documents show that Butler County Common Pleas Court Judge Gregory Howard ruled on Aug. 23 that West Chester Hospital, Cincinnati must treat Jeffrey Smith, 51, with ivermectin. The hospital initially refused to comply with the prescription, written by Dr. Fred Wagshul, as no reliable scientific evidence exists to show it is effective in the treatment of covid-19
https://gizmodo.com/judge-orders-hospital-to-give-severely-ill-covid-19-pat-1847586545
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 31, 2021, 16:52:13 PM
Judges and conservative politicians are now epidemiologists, it seems.  :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Beetle on August 31, 2021, 17:13:00 PM
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 31, 2021, 17:30:27 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 31, 2021, 14:52:50 PMJudges are now doctors???

Judge Orders Hospital to Give Severely Ill Covid-19 Patient Ivermectin
There's no reliable evidence that the drug is effective against the coronavirus.


>>>A judge in Ohio has issued an emergency order telling a hospital to treat a coronavirus patient with ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug being promoted widely by right-wing personalities as a covid-19 treatment and prophylactic. Though it's being studied for that purpose, ivermectin currently doesn't have good data to back it up as a covid-19 treatment. In recent weeks, the U.S. FDA and CDC have warned people against taking ivermectin intended for animals after several overdoses among people attempting to treat themselves.

According to Cincinnati newspaper The Enquirer, court documents show that Butler County Common Pleas Court Judge Gregory Howard ruled on Aug. 23 that West Chester Hospital, Cincinnati must treat Jeffrey Smith, 51, with ivermectin. The hospital initially refused to comply with the prescription, written by Dr. Fred Wagshul, as no reliable scientific evidence exists to show it is effective in the treatment of covid-19
https://gizmodo.com/judge-orders-hospital-to-give-severely-ill-covid-19-pat-1847586545

If I am reading the article right the judge simply ordered the hospital to give the drug as directed by Dr Fred Wagshul. That's a lot different than the judge ordering someone to just take a drug isn't it? Should the judge have ordered the hospital not to give the drug his MD had prescribed? Wouldn't that have been just as much of problem with judges playing doctor? Yes the CDC and FDA have warned about taking Ivermectin intended for animals, but that isn't what this patient was going to receive. They do make Ivermectin for people. It is an approved FDA drug. Ivermectin was discovered in 1975 and came into medical use in 1981. It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines. Ivermectin is FDA-approved as an antiparasitic agent. In 2018, it was the 420th most commonly prescribed medication in the United States, with more than one hundred thousand prescriptions. It has a lot of other uses in humans as well, you can easlily look them up for yourselves. I am not touting Ivermectin as a cure for covid, I have no idea. I'm not saying don't take the vaccine because you think Ivermectin will save you. I do know the patient this was perscribed for is on a ventiator, and things look pretty grim. I would try anything at that point probably. I agree no one should be taking drugs intended for animal use, well maybe hourse tranquilizers, there're pretty good. <-;:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on September 02, 2021, 02:47:57 AM
A couple of FDA officials resigned today because of the controversy of booster shots. Seems like the White Houses may be calling the shots.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on September 02, 2021, 12:04:19 PM
Quote from: Phil on August 31, 2021, 16:52:13 PMJudges and conservative politicians are now epidemiologists, it seems.  :o
I'd trust a random judge for medical advice before I would trust that grown-up Alfred E. Neuman looking moron Fauci.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 06, 2021, 05:30:21 AM
Op-Ed: On the front lines, here's what the seven stages of severe COVID-19 look like


>>> Get vaccinated. If you choose not to, here's what to expect if you are hospitalized for a serious case of COVID-19.

Stage 1. You've had debilitating symptoms for a few days, but now it is so hard to breathe that you come to the emergency room. Your oxygen saturation level tells us you need help, a supplemental flow of 1 to 4 liters of oxygen per minute. We admit you and start you on antivirals, steroids, anticoagulants or monoclonal antibodies. You'll spend several days in the hospital feeling run-down, but if we can wean you off the oxygen, you'll get discharged. You survive.

Stage 2.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-08-26/pandemic-covid-19-stages-vaccination-intensive-care-respiratory-therapist
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on September 06, 2021, 13:53:58 PM
We are after all this time still ill prepared to treat the most advanced stages of the virus in all but a few of the most advanced medical centers. The vaccines are proving to be less effective every day aginst preventing the virus. Mu is th new kid in town.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 06, 2021, 22:01:30 PM
Now two people I have known have succumbed to the Corona.

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David Bruce Freedman died Friday, September 3, 2021, at Atrium Health Wake Forest Baptist Hospital due to complications from the Covid-19 virus. He was 64 years old. David was born December 1, 1956, to the late Roz and Abe Freedman. He grew up in Asheville, and his love of the mountains continued throughout his life. David graduated from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill in 1979 and from its law school in 1982. After receiving his law degree, he moved to Winston-Salem.

https://www.hayworth-miller.com/obituary/David-Freedman




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Furniture industry icon Frederick Brown Starr, former president and CEO of Thomasville Furniture Industries and Natuzzi Americas, passed away on April 1, 2020 at Moses Cone Hospital from complications of the coronavirus. Born December 11, 1932, in Springfield, MA, Starr joined Thomasville Furniture in 1974 and helped grow the company's annual sales to over 750 million dollars. Starr also supported the state and local community; notably as president of the Piedmont Triad Partnership, vice chairman of UNCG, chairman of the North Carolina Shakespeare Festival, board member and honorary chairman of the PGA Wyndham Championship, treasurer of Reynolda House Museum of American History, board member of High Point University, and president of the Eastern Musical Festival.

https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/greensboro-nc/frederick-starr-9109619
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 06, 2021, 23:58:27 PM
15,000 vacant nursing positions in NC and another 5,000 assistants needed too!

I'll just leave this here;

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys! - An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime. -
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues, -
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

• Wilfred Owen
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on September 07, 2021, 05:39:55 AM
The local hospital reached 99% capacity this past week. Community volunteers are being sought to assist with various tasks.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Native Fisher on September 07, 2021, 13:13:02 PM
And that capacity figure is based on the number of available staff not just available beds in the hospital.  They may have 20 vacant beds in the hospital but if they don't have staff to tend to the patient, then it stays empty.  So the capacity is based on both.  The shortage of medical staff has been greatly affected by this virus. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: driver on September 07, 2021, 20:54:31 PM
My step-father died Sunday of COVID. 62 years old, un-vaccinated. He was in a shit hospital and his only chance, slim that it was, was to be transferred to a hospital with a dialysis machine. No hospital within 2 hours had an available ICU bed.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on September 07, 2021, 21:10:00 PM
That sucks, dude. So sorry.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 07, 2021, 21:45:21 PM
So sorry Jason, that's awful news, so very sad. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on September 08, 2021, 05:55:33 AM
Awful Jason, I'm so sorry to hear that. His situation is not unique. You would think the most expensive health care system in the world could do better than this.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on September 08, 2021, 07:13:54 AM
Hate to hear that Jason. Prayers for you and your family. What hospital system was it out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 08, 2021, 08:37:02 AM
Driver, wish you and family the best.

My neighbor, living on the other side of Little Back Creek, has all the symptoms, very sick for over 4 days.  He's unvaccinated and refuses to be tested, does not want to be a statistic.  I ain't changing his mind on test, vaccine, or seeking care.  Dogmatic, hardheaded individuals in Mountain Grove are still with us.

Local schools virtual for a few weeks.  Lack of bus drivers, staff, and students, plus those in quarantine, has halted normalcy.  The D variant has hit the hills.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fin on September 08, 2021, 08:55:15 AM
QuoteThe local hospital reached 99% capacity this past week

My son had the misfortune of dislocating his patella Friday evening while throwing football in the backyard with his buddies.  Non-contact, just landed funny.  Anyway, we called the Martinsville ER (currently being flooded with new Covid patients) and asked about the wait.  The lady responded, "We're doing the best we can."  That was my que to turn the truck around and head to Brenner Childeren's ER in Winston Salem.  My son was stretched out, in agony, of the floorboard of my pickup for the hour drive to Winston Salem. There was no way was I taking him into the mess at the local ER.  Let's all hope this Delta surge subsides soon.     
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 08, 2021, 09:01:06 AM
Quote from: Fin on September 08, 2021, 08:55:15 AM
QuoteThe local hospital reached 99% capacity this past week

My son had the misfortune of dislocating his patella Friday evening while throwing football in the backyard with his buddies.  Non-contact, just landed funny.  Anyway, we called the Martinsville ER (currently being flooded with new Covid patients) and asked about the wait.  The lady responded, "We're doing the best we can."  That was my que to turn the truck around and head to Brenner Childeren's ER in Winston Salem.  My son was stretched out, in agony, of the floorboard of my pickup for the hour drive to Winston Salem. There was no way was I taking him into the mess at the local ER.  Let's all hope this Delta surge subsides soon.     

Holy cow.. I hope all was resolved quickly at Brenner
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fin on September 08, 2021, 09:08:11 AM
QuoteI hope all was resolved quickly at Brenner

Well, it took an hour or so for the doctor to finally see him but once he did he had it back in place before my son even realized what had happened.  Instant relief.  He's doing fine now; a little sore and stiff but back at school on crutches.  Has a follow up with his pediatric orthopedic next week. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Native Fisher on September 08, 2021, 10:25:20 AM
Quote from: Onslow on September 07, 2021, 05:39:55 AMThe local hospital reached 99% capacity this past week. Community volunteers are being sought to assist with various tasks.

My local hospital just told all senior staff, from the President down to Department managers, they would be required to work shifts assisting on the Covid wards because of lack of staff.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 08, 2021, 12:25:00 PM
I had my annual physical yesterday and the office was running about half staffed with nurses and receptionist — but no wait for the phlebotomist
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 10, 2021, 13:52:53 PM
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on September 11, 2021, 09:19:15 AM
There has been discussion about masks and vaccines, but very little concerning school athletics. This past Spring, it was discovered that nationwide, 90% of student covid transmissions took place during/at sporting events. Not only was this the case nationally, but locally.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on September 11, 2021, 10:13:29 AM
Quote from: Onslow on September 11, 2021, 09:19:15 AMThere has been discussion about masks and vaccines, but very little concerning school athletics. This past Spring, it was discovered that nationwide, 90% of student covid transmissions took place during/at sporting events. Not only was this the case nationally, but locally.
I was thinking about that when four of my friends were shoulder to shoulder at the Michigan game Saturday.  Can you post a link to that article?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on September 11, 2021, 10:34:14 AM
Saw game day come on espn this morning and crowd was shoulder to shoulder and no mask. Our local high school football team couldn't play last night due to 15 testing positive. Damn will this shit not ever end? My eight month old grandson has cold symptoms. He was tested yesterday. Still waiting for results.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on September 11, 2021, 11:45:48 AM
Quote from: jwgnc on September 11, 2021, 10:13:29 AM
Quote from: Onslow on September 11, 2021, 09:19:15 AMThere has been discussion about masks and vaccines, but very little concerning school athletics. This past Spring, it was discovered that nationwide, 90% of student covid transmissions took place during/at sporting events. Not only was this the case nationally, but locally.
I was thinking about that when four of my friends were shoulder to shoulder at the Michigan game Saturday.  Can you post a link to that article?

Wish I could.  My wife receives bulletins from her place of employment which are not meant for public consumption. .  The hard data source is from the Surry county health dept.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 16, 2021, 14:12:19 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CT5FZnuJIAn/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 16, 2021, 14:56:39 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/09/16/columbia_sportswear_ceo_the_only_way_were_going_to_get_the_world_operating_in_a_normal_condition_is_to_get_everyone_vaccinated.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 16, 2021, 16:12:58 PM
Covid: Italy to require all workers to show 'green pass' certificate https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58590187
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on September 16, 2021, 19:25:02 PM
We need the government to supply more Monoclonal Antibodies to the states. I may never go to an indoor movie again. I wish they would bring back drive-movies.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 16, 2021, 19:32:57 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on September 16, 2021, 19:25:02 PMWe need the government to supply more Monoclonal Antibodies to the states. I may never go to an indoor movie again. I wish they would bring back drive-movies.

not even to see James Bond?

https://youtu.be/N_gD9-Oa0fg
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on September 16, 2021, 20:09:13 PM
It was hard to lure me out before. This crap has made me reluctant to be in a room full of people. I don't even go to the midget wrestling/ stripper nights at the local dive any more.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on September 16, 2021, 21:24:55 PM
I'm an official volunteer with the WRC (get a free hat and calendar) - received an email from them today saying all WRC personnel to include volunteers must have Covid vaccine record on file or submit to weekly test - They are still working out the details. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on September 17, 2021, 02:47:57 AM
Quote from: Al on September 16, 2021, 21:24:55 PMI'm an official volunteer with the WRC (get a free hat and calendar) - received an email from them today saying all WRC personnel to include volunteers must have Covid vaccine record on file or submit to weekly test - They are still working out the details. 

 I never got a hat or calendar :laugh:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on September 17, 2021, 19:55:17 PM
My wife's cousin Bobby who we both admired and loved, and his son, both were taken by covid today.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 17, 2021, 20:15:25 PM
Oh that's terrible — so sorry to hear — thoughts and prayers with you and your family
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on September 17, 2021, 20:41:41 PM
Horrible to hear, Ken. Big hugs.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on September 17, 2021, 20:44:50 PM
Damn that's tough. Sure hate that for you and your family.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on September 18, 2021, 06:16:22 AM
That's hard to hear. So sorry for your loss, Ken.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dee-Vo on September 18, 2021, 07:51:15 AM
@Onslow  - I'm sorry to hear this, man. I learned a couple days ago that a girl that I went to highschool with passed with Covid.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on September 18, 2021, 13:31:05 PM
That's awful news Ken. Every family has someone they all look to for guidance and wisdom. "Death leaves a heartache no one can heal, and love leaves a memory no one can steal" Old Irish saying.
 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Stone-Man on September 18, 2021, 15:19:51 PM
Dang Terrible news  prayers sent
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 18, 2021, 23:23:31 PM
Some Vaccines Last a Lifetime. Here's Why Covid-19 Shots Don't.

Researchers have calculated a key number—the threshold of protection—for other vaccines. Covid-19's is still a mystery.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-vaccines-last-a-lifetime-heres-why-covid-19-shots-dont-11631266201

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: itieuglyflies on September 19, 2021, 09:00:38 AM
Ken- Sorry for your loss, friend. Prayers for you and your family
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on September 20, 2021, 22:17:22 PM
Not good - prayers to family to get through this.

Do you know any details you can share, ie were they in hospital - how long? ICU? How old and had they taken vaccine?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 21, 2021, 07:28:20 AM
Anti-Vax Hypocrite Eric Clapton Breaks Own Vow, Plays Venue With Vaccine Mandate
Musician who swore never to play a vaccine-mandate show goes ahead and does just that in New Orleans


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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/eric-clapton-vaccine-mandate-show-smoothie-king-1229285/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on September 21, 2021, 19:46:13 PM
Quote from: Al on September 20, 2021, 22:17:22 PMNot good - prayers to family to get through this.

Do you know any details you can share, ie were they in hospital - how long? ICU? How old and had they taken vaccine?

92 and 67.  Both not vaccinated. Bob was old, but he was in great shape. Drove until 90, and wrote a book last year. Bob spent about a week in the hospital, the son was a militant anti vaccer, and died alone at home.

Yes, my wife really does have a cousin that is 92.  Her grandparents on her father's side were wed in 1899.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 23, 2021, 09:05:31 AM
The situation in Billings Montana Is dire!


At an Overrun ICU, 'the Problem Is We Are Running Out of Hallways'

BILLINGS, Mont. — Nurses fill the hospital room to turn a patient from his stomach to his back. The ventilator forcing air into him is most effective when he's on his stomach, so he is in that position most hours of the day, sedated and paralyzed by drugs.
Lying on his stomach all those hours has produced sores on his face, and one nurse dabs at the wounds. The dark lesions are insignificant given his current state, but she continues just the same, gently, soothingly, appearing to whisper to him as she works.
The man has been a patient at Billings Clinic for nearly a month, most of that time in the hospital's intensive care unit. He is among other patients, room after room of them, with the same grim tubes inserted down their throats. They have covid-19 — the vast majority unvaccinated against the virus, the hospital says. Visitors generally aren't permitted in these rooms, but the man's mother comes most days to gaze through a glass window for the allowed 15 minutes.
This all happened Friday. He was dead, at age 24, by Sunday morning.

https://apple.news/AEfjzV4cGRIyKfCrHjhGkrA
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 14, 2021, 06:16:46 AM
THE MYSTERIOUS CASE OF THE COVID-19 LAB-LEAK THEORY
Did the virus spring from nature or from human error?

>>> Since the coronavirus first appeared, at the end of 2019, four and a half million people have died, countless more have suffered, whole economies have been upended, schools have been shuttered. Why? Did the virus jump from an animal to its first human host, its patient zero? Or, as some suspect, was the catastrophe the result of a laboratory accident in Wuhan, a city of eleven million people in central China?

https://apple.news/AMZXylaeaSbqiKJUd7qBeCg


Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on October 14, 2021, 12:01:20 PM
Fascinating article.  Thanks for sharing. I hadn't thought about which way is better for China.

I'm refering to this section:

The stakes are high on all sides. From one perspective, proving the virus has a natural origin is even worse for China. If wildlife farms were responsible for the pandemic, that would implicate the policies of President Xi Jinping. If there was a lab leak, just one, or a few, scientists are culpable of an accident. Either way, it is likely that the Chinese government prefers a storm of swirling theories ...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on October 14, 2021, 16:41:21 PM
Want to know what's really going on in Billings MT? Things are bad enough without some BS piece by some Apple News wanna be. I think the virus is man made and the US government played a part in it.https://ci.billings.mt.us/2928/Hospital-Resource-Capacity#:~:text=Billings%20hospitals%20have%2072%20ICU%20rooms%20in%20total%2C,of%20Montana%20report%20ICU%20rooms%20at%20their%20facilities (https://ci.billings.mt.us/2928/Hospital-Resource-Capacity#:~:text=Billings%20hospitals%20have%2072%20ICU%20rooms%20in%20total%2C,of%20Montana%20report%20ICU%20rooms%20at%20their%20facilities)


Use the forward arrows to look through the stats on MT hospitals from the link. Here's just the ventilator information. It is obvious that the hospital is full of unvaccinated people, but the situation is nothing like the dark picture being painted in the Apple news article. WhY CAN'T WE JUST GET THE TRUTH ANYMORE!
There are 527 operable ventilators in the state of Montana, 65 (12%) of which are currently being used to treat COVID-19 patients
Billings has 213 ventilators between SCL Health St. Vincent, Billings Clinic, and the Advanced Care Hospital of Montana
26 (12%) of the ventilators in Billings hospitals are being used to treat COVID-19 patients
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on October 14, 2021, 16:48:38 PM
The science is beyond me for the most part but I found it to be fascinating as well.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on October 14, 2021, 16:50:31 PM
I was referring to the link wooly put up. Have not read the other yet.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on October 14, 2021, 17:17:44 PM
This woman is pretty damn convincing. Twitter and others have tried to silence her. I think she lives in fear for her life and is telling the truth.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on October 14, 2021, 17:25:19 PM
I was pretty much a fuck up in school. Failed college biology first time. D second go around. Wish I had paid more attention. This is fascinating to look at. Only wish I understood the science a little more.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 14, 2021, 17:29:51 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on October 14, 2021, 17:17:44 PMThis woman is pretty damn convincing. Twitter and others have tried to silence her. I think she lives in fear for her life and is telling the truth.


challenged by some

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/252590/20200916/fact-check-covid-19-whistleblower-li-meng-yan-releases-paper-with-other-scientists-suggesting-sophisticated-laboratory-modification.htm
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on October 14, 2021, 18:09:44 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on October 14, 2021, 16:41:21 PMWant to know what's really going on in Billings MT? Things are bad enough without some BS peice by some Apple News wanna be. I think the virus is man made and the US government played a part in it.https://ci.billings.mt.us/2928/Hospital-Resource-Capacity#:~:text=Billings%20hospitals%20have%2072%20ICU%20rooms%20in%20total%2C,of%20Montana%20report%20ICU%20rooms%20at%20their%20facilities (https://ci.billings.mt.us/2928/Hospital-Resource-Capacity#:~:text=Billings%20hospitals%20have%2072%20ICU%20rooms%20in%20total%2C,of%20Montana%20report%20ICU%20rooms%20at%20their%20facilities)


Use the forward arrows to look through the stats on MT hospitals from the link. Here's just the ventilator information. It is obvious that the hospital is full of unvaccinated people, but the situation is nothing like the dark picture being painted in the Apple news article. WhY CAN'T WE JUST GET THE TRUTH ANYMORE!
There are 527 operable ventilators in the state of Montana, 65 (12%) of which are currently being used to treat COVID-19 patients
Billings has 213 ventilators between SCL Health St. Vincent, Billings Clinic, and the Advanced Care Hospital of Montana
26 (12%) of the ventilators in Billings hospitals are being used to treat COVID-19 patients
The article posted as  https://apple.news/AEfjzV4cGRIyKfCrHjhGkrA (https://apple.news/AEfjzV4cGRIyKfCrHjhGkrA) sends you to a Kaiser Health News site, not Apple, and was specific to the Billings Clinic which had zero ICU beds available on 09/20 per the Montana Department of Health and Human Services:  https://dphhs.mt.gov/assets/publichealth/CDEpi/DiseasesAtoZ/2019-nCoV/Reports/HospitalReport09202021.pdf

The link you posted also shows that specific hospital with zero ICU capacity (although the other Billings hospital had ICU beds available). 
Billings Clinic ICU.jpg

That hospital had a crappy week and it made the news, but I found no BS in the article and I doubt the author wants to be an Apple. 

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on October 14, 2021, 18:53:58 PM
Jay you are right about the source of the article. I'm still not sure she doesn't want to be an apple :laugh: .  I see Apple in the link and go nuts just like some see FOX and go nuts. I haven't trusted any thing I was told by the government or media since 1969.  In this case though, I was wrong about the source, you are correct. I type without thinking some time. The article Keith posted is about as dystopic as it gets, it was hard to read. 19/25 looks a little more reasonable. I'm just glad they have some ICU capacity in area hospitals.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on October 14, 2021, 18:56:40 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 14, 2021, 17:29:51 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on October 14, 2021, 17:17:44 PMThis woman is pretty damn convincing. Twitter and others have tried to silence her. I think she lives in fear for her life and is telling the truth.


challenged by some

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/252590/20200916/fact-check-covid-19-whistleblower-li-meng-yan-releases-paper-with-other-scientists-suggesting-sophisticated-laboratory-modification.htm

No doubt it is challenged by some. I'm not qualified to make the call, I'm not a virologist. Being the scientific oriented person that you are though, you are no doubt familiar with Occam's razor though right? Well, too many fingers are pointing at man made for me and there are a lot of experts that think so to.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 15, 2021, 13:28:01 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on October 14, 2021, 18:56:40 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 14, 2021, 17:29:51 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on October 14, 2021, 17:17:44 PMThis woman is pretty damn convincing. Twitter and others have tried to silence her. I think she lives in fear for her life and is telling the truth.


challenged by some

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/252590/20200916/fact-check-covid-19-whistleblower-li-meng-yan-releases-paper-with-other-scientists-suggesting-sophisticated-laboratory-modification.htm

No doubt it is challenged by some. I'm not qualified to make the call, I'm not a virologist. Being the scientific oriented person that you are though, you are no doubt familiar with Occam's razor though right? Well, too many fingers are pointing at man made for me and there are a lot of experts that think so to.


It's just way too much of a major fucking coincidence that it "jumped from a bat to a human" just by chance in the same city with the big viral research lab.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 15, 2021, 16:06:01 PM
The mystery of how long Covid damages our memory https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58918869


In the 16 months since Chrissy Gibson was diagnosed with Covid-19, she has had to re-learn many aspects of her life. How to walk, how to talk, how to live.
She is one of the millions of long Covid patients, who despite no longer testing positive for the virus, continue to have life-altering side effects like memory loss.


Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 15, 2021, 17:25:01 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on October 15, 2021, 16:06:01 PMThe mystery of how long Covid damages our memory https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58918869


In the 16 months since Chrissy Gibson was diagnosed with Covid-19, she has had to re-learn many aspects of her life. How to walk, how to talk, how to live.
She is one of the millions of long Covid patients, who despite no longer testing positive for the virus, continue to have life-altering side effects like memory loss.



That's sad. If the Chinese did brew this stuff up, they should be held accountable for it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 19, 2021, 07:09:49 AM
File this under "i'm a pissed off taxpayer"



In the approved policy, full-time employees who are vaccinated or get the vaccine will receive a one-time, $1,000 bonus and part-time employees will receive $500.
https://myfox8.com/news/north-carolina/piedmont-triad/winston-salem-city-council-unanimously-approves-vaccination-police-for-city-employees
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on October 19, 2021, 11:07:20 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on October 19, 2021, 07:09:49 AMFile this under "i'm a pissed off taxpayer"



In the approved policy, full-time employees who are vaccinated or get the vaccine will receive a one-time, $1,000 bonus and part-time employees will receive $500.
https://myfox8.com/news/north-carolina/piedmont-triad/winston-salem-city-council-unanimously-approves-vaccination-police-for-city-employees

Small towns too:

Mars Hill Town Manager Nathan Bennett said the town is implementing a vaccine incentive program, as only nine of the town's 25 employees are vaccinated. Bennett revealed the number during the Mars Hill Town Board of Aldermen's Oct. 4 meeting at Town Hall. 

The board voted unanimously to implement a vaccine incentive program, with the town's 25 employees eligible to receive a one-time $500 check if they volunteer for a vaccination.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on October 19, 2021, 15:59:27 PM
I'm self employed. I didn't get shit for getting vaccinated.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on October 19, 2021, 17:15:04 PM
You were smart. You got protected.
I hope business is great.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 19, 2021, 17:22:49 PM
I wish I had waited to get stuck now.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on October 19, 2021, 18:12:04 PM
I'm getting boosted in 2 weeks.
Why wait for any reward other than better health chances?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on October 19, 2021, 18:43:58 PM
I'm getting booster as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on October 19, 2021, 19:59:31 PM
Christmas is right around the corner, I'm holding out on that booster for another check.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Al on October 20, 2021, 07:07:27 AM
Latest news from the military concerning vaccines

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/10/19/covid-vaccine-mandate-endangers-military-readiness-top-republican-lawmaker-claims/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB%2010.20.21&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Military%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/19/politics/pentagon-civilian-vaccine-mandate-punishments/index.html?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB%2010.20.21&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Military%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-sailors-refuse-covid-19-vaccines-repay-bonuses/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB%2010.20.21&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Military%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on October 20, 2021, 16:05:25 PM
Quote from: Al on October 20, 2021, 07:07:27 AMLatest news from the military concerning vaccines

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/10/19/covid-vaccine-mandate-endangers-military-readiness-top-republican-lawmaker-claims/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB%2010.20.21&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Military%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/19/politics/pentagon-civilian-vaccine-mandate-punishments/index.html?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB%2010.20.21&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Military%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-sailors-refuse-covid-19-vaccines-repay-bonuses/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB%2010.20.21&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Military%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

I think some essential workers like cops, firemen, and airline pilots are going to get a little wiggle room. I think the military is already going through a peace time down sizing. I don't see them changing course.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on October 21, 2021, 10:05:52 AM
Sooo, woke up Tuesday with nasal drainage and a scratchy throat. Developed a cough.
Had a bit of a fever that night. Took an at home test Wed AM. Positive. Fuck.
Wife's was negative. Called out of work.
Got a physician ordered drive through test in the afternoon.
Negative results this AM.
Back to my common cold that wants to turn into a sinus infection. Or the flu?
Moral of the story: Frigging at home tests are not dependable.
And I had gotten a flu shot Tuesday. That caused my fever?
Carry on. Stay careful, my friends.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 21, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
Friend got a flu and pneumonia shot at the same time and came down with a fever in general malaise for a day or two
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on October 21, 2021, 10:41:20 AM
Damn I need to get a flu shot. Glad your test came back negative.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dee-Vo on October 21, 2021, 15:55:23 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on October 21, 2021, 10:05:52 AMMoral of the story: Frigging at home tests are not dependable.


Neither is the one you took in the drive-thru nor are the ones administered in random physician's offices for other folks.

Either way, I hope you feel better sooner than later.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on October 21, 2021, 16:02:02 PM
Quote from: Dee-Vo on October 21, 2021, 15:55:23 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on October 21, 2021, 10:05:52 AMMoral of the story: Frigging at home tests are not dependable.


Neither is the one you took in the drive-thru or in a random physician's office for other folks.

I'll believe a lab over a test in a box. All damn day.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dee-Vo on October 21, 2021, 16:08:33 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on October 21, 2021, 16:02:02 PM
Quote from: Dee-Vo on October 21, 2021, 15:55:23 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on October 21, 2021, 10:05:52 AMMoral of the story: Frigging at home tests are not dependable.


Neither is the one you took in the drive-thru or in a random physician's office for other folks.

I'll believe a lab over a test in a box. All damn day.

I'll agree, although I wouldn't be much more inclined to accept even the majority of those to be accurate either. Just an honest observation with my own two eyes. I find that I take things from a whole different perspective when it's my own findings, and not just an article or video that I've come across. (Not that they're all incorrect)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 21, 2021, 16:37:50 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on October 21, 2021, 10:05:52 AMSooo, woke up Tuesday with nasal drainage and a scratchy throat. Developed a cough.
Had a bit of a fever that night. Took an at home test Wed AM. Positive. Fuck.
Wife's was negative. Called out of work.
Got a physician ordered drive through test in the afternoon.
Negative results this AM.
Back to my common cold that wants to turn into a sinus infection. Or the flu?
Moral of the story: Frigging at home tests are not dependable.
And I had gotten a flu shot Tuesday. That caused my fever?
Carry on. Stay careful, my friends.
That's the way I feel every time I get a flu shot.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 21, 2021, 17:38:56 PM
@Dougfish for the next 14 days your new name is Covid Breath
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Native Fisher on October 22, 2021, 07:46:48 AM
PCR tests that you have to wait a few days for the results are the most accurate.  Rapid tests can have false positive and false negatives.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Fin on October 22, 2021, 09:23:00 AM
QuoteI'll believe a lab over a test in a box. All damn day.

Years ago when my dear wife was pregnant with our first child some routine lab tests were ordered.  Imagine both our shock and surprise when one came back positive for the clap!  Needless to say, things were a bit tense at home as accusations whipped and lashed about.  Mercifully a few hours later the lab called back and confessed to mixing up the test samples. If only I had been a money grubbing, litigious prick I could have cashed in!   
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on October 22, 2021, 12:43:45 PM
Quote from: Native Fisher on October 22, 2021, 07:46:48 AMPCR tests that you have to wait a few days for the results are the most accurate.  Rapid tests can have false positive and false negatives.

Mine was a PCR. Results in 18 hours!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 22, 2021, 13:14:39 PM
Daughter reported having a nasty cold — Covid test at Drs office negative
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on November 01, 2021, 18:37:43 PM
round and round it goes...

Russia Reports Another Near-Record Daily Death Toll As COVID-19 Continues To Engulf Country

Russia has reported another 1,158 coronavirus-related deaths over the past 24 hours, just three fewer that the record set the previous day as the pandemic continues to engulf the country.

The country's coronavirus task force said on November 1 that it had recorded 40,402 new COVID-19 infections, the third consecutive day the figure has topped 40,000. It added that some 932,000 patients are currently undergoing treatment for COVID-19 in Russia.


https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-covid-deaths-infections-record/31539088.html





China Disneyland Mass Tests over 30,000 Tourists after Theme Park Reported One Positive COVID Case

Shanghai Disneyland closed down temporarily on Sunday after it was discovered that a visitor had a positive COVID case. Nearly 34,000 other tourists on the premises had to be tested before leaving as part of China's strict COVID containment efforts.

The amusement park's forceful reaction to the singular positive case is in line with Beijing's "zero tolerance" policy approach to the disease that is reminiscent of Australia's, where COVID infections are tracked very closely among the population and lockdowns were reimposed well after many western countries lifted them. But while Australia has a 64.3 percent vaccination rate, China has an almost 80 percent vaccination rate.

https://news.yahoo.com/china-disneyland-mass-tests-over-205551600.html




locally the WB has received his booster...  :drum

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on November 01, 2021, 19:19:48 PM
The one positive case in China may never be seen again.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on November 02, 2021, 04:55:45 AM
Spoke with a fam last week who travelled out west.  The whole clan was vaccinated, but 8 out of 10 were infected during the trip.

Contributors at Ruptly enjoy making light of the West's covid hysteria, but many if not all areas in Russia are in their second week of lockdown. My wife was supposed to be involved with shared zoom classroom meetings with a Russian counterpart, but schools are not operating due to the dramatic spike in cases.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on November 02, 2021, 09:52:55 AM
Had a third shot (half dose) of Moderna yesterday.  Achy all over last night; back to achy in just the usual places this morning. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on November 02, 2021, 10:16:31 AM
Third Pfizer yesterday. Sore injection site, that is all.  :Dance
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on November 02, 2021, 14:13:05 PM
Fever and tired yesterday — back fishing today  d:b
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on November 02, 2021, 14:14:56 PM
Is everyone taking booster shots from the same manufacturer as the first 2 doses? The first dose of the Pfizer was rough on me for 2 or 3 days.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on November 02, 2021, 19:54:07 PM
I stayed with moderna — they asked what I preferred
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on November 05, 2021, 07:46:55 AM
Oh great...

>>>THURSDAY, Nov. 4, 2021 (HealthDay News) -- The discovery that up to 80% of white-tailed deer in Iowa may be infected with COVID-19 has scientists worried that the animals could become a reservoir for variants that could come back to haunt humans.

In the new study, samples were collected lymph node samples from hundreds of dead deer across the state from April 2020 through January 2021. The researchers believe it's likely that the virus is rapidly spreading among the deer, The New York Times reported.

There's no evidence of deer-to-human infection, but the Penn State University authors and Iowa wildlife officials are warning deer hunters and others who have contact with deer to take precautions.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211104/covid-widespread-among-iowa-deer
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on November 05, 2021, 08:44:20 AM
Whoa. And Denmark killed all 17 million of their farmed mink.  :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on November 05, 2021, 16:27:23 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on November 05, 2021, 07:46:55 AMOh great...

>>>THURSDAY, Nov. 4, 2021 (HealthDay News) -- The discovery that up to 80% of white-tailed deer in Iowa may be infected with COVID-19 has scientists worried that the animals could become a reservoir for variants that could come back to haunt humans.

In the new study, samples were collected lymph node samples from hundreds of dead deer across the state from April 2020 through January 2021. The researchers believe it's likely that the virus is rapidly spreading among the deer, The New York Times reported.

There's no evidence of deer-to-human infection, but the Penn State University authors and Iowa wildlife officials are warning deer hunters and others who have contact with deer to take precautions.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211104/covid-widespread-among-iowa-deer

Did it mention anything about sheep /"\  ;D
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 01, 2021, 08:34:23 AM
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: trout-r-us on December 05, 2021, 18:47:17 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on December 01, 2021, 08:34:23 AM<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CNBC&#39;s Jim Cramer DEMANDS Biden Impose Nationwide Vaccine Mandate in Epic Rant <a href="https://t.co/aruDvbGnUh">https://t.co/aruDvbGnUh</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/Mediaite?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@mediaite</a> <a href="https://t.co/14ELNrws9c">pic.twitter.com/14ELNrws9c</a></p>&mdash; Tommy moderna-vaX-Topher (@tommyxtopher) <a href="https://twitter.com/tommyxtopher/status/1465723591585062912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on December 01, 2021, 08:34:23 AM<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CNBC&#39;s Jim Cramer DEMANDS Biden Impose Nationwide Vaccine Mandate in Epic Rant <a href="https://t.co/aruDvbGnUh">https://t.co/aruDvbGnUh</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/Mediaite?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@mediaite</a> <a href="https://t.co/14ELNrws9c">pic.twitter.com/14ELNrws9c</a></p>&mdash; Tommy moderna-vaX-Topher (@tommyxtopher) <a href="https://twitter.com/tommyxtopher/status/1465723591585062912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Makes good sense to me. But it would take a leader with a set of balls and some integrity. Something this nation hasn't had in a loooong time.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on December 05, 2021, 19:18:30 PM
Peeps would be assign blame for many ailments on vaccines if a full vaccine mandate were to be enforced. Lawyers would become rich, and chaos would ensue.

The issue isn't leadership, it is citizenship. With freedom and liberty comes responsibility.  Narcissism and self indulgence to often is confused with liberty and freedom, but the latter can obviously be only attained through whole hearted citizenship by all, but duties of citizenship are inconvenient, and infringes on our "rights".
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: trout-r-us on December 05, 2021, 21:56:56 PM
The Tytler Cycle

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 07, 2021, 18:17:11 PM
You must be terrified of the new variant. Grown-up Alfred E. Neuman said so.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: trout-r-us on December 08, 2021, 08:53:00 AM
My wife's cousin died last week from Covid complications. First family member for either of us to have died from Covid thus far. He and his wife had the virus simultaneously. She was fully vaccinated and he refused for some reason. She recovered and he suffered and died.
The End.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on December 15, 2021, 10:40:02 AM
Long way to go to beat this bug.  Not even close to being out of the woods.


https://news.yahoo.com/cornell-university-forced-shut-down-213119764.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on December 15, 2021, 12:43:26 PM
Getting ready for a few family members coming Friday.  We're all boosted and will be  tested. 
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 15, 2021, 15:22:34 PM
The U.K. and Germany are showing us how bad this can get...

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

ukcovid.jpg

https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/de
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on December 15, 2021, 20:17:08 PM
I've been masked at work. I'm about done for the year.
All coworkers are masked inside, vaxed and/or boosted. Customers are 50/50 masked.

Went to a local TU gathering at a brewery tonight. No masks.

I'm hunkering down after Christmas.
No offense, but many of my fellow humans suk.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on December 15, 2021, 20:20:19 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on December 15, 2021, 20:17:08 PMI've been masked at work. I'm about done for the year.
All coworkers are masked inside, vaxed and/or boosted. Customers are 50/50 masked.

Went to a local TU gathering at a brewery tonight. No masks.

I'm hunkering down after Christmas.
No offense, but many of my fellow humans suk.

Aren't you vaxed and boosted? What are you worried about?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: jwgnc on December 15, 2021, 20:32:29 PM
My wife and all our friends are vaxed and boosted.  We all wear masks in public in case we are asymtomatic and might infect others.  Also to protect ourselves; my neighbor and his wife got covid after they were vaxed (neither had to be hospitalized.)  She works in a factory setting and he is a pastor - lots of exposure.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: trout-r-us on December 15, 2021, 21:07:27 PM
Quote from: jwgnc on December 15, 2021, 20:32:29 PMMy wife and all our friends are vaxed and boosted.  We all wear masks in public in case we are asymtomatic and might infect others.  Also to protect ourselves; my neighbor and his wife got covid after they were vaxed (neither had to be hospitalized.)  She works in a factory setting and he is a pastor - lots of exposure.

Kudos to you, wife, and friends 👍. I wish more people were as concerned for the well being of others.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 22, 2021, 09:16:14 AM
Chinese city locks down 13 million residents to fight Covid outbreak


>>>Over 13 million people were ordered to stay home in the Chinese city of Xi'an, which imposed a strict lockdown on Wednesday and dramatically tightened travel controls to fight a growing Covid-19 outbreak.

With Beijing preparing to host the 2022 Winter Olympics in February, China is on high alert as it fights local outbreaks in several cities.

The new restrictions were imposed after Xi'an reported 52 new coronavirus cases on Wednesday, bringing the total to 143 since December 9.


https://news.yahoo.com/chinese-city-locks-down-13-114206391.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on December 22, 2021, 12:42:22 PM
oh, crap... I trust big pharma (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J) over government (China, Russia, US Army)

The US Army is testing a universal vaccine it hopes will target all coronavirus variants


>>>The US Army is wrapping up early clinical trials on a vaccine it hopes will target all existing coronavirus variants.

Named SpFN, for Spike Ferritin Nanoparticle, it has shown promise in non-human primate trials and early human trial results are expected "this month," according to a press release from the US Army Walter Reed Army Institute of Research released Thursday.

The jab could also help protect against other coronaviruses beyond COVID-19, which could offer hope against future pandemics.


https://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-universal-vaccine-target-spfn-variants-pan-coronavirus-sars-2021-12


Who's in line for this new vaccine?  -+;
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on December 22, 2021, 16:33:54 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on December 22, 2021, 12:42:22 PMWho's in line for this new vaccine? 
Army vaccines? Aaaack!  :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on December 22, 2021, 19:13:42 PM
Quote from: Phil on December 22, 2021, 16:33:54 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on December 22, 2021, 12:42:22 PMWho's in line for this new vaccine?
Army vaccines? Aaaack!  :o


I don't know, there are some brilliant, superb minds at Walter Reed.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on December 24, 2021, 07:24:00 AM
I'd take the Army vaccine.

Covid has taught me just how disgusting and handsy people are. Get your filthy breath and grubby hands off my shit!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 24, 2021, 07:34:19 AM
Quote from: Onslow on December 24, 2021, 07:24:00 AMI'd take the Army vaccine.

Covid has taught me just how disgusting and handsy people are. Get your filthy breath and grubby hands off my shit!

You got that right. I feel the same way even more so now than ever.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on December 24, 2021, 09:05:38 AM
I'm over all this covid bullshit. Meh. I've had so many shots that I look like a porcupine. Every time it dies down, they come up with another scary variant that we should all lock down and hide from, get more shots, and wrap yourself in Saran wrap from head to toe, ignore your family, and live in fear. Fuck dat. I'm done.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on December 27, 2021, 10:07:38 AM
New reservoir? New mutations to follow? 


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/northeast-ohio-e2-80-99s-deer-catching-covid-19-study-says/ar-AAS7Gq2?ocid=uxbndlbing
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dee-Vo on December 27, 2021, 11:23:20 AM
We may be 'done' with Covid, but it's not done with us.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 07, 2022, 10:46:42 AM
In related vaccine news...

The U.S. recorded the highest number of rabies deaths in a decade last year.
Health officials said some of the five people didn't realize they had been infected or refused life-saving shots.

NEW YORK — Five Americans died of rabies last year — the largest number in a decade — and health officials said Thursday that some of the people didn't realize they had been infected or refused life-saving shots.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a report on three of the deaths, all stemming from contact with bats. CDC officials said the deaths were tragic and could have been prevented.

One, an 80-year-old Illinois man, refused to take life-saving shots because of a longstanding fear of vaccines. An Idaho man and a Texas boy did not get shots because of a belief that no bat bite or scratch broke their skin.

In all three cases, people "either trivialized the exposure (to bats) or they didn't recognize the severity of rabies," said Ryan Wallace, a CDC rabies expert who co-authored the report.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-recorded-highest-number-rabies-deaths-decade-last-year-rcna11304




maybe I should have posted under Darwin Award...
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 09, 2022, 10:33:13 AM
I though y'all might like this rant that I ran across today

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 18, 2022, 16:04:11 PM
Symptoms of the New Variant May Include


Dry cough

Wet cough

The perfect cough—not too dry, not too wet

No cough

Any symptoms you typically have when you are dehydrated, are on your period, didn't get a perfect night's sleep, or are more than thirty years old

Sore throat

Throat that is not sore, just a little disappointed

Scratchy throat, but the kind that's sexy

Hunger and/or loss of appetite

Watery eyes and you haven't recently listened to the original Broadway-cast recording of "Sunday in the Park with George"

Clear eyes, coupled with a full heart and inability to lose

Feeling generally pretty good!

Tiredness (due to thinking about covid-19)

Anxiety (about catching covid-19)

Exhaustion (from panicking about covid-19)

Foot asleep

When you rub your eyes and it just makes them feel scratchier, but you simply cannot stop rubbing

Inflamed ego

The feeling that your body just misses her touch—that's all

Sweating the small stuff

Sweaty palms, weak knees, heavy arms, nervous—but on the surface calm and ready

Instagram ads are all for covid-19

Insomnia

"Insomnia" (2002, Christopher Nolan)

The feeling that you've just gotta dance!

Sneezing and no one nearby saying "bless you"

Excessive and/or painful winking

Child recently wrote "covid-19" on the mirror backward

Death

Other flu-like symptoms


https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/symptoms-of-the-new-variant-may-include
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: trout-r-us on January 18, 2022, 18:46:16 PM

Free at home testing.

https://www.covidtests.gov/
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on January 18, 2022, 18:46:33 PM
Order your 4 free at home tests.
usps.com/covidtest (http://usps.com/covidtest)

Took about one minute.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dee-Vo on January 19, 2022, 11:18:47 AM
Just got out of quarantine. Wife had the virus for the second time last week.

First time, she was hospitalized.

This time was comparable to a common cold.

Hopefully the vaccine is making it much more manageable. Seems to be in our case.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on January 20, 2022, 19:38:32 PM
Lots of ripping and tearing taking place in the construction industry, suppliers, contractor staffers and subcontractors. 50% of the workforce is down in my world.

Thanks to covid, we have the means to completely enslave ourselves.  Now we must continue to work remotely when it snows,  when we're dehydrated, vomiting, running a fever. No freedom, no rest.  The dirt nap looks seems like a dream, a paradise.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dee-Vo on January 21, 2022, 08:52:11 AM
It's a real pain in the ass for work. I have orders that are slated to arrive 14-16 MONTHS after my customers place them. Employment for production/delivery/service/repair is a nightmare when a group is being quarantined -- and when they're not being quarantined, people are too sorry to work in the first place.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on January 21, 2022, 18:33:44 PM
More big numbers today, hospital are close to full again. b'; I heard today the booster is 90% effective in keeping you out of the hospital from covid :laugh: So what do all the people in the hospital have? Anybody wanna buy some test kits?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Yallerhammer on January 21, 2022, 19:31:19 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on January 21, 2022, 18:33:44 PMMore big numbers today, hospital are close to full again. b'; I heard today the booster is 90% effective in keeping you out of the hospital from covid :laugh: So what do all the people in the hospital have? Anybody wanna buy some test kits?
If I had as many shots sticking out of me as I've had sticking in me, I'd look like a fucking porkypine.
Here's my question:
Shots are effective at stopping the spread of the virus?  You can't fly internationally without a covid shot or negative test. New variant pops up in a village in Zimbabwe tomorrow. Next week, it's going gangbusters all over the world? The shot doesn't work at stopping the spread of the virus. It probably helps with lessening the symptoms if you get it. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 22, 2022, 23:15:22 PM
BUM DEAL China brings back anal swab testing for Covid in world's most brutal lockdown two weeks before Winter Olympics begin

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4512129/china-anal-swabs-covid-mandatory-winter-olympics/

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on January 23, 2022, 08:41:08 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on January 22, 2022, 23:15:22 PMBUM DEAL China brings back anal swab testing for Covid in world's most brutal lockdown two weeks before Winter Olympics begin

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4512129/china-anal-swabs-covid-mandatory-winter-olympics/

:o
That'll help the pole vault competition, maybe
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 23, 2022, 13:53:26 PM
Park City Utah School System
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This chart shows this difference in transmutability of the omacron strain...

 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 26, 2022, 10:44:27 AM
Regardless of how you feel about this pandemic, masks, vaccines, distancing, and the ensuing shit show, this bug is freaking amazing.

I wish I had paid attention in the 70s in that microbiology class, then I might understand some of this science.

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2022/01/26/whats-known-about-stealth-version-of-omicron/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/stealth-meaning-explained-as-stealth-omicron-ba2-variant-found-in-26-states/ar-AAT9zkl?ocid=uxbndlbing
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 26, 2022, 11:19:33 AM
https://youtu.be/Z0GFRcFm-aY
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on February 04, 2022, 06:20:39 AM
Meta execs are brilliant.  Blow some air on that fire.

QuoteA Facebook group organizing the U.S. convoy that had amassed 130,000 members has been tossed off the social media platform amid allegations that the movement was being promoted by right-wing extremists, which the organizers deny.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/592647-us-trucker-convoy-coming-joe-biden-will-ignore-protests-at-his-peril?rl=1

While we fight over the definition of freedom, China is appears to be developing proficiency managing life during a biological warfare event.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 04, 2022, 17:05:01 PM
Quote from: Onslow on February 04, 2022, 06:20:39 AMMeta execs are brilliant.  Blow some air on that fire.

QuoteA Facebook group organizing the U.S. convoy that had amassed 130,000 members has been tossed off the social media platform amid allegations that the movement was being promoted by right-wing extremists, which the organizers deny.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/592647-us-trucker-convoy-coming-joe-biden-will-ignore-protests-at-his-peril?rl=1

While we fight over the definition of freedom, China is appears to be developing proficiency managing life during a biological warfare event.

https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oakv2?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20220204&instance_id=52126&nl=the-morning&productCode=NN&regi_id=36846785&segment_id=81611&te=1&uri=nyt%3A%2F%2Fnewsletter%2Fc8158fca-e260-524b-b1ae-70abb57f2541

If China didn't take drastic measures and were like us in the USA they would have something in to order of 4 MILLION DEATHS




Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 12, 2022, 11:22:45 AM
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 13, 2022, 06:55:47 AM
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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 13, 2022, 08:48:15 AM
double vaccinated boosted friend with limited exposure just got it -- shit is here to stay and we will all be at risk of getting it.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: driver on March 13, 2022, 16:39:56 PM
I had it a few weeks ago. Went and fished the Smith, wasn't feel great, came home took a test. Bam! I had a bad cough from drainage, and a mild fever. Took about 7 days to notice a difference in how I felt. I'm vaccinated and boosted. My daughter, (who brought it home from school) barely had any symptoms and test positive. My wife came down with very mild symptoms a week later.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 13, 2022, 19:51:38 PM
If Hong Kong is any indicator, China probably does not have the capacity to treat a million patients at once, or even a fraction of that number. Looks like all hell is about to break loose.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on March 14, 2022, 08:42:22 AM
Apple supplier Foxconn halts operations in Shenzhen as China locks down tech hub

Hong Kong (CNN Business)Foxconn, one of Apple's biggest suppliers, has suspended operations in Shenzhen as China locks down the technology hub and several other regions to contain the country's worst Covid-19 outbreak in two years.

The world's second largest economy is still doggedly pursuing its zero-Covid strategy, even as other nations reopen and try to live with the virus. The lockdowns in major Chinese cities will impact not just the country's post-pandemic recovery, but could deliver a new blow to global supply chains.
The southern city of Shenzhen, which borders Hong Kong, is home to Chinese tech giants like Tencent (TCEHY) and Huawei. It imposed a week-long lockdown starting Monday, after recording 66 positive cases Saturday.
In its statement provided to CNN Business on Monday, Foxconn said that the "date of factory resumption is to be advised by the local government."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/tech/shenzhen-lockdown-foxconn-operations-intl-hnk/index.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on March 14, 2022, 19:43:26 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on March 13, 2022, 08:48:15 AMdouble vaccinated boosted friend with limited exposure just got it -- shit is here to stay and we will all be at risk of getting it.

Obama even got the China flu. Probably taking Ivermectin and Hydroxycholrquine <-;:  :laugh:   https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/13/politics/barack-obama-covid-positive/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/13/politics/barack-obama-covid-positive/index.html)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 15, 2022, 08:47:32 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on March 14, 2022, 19:43:26 PMObama even got the China flu. Probably taking Ivermectin and Hydroxycholrquine <-;:  :laugh:  https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/13/politics/barack-obama-covid-positive/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/13/politics/barack-obama-covid-positive/index.html)

The "China flu" is a H5N1 strain of avian influenza.  I don't believe Ivermectin and Hydroxycholrquine has ever been suggested or administered for this flu. 

If, in insecurity and shallowness, you're going to employ rhetoric then use either "Chinese Virus" or "Kung Flu" to identify Covid 19. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on March 15, 2022, 09:10:47 AM
I'm simply following tradition https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/13/17-diseases-named-after-places-or-people/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/13/17-diseases-named-after-places-or-people/):cheers. In this case though you are right, we still don't know where this came from or how it originated. Probably never will because between China and our own government we will never be allowed to know. I'm beginning to think it was developed and weaponized for population control. :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 15, 2022, 10:02:07 AM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on March 15, 2022, 09:10:47 AMI'm simply following tradition https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/13/17-diseases-named-after-places-or-people/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/13/17-diseases-named-after-places-or-people/):cheers. In this case though you are right, we still don't know where this came from or how it originated. Probably never will because between China and our own government we will never be allowed to know. I'm beginning to think it was developed and weaponized for population control. :o

You might have missed the point.  "China flu", in the hierarchy of nomenclature, has precedence as H5N1.  So, Covid should be called something else.

It is like assigning a common angling name, already in use, to another mayfly, or using a common established name of a fly pattern to label an entirely new creation from the bench. 

Confusion ensues, even when we attempt to use some puerile, sophomoric, tribal, verbal/textual secret handshake.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on March 15, 2022, 10:42:53 AM
Got it, thanks :cheers I really think I like Kung Fu Flu the best. I had to look up puerile, I'll have to remember that one. 'c;
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: hcrum87hc on March 15, 2022, 13:03:30 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 15, 2022, 08:47:32 AMIf, in insecurity and shallowness, you're going to employ rhetoric then use either "Chinese Virus" or "Kung Flu" to identify Covid 19. 


I motion that henceforth, Covid 19 should only be referred to as "Kung Flu" on BRFFF.  All those in favor?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on March 15, 2022, 18:07:14 PM
Quote from: trout-r-us on March 15, 2022, 14:51:12 PMThe Federalist, really? 🤣🤣🤣

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist/

For federalist readers that may be interested in something with a bit more fact based reporting, here's something more worthwhile.

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I loved Mad magazine when I was a kid. I got caught with one and a Playboy at school when I was about 12. My mother was madder about the Mad magazine than she was about the Playboy.  Sorry, I didn't get the approved list of sources. Come on man, I just do a search and the first thing that comes up that has the information I'm looking for  I'll copy and paste it. Did you see some information in the link that wasn't accurate?  :cheers  :laugh:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on March 15, 2022, 19:07:49 PM
Federalist, CNN, and PMSNBC have much in common.  All are sullen and whiney tribal cunts.

I'd rather read Al Jazeera, or CNA out of Singapore. It is best to remove the blinders, explore other perspectives, and accept reality as it is.  No Trump or trannies mentioned in this AJ article.

QuoteThe Global South is divided over who bears the responsibility for the Ukraine tragedy in the Global North. Many blame Russia for its imperial overreach and attempts at subjugating Kyiv, others fault the United States and European allies for provoking Russia through the offensive expansion of NATO eastwards and the arming of Ukraine.

But if the historical record is anything to go by, neither power is innocent; both are to blame, albeit to varying degrees. Both have sacrificed Ukraine at the altar of a new Cold War.

Yet, Moscow and Washington continue to polarise and paralyse much of the international community three decades after the end of their Cold War; a war that proved devious and devastating to the developing world.

Indeed, ever since they took over from the diminished powers of old Europe, Washington and Moscow have been using the same British and French playbooks, waging imperial wars; covert wars, proxy wars, air wars, as well as information wars, cyberwars, and every other kind of war, including the threat of a nuclear war.


Yet sadly, Washington's detractors have been quick to justify Russian violence by referring to America's horrible wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc and its persistent support for Israel's wars and occupation in the Middle East. And Moscow's detractors have readily excused American overreach by pointing to Moscow's bloody wars in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Georgia, Syria and so on.

But how is the bombing of Kharkiv and Aleppo any different from the bombing of say, Baghdad or Hanoi? And how are these hegemonic overreaches truly different from other 19th and 20th century imperial Russian, European and American wars, coups, invasions and occupations?

In truth, the "civilised North" has long been especially violent; inward as well as outward; the more "civilised" the more violent, even though violence is the opposite of civility.

The Global North has been marred in religious, nationalist and ideological wars for centuries, some lasting decades, others refought a second and a third time, culminating in two horrendous World Wars.


In addition to all the bloodshed and the mass slaughter of hundreds of millions of their own, they also managed to wage their private colonial wars, killing countless millions more in the south, while sadistically assaulting ancient civilisations, whether Indian, Chinese, Muslim or other.

And it was not only the great imperial powers of the time that caused all the horror and terror. The smaller colonial powers like the Belgian, Dutch and Portuguese were just as brutal and at times more savage. Even those who lost the European wars were adamant to take it out on their southern colonies in the hope of restoring their lost potency.

As the late American scholar Samuel Huntington made abundantly clear in his book, The Clash of Civilizations: "The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion ... but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do."

Well, I am afraid many have forgotten. And even those with long memories, seem to be short on history when history is indispensable for understanding political processes and patterns and providing much-needed contexts and perspectives for present-day geopolitical events.


Ignorance, like racism, knows no borders and is limited to no professions, including in today's influential media outlets, where for some history begins yesterday or at the last paycheque. But again, the real danger lies among those who know better but choose to be smug, condescending racists, because racism and war are forces that give them meaning.

Many of these are all too familiar and generally embrace the racism in Rudyard Kipling's infamous poem, The White Man's Burden, where the British imperialist urges America to fulfil its "civilisation mission" by assuming its colonial responsibility in the Philippines at the turn of the 20th century.

But they choose to ignore Mark Twain's sharp response, debunking Kipling's claims in To the Person Sitting in Darkness. According to the inimitable and widely celebrated American author: "We have been treacherous; ... we have crushed a deceived and confiding people; we have turned against the weak and the friendless who trusted us; ... we have robbed a trusting friend of his land and his liberty."

Etcetera, etcetera; not exactly a civilisational mission, is it?


Like the Americans, the British, French, and Russians have also mastered the imperial enterprise, albeit not as judiciously. Indeed, Twain's takedown of imperial Russia was no less damning at the time, as he described how "she robs Japan of her hard-earned spoil, all swimming in Chinese blood ... then she seizes Manchuria, raids its villages, and chokes its great river with the swollen corpses of countless massacred peasants ..."

And here we are a century later, witnessing these imperial powers projecting their power and violence again and again over the past two decades. But these are not repeats along the lines of "first time a tragedy, second time a farce"; these have been tragic through and through.

The joke is on the rest of us "sitting in the darkness", hoping again and again for benevolence to come out of the repeated violence, when no good comes out of malice, "theirs" or "ours".

To be sure, violence may be the nature, knowing no race, religion or nationality, but mass organised violence has been nurtured more by some than others.


It is time to stop this insanity of doing the same but expecting a different result. It is high time to put an end to the silly "whataboutism" that has characterised much of the response of the Global South to these transgressions, bearing in mind that the "Global South" has of late become as metaphoric as it is geographic.

Nothing good will come out of the Ukrainian tragedy, just as nothing good came out of the Iraqi, Afghan, Syrian, Vietnamese, Philippine, Hungarian, Chinese, Indian, Algerian, Congolese, Chilean and countless other imperial transgressions. Neither for the victims, nor for the perpetrators, nor for the rest of us "sitting in darkness".

It is time to look up and see the light.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on March 16, 2022, 08:13:45 AM
Quote from: Onslow on March 15, 2022, 19:07:49 PMFederalist, CNN, and PMSNBC have much in common.  All are sullen and whiney tribal cunts.

I'd rather read Al Jazeera, or CNA out of Singapore. It is best to remove the blinders, explore other perspectives, and accept reality as it is.  No Trump or trannies mentioned in this AJ article.

There's plenty of "Trump or trannies" to go around in AJ and CNA.  Selective reading and analysis will not serve us well.

On an inquisitive note, you often mention trannies or gender bending in some of your posts.  Do you perhaps feel these are unnatural? 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/3/trump-may-have-engaged-in-criminal-conspiracy-capitol-panel

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/19/us-national-archives-trump-classified-items-mar-a-lago

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/2/usa-swimming-unveils-new-rules-for-transgender-athletes

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/7/some-transgender-youth-treatments-banned-in-arkansas

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/trump-social-media-truth-social-alternate-right-twitter-2514386

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/man-blackmail-woman-transsexual-jail-caning-locanto-1322901


Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 18, 2022, 13:33:00 PM
China has implemented tighter COVID-19 measures as Shanghai faced an outbreak that prompted mass lockdowns in the city for weeks.

The measures prompted residents to clash with police officers on April 14 as they couldn't go home due to authorities co-opting their buildings to use as COVID-19 quarantine sites.

Some residents in Xian, a city southwest of Beijing, have been encouraged to live at their workplaces, Sky News reported. The directive comes amid orders to avoid unnecessary trips. Those with asymptomatic or very mild symptoms must go to quarantine facilities.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chinese-employees-are-being-urged-to-live-at-their-workplaces-as-the-country-pursues-a-zero-covid-policy-reports-say/ar-AAWkqSu?ocid=BingNewsSearch
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Dougfish on April 18, 2022, 14:40:00 PM
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1516073127427645441?t=2uYC9qtPZi0tvW0p1vFwOw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1516073127427645441?t=2uYC9qtPZi0tvW0p1vFwOw&s=19)

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on April 18, 2022, 17:15:27 PM
Quote from: Dougfish on April 18, 2022, 14:40:00 PMhttps://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1516073127427645441?t=2uYC9qtPZi0tvW0p1vFwOw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1516073127427645441?t=2uYC9qtPZi0tvW0p1vFwOw&s=19)

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Nice try twitter. I don't know what I'm looking at with that little logistics map. Joe might not have been the sole cause, be he sure made a bunch of dumb moves that he's now having to reverse. I guess he doesn't' have anything to do with the current crime wave in the US, or the over running of the southern border (221,303 in March). I want everyone to quit making excuses for Joe, just get to work and help the US overcome this. I just saw where we reopened new bids for oil and gas on federal lands today. To bad it could be years before the first drop is ever refined from any of these sales.
https://news.yahoo.com/u-resume-oil-gas-drilling-225302772.html (https://news.yahoo.com/u-resume-oil-gas-drilling-225302772.html)

Japan has always lacked natural resources especially oil. The cutting off of Japan's supply of oil was a big factor in WWII. Pearl Harbor wasn't some out of the blue random attack.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on April 19, 2022, 05:18:47 AM
The stage was set for inflation early in the Trump years.  The labor deficits and Trump's determination to juice the economy was the seed.  It is unproductive to scapegoat either Trump or Biden.  It is important to identify specific policies, attitudes, societal problems that contribute to the mess.

I'm of the opinion Jerome Powell's, Paul Krugman's, Robert Reich's famed expertise in the field of economics is shit.  Krugman's track record is one of complete ineptitude. Biden is also clueless, and Trump is obviously a raging maniac. Learn how the free market really works, stupid.

The bottom line is this.  People who make things, grow things, produce energy sustainably, make the workplace more efficient are those who create wealth. Paper investment dividends, stimulus, quantitative easing all contribute to inflation. There are not enough makers/workers/natural resources.  The world also needs less instaspam/twatter/fagbook. End of story. There is no point in debating this.  There is nothing to debate.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on April 19, 2022, 08:02:44 AM
Quote from: Onslow on April 19, 2022, 05:18:47 AMThe stage was set for inflation early in the Trump years.  The labor deficits and Trump's determination to juice the economy was the seed.  It is unproductive to scapegoat either Trump or Biden.  It is important to identify specific policies, attitudes, societal problems that contribute to the mess.

I'm of the opinion Jerome Powell's, Paul Krugman's, Robert Reich's famed expertise in the field of economics is shit.  Krugman's track record is one of complete ineptitude. Biden is also clueless, and Trump is obviously a raging maniac. Learn how the free market really works, stupid.

The bottom line is this.  People who make things, grow things, produce energy sustainably, make the workplace more efficient are those who create wealth. Paper investment dividends, stimulus, quantitative easing all contribute to inflation. There are not enough makers/workers/natural resources.  The world also needs less instaspam/twatter/fagbook. End of story. There is no point in debating this.  There is nothing to debate.

Onslow spitting truth.  I always said Trump started the inflation, especially in 2020 when he was trying to jump start the covid economic stall.  The stimulus packages had so much waste in it and so many people handed the stimulus money that did not need it.  The funds could of been better used to target the working class negatively impacted the most from the shutdowns.  That said, Biden definitely is expediting the rise of inflation from where Trump left off.  I've really grown cynical in my political views to where I think every politician is a sack of human excrement and nobody has a grain of common sense any more. I just need to fish more.   
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Native Fisher on April 19, 2022, 08:20:40 AM
Quote from: Big J on April 19, 2022, 08:02:44 AMI've really grown cynical in my political views to where I think every politician is a sack of human excrement and nobody has a grain of common sense any more. I just need to fish more.   

I been there for 15-20 years.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 19, 2022, 08:55:18 AM
WHY THE PAST 10 YEARS OF AMERICAN LIFE HAVE BEEN UNIQUELY STUPID
It's not just a phase.

What would it have been like to live in Babel in the days after its destruction? In the Book of Genesis, we are told that the descendants of Noah built a great city in the land of Shinar. They built a tower "with its top in the heavens" to "make a name" for themselves. God was offended by the hubris of humanity and said:

Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Come, let us go down, and confuse their language there, so that they will not understand one another's speech.
The text does not say that God destroyed the tower, but in many popular renderings of the story he does, so let's hold that dramatic image in our minds: people wandering amid the ruins, unable to communicate, condemned to mutual incomprehension.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/?fbclid=IwAR08Qgke5cZ9TUolLNOJGZRnKITbrDcI5NETqM30JZcIF2ohbXGXnBjooN0


Take the time to Read or listen to this!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on April 19, 2022, 09:38:40 AM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on April 19, 2022, 08:55:18 AMWHY THE PAST 10 YEARS OF AMERICAN LIFE HAVE BEEN UNIQUELY STUPID
It's not just a phase.

What would it have been like to live in Babel in the days after its destruction? In the Book of Genesis, we are told that the descendants of Noah built a great city in the land of Shinar. They built a tower "with its top in the heavens" to "make a name" for themselves. God was offended by the hubris of humanity and said:

Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Come, let us go down, and confuse their language there, so that they will not understand one another's speech.
The text does not say that God destroyed the tower, but in many popular renderings of the story he does, so let's hold that dramatic image in our minds: people wandering amid the ruins, unable to communicate, condemned to mutual incomprehension.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/?fbclid=IwAR08Qgke5cZ9TUolLNOJGZRnKITbrDcI5NETqM30JZcIF2ohbXGXnBjooN0


Take the time to Read or listen to this!


Thumbs up!  I am saving this puppy, rereading over and over, and attempting to digest.  This link is worth it!  Many thanks Boss!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on April 19, 2022, 11:09:54 AM
I haven't read entire article but what I have had time to read makes a lot of sense. I know way too Many people who think Facebook is a legitimate news source and spout that shit off continuously.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on April 19, 2022, 15:37:16 PM
Quote from: Native Fisher on April 19, 2022, 08:20:40 AM
Quote from: Big J on April 19, 2022, 08:02:44 AMI've really grown cynical in my political views to where I think every politician is a sack of human excrement and nobody has a grain of common sense any more. I just need to fish more.   

I been there for 15-20 years.

I've been there since the early 70's. Everybody points fingers, blames someone else, makes promises, and no one does anything b'; There are brilliant people among us, very capable leaders, and look at who rules us. Not represents us, but who rules us. I no longer think we actually have any input into how even our local governments are run let alone Washington.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on April 25, 2022, 08:03:09 AM
Beijing kicks off mass testing after spike in Covid cases

The Chinese capital Beijing has kicked off mass testing for millions of residents after a spike in Covid cases.

The Chaoyang district reported 26 cases over the weekend - the highest number so far in Beijing's latest surge.

Long queues outside supermarkets and shops were seen despite government assurances there is sufficient food.

It comes amid fears that Beijing could face a similar situation to Shanghai, which has seen some 25 million people shut in their homes for weeks.

All 3.5 million residents in Chaoyang, Beijing's most populous district, will undergo three rounds of mass testing, according to a notice by the city's disease prevention team.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-61212757

The latest outbreak in Shanghai, first detected in late March, has seen more than 400,000 cases recorded so far and 138 deaths.

Some of the measures Chinese authorities have enforced include placing electronic door alarms to prevent those infected from leaving and forcibly evacuating people from their homes to carry out disinfection procedures.

Some in locked-down areas of Shanghai say they have been struggling to access food supplies, and forced to wait for government drop-offs of vegetables, meat and eggs.

Green barricades have also been erected overnight in parts of Shanghai without prior warning, effectively preventing residents from leaving their homes.

Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on April 25, 2022, 19:21:55 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on April 25, 2022, 08:03:09 AMBeijing kicks off mass testing after spike in Covid cases

The Chinese capital Beijing has kicked off mass testing for millions of residents after a spike in Covid cases.

The Chaoyang district reported 26 cases over the weekend - the highest number so far in Beijing's latest surge.

Long queues outside supermarkets and shops were seen despite government assurances there is sufficient food.

It comes amid fears that Beijing could face a similar situation to Shanghai, which has seen some 25 million people shut in their homes for weeks.

All 3.5 million residents in Chaoyang, Beijing's most populous district, will undergo three rounds of mass testing, according to a notice by the city's disease prevention team.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-61212757

The latest outbreak in Shanghai, first detected in late March, has seen more than 400,000 cases recorded so far and 138 deaths.

Some of the measures Chinese authorities have enforced include placing electronic door alarms to prevent those infected from leaving and forcibly evacuating people from their homes to carry out disinfection procedures.

Some in locked-down areas of Shanghai say they have been struggling to access food supplies, and forced to wait for government drop-offs of vegetables, meat and eggs.

Green barricades have also been erected overnight in parts of Shanghai without prior warning, effectively preventing residents from leaving their homes.



They aren't playing, you better stay your ass home if you're sick. 138 deaths out of 4000000 cases was an interesting statistic.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on June 24, 2022, 08:20:06 AM
BA.4 and BA.5.  So this subvariant blows through all forms of immunity.  This is a problem.

So now is it theoretically possible to contract Covid once a month since antibodies no longer provide protection? 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: trout-r-us on June 24, 2022, 16:57:07 PM
I'm afraid most of us will never see it end. 🙁

Then again I heard that it was "herd developed", so who really knows?

https://youtu.be/6i-HOpqy0Ns
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on June 25, 2022, 07:16:03 AM
Well it ain't over. 3 out of 4 in my household succumbed for the first time last week, and heck, it isn't a high risk time of year. 
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: trout-r-us on June 25, 2022, 11:05:57 AM
Quote from: Onslow on June 25, 2022, 07:16:03 AMWell it ain't over. 3 out of 4 in my household succumbed for the first time last week, and heck, it isn't a high risk time of year. 

Sorry to hear. Hope they're not too sick.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on June 25, 2022, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: trout-r-us on June 25, 2022, 11:05:57 AM
Quote from: Onslow on June 25, 2022, 07:16:03 AMWell it ain't over. 3 out of 4 in my household succumbed for the first time last week, and heck, it isn't a high risk time of year. 

Sorry to hear. Hope they're not too sick.

Thanks

I've been fearing the results of my MIL contracting it. She is 89 with asthma, but she pulled through.  A death sentence was anticipated.

We've been very cautious.  I've been to the movies maybe twice and church twice since the pandemic started. There was never a "return to normal".
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on June 27, 2022, 03:26:39 AM
Still no idea of the cause and origin of the virus. I predict cases will rise the closer we get to Nov 22's election.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on June 27, 2022, 11:32:26 AM
My 10 month old grandson just tested positive. Was up last night with stomach issues. Went to pediatrician and it's Covid.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on June 27, 2022, 12:50:29 PM
Sorry to hear that Greg. This shit is here to stay — what ever happened to that "universal" Covid vaccine that the army was developing — I've not read anything about that in a while
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on June 27, 2022, 14:52:46 PM
My wife's family doesn't learn -- they are accustomed to flying around the country for family celebrations. This the second time they have gathered and all come down with covid, and they are vaxed and boosted. My wife and I have refused to go to both parties and have stayed covid free.
As far as I'm concerned the days of carefree airline travel are over. If the cancellations don't get ya, the covid will.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on June 27, 2022, 16:54:28 PM
I'm flying twice this summer. I think I will get second booster this week. Plan to wear a mask. Sister-in-law got Covid and pretty sure she got in plane. She was not masked and said no one else was. Every time I think this shirt is about done it comes raring back. Pediatrician says grandson will have a rough few days but should get better pretty soon. Said the he hasn't had any little ones to have any big problems yet.
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Post by: Phil on June 27, 2022, 17:05:06 PM
I'm not going to fly anywhere, mask or no. If it's not within 2 days driving distance, I ain't gonna go.
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Post by: Woolly Bugger on July 18, 2022, 09:01:30 AM
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Post by: Trout Maharishi on July 18, 2022, 11:22:48 AM
Same here. I did everything they told me to do and I still caught it. I'm not taking any more shots unless something chages. I'm not wearing a mask unless someone makes me, like my MD or dentist. If it's a just a restaurant or somewhere I shop, I'll just go somewhere else. I'm not going anywhere with some big crowd and I'll continue to wash my hands, but that's it! I do miss going to the strip club, they had a nice free pizza buffet on the weekday afternoons
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Post by: streamereater_101691 on July 18, 2022, 12:40:34 PM
Quote from: Phil on June 27, 2022, 17:05:06 PMI'm not going to fly anywhere, mask or no. If it's not within 2 days driving distance, I ain't gonna go.

I went to CO with 4 other dudes. They didn't mask on the plane. They all got covid. I wore mine and dodged it. Something fishy though because 2 of them tested positive with zero symptoms.
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Post by: Dougfish on July 18, 2022, 13:42:12 PM
Still KN95ing in all stores, airports, planes. It's second nature now.  :Dance
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Post by: Woolly Bugger on July 18, 2022, 14:51:39 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on July 18, 2022, 11:22:48 AMI do miss going to the strip club

Don't you have a Topless Car Wash, like we doin Greensboro?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on July 18, 2022, 16:10:46 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on July 18, 2022, 14:51:39 PM
Quote from: Trout Maharishi on July 18, 2022, 11:22:48 AMI do miss going to the strip club

Don't you have a Topless Car Wash, like we doin Greensboro?
:laugh: We don't have that kinda stuff in Blowing Rock.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on July 18, 2022, 16:58:46 PM
My son works in hospital in morganton he said  d numbers were way up. He said most of his patients with Covid were not in hospital for Covid but tested  positive. Said  a lot of them had no Covid symptoms.
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Post by: Trout Maharishi on July 18, 2022, 17:09:11 PM
Quote from: greg on July 18, 2022, 16:58:46 PMMy son works in hospital in morganton he said  d numbers were way up. He said most of his patients with Covid were not in hospital for Covid but tested  positive. Said  a lot of them had no Covid symptoms.

I've had worse hangovers than when I had it. The only reason I even got tested was because my wife tested positive.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Rhody on July 20, 2022, 10:39:50 AM
Came back from my last trip with it, pretty sure it came from the plane ride. Our flights got all snafued and on one of our new flights, my buddy was 2 seats in front on the good bulkhead row. About 15 mins into flight, he turned around and said, you've got long legs, I'll switch seats with you. We switched. The other 5 folks were in back of plane, not close to us. The guy I switched with and I both got Covid,  no one else did.
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Post by: Onslow on July 21, 2022, 07:50:22 AM
Yeah, I know a fam that flew to Costa Rica a month ago.  The mother is an uber masker, but they contracted covid while on  vacation.  They were highly motivated to go home since the trip down was an unbelievable disaster in terms of flight issues, and three members rode on the plane knowingly hot with it. I'm pretty sure this happens all the time.
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Post by: Trout Maharishi on July 21, 2022, 18:37:11 PM
Just when I didn't think it could get any worse when he announced he had cancer from the oil rain in Delaware I hear today uncle Joe has the covid. How can that be? They keep him locked up as tight as Ft Knox. I don't think you can stop it.
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on July 31, 2022, 15:53:41 PM
Returned from a brief vacation on Friday.  Played golf with some Republicans.  I tested positive this morning.  Feel like a blivet, but still kicking. Paying for my hypocrisy. 
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Post by: greg on July 31, 2022, 16:09:26 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on July 31, 2022, 15:53:41 PMReturned from a brief vacation on Friday.  Played golf with some Republicans.  I tested positive this morning.  Feel like a blivet, but still kicking. Paying for my hypocrisy. 
hoping for the best for you.
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Post by: Trout Maharishi on July 31, 2022, 20:09:04 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on July 31, 2022, 15:53:41 PMReturned from a brief vacation on Friday.  Played golf with some Republicans.  I tested positive this morning.  Feel like a blivet, but still kicking. Paying for my hypocrisy. 

Hope you recover quick, it could be worse, you could have played with a couple of democrats and gotten monkey pox :drum  :cheers  n!n
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on August 01, 2022, 12:47:58 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on July 31, 2022, 15:53:41 PMReturned from a brief vacation on Friday.  Played golf with some Republicans.  I tested positive this morning.  Feel like a blivet, but still kicking. Paying for my hypocrisy. 

That is so out of character to yourself! Serves you right! I cannot believe you join the dark side.  I mean golf? Seriously?  Hopefully you will develop a carrot/stick motivation towards your horrendous actions of divulging in tiny white ball chasing.

Get better soon!
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Phil on August 01, 2022, 13:36:40 PM
Get better soon, Muddy!
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Post by: greg on August 08, 2022, 13:52:32 PM
Anyone hear had mudwall is doing?
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Post by: greg on August 08, 2022, 13:54:12 PM
Daughter-in-law tested positive today. Priest sent out email that he tested positive today as well. I took communion from him yesterday. Oh well.
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Post by: Big J on August 08, 2022, 15:38:08 PM
Quote from: greg on August 08, 2022, 13:52:32 PMAnyone hear had mudwall is doing?

Talked with him today.  He's recovered except for a lingering headache and a cough.  He told me that that will be the last time he goes to the Mar-a-Lago Club and plays golf there.
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Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 08, 2022, 16:07:56 PM
Quote from: Big J on August 08, 2022, 15:38:08 PM
Quote from: greg on August 08, 2022, 13:52:32 PMAnyone hear had mudwall is doing?

Talked with him today.  He's recovered except for a lingering headache and a cough.  He told me that that will be the last time he goes to the Mar-a-Lago Club and plays golf there.

Yup, just talked with Big J.  He wanted to play golf this weekend.

I am doing ok.  Family doing ok.  More concerned about the grandboy than anyone, but he is doing great.  He recently, only yesterday, discovered Herman the Worm.  Now the earworm is stuck in everyone's head.

Don't listen or you'll also be intoxicated.

Thanks for asking.

http://youtu.be/0-rg7EIt1x4
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 08, 2022, 16:16:03 PM
He said the one side effect he was the most worried about was developing micro penis. :drum  <-;:
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on August 09, 2022, 08:34:01 AM
Speaking of Mar-a-Lago.......  :o
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 14, 2022, 17:47:22 PM
Hard to stay away from it, friend just came down with her second case in 3 months — fully vacced and boosted
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Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2022, 19:07:58 PM
 It's like common colds and other URIs. We are going to get them over and over. I still need to go get my last pneumonia jab.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on August 14, 2022, 21:34:05 PM
My son, daughter-in-law and grandson are all getting over it now. They started early last week. So far they have done pretty good.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on August 14, 2022, 22:40:18 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on August 14, 2022, 17:47:22 PMHard to stay away from it, friend just came down with her second case in 3 months — fully vacced and boosted


Is that stopping your extra circular activities with her?
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Trout Maharishi on February 24, 2023, 01:11:59 AM
 Well I guess that was a waste of time b'; https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/opinion/do-mask-mandates-work.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/opinion/do-mask-mandates-work.html)
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Post by: trout-r-us on March 17, 2023, 08:43:30 AM
"The new evidence is sure to provide a jolt to the debate over the pandemic's origins, even if it does not resolve the question of how it began."

"genetic data from the market offers some of the most tangible evidence yet of how the virus could have spilled into people from wild animals outside a lab. It also suggests that Chinese scientists have given an incomplete account of evidence that could fill in details about how the virus was spreading at the Huanan market."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/data-links-pandemic-origins-raccoon-113724388.html
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Onslow on May 30, 2023, 10:38:42 AM
Since contracting the covid virus, has anyone experienced very unusual issues such as burning and inflamed hand palms, swollen/burning tongue?  Just askin.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 10, 2024, 20:25:22 PM
I thought I was somehow never going the catch it, thought that perhaps it was just the flu, but the test said otherwise, my Dr was amazed that I hadn't had it before. Taking the Paxlovid
 
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Post by: greg on January 10, 2024, 21:34:44 PM
Damn boss man. Get better soon. My wife made it until this past September. Take care
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Post by: rbphoto on January 11, 2024, 06:57:29 AM
Hope you feel better quickly, Keith.

Raymond
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Post by: Phil on January 11, 2024, 08:05:38 AM
Damn Keith, sorry to hear it. Hope it's a mild case! My son, his wife, and my granddaughter just got it as well.
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Post by: Dougfish on January 11, 2024, 12:35:37 PM
Welcome to the club!  :wave
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Post by: trout-r-us on February 07, 2024, 19:08:15 PM
Got it for the first time this past weekend. First couple days was tough but not bad since Monday. Wife called our Care Team and based on my symptoms they said all I needed was Tylenol.
Thanks to the science guys for the vaccine.👍

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Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on February 07, 2024, 21:02:58 PM
My son called last night to tell us 10 month old just tested positive. So far he has done pretty well.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: trout-r-us on February 08, 2024, 07:23:34 AM
Quote from: greg on February 07, 2024, 21:02:58 PMMy son called last night to tell us 10 month old just tested positive. So far he has done pretty well.

Perhaps the saddest/most helpless feeling in life is seeing children suffer.

Wishing your little one a quick recovery.
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: Big J on February 08, 2024, 09:50:32 AM
Whole family got it over past two weeks.  Everyone is recovered now.  I've yet to get it still.  Doesn't make sense to me, but I'll take it. (knock on wood)
Title: Re: Corona Virus
Post by: greg on February 08, 2024, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: trout-r-us link=msg=181663 date=1707395014thanks. I'm keeping him tomorrow. Hopefully I don't get it. So far he has done really well.
Quote from: greg on February 07, 2024, 21:02:58 PMMy son called last night to tell us 10 month old just tested positive. So far he has done pretty well.

Perhaps the saddest/most helpless feeling in life is seeing children suffer.

Wishing your little one a quick recovery.