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Title: Climate change?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 01, 2019, 13:19:22 PM
Unusual sighting for New Year's Day
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Onslow on January 01, 2019, 13:48:44 PM
My chief concern are the wet Falls.  Unharvested and rotten row crops and orchard fruit are depressing to see.  I used to be able to harvest a fair amount of apples from my trees without spraying for various issues.  Now it is almost utterly hopeless.  Late Fall apples such as the Black Twigs, and the  Arkansas Black are my favorites but are no longer feasible to grow.  Hopefully, the Summer Banana and the Williams Favorite, both early season apples will satisfy my needs.

I'm anxious to see the monthly blog from NCSU.  Hopefully we can all get a gander a couple days from now.
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Al on January 01, 2019, 14:17:34 PM
74 degrees here in Fayetteville right now. Should be 35-40.
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: BRFFF on January 02, 2019, 17:00:16 PM
Back in 09, I fished the SoHo in the snow... wrecks all around and the thermometer in Newland registered 18 degrees


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Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: JMiller on January 03, 2019, 20:40:57 PM
Lol, love what amazon is advertising at the bottom of this thread:

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Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Onslow on January 03, 2019, 21:08:54 PM
Ironically,  the person that is most obsessed with carbon footprint issues I know is a staunch Republican...and gasp Hiner, a devout Methodist.

Should we not be more concerned with the amount of estrogen, antibiotics, prescription drug material found in surface water?  Aforementioned contaminants cannot be removed by municipal water suppliers. 
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Dougfish on January 03, 2019, 22:05:09 PM
Quote from: Onslow on January 03, 2019, 21:08:54 PM
Ironically,  the person that is most obsessed with carbon footprint issues I know is a staunch Republican...and gasp Hiner, a devout Methodist.

Should we not be more concerned with the amount of estrogen, antibiotics, prescription drug material found in surface water?  Aforementioned contaminants cannot be removed by municipal water suppliers.

C: All of the above.
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Yallerhammer on January 04, 2019, 09:53:58 AM
The climate changes continuously.
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Yallerhammer on January 04, 2019, 09:55:34 AM
Quote from: Onslow on January 03, 2019, 21:08:54 PM
Ironically,  the person that is most obsessed with carbon footprint issues I know is a staunch Republican...and gasp Hiner, a devout Methodist.

Should we not be more concerned with the amount of estrogen, antibiotics, prescription drug material found in surface water?  Aforementioned contaminants cannot be removed by municipal water suppliers.
Mercury deposition is even worse.
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Phil on January 04, 2019, 10:11:12 AM
"The calendar year 2018 is now officially the wettest year on record for Boone, Watauga County, and the High Country.
93.42 inches of precipitation was recorded officially for Boone at the Boone 1 SE weather station. That breaks the previous mark of 82.79 inches, recorded in 1979, by 10.63 inches. 76.36 inches in 1949 is now the third overall tally since weather records for Boone started in 1929. The normal precipitation total is 52.66 inches, with the lowest of 39.37 inches in 1943 and 39.38 inches in 1981.
195 days out of 365 recorded precipitation for 2018 at the Boone 1 SE station.
The Foscoe 1.2 WSW station reported 112.70 inches, the Blowing Rock 2.2 NE station reported 111.78 inches."
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 04, 2019, 10:52:53 AM
Quote from: Onslow on January 03, 2019, 21:08:54 PM
Ironically,  the person that is most obsessed with carbon footprint issues I know is a staunch Republican...and gasp Hiner, a devout Methodist.

Sorry, you've selected the wrong credentials to impress me.

Quote from: Onslow on January 03, 2019, 21:08:54 PM
Should we not be more concerned with the amount of estrogen, antibiotics, prescription drug material found in surface water?  Aforementioned contaminants cannot be removed by municipal water suppliers.

Sure, impurities in our waters should demand our attention, BUT I don't believe we should "be more concerned" with these pollutants over other environmental concerns.

   
I think the sooner we all abandon our hubris and "the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe", and take exceptional care of our "Pale Blue Dot", our home, the happier we will be.
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Phil on January 04, 2019, 10:57:48 AM
"I think the sooner we all abandon our hubris and "the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe", and take exceptional care of our "Pale Blue Dot", our home, the happier we will be."

Poor sentence structure aside, I agree.
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 04, 2019, 11:07:34 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on January 04, 2019, 09:53:58 AM
The climate changes continuously.

Yes, climates will change, but only if the factors that influence them fluctuate.   Defining these oscillations and why they ensue is certainly above my station, so I'll believe the consensus of the scientists.   
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Dee-Vo on January 04, 2019, 11:13:32 AM
I think the sooner we all abandon our hubris and "the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe", and take exceptional care of our "Pale Blue Dot", our home, the happier we will be.

Agreed.

Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 04, 2019, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on January 04, 2019, 09:55:34 AM
Quote from: Onslow on January 03, 2019, 21:08:54 PM
Ironically,  the person that is most obsessed with carbon footprint issues I know is a staunch Republican...and gasp Hiner, a devout Methodist.

Should we not be more concerned with the amount of estrogen, antibiotics, prescription drug material found in surface water?  Aforementioned contaminants cannot be removed by municipal water suppliers.
Mercury deposition is even worse.

And the beat goes on!

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/mercury-retrograde-trump-epa-orders-rollback-obama-era-regulations-n952931

But I am encouraged.
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/04/678227272/what-it-looks-like-to-have-a-record-number-of-women-in-the-house-of-representati
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Onslow on January 04, 2019, 21:49:47 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 04, 2019, 10:52:53 AM

I think the sooner we all abandon our hubris and "the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe", and take exceptional care of our "Pale Blue Dot", our home, the happier we will be.


The only real certainty in life on earth is death.  Whether one is pius, frugal, rich, poor, gluttonous, the outcome is the same. Furthermore, if one desires to eat meat, one must kill.  Ain't life on earth grand -0-

This notion that we can save our great human civilization is the great delusion of this time.  Enacting carbon taxes. or implementing Ocasio's Green Deal is akin to fighting a forest fire with a squirt gun.  A global birth tax would make more sense. 

Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 04, 2019, 22:39:48 PM
Quote from: Onslow on January 04, 2019, 21:49:47 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 04, 2019, 10:52:53 AM

I think the sooner we all abandon our hubris and "the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe", and take exceptional care of our "Pale Blue Dot", our home, the happier we will be.


The only real certainty in life on earth is death.  Whether one is pius, frugal, rich, poor, gluttonous, the outcome is the same. Furthermore, if one desires to eat meat, one must kill.  Ain't life on earth grand -0-

This notion that we can save our great human civilization is the great delusion of this time.  Enacting carbon taxes. or implementing Ocasio's Green Deal is akin to fighting a forest fire with a squirt gun.  A global birth tax would make more sense.

Life is grand, but it may be just as magnificent on some other rock in the universe.  I was sure life on the moon was glorious, but it was the 70s and I was stoned in a pasture along the Jackson River and the illumination from the Coleman lantern made the cow pies look like moon craters. 

No need to tax the birthing world --- just give every female walking the earth control over their reproductive potential; overpopulation of bipeds may no longer be a problem.     
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 19, 2019, 07:56:16 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/climate-strike-us-students-to-skip-school-to-fight-climate-change/ar-AAHwPbJ?ocid=spartandhp

Not sure of the potential upshot of this effort, but on the surface, I must admire.  Conceivably some of our youth are contemplating the future of our planet.
 
If I had a kid, likely I'd let him or her skip, AND work on their penmanship, which from my sub teaching days informs me that legible handwriting is a lost skill.  On assignments, I can't even read some of their names!  Piss on keyboarding and the like!!!!  -- another topic for another day
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: troutrus on September 19, 2019, 09:13:42 AM
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Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Onslow on September 19, 2019, 10:15:16 AM


Instead of striking and protesting like a bunch of brats, their time should be planting trees, and developing skill sets that will be needed to address the inevitable results of the sea level rising.  America needs more engineers, and wild men who can weld underwater, or come of with brilliant work-arounds, not a bunch of web brousing kids with hand of a Korean nail painter.

UHI effect, carbon dioxide issues, soil depletion, deforestation are all symptons of too many damn people roaming the earth.  Until the latter is addressed, humans  might as well prepare popcorn, and watch the carnage unfold.
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: troutrus on September 19, 2019, 16:25:40 PM
I believe what we need are more folks that don't accept anything as inevitable.
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Onslow on September 20, 2019, 17:38:52 PM
The trees are credited with preventing $13 billion in property damage in the U.S. each year, that's why the federal government and the insurance industry are partnering to fund mangrove conservation and preservation. And Feller says mangroves also help limit the impact of climate change. The trees trap and bury carbon dioxide in the soil below. It's called blue carbon and mangroves bury more of it than any other type of forest on earth.

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/29/755322980/mangroves-climate-change-and-hurricanes
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: troutrus on September 20, 2019, 18:19:36 PM
Went down to the rally in Greensboro today. Encouraging to see so many young folks participating. 'c;  Surprise guest speaker was well received.
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Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Yallerhammer on September 21, 2019, 09:09:47 AM
What we need is a couple billion less people on the planet, and Bernie Sanders is a goddamn senile fool who thinks Communism is a good idea.
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Woolly Bugger on September 22, 2019, 06:35:13 AM
Quote from: Yallerhammer on September 21, 2019, 09:09:47 AMWhat we need is a couple billion less people on the planet, and Bernie Sanders is a goddamn senile fool who thinks Communism is a good idea.

Too many damn people it's an infestation


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Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Yallerhammer on September 22, 2019, 06:41:19 AM
Almost every problem we have can be directly traced back to overpopulation. I'm not gonna be the first one to volunteer to take one for the team, though. :D
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: troutrus on September 22, 2019, 07:03:31 AM
As we can see here, many of us can identify an issue. I think we need leaders who have the gumption and drive to address and solve tough problems. A big first step is recognizing and admitting there is a problem, and current" leadership" appears incapable.
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Onslow on September 22, 2019, 08:11:30 AM
Quote from: troutrus on September 22, 2019, 07:03:31 AMAs we can see here, many of us can identify an issue. I think we need leaders who have the gumption and drive to address and solve tough problems. A big first step is recognizing and admitting there is a problem, and current" leadership" appears incapable.

Leadership begins at home.  It is part of being an adult/parent.  Waiting for a "leader" is a poor strategy that invites tyranny, and is nothing more than a cop-out.  The problem in America is people are lazy, apathetic, infantile.  We want others to make our garbage we consume, and then dispose of it for us, we want others to grow our food, clean our houses, mow are yards, and to "fix" our environmental issues by protesting.  Frankly, a sizable part of the general population both heere and abroad doesn't deserve a clean environment because they/we are to stupid/sorry/trashy/idiotic to live. 
Title: Re: Climate change?
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on September 22, 2019, 11:07:25 AM
Damn if this ain't an inspirational and encouraging discussion to read on a Sunday morning!

"Waiting for a leader" is certainly a bad idea.  Humans have been waiting for leaders (prophets and gods) for centuries.  Now, locating, accurately appraising, and empowering a breathing leader seems appropriate, but often we miss the mark.  I've missed the mark; you've missed the mark. We need leaders!

Mother Nature will eventually recalibrate and balance our overpopulation challenge. No worries.