Religion, I suppose, has been nixed, but politics remains applicable?
Heck fire it doesn't matter. I'll poke the swarm anyway, because the evolution of political direction intrigues me.
For the love of St. Peter! Now the old farts are jumping ship? - If you believe a pollster from the left.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/are-seniors-souring-on-the-republican-party/278550/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/are-seniors-souring-on-the-republican-party/278550/)
Just goes to show how corrupt Obastard and his group of fuck ups and misfits really is. As long as the fuckwad in office is allowed to run around, completely unchallenged by the media (he owns them), the GOP (heads up their asses and too scared to do a goddamned thing), and the American voter (brainwashed idiots that let lame stream media do their thinking for them) we, the informed will never stand a chance.
You could move to Mexico, Whine Knot.
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on August 15, 2013, 07:53:36 AM
Religion, I suppose, has been nixed, but politics remains applicable?
Heck fire it doesn't matter. I'll poke the swarm anyway, because the evolution of political direction intrigues me.
For the love of St. Peter! Now the old farts are jumping ship? - If you believe a pollster from the left.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/are-seniors-souring-on-the-republican-party/278550/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/are-seniors-souring-on-the-republican-party/278550/)
Being senile must suck. Hope I don't have that side affect when I get senile.
Quote from: RiverbumCO on August 15, 2013, 08:20:30 AM
You could move to Mexico, Whine Knot.
X2..
And, as an almost 64 year old, I'm fed up with all of them. All of them!
But I still have hope that the US voter will begin to think once again and decide that things need to change. Frankly, the kind of comments by Whine Knot just continue an unproductive debate that sounds more like 3 year olds on the playground - call each other names, making fun of the other guy (oops - Sorry about that wind_knot ;D), and generally not contributing to the greater good. While I agree that much of the media bows one direction, there are plenty that bow the other - many of whom are posted on this site I might add.
We need serious people in DC to represent us instead of their next campaign. I don't have the answer on how to make that happen, but I think somehow it will. Hopefully while I'm still breathing...
TB
Quote from: Big J on August 15, 2013, 08:31:05 AM
Being senile must suck. Hope I don't have that side affect when I get senile.
Quotes just for you, Big J.
"When you become senile, you won't know it." Bill Cosby
"Young men have a passion for regarding their elders as senile." Henry Adams
"We'll be friends until we are old and senile. And then, we will be NEW friends!!" Unknown
"I am in the prime of my senility" Joel Harris
Just remember this ;D
And FOR THE RECORD, tell me I am wrong? Tell me that this president isn't putting us deeper into the shitter. Tell me that the last one WASN'T wasting billions of dollars a month on a war that needlessly killed thousands (on both sides, military and civilian), and that it should have been ended only months (not over a decade)!!! Tell me how cutting the funds to the space program was a good idea. Tell me how cutting back on defense, local and abroad, making up a sector called ICE (whom I may add have pretty much free reign to do "as they see fit" is actually helping us. Tell me how a Homeland Security with unchecked balances and the freedom to seize you and everything you own, in the name of terrorism of course, is really benefitting the general American people.
Let me ask you this, I call out the president, whom I don't trust, the political parties, whom I don't trust, and the modern version of politics, which I don't trust and you two start calling me names! I did not directly attack you, your children or any of your relatives so where do you get the fuck off??? This is supposed to be a debate, not telling me I am whining because I do not share your point of view. You then resort to name calling? Really? Who's the one having issues?!
I think anyone who still believes in politics, where the rich, egotistical, self-serving few are allowed to run the hard working, tax paying man or woman in to the ground should re-evaluate their meaning of political.
That is all
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I don't disagree with much that you've said. And I had to review my post again about the name calling (I was pulling your leg there I admit), but reread your original post and then decide who was resorting to name calling. But I digress...
As for your poor me crap about the Man, that's old hat and really is whining. Suggest some solutions. I'd love to hear them. But all the ranting about Obama (that's President Obastard to you bub!) is tiresome to continue hearing. Do you have a better plan? I admit I don't, but I would love to hear yours.
Stick to your rational points of arguement and tell us what you think the solutions are. Then we will mock you! :-*
TB
Quote from: wind_knot on August 15, 2013, 15:42:51 PM
I did not directly attack you, your children or any of your relatives so where do you get the fuck off??? This is supposed to be a debate, not telling me I am whining because I do not share your point of view. You then resort to name calling? Really?
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Welcome to BRFFF ....If ya can't handle the heat stay out of the kitchen. -0- -0- -0-
BTW....I'm actually on your side as far as the politics go.
Forget Bush, forget Obama. The fact that the old fogey group may be changing their posture (senility or not) is interesting. What does it all mean? The detritus from the shifting winds are fun to watch.
What the heck do I know? I am just one of those barely literate monkeys riding this spaceship rock through the universe, looking for a banana, and trying to have fun.
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on August 15, 2013, 16:58:42 PM
What the heck do I know? I am just one of those barely literate monkeys riding this spaceship rock through the universe, looking for a banana, and trying to have fun.
I masturbate a lot in public, eat bugs that I pick from other peoples' hair, and fling my own poop at the walls and passersby.
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on August 15, 2013, 16:58:42 PM
Forget Bush, forget Obama. The fact that the old fogey group may be changing their posture (senility or not) is interesting. What does it all mean? The detritus from the shifting winds are fun to watch.
What the heck do I know? I am just one of those barely literate monkeys riding this spaceship rock through the universe, looking for a banana, and trying to have fun.
The "old fogeys" are dead or dying. The "60's generation" are the new old fogeys. I guess it makes sense demographically. When I read the beliefs of those polled, all I can say is DETROIT.
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 19:04:37 PM
The "old fogeys" are dead or dying. The "60's generation" are the new old fogeys. I guess it makes sense demographically. When I read the beliefs of those polled, all I can say is DETROIT.
Detroit? Flats, forget about the Motor City! NC and its vecordious voter bill is the center of curiosity . Mattoids must abound in your wonderful state. I feel for you and Beetle.
Me thinks thou Democrats protest too much on this voter ID thing. I really don't see why showing an ID to vote is such a big issue. You have to show an I'd to get on a plane, cash a check, buy sudafed, get into a bar...what's the big deal?
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 20:50:30 PM
Me thinks thou Democrats protest too much on this voter ID thing. I really don't see why showing an ID to vote is such a big issue. You have to show an I'd to get on a plane, cash a check, buy sudafed, get into a bar...what's the big deal?
The id requirement isn't all...early voting shortened, same day registration ended, no more straight ticket voting, and also drops various campaign donation limits/requirements.
Quote from: benben on August 15, 2013, 21:12:24 PM
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 20:50:30 PM
Me thinks thou Democrats protest too much on this voter ID thing. I really don't see why showing an ID to vote is such a big issue. You have to show an I'd to get on a plane, cash a check, buy sudafed, get into a bar...what's the big deal?
The id requirement isn't all...early voting shortened, same day registration ended, no more straight ticket voting, and also drops various campaign donation limits/requirements.
And this is a return to Jim crow just exactly how? You have ties to Georgia. I read Georgia enacted voter I'd in 2008 and black turnout increased. Is that correct?
I agree. I was calling Ofuckface what he deserved.
1st point (and its a doozy): Homeland Security, ICE, BP and the TSA and the continued threat on Americans safety by these supposed security groups (and yes, I know, Bush started most of them).
Obummer and his greed for power and control knows no bounds. He's made it possible for ICE or HS (or the BP for that matter) to stop you, on public transit, no matter the situation, or location because of a "perceived" threat. They then have the ability to detain you, with out charge of crime for an indefinite period.
https://www.ice.gov/doclib/detention-reform/pdf/detainer-policy.pdf (https://www.ice.gov/doclib/detention-reform/pdf/detainer-policy.pdf)
https://www.aclunc.org/docs/immigration/detainers_issue_brief.pdf (https://www.aclunc.org/docs/immigration/detainers_issue_brief.pdf)
http://americasvoiceonline.org/blog/ice-announces-new-record-number-of-deportations-and-a-better-detainer-policy/. (http://americasvoiceonline.org/blog/ice-announces-new-record-number-of-deportations-and-a-better-detainer-policy/.) (Remember, EVERYONE can have an Obama phone, you just have to sell your soul!!)
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/22/Sherriff-Refuses-to-Honor-ICE-Immigration-Detainers (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/22/Sherriff-Refuses-to-Honor-ICE-Immigration-Detainers)
At least that is how I read into it -0-
Ok, to solve this problem, disband ICE, HS, TSA, and BP!! Do we REALLY need four fawkin agencies to deal with people coming in and out of this country? I mean, hell, we ONLY have TWO borders that actually touch another country.
We are now protected at all ports, points of entrance (man made and in the case of "holes" in the border fencing) whether it be at an airport, train station, bus port, border crossing or other means of ingress into our country by the United States military. Those people that would be put out of a job may join the military. All resources that any of the above mentioned agencies owned will be returned to the military and painted a camouflage to match their new places of deployment. There will no longer be these fancy painted vehicles. We are not here to greet immigrants, we are here to make sure they try nothing.
Any money that was recovered in drug busts will go to making sure America's military is properly taken care of.
As you may have guessed, this will require us to remove our troops from other "strong holds" we have across the globe. It is now our policy to let the countries of the world fend for themselves. We are going to go back to the pre-WWII way of not using our military unless we are directly attacked. No more playing world cop. The troops will have 30 days to secure all debt requirements with their host country. After that, they are to pack up all US assets for immediate redeployment back to the US. Most countries don't want us their anyway so we will be happy to fulfill their requests to leave.
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 21:16:04 PM
Quote from: benben on August 15, 2013, 21:12:24 PM
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 20:50:30 PM
Me thinks thou Democrats protest too much on this voter ID thing. I really don't see why showing an ID to vote is such a big issue. You have to show an I'd to get on a plane, cash a check, buy sudafed, get into a bar...what's the big deal?
The id requirement isn't all...early voting shortened, same day registration ended, no more straight ticket voting, and also drops various campaign donation limits/requirements.
And this is a return to Jim crow just exactly how? You have ties to Georgia. I read Georgia enacted voter I'd in 2008 and black turnout increased. Is that correct?
Yes, correct. Although I'd argue that the democrat vote was trending upward regardless around that time as a contributing factor to the black turnout.
I like voting early, not standing in line, and straight ticket voting, I'm just selfish and lazy like that. ;D
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 19:04:37 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on August 15, 2013, 16:58:42 PM
Forget Bush, forget Obama. The fact that the old fogey group may be changing their posture (senility or not) is interesting. What does it all mean? The detritus from the shifting winds are fun to watch.
What the heck do I know? I am just one of those barely literate monkeys riding this spaceship rock through the universe, looking for a banana, and trying to have fun.
The "old fogeys" are dead or dying. The "60's generation" are the new old fogeys. I guess it makes sense demographically. When I read the beliefs of those polled, all I can say is DETROIT.
You bring up a really, really good point. The age bracket stays the same, the generation that fills it is what changes. All of the "new" old people were brought up VERY different from the prior generation meaning a new set of views and values.
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 20:50:30 PM
Me thinks thou Democrats protest too much on this voter ID thing. I really don't see why showing an ID to vote is such a big issue. You have to show an I'd to get on a plane, cash a check, buy sudafed, get into a bar...what's the big deal?
I think because you have to pay for an ID, which limits some poor folks ability to vote.
...and Whine Knot, stop whining so much.
Or move to Mexico.
Or Canada.
Quote from: benben on August 15, 2013, 21:22:11 PM
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 21:16:04 PM
Quote from: benben on August 15, 2013, 21:12:24 PM
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 20:50:30 PM
Me thinks thou Democrats protest too much on this voter ID thing. I really don't see why showing an ID to vote is such a big issue. You have to show an I'd to get on a plane, cash a check, buy sudafed, get into a bar...what's the big deal?
The id requirement isn't all...early voting shortened, same day registration ended, no more straight ticket voting, and also drops various campaign donation limits/requirements.
And this is a return to Jim crow just exactly how? You have ties to Georgia. I read Georgia enacted voter I'd in 2008 and black turnout increased. Is that correct?
Yes, correct. Although I'd argue that the democrat vote was trending upward regardless around that time as a contributing factor to the black turnout.
I like voting early, not standing in line, and straight ticket voting, I'm just selfish and lazy like that. ;D
"trending up" huh...nothing to do with the complexion of one the candidates? :laugh:
Quote from: RiverbumCO on August 15, 2013, 21:26:09 PM
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 20:50:30 PM
Me thinks thou Democrats protest too much on this voter ID thing. I really don't see why showing an ID to vote is such a big issue. You have to show an I'd to get on a plane, cash a check, buy sudafed, get into a bar...what's the big deal?
I think because you have to pay for an ID, which limits some poor folks ability to vote.
...and Whine Knot, stop whining so much.
Or move to Mexico.
Or Canada.
NC is offering IDs free of charge I believe
Then somebody fucking lied to me. Cocksuckers.
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 21:28:23 PM
Quote from: RiverbumCO on August 15, 2013, 21:26:09 PM
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 20:50:30 PM
Me thinks thou Democrats protest too much on this voter ID thing. I really don't see why showing an ID to vote is such a big issue. You have to show an I'd to get on a plane, cash a check, buy sudafed, get into a bar...what's the big deal?
I think because you have to pay for an ID, which limits some poor folks ability to vote.
...and Whine Knot, stop whining so much.
Or move to Mexico.
Or Canada.
NC is offering IDs free of charge I believe
Let me get a handful so I can vote at least 10 times. :-*
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 21:28:23 PM
Quote from: RiverbumCO on August 15, 2013, 21:26:09 PM
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 20:50:30 PM
Me thinks thou Democrats protest too much on this voter ID thing. I really don't see why showing an ID to vote is such a big issue. You have to show an I'd to get on a plane, cash a check, buy sudafed, get into a bar...what's the big deal?
I think because you have to pay for an ID, which limits some poor folks ability to vote.
...and Whine Knot, stop whining so much.
Or move to Mexico.
Or Canada.
NC is offering IDs free of charge I believe
I can't verify this, but aren't state ID's all free? California had free state ID's. It was the drivers license (and still is) that cost you. I believe Va is the same way. Would be interesting to find out how many states offer free ID's.
Quote from: benben on August 15, 2013, 21:32:49 PM
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 21:28:23 PM
Quote from: RiverbumCO on August 15, 2013, 21:26:09 PM
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 20:50:30 PM
Me thinks thou Democrats protest too much on this voter ID thing. I really don't see why showing an ID to vote is such a big issue. You have to show an I'd to get on a plane, cash a check, buy sudafed, get into a bar...what's the big deal?
I think because you have to pay for an ID, which limits some poor folks ability to vote.
...and Whine Knot, stop whining so much.
Or move to Mexico.
Or Canada.
NC is offering IDs free of charge I believe
Let me get a handful so I can vote at least 10 times. :-*
Vote early and vote often
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on August 15, 2013, 20:44:15 PM
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 19:04:37 PM
The "old fogeys" are dead or dying. The "60's generation" are the new old fogeys. I guess it makes sense demographically. When I read the beliefs of those polled, all I can say is DETROIT.
Detroit? Flats, forget about the Motor City! NC and its vecordious voter bill is the center of curiosity . Mattoids must abound in your wonderful state. I feel for you and Beetle.
I'm in Idaho so leave me out of this one! Fished flat creek today. Meeting Rhody bright and early. You boys have fun!
I'm with TM. You suck, John. Keep the boys out of trouble.
No trouble yet but it should start today. :-)
"You have to show an I'd to get on a plane, cash a check, buy sudafed, get into a bar...what's the big deal?" Malcolm, If you are buying cigarettes and look fairly young you have to show a picture ID. Mud, I killed a Black Widow yesterday /"\.
Quote from: Flatlander on August 15, 2013, 21:28:23 PM
NC is offering IDs free of charge I believe
Free? Free for the individual or I guess the individual could go to the NC DMV and pay for a photo ID (I think around $10 in VA). But what are you NC taxpayers shelling out for these "free" IDs – the cost to implement, educate, and the direct cost to produce the things? I am shocked that you North Carolinians would approve such silly waste of state funds. You guys must be loaded!
Quote from: 5xTippett on August 16, 2013, 11:12:45 AM
Mud, I killed a Black Widow yesterday /"\.
Was it you or Cypress? Did you/he stop and frisk it first?
I've been wondering?
How to wind up a Yank? Talk politicio or football
Fuck me running b';
http://www.demotivationalposters.net/facebookview.php?id=7938 (http://www.demotivationalposters.net/facebookview.php?id=7938)
ok....(let me get this right) ...... lets spend all this money making all NC residents legal so they can vote for a bunch of "crooked fuckers running for office" .....yelp that's politics
Quote from: Transylwader on August 16, 2013, 14:07:26 PM
How to wind up a Yank? Talk politicio or football
Fuck me running b';
http://www.demotivationalposters.net/facebookview.php?id=7938 (http://www.demotivationalposters.net/facebookview.php?id=7938)
The only sport where it is a penalty if you use your hands for anything other than grabbing ass!!
Quote from: 22midge on August 16, 2013, 14:13:30 PM
ok....(let me get this right) ...... lets spend all this money making all NC residents legal so they can vote for a bunch of "crooked fuckers running for office" .....yelp that's politics
You pretty much nailed it. SMH
"Was it you or Cypress? Did you/he stop and frisk it first? " It was me Mud. It was on my mother's recyclying bin. I was carrying it back to her house from the street. I was not particularly amused because I had carried it out to the street in the dark the night before. I sent the spider on to the Great Spider Web in the sky.
Can you teach an old dog new tricks you say?
If this country is the old dog then it for sure need's some new tricks. We have all seen and experienced what both of the current inbred parties have to offer so, let us pray. It is a start to see more and more people finding fault with their party of choice.
In a 'I had a dream' moment...
One way to get us back on track is to have 'we the people' run things.
Get a number of select people with the smarts, breeding and financial backing to run for the top offices. Since every politician I can think of these days is good at fabrication and disinformation, find the people out there who have the three attributes noted above but also have a tremendous love of country and who have morals enough to try to do the right thing for this country and her people each and every time.
These people are out there but because they have standards and morals they stay as far away from the rat's nest of politics as they can.
Have these patriots play the say "yes sir" game and snuggle up to their party chiefs. As in todays politics, they'll also promise anything and everything to those who hold the purse strings to fund campaigns so they extract enough out of them to convince their party and the voters they are the right person for the job. Read that: They're good party idiots.
When they secure high office ranking call a national press conference and yell at the top of their lungs, "Psych!" and state...
We're a new breed in the Capital and we don't take bribes. It has proven to slowly but surely cause grave destruction to this free nation.
We have also enacted the flat tax or similar that all of you... well most of you know is right for Americans and America.
We have ditched the old, wasteful campaign-until-the-nation-pukes model of getting elected to something a lot more sane. The monies used for a campaign will only be the amount individual American citizens contribute to the effort. Seeing as how a right-leaning supreme Court decided that corporations are people too, we'll keep that in play. Each 'person' can only contribute, say, up to $25.00 per year things should get on a bit more level playing field and the graft and corruption we've come to expect should taper down rather quickly. Campaigns will be short and concise and people will still get elected.
We will hold ourselves liable and accountable for any blatant lies we tell after the campaign we did to get elected is over.
We will make 'America First' not just a snazzy campaign slogan thought up in a ritzy Madison Avenue office but a slogan that will be the cornerstone on every decision we make...
We are sorry to interrupt this program but we are having technical difficulties on this and every station that was airing the interrupted program. We will return to our regularly scheduled programming when the coast is clear.
Thank you and good night.
Back to the WB show...
While enjoying the evening under the carport at The Redbrick discussing politics and why politicians and their parties do what they do lately a real old-timer spoke up and said it's a proven fact from over the past few decades that no matter what kind of bullshit they put us and this country through the people won't do a damn thing about it. They'll gripe and whine and bitch about it, point fingers at the other guy then between reality TV shows and sucking down another brewski they'll turn on the news that tells them what they want to hear. The old man nailed it if you ask me.
If we ever get someone running with even a touch of real patriotism and who puts country ahead of party, that person is already escorted towards the back of the bus. Let that person say what the problems are and then say what needs to be done about them get some press and momentum in popularity then his own party puts him on their hit list. A quick and easy way to shut him up unless he too tells the people what they want to and come to expects to hear, label him a nut-case then cut him off from party support. He should know that you can't make it to the very top of your party unless you have proven yourself to be the best at ass-kissing, boot-licking and brown-nosing. In a real world, them's some fucked up qualities for earning someone's respect or vote.
In a nutshell... we has met the enemy and he is us.
you did good Pedman.....but just like the new ideas you refer to ....you will be the outcast thrown aside for those that follow the money.I have always said that we do not need to protect our boundries from the enemy because they are here inside the fence destroying us fron within.
Quote from: 22midge on August 18, 2013, 07:50:20 AM
you did good Pedman.....but just like the new ideas you refer to ....you will be the outcast thrown aside for those that follow the money.I have always said that we do not need to protect our boundries from the enemy because they are here inside the fence destroying us fron within.
You know midge, that's a very good way at looking at it. I must say, I agree with that a lot. I still think that we need to post sentry's around the house, we could certainly use a some cleaning up inside. The patriots need to regain control!!
Quote from: wind_knot on August 18, 2013, 12:02:58 PM
The patriots need to regain control!!
And just who are the patriots?
Ummm, people who love this country and want too see reform that benefits the most people, not the elite few. Sorry, thought that was self-explanatory.
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood on August 18, 2013, 13:08:36 PM
Quote from: wind_knot on August 18, 2013, 12:02:58 PM
The patriots need to regain control!!
And just who are the patriots?
Quote from: wind_knot on August 18, 2013, 13:38:05 PM
Ummm, people who love this country and want too see reform that benefits the most people, not the elite few. Sorry, thought that was self-explanatory.
Is that kinda like the tea party? I thought the republicans where the ones that only looked out for the elite few...and I thought the tea party aligned itself with the elite few supporting republican party...now I'm really confused.
Ok - too perhaps avoid the whole tea party issue, I have a suggestion/question that I have been thinking about for a while. On the assumption that the country needs better (or some would say "any") management, suppose we start paying $50 million a year for the president's salary and $25 million a year for congressmen/senators. Would that attract the appropriate folks and would it make any difference?
All I ask is you give it some thought before you respond...
TB
troutboy_II dont mean to step on your question.... but do you really believe that someone capable of raising $500 million free from contributions will be willing to take a pay cut just to be prez? ;D ;D ;D
I think it would turn the polls into a land rush. You know, every poor person voting for themselves.