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Fly Fishing BS => The Gravel Bar => Topic started by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 22, 2016, 09:55:02 AM

Title: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 22, 2016, 09:55:02 AM
With so much time on my hands, the mind and spirit tends to wonder all over the place.  Ideas and questions are dashing in and out faster than I can keep up.

Recently, within the last 6 months, I discovered my great-grandfather was full blooded Native American.  My grandfather was an illegitimate, taking his mother's name, so I have no idea of his dad's name or tribe. 

Have any of you searched your genetic lineage through one of those submit-your-spit services?  If so, info would be appreciated. 
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Big J on August 22, 2016, 10:03:41 AM
Look at you trying to connect with your ancestors in your old age.  Be careful what prodding you do, sometimes ignorance is bliss.  There are some branches of my family tree that I have no interest in learning about.  Partially the branch where I have aunts younger than me.   
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Onslow on August 22, 2016, 10:14:44 AM
Would you feel better if we held hands and did it together?

A submission of spit was a goal of mine this year.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 22, 2016, 10:21:55 AM
Quote from: Onslow on August 22, 2016, 10:14:44 AM
Would you feel better if we held hands and did it together?

A submission of spit was a goal of mine this year.

Yes, we can hold hands, if you promise not to try to Jingaling me!!!

http://youtu.be/3d8_aXWgnG8

Since submitting spit was a goal, have you researched the endeavor?
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: benben reincarnated on August 22, 2016, 10:58:59 AM
Let me know what shakes out of your research on possible services, I too was considering the DNA analysis.  I hit a few roadblocks on some branches of my tree and was hoping that could clear things up.  I at one time was told to look at the y-chromosome test through FamilyTreeDNA and something about autosomal DNA. The same person also told me to do a test with at least 37 markers/sites.  Way over my head.   
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Grannyknot on August 22, 2016, 12:59:10 PM
I know a lot about my ancestors.  Its my uncle's hobby.
It wont surprise you to know that lots of people in my family were borderline retarded.


Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Dougfish on August 22, 2016, 13:07:38 PM
Quote from: Grannyknot on August 22, 2016, 12:59:10 PM
I know a lot about my ancestors.  Its my uncle's hobby.
It wont surprise you to know that lots of people in my family were borderline retarded.

I did not realize you could make those assumptions from genealogy research.
But I do know you. So......... :laugh:

It appears that I had quite a few prestigious and wealthy ancestors in Europe.
What in the fuck happened after that?  b';
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Aka on August 22, 2016, 21:29:25 PM
My fil is big into genealogy and had my daughter do one of those tests and the results were what I expected, mostly English, with one a big surprise. Somewhere way back there is either a bit of Greek or Italian on my side. The best possibility rests in my grandfather on my fathers side who was an orphan or it could also be any mailman going back generations.

I now invent family history for her depending on my mood. A few weeks back while eating eggplant parmesan for dinner I decided it was Italian and told her about her great, great grandmother, Mama Leone. How Mama Leone left a note on the door for her great grandfather, Sonny. The note said, "Sonny, move out to the country". Sonny, not being a strong reader thought the note said to move out of the country and that is how we got to America from the old country.


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Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: DRIFTS on August 23, 2016, 05:04:36 AM
Due to my rare negative blood type, and one of those Ancient Alien episodes, I must be from space alien origin  /'/
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: rbphoto on August 23, 2016, 06:52:38 AM
Global genealogical mutts, all of us.

English, Irish, French.

Two presidents in the woodpile (and I could give 2 shits for politics), a couple of horse thieves, moonshiners, Kentuckians, Georgians, etc.

Northerners & Southerners from the War Between the States.

Lost half of the paternal line about 4 generations ago because we can't figure out great-great grandfather's complete name or DOB.


Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 23, 2016, 08:47:03 AM
Quote from: rbphoto on August 23, 2016, 06:52:38 AM
Global genealogical mutts, all of us.

True, and I adore the idea of mix.

However, I would like to know if I have an ancestral lawful foot to stand on if I take scalps of or count coup on all the Trump devotees surrounding me.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Woolly Bugger on August 23, 2016, 09:44:56 AM
My mom has done the genealogy  thing old school/church records in Scotland and ancestry dot com tree goes back quite a way she's convinced there is royal blood involved. One relative was murdered for being a covenanter.

Not much know from dad's side his father came over after the great war from Galacia part of the Austrian Hungarian empire.



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Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 23, 2016, 10:17:15 AM
Your honor, I am ?? percent Native American. 

On the night of August ?? of this year I was abruptly aroused from a deep sleep in my humble abode at 8 Grove Lane.  It was the Great Spirit, warning me that I had yet to fulfill my ancestral burdens or followed my ancestral path.  For 4 days and nights I rested atop Flag's Knob, without food and water, and listened to the Great Spirit.  She said our Biracial Great Father was correct when he addressed the latest graduates of Rutgers University.  "In politics and in life, ignorance is not a virtue."  Without any reservation, the Great Spirit directed that I no longer had to offer quarter to the ill-informed, no more free passes, and no more free lunches for the oblivious.  "Rid my lands of the unfeeling, the callous, the witless, and then you can take your place at the council fire," said the Great Spirit.

Therefore your honor, I rest my case.

She and I had a wonderful visit, but I forgot to ask her about my great grandfather and if the spit would be true. 
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Onslow on August 23, 2016, 17:32:38 PM
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 22, 2016, 10:21:55 AM
Quote from: Onslow on August 22, 2016, 10:14:44 AM
Would you feel better if we held hands and did it together?

A submission of spit was a goal of mine this year.


Since submitting spit was a goal, have you researched the endeavor?

Not sure if extensive research is necessary.  I'm in it for genealogy info.  I'm not paying 23 and me to commoditize critical private info unrelated to genealogy. 

My primary motivation put one of my brother's yapping to rest.  My brother has convinced himself he's a Ashkenazi Jew, but sadly he is a blithering fool.  I'm perfectly fine being a pork eating gentile and have no interest in being a snoot.

Surnames can be informing and entertaining.  Most in my tree are habitational names such as Shrock or Dettweiller, and one which has a dubious meaning such as Bitche.  Most interestingly however is Beiler...."Beiler Name Meaning German (Alemannic): from Middle High German beigel, beile 'measuring stick' (Late Latin pagella), hence an occupational name for an inspector of measures or a maker of measuring sticks."  As many of you know, I measure everything, and then some.  My mother's maiden name is Beiler, and a favor that side of the family.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Dougfish on August 23, 2016, 18:20:43 PM
Good stuff, Ken!
My mother was a Painter, but it was Bender in Germany. Her mother was a Hite, shortened from Hight, which was Hecht in Germany. Most of our ancestors could not't spell or write. Names got changed in immigration logs,  army rolls, census rolls, etc.

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Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Onslow on August 23, 2016, 18:31:05 PM
WW I era  persecution here in the US compelled many to go Anglo.

I have no idea how my father's name was spelled in the Old World.  Christian Schware (ie) was a hired  mercenary during the 1812 conflict.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Dougfish on August 23, 2016, 18:45:16 PM
My Germans were here in the late 1600's - early 1700's. Names were goobered up long before the great wars. Revolutionary War service for both namesakes. In fact, it appears both were at Yorktown. I'm blueblood.

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Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Yallerhammer on August 25, 2016, 07:29:47 AM
The Germans I have found in my family tree were Messers. They have been here in North Cackilacky awhile, as one of my ggggggg-grandaddies, Captain Robert Messer, was sentenced to be hung, drawn, and quartered for treason against the Crown as a leading regulator at the Battle of Alamance in 1771. My bunch never has played well with others.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Onslow on December 22, 2017, 19:32:34 PM
Spit was sent a week ago.  No surprises expected.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: driver on December 23, 2017, 09:47:08 AM
Me and my sister unknowingly did the spit test and the same time earlier this year. I was disappointed that she had done this because I figured our results should be the same.

About a week before I got my results she got hers. And it showed Scandinavian at about 42% and 4% British

When I received mine it was 58% British and 11% Scandinavian. So I guess there is a lot of variation of what genes get passed on from sibling to sibling. Or the whole spit test is a crock of shit.

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Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Phil on December 23, 2017, 10:01:54 AM
"Or the whole spit test is a crock of shit."

Bingo.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Onslow on December 23, 2017, 11:51:06 AM
Easy there Phil.  I suspect there is significant variation in genes being passed down.  If Driver came back with results claiming his ancestry is Korean & Native American, then one could claim crock of shit.

There is also something called margin of error.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Onslow on December 23, 2017, 12:00:35 PM
My SIL's MIL is a upper 80ish woman with cervical cancer and enjoys talking about adultery.  I suspect her offspring has some variation.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: driver on December 23, 2017, 12:41:08 PM
Quote from: Onslow on December 23, 2017, 12:00:35 PM
My SIL's MIL is a upper 80ish woman with cervical cancer and enjoys talking about adultery.  I suspect her offspring has some variation.
Lol

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Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: sanjuanwormhatch on December 26, 2017, 12:03:30 PM
I've thought about doing it but I've always kind of felt like it's a little big brother-y and I'm not really a paranoid person. 
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Onslow on January 06, 2018, 17:27:41 PM
Results are in.
76% Swiss Alps area
16% Mediterranean Coon...  Proud Roman heritage
7 % British....someone probably got raped on the boat.
Trace Caucus
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: driver on January 06, 2018, 20:58:39 PM
Lol. Whitey

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Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Woolly Bugger on January 06, 2018, 22:39:35 PM
https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/07/06/535767665/why-you-should-think-twice-about-those-dna-by-mail-results


https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/08/10/541921634/when-where-are-you-from-takes-you-someplace-unexpected



Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Onslow on February 04, 2018, 11:15:43 AM
Quote from: Phil on December 23, 2017, 10:01:54 AM
"Or the whole spit test is a crock of shit."

Bingo.

Not so fast. 

Ancestry.com provides a DNA family option that matches your DNA with the closest matches in their database.  No one in my wife's family circle used the family tree option, which requires manual entry names in order to test the DNA matching feature.  Aliases were also used instead of real names.  Their system found close relatives, and was sufficiently accurate on degrees up separation.

Not being native of Sorry Cnty NC, I thought it would be interesting to learn more about it's inhabitants.  Being my MIL's people have inhabited the county for quite a while, and the county is somewhat inbred, I gave my MIL a test kit for Christmas.  The results were stunning.  I had speculated she would be 10% Native American, 10-20 percent Dutch, but mostly Irish, and Scottish.  The results were:

46% Scandi
19% Irish/Scottish/Welsh
10% British/Saxon
9% Western European, southern German
9% Mediterranean
5% Iberian P

These tests have also provided some clues for the long burning questions regarding the influence of Roman society/DNA in France, Germany, and England.  I honestly was taken back by the amount of Mediterranean DNA found in my wife's family.

I was expecting my wife to be about 50 % Western European, and 45% Scottish/Irish/Welsh.  This because her father was Moravian, and most hailed from Germany.  My wife's grandmother was a Bodenheimer, and they originated from the Duchy of Baden.  Her grandfather/paternal apparently was an English convert with an interchangeable Scottish/German name.

Results:

45% Great Britain,
17% Western European, southern German
17% Irish/Scottish/Welsh
5% Scandi
6% Finnish
5% Mediterranean
4% Iberian

Perhaps this explains my wife's fixation on British society.

Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Onslow on February 04, 2018, 16:16:02 PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4275891/

Interesting read
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Woolly Bugger on June 05, 2018, 14:42:31 PM
‪Genealogy site MyHeritage says 92 million user accounts compromised https://www.statnews.com/2018/06/05/genealogy-site-myheritage-says-92-million-user-accounts-compromised/ via @statnews‬


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Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: BRFFF on August 11, 2018, 07:46:48 AM
NPE

https://nypost.com/2018/08/11/ancestry-tests-are-revealing-shocking-family-secrets/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app



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Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on August 13, 2018, 08:41:17 AM
Quote from: BRFFF on August 11, 2018, 07:46:48 AM
NPE

https://nypost.com/2018/08/11/ancestry-tests-are-revealing-shocking-family-secrets/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app


No kidding!  I was recently informed from the spit test what I already knew.  I'm a kraut.

Now, the interesting facet of all this ancestry bullshit is you can deter the relatives, unless you suddenly acquire wealth (win the lottery), by including an honest profile.

When my results appeared online, I received multiple exchanges from unfamiliar relatives.  That persisted until I completed my profile, stating I was an atheist – not one word or message since then. 

I bet if I'd falsely alluded that I believed in Nessie, mountain lions in the east, or Bigfoot, the interactions would have continued and even increased.     
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: benben reincarnated on August 13, 2018, 10:05:06 AM
Long story short, my great uncle discovered he fathered a child when he was in Germany in WW2 via my ancestry results.  I was contacted by a German guy who was matched as my 1st or 2nd cousin, he'd been looking for his father.  He got in contact with my other relatives and was able to meet his 93 year old father for the first time earlier this year.  My recently discovered cousin has been living in the US since the 60s.  My uncle fondly remembered his mother but had no idea she was pregnant when his commission ended and he came back to the US, so they never stayed in contact.  She died in the US in 2008. 
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: BRFFF on October 11, 2018, 17:35:33 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna919236

More than 60 percent of Americans who have some European ancestry can be identified using DNA databases — even if they have not submitted their own DNA, researchers reported Thursday.


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Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Woolly Bugger on February 20, 2019, 17:17:23 PM
The authorities in Minnesota said they identified a suspect in the killing using genealogy and tracked him to a hockey game, where they collected a sample of his DNA.

More than 15 million people have offered up their DNA to online genealogy services in recent years. While they represent a small fraction of all people, the pool of profiles is large enough to allow 60 percent of white Americans â€" the primary users of DNA sites in the United States â€" to be identified through the databases, according to researchers. Researchers believe that in the coming years, 90 percent of Americans of European descent will be identifiable, even if they have not submitted their own DNA

Read More...

https://nyti.ms/2V7Aqu3?smid=nytcore-ios-share


Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Dougfish on February 20, 2019, 21:07:17 PM
A happy, white innocent European here!  -+;
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Woolly Bugger on October 24, 2019, 10:11:25 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-were-cracking-cold-cases-with-a-dna-website-then-the-fine-print-changed/ar-AAJgcVZ?ocid=spartanntp

QuoteIn April 2018, California authorities revealed that they'd used a novel investigative technique to arrest a man they called the Golden State Killer, a serial murderer who'd escaped capture for decades.

For the first time, police had submitted DNA from a crime scene into a consumer DNA database, where information about distant relatives helped them identify a suspect.

The announcement kindled a revolution in forensics that has since helped solve more than 50 rapes and homicides in 29 states.

But earlier this year, that online database changed its privacy policy to restrict law enforcement searches, and since then, these cold cases have become much harder to crack. The change is allowing some criminals who could be identified and caught to remain undetected and unpunished, authorities say.

"There are cases that won't get solved or will take longer to solve," Lori Napolitano, the chief of forensic services at the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, said.

The switch was imposed by GEDmatch, a free website where people share their DNA profiles in hopes of finding relatives. The company had faced criticism for allowing police to search profiles without users' permission, and decided that it would rather make sure members understood explicitly how investigators were using the site. So, it altered its terms of service to automatically exclude all members from law enforcement searches and left it to them to opt in.

Overnight, the number of profiles available to law enforcement dropped from more than 1 million to zero. While the pool has grown slowly since then, as more people click a police-shield icon on GEDmatch allowing authorities to see their profile, cases remain more difficult to solve, investigators say.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Onslow on October 24, 2019, 19:45:19 PM
Quote from: Woolly Bugger on February 20, 2019, 17:17:23 PMThe authorities in Minnesota said they identified a suspect in the killing using genealogy and tracked him to a hockey game, where they collected a sample of his DNA.

More than 15 million people have offered up their DNA to online genealogy services in recent years. While they represent a small fraction of all people, the pool of profiles is large enough to allow 60 percent of white Americans â€" the primary users of DNA sites in the United States â€" to be identified through the databases, according to researchers. Researchers believe that in the coming years, 90 percent of Americans of European descent will be identifiable, even if they have not submitted their own DNA

Read More...

https://nyti.ms/2V7Aqu3?smid=nytcore-ios-share




This does not keep me up at night.  FB compiling facial recognition data, and the prospect of said data being sold to various entities bothers me.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: The Dude on October 25, 2019, 07:42:30 AM
I had to submit a DNA sample to the government when I served in the Army.  It was not optional.  The purpose was so they could identify remains if I got blowed up in Iraq - which is fine by me.  But I doubt that access to that database is restricted to only that purpose.  Good thing I am a lawful citizen.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Onslow on October 25, 2019, 18:30:18 PM
Quote from: The Dude on October 25, 2019, 07:42:30 AMGood thing I am a lawful citizen.

Now that I've curtailed my explorations on private property due to concerns about tech in the woods, I have completely lost interest in fishing.  It was never the fishing that got me off, but rather being free, and enjoying forbidden places. 

If my wife passes before I do, I will take a trip to the Labrador Hwy, abandon the car in the most remote part of Labrador, and start walking until something eats me or I die of starvation/hypothermia/elements.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Dee-Vo on October 26, 2019, 06:31:34 AM
Quote from: Onslow on October 25, 2019, 18:30:18 PM
Quote from: The Dude on October 25, 2019, 07:42:30 AMGood thing I am a lawful citizen.

Now that I've curtailed my explorations on private property due to concerns about tech in the woods, I have completely lost interest in fishing.  It was never the fishing that got me off, but rather being free, and enjoying forbidden places. 


I feel this and agree. But, just wear a mask or something. I've done it. [emoji846]



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Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on October 26, 2019, 08:04:57 AM
Quote from: Onslow on October 25, 2019, 18:30:18 PMIf my wife passes before I do, I will take a trip to the Labrador Hwy, abandon the car in the most remote part of Labrador, and start walking until something eats me or I die of starvation/hypothermia/elements.

I can appreciate this plan.  We should all have such a blueprint.  I'll smoke a ton of weed, attempt to make amends for my multiple transgressions, and travel to the ends of this earth to enjoy a Katy Perry concert, if my lovely wife passes first.  But I don't think statistics are on our side.  In fact, I've discussed in length with the Mrs and son my wishes for my ceremonial dirt snooze.  Hokie Stone monument, song list, celebratory food and drink, etc. all planned out.  Just last week my son and I reviewed the plan – no scripture, no sermon, no hymns, great food and drink (including hooch), first patron to make everyone laugh goes to the front of the food/drink line, first patron to shed a tear goes to the back of the line.  Simple design.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Yallerhammer on October 27, 2019, 17:04:57 PM
I will fight the reaper til my last breath.
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Woolly Bugger on November 08, 2019, 15:33:35 PM
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/search-warrant-overrides-1m-users-choice-not-to-share-dna-with-cops/122B9E7E-6439-4DA5-AF8C-D5600EEB2105.png
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: troutrus on November 08, 2019, 21:25:41 PM
The article mentions privacy. 🤣
Who the heck is naive enough to send in their spit and believe it will be handled with discretion?
Title: Re: Spittle tells a story????
Post by: Onslow on November 30, 2019, 07:57:37 AM
A recent quick visit to the Ancestry.com account revealed they've updated their ancestry origins section, not the platform, but their area of origin work.  From my perspective, ancestry.com has gone completely wackadoodle. I know where my ancestors came from because German/Swiss folk generally keep good notes, and almost every person in my family tree is documented since 1753-1800. I also know my legal father is my biological father due all the DNA relatives that are related to my father's side.  Ancestry.com is now claiming 60 percent of my is from mainland Britain.  While there is much Scandi, Roman, Norman, Anglo/Saxon folk in Britain which means northern Krauts may well possess the same genetic material as most Britons, all of my known forbearers come from the upper Rhine river watershed. 


More to the point, cheesy commercial DNA readers are a proven reliable source of information regarding our health, lol.