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Mudwall Gatewood 3.0

Quote from: Onslow on November 29, 2022, 18:30:18 PMThere is a huge different between an alien/introduced species, and an invasive species. All alien species are like getting new neighbors.  Some neighbors are horrible, and some are just fine.

Rainbow trout at the east coast are horrible.

Brook trout out west are horrible.

Brown trout are problematic, but they are quite neighborly at Stone Mt. park.  The brookies can hold their own there.  Temps are what determine their fate. 

It is best to only introduce species that are somewhat local. Stocking smallmouth in the James or Yadkin is not horrible. They exist in adjacent watersheds.  Details such as this matter.

I know of many streams that have introduced fish that are not assholes like Alabama bass.

The smallmouth in the Uwharrie and Little, Rocky River (Pee Dee watershed) are not invasive, neither are the Roanoke bass stocked in the Deep, Uwharrie, and Little. They occupy a very limited space.

The stocking of Kentucky Spots in Avents, Parkers, and Little River (Cape Fear watershed) was boneheaded. There was already a full established population of largemouth.  The Cape Fear is also the most nutrient poor watershed in NC.  Now, 90 percent of the black bass in the Cape fear are small Kentucky Spots.  Make no mistake, Kentucky spots are INVASIVE and so are Alabama bass. The fear of these two species is not arbitrary or irrational.
 



Interesting, and thought provoking, analysis of the dilemma.

Had a lot of time to ponder 'aliens' over the last 2 weeks, encountering the inundation of Autumn Olives in unmanaged old wildlife clearings.  Damned if they ain't some real aggressive growing introduction to our part of the world. 

Perhaps every single nonnative is truly an invasive, if we had the time, resources, and expertise to examine every ecosystem. 
 
Words like "neighbors", "horrible", "assholes", "boneheaded", might prove very meaningful if we spoke and understood the language of each ecosystem.  Human construct is most often a bitch.

Tarheels, please inform:  I thought the Cape Fear watershed was very eutrophic, nutrient rich, not nutrient poor.  Has NC cleaned it up? 
"Enjoy every sandwich."  Warren Zevon

trout-r-us

Native, alien, invasive,  are terms used by biologists, ecologists, numerous other scientists and groups, including fishermen. I guess the terms mean something different to different people for one reason or another.
Anglers differ in their preference of target species, with some opportunistic fishermen like myself happy to fish for whatever is available anyplace and anytime.
Others only want to pursue what they believe to be native species.
Luckily, most of us get to make our own choice. Life is good.
"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man."
― Heraclitus

Onslow

Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on November 30, 2022, 10:11:47 AMTarheels, please inform:  I thought the Cape Fear watershed was very eutrophic, nutrient rich, not nutrient poor.  Has NC cleaned it up? 


It may be in spots.  I don't recall which governmental agency declared the Cape Fear basin the most nutrient poor in NC, or what metrics were used to arrive at that conclusion. I was under the impression the discussion was about intrinsic soil nutrient(s), and not city sewer, or ag runoff. The Cape Fear is a very large watershed with much diversity within it in terms of geology.  I honestly think the Catawba watershed deserves the piss poor award.



Woolly Bugger

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Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
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ex - I'm not going to live with you through one more fishing season!
me -There's a season?

Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
My son: My dad has two fish on his car and they're both trout!

Onslow

#20

The best fishing video ever. No pretentious assiness.

Woolly Bugger


A non-native fish is spreading in Idaho, threatening salmon and steelhead, IDFG says


Idaho Fish and Game has received more reports this year of a non-native fish species in the Snake and Salmon rivers, prompting the agency to raise the alarm about potential impacts on struggling salmon and steelhead. In a news release, Fish and Game officials said they've received numerous reports of walleye, a predatory fish from the Midwest, on the Snake River near Hells Canyon and on the Salmon River. The agency called the reports "alarming" and said signs point to more walleye on the way to Idaho. Because walleye are such voracious predators, they pose a risk to salmon and steelhead in Idaho's waterways.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/outdoors/fishing/article278300293.html#storylink=cpy

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/outdoors/fishing/article278300293.html#storylink=cpy


https://www.idahostatesman.com/outdoors/fishing/article278300293.html
ex - I'm not going to live with you through one more fishing season!
me -There's a season?

Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
My son: My dad has two fish on his car and they're both trout!

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An invasive hornet that hunts honeybees is spotted in the U.S. for the first time

Agriculture officials are raising the alarm after an invasive yellow-legged hornet was seen near Savannah, Ga. The insects are devastatingly effective at preying on honeybees and other pollinators.

"This is the first time a live specimen of this species has been detected in the open United States," the Georgia Department of Agriculture said, after confirming the insect's presence with the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the University of Georgia.

The yellow-legged hornet, Vespa velutina, is native to Southeast Asia. It's a close cousin of the northern giant hornet, Vespa mandarinia, also known as the Asian giant hornet — or, more frighteningly, "murder hornet," for the deadly and violent havoc it wreaks on bee colonies.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/outdoors/fishing/article278300293.html
ex - I'm not going to live with you through one more fishing season!
me -There's a season?

Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
My son: My dad has two fish on his car and they're both trout!

Woolly Bugger

'Quarantine pest': Here's everything you need to know about the elm zigzag sawfly, NC's newest invasive species

North Carolina researchers are tracking the state's newest invasive species: the elm zigzag sawfly.

Native to East Asia, the elm zigzag sawfly was first discovered in the United States in 2021 and has been spotted in five Eastern states, including North Carolina, according to Kelly Oten, assistant professor and extension specialist with N.C. State University's forest health resource

https://myfox8.com/news/north-carolina/piedmont-triad/quarantine-pest-heres-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-elm-zigzag-sawfly-ncs-newest-invasive-species?utm_source=wghp_app&utm_medium=social&utm_content=share-link
ex - I'm not going to live with you through one more fishing season!
me -There's a season?

Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
My son: My dad has two fish on his car and they're both trout!

Woolly Bugger

ex - I'm not going to live with you through one more fishing season!
me -There's a season?

Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
My son: My dad has two fish on his car and they're both trout!

Woolly Bugger

ex - I'm not going to live with you through one more fishing season!
me -There's a season?

Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
My son: My dad has two fish on his car and they're both trout!

driver

That mantis is invasive as well.

Woolly Bugger

Groups target invasive carp with $1.1B project at key lakes chokepoint

A coalition of organizations is developing an innovative and expensive engineering project at the 96-year-old Brandon Road Lock and Dam on the Des Plaines River south of Chicago to block invasive carp from reaching Lake Michigan.

The $1.146 billion project, paid for with 90% federal and 10% state funds from Michigan and Illinois, is meant to help prevent catastrophic damage to the $7 billion Great Lakes fishery and prevent untold disruption to the $15 billion boating industry, according to authorities. Michigan's Department of Natural Resources has warned that invasive carp are headed toward Michigan's waterways and could disrupt its fisheries and marine economy.

Addressing the need for a better barrier at the Brandon Road Lock and Dam could also fix one potential carp entry point.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2023/09/02/groups-target-invasive-carp-with-1-1b-project-at-key-lakes-chokepoint/70737183007/
ex - I'm not going to live with you through one more fishing season!
me -There's a season?

Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
My son: My dad has two fish on his car and they're both trout!

Woolly Bugger

Scientists warn invasive pests are taking a staggering toll on society


The authors of a major new U.N.-backed report say invasive species are costing the world more than $423 billion a year

https://wapo.st/3P73hfs
ex - I'm not going to live with you through one more fishing season!
me -There's a season?

Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
My son: My dad has two fish on his car and they're both trout!

Woolly Bugger


Sweet, gooey poop and a taste for grapes: 7 wild facts about the spotted lanternfly : Life Kit  - https://www.npr.org/2023/09/05/1196976849/stomp-scrape-repeat-what-you-can-do-to-stop-the-spotted-lanternfly
ex - I'm not going to live with you through one more fishing season!
me -There's a season?

Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
My son: My dad has two fish on his car and they're both trout!