Sign of the apocalypse or for the lust of guns

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Mudwall Gatewood 3.0

These shootings/killings can certainly dominate one's psyche.  Personally, they really distract my everyday life.  Not that I fear for my life or the life of loved ones, but a diversional question of 'where the fuck did we go wrong?'.           

I can see why many (teachers, school administrators, church goers, movie goers, hospital workers, folks walking down the street, etc.) would not even consider getting shot by some other human.  Why would they?  Use the teachers and school administrators as an example.  They are not trained to combat such abhorrent events; they are skilled to teach and oversee our youth for a few hours every day.  How can an educator do their job, if they are consumed with worry over a deranged individual(s)?  Locking doors, metal detectors, arming teachers, resource officers, etc. is like taking aspirin for cancer.

Mental health?  Yes, important, but do we have any more crazies here in the U.S. than other countries?  Hammers/knives versus guns?  Yes, a crazy with a hammer can kill but this is a bullshit argument.  Only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun; this reasoning makes my ass want to suck a lemon!

Blame?  I'll take 1/ 7.9 billionth of the blame for worldly problems.  We are all to blame as the most advanced species on earth BUT also the most self-entitled, greediest, most selfish, most tribal species on earth.  As a U.S. citizen, I'll take 1/334,712,903 of the blame for our gun loving, narrow minded, MOST entitled attitude.


You all can decide on the validity of this article.
 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/italy-has-a-gun-culture-but-no-mass-shootings-here-s-why/ar-AAXXkLU
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Dee-Vo

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Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on June 02, 2022, 08:13:20 AMMental health?  Yes, important, but do we have any more crazies here in the U.S. than other countries?  Hammers/knives versus guns?  Yes, a crazy with a hammer can kill but this is a bullshit argument.  Only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun; this reasoning makes my ass want to suck a lemon!



I often wonder if we're too far gone for repair in this regard, sadly, just being honest.

If gun laws are stiffened, there will still be just as many guns to use for ill intent, unfortunately. If gun dealers were the only place to pick up a weapon, this may be more effective. We all know that's far from the case.

If every gun manufacturer on the planet discontinued production today, there would still be as many guns to use for ill intent available, at least for a long while.

Guns don't kill people on their own. Neither do knives. But when you put a room full of children in a room full of knives, I'll bet you that there will be plenty of bloodshed.

It seems that ABLE security, and more of it, would be the more speedy Aspirin to administer. ABLE security would denote a person of physical and mental aptitude instead of the dimmest-brained, chickenshit uniformed man on the force (not always the case, but a very popular nominee). Many of the men/women chosen for this do so simply because of the cake walk mentality of past times.

Common sense helps. Keeping things locked up. Doors, windows, etc. However, at recess, and just everyday class movements that involve outdoor walking from building to building seems to be risky, are we to cover the school properties with a dome completely? Maybe that would be nice.

Budgets for security, etc. seem to be as much of a conflict as any other excuse besides maybe the simple aversion to everyday headaches involving everyday change to things on a very large scope. The "We just fixed that" or "We updated that last year" outlooks make it comparable to swimming in quicksand to get to the other side.

It seems that schools could/would have someone that would address any person that enters upon the property boundaries as soon as this is detected. It would seem like a good idea to try and contain a situation outside beforehand rather than allowing someone to get to the building or worse yet, inside it.

Time of entry always seems to be a hot topic. Having a plan before police enter. It makes great sense to have a plan of action before running headlong into a situation, sure. It also makes sense to have these plans made as much as possible before an incident takes place. Summer breaks? Weekends? Can there not be a team of officers, soldiers, or trained men that can be familiar with schools and such in each county? How could this not be advantageous?

So, security, timely entrance, and guns are now mentioned. What else is there?

Well, of course, the actual individual committing the act. What's the solution here? Better yet, what's the cause?

Attention? Suicide? Thoughts of being 'famous'? Parenting, or the lack thereof? Violence in  video games/tv? Medications? Multitudes of suspects are waiting to take the blame.

My opinion? It's some of everything mentioned in this lengthy post that maybe 9 people will read, if I'm lucky. And when you have just a little of a lot of different somethings, you have a very large, complicated issue. One that isn't cut and dry. One that isn't solved overnight.

You have one that'll never be solved. Ever.

We have too many rights. We can do too many things without being held accountable. We can't hold folks accountable because of their rights. Full circle. What you going to do?

Digressing, finally. My conclusion is that it's impossible to fix this. And the impossibility is made possible by ourselves, the very ones that are hurt and yearning for a solution. You cannot want to change others for the better when you're as much the problem yourself. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Saddest of all, this is but a drop in the bucket. Schools? It's the most terrifying thing I can imagine happening as I have a young child in school. But schools aren't the only problem.

Picture a world where somehow we've 100% eradicated school violence. Next, it would be more concerts, restaurants, ball games, children's parks, etc. You can't fix it. And it is the saddest admittance of our time.

We can't fix our problems because we can't fix ourselves because ourselves are the problem to begin with. You cannot fix something with the same mentality that brought on the issues in the first place.

streamereater_101691

Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on June 02, 2022, 08:13:20 AMThese shootings/killings can certainly dominate one's psyche.  Personally, they really distract my everyday life.  Not that I fear for my life or the life of loved ones, but a diversional question of 'where the fuck did we go wrong?'.           

I can see why many (teachers, school administrators, church goers, movie goers, hospital workers, folks walking down the street, etc.) would not even consider getting shot by some other human.  Why would they?  Use the teachers and school administrators as an example.  They are not trained to combat such abhorrent events; they are skilled to teach and oversee our youth for a few hours every day.  How can an educator do their job, if they are consumed with worry over a deranged individual(s)?  Locking doors, metal detectors, arming teachers, resource officers, etc. is like taking aspirin for cancer.

Mental health?  Yes, important, but do we have any more crazies here in the U.S. than other countries?  Hammers/knives versus guns?  Yes, a crazy with a hammer can kill but this is a bullshit argument.  Only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun; this reasoning makes my ass want to suck a lemon!

Blame?  I'll take 1/ 7.9 billionth of the blame for worldly problems.  We are all to blame as the most advanced species on earth BUT also the most self-entitled, greediest, most selfish, most tribal species on earth.  As a U.S. citizen, I'll take 1/334,712,903 of the blame for our gun loving, narrow minded, MOST entitled attitude.


You all can decide on the validity of this article.
 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/italy-has-a-gun-culture-but-no-mass-shootings-here-s-why/ar-AAXXkLU


Great article. I'm all for keeping military grade weapons out of civilians hands. I don't understand how we can differentiate between an ar-15 and a standard semi-auto hunting rifle. The metal components and actions are very similar if not exact. Calibers are very similar as well(.223,.270,.556,.7.62,.308). The only thing different is the stock shape and material.

I know many of you dislike joe rogan, but his guest on this episode has some interesting points. Not to mention, he did help rescue jessica lynch.



Woolly Bugger

good points but at the same time...

TULSA shooter;

"Louis bought an AR-style semi-automatic rifle just hours before the shooting"


What kind of conversation do we need to have about this?
ex - I'm not going to live with you through one more fishing season!
me -There's a season?

Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
My son: My dad has two fish on his car and they're both trout!

streamereater_101691

Quote from: Woolly Bugger on June 02, 2022, 13:46:37 PMgood points but at the same time...

TULSA shooter;

"Louis bought an AR-style semi-automatic rifle just hours before the shooting"


What kind of conversation do we need to have about this?

Already sounds like that loon had it out with his surgeon per early reporting. Surgeon assured his pain would be alleviated with the procedure. Really sucks for the innocent bystanders. Pain meds have to be involved. They also said he has been disgruntled since his post op appointments and had been trying to get in touch with his Dr. He should've gone on the "no fly list" right then especially if he was on drugs.

trout-r-us

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man."
― Heraclitus

Trout Maharishi

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Quote from: trout-r-us on June 03, 2022, 06:26:34 AMYou cannot view this attachment.
So if you had a bigger dick how would that work? You gonna defend yourself and kill em with big ed and the twins or fuck em to death? I know how you lefties roll :cheers Viagra probrobably cost more than most bullets. /"\
"We're all going to die, all of us, what a circus! That alone should make us love each other but it doesn't. We are terrorized and flattened by trivialities, we are eaten up by nothing."
― Charles Bukowski

Phil

I have guns -- pistols, revolvers, shotguns, and a hunting rifle. I have a concealed carry permit and carry a small pistol everywhere I am legally allowed to carry. This world has gone crazy, and I am committed to protect my wife and myself from imminent deadly threat. Many people do not agree with the fact that I carry a gun. That's OK.
That said -- I do not think civilians need or should be able to purchase large capacity AR-15 style assault weapons. Also, background checks without loopholes, waiting times, red flag laws, and age restrictions should be put in place.

It's far more complicated than that, but I'll leave it there.


trout-r-us

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man."
― Heraclitus

trout-r-us

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man."
― Heraclitus


Mudwall Gatewood 3.0

No more gun BS.  Now mayflies!

I gave all my specimens of mayflies (nymphs, duns, spinners) from the SOHO and Smith to Luke Jacobus before I retired from VT.
 
He's a good egg and I am elated he is still in the game.  We should all be concerned over the fate of these critters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-world-s-oldest-winged-insect-is-in-trouble-how-frightened-should-we-be/ar-AA1202uE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9c205fff048048cd83d3aa4b9e7defa7
"Enjoy every sandwich."  Warren Zevon

Woolly Bugger

 A carbon dioxide production shortage caused by natural contamination at the Jackson Dome — a Mississippi reservoir of CO2 from an extinct volcano — is forcing brewers to cut back.
Brewers across the country are reporting production delays in getting beer to the market and drafting contingency plans to switch to nitrogen.
Nightshift Brewery outside Boston shut down a facility after being told their carbon dioxide supply was "cut for the foreseeable future, possibly more than a year."
Others are paying 3-4x as much


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ex - I'm not going to live with you through one more fishing season!
me -There's a season?

Pastor explains icons to my son: you know like the fish symbol on the back of cars.
My son: My dad has two fish on his car and they're both trout!

jwgnc

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