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For the love of guns

Started by Mudwall Gatewood, October 10, 2014, 12:46:22 pm

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Mudwall Gatewood 3.0

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Phil


Phil

Hey, Muddy's post got me thinking -- I can't remember if I ever mentioned/posted this here before. My grandfather's 1890's Krag Springfield that he used in the Spanish-American War. It's mine now and still in working condition, although I've not fired it.

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January 06, 2019, 21:07:40 pm #558 Last Edit: January 06, 2019, 21:10:13 pm by Al
Well I am not as old as  this will make me sound :laugh:  but I remember a childhood friend whose dad had a lot of old guns. One of them was the 25-35 that Muddy mentioned. We knew it was a little light for deer hunting but there were so many kids in that family that one of them ended up with it when I went on my first deer hunt. I took a 410 / 22 over/under. Shot at and missed my first deer with that thing. Deer were running and I just pointed it in general direction and pulled the trigger which I assummed missed (Back in those days if they didn't drop we were not smart enough to go check for blood :embarassed:)

That fellow's dad also had a 30-40 Krag much like the one Phil showed. I think a lot of them ended up being sold as government surplus and were used as deer rifles back in the day.  Another military surplus that found a lot of favor in the deer woods was the British 303 Enfield.


BTW my father had an octagon barreled 30-30.  Not sure who made them. Sure wish I had it today.

Big J

January 08, 2019, 14:07:11 pm #559 Last Edit: January 08, 2019, 14:08:42 pm by Big J
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 06, 2019, 12:38:36 pm


A 1930's 94 is worth a chunk of money.  Holds more nostalgic value I'm sure.  If the gun is in decent shape, I bet that bluing is gorgeous.
"It is good to have an end to journey toward; but it is the journey that matters, in the end." Hemingway

Mudwall Gatewood 3.0

January 08, 2019, 17:09:58 pm #560 Last Edit: January 08, 2019, 17:19:15 pm by Mudwall Gatewood 3.0
Quote from: Big J on January 08, 2019, 14:07:11 pm
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 06, 2019, 12:38:36 pm



A 1930's 94 is worth a chunk of money.  Holds more nostalgic value I'm sure.  If the gun is in decent shape, I bet that bluing is gorgeous.
"Enjoy every sandwich." Warren Zevon

ARontheFly

Quote from: sanjuanwormhatch on October 10, 2014, 13:31:56 pm
QuoteThese racial fears may seem like they belong to another era, but sometimes the present looks like the past, one historian says.

There was a run on gun stores when President Obama was elected and another when he was re-elected. There was also a run on gun stores just before President Clinton signed the Federal Assault Weapons ban in 1994. One historian, however, says the surges in gun sales that accompanied Obama's elections were reminiscent of another era.


Or, rather than racism, maybe the obama gun rush was instigated by the fear of gun control laws, not that the person just elected was black (or whatever the hail he is).  It is especially ironic that after trying to make the point, the author points out an example of where gun control instigated a gun rush.
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Not to argue, but while we're shooting the shit regarding that topic;

I wouldn't hesitate to say all of the above. At the time Obama was running for office I was a teenager hanging around a gun/fly shop located in the wealthiest area of Nashville, the shop functioned as a men's hang with sitting chairs set up in the corner like a cigar lounge. Not that i give a shit about the who's who folks in my town but i clearly recall several very wealthy men from prominent Nashville families making comments such as; direct quote here- "if Obama gets in office i need to be sure i have plenty of ammo so when they
"We don't whitewash it either, Morty. I mean, the pirates are really rapey."

ARontheFly

HAHAHA sorry guys, I clicked on this thread and accidently thought Mudwall's original post was the most recent post.

On a more related note to the thread, I'm going to my parents house to search for an old 22LR
that lived in the back of their closet for years. Trying to figure out if it was my gradfathers or one they
picked up from another relative along the way. Will report back, hope its not rusted too bad. Just started
my squirrel hunting carreer this year.
"We don't whitewash it either, Morty. I mean, the pirates are really rapey."

Al

Personally I don't think the run on guns and ammo had or has anything to do with race. Fact is, some of the most anti-gun legislators are white folks. Check out Hillary, Blumberg, McAuliffe, Feinstein, etc, etc and they are all for restricting guns for the masses but not for themselves or those they hire to protect them. Same folks are also claiming walls don't work except around their own property.  It is also instructive that most of the places with high crime or mass shootings are the ones with the the most restrictive gun laws.

Mudwall Gatewood 3.0

January 13, 2019, 18:29:28 pm #564 Last Edit: January 13, 2019, 18:39:32 pm by Mudwall Gatewood 3.0
Quote from: Al on January 13, 2019, 17:35:39 pm
Personally I don't think the run on guns and ammo had or has anything to do with race. Fact is, some of the most anti-gun legislators are white folks. Check out Hillary, Blumberg, McAuliffe, Feinstein, etc, etc and they are all for restricting guns for the masses but not for themselves or those they hire to protect them. Same folks are also claiming walls don't work except around their own property.  It is also instructive that most of the places with high crime or mass shootings are the ones with the the most restrictive gun laws.
"Enjoy every sandwich." Warren Zevon

Onslow

January 13, 2019, 21:13:44 pm #565 Last Edit: January 13, 2019, 21:21:40 pm by Onslow
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 13, 2019, 18:29:28 pm
  Good luck with that wall, Al.


Allowing the floodgates to be open to the desperate impoverished hordes along with very cruel, smart, and enterprising criminals is not an option.  If you don't have  a better plan, then don't mock the wall.  Some pretend nothing will happen if there is no border security.  Good luck with that!

Drought, overpopulation, desperation will be followed by some unpleasant choices for those that have, and it does not involve feeding the poor, but more like stand your ground and kill, or be killed.  Said perturbations will not happen is some distant nebulous future, it will happen in our lifetime.  Droughts push desperate people over the edge.  It happened in Syria, and now some are asserting that droughts are triggering migration from Central America.  The earth can only sustain but so many humans, and at some point something will have to give. 

Mudwall Gatewood 3.0

Quote from: Onslow on January 13, 2019, 21:13:44 pm
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 13, 2019, 18:29:28 pm
  Good luck with that wall, Al.


Allowing the floodgates to be open to the desperate impoverished hordes along with very cruel, smart, and enterprising criminals is not an option.  If you don't have  a better plan, then don't mock the wall.  Some pretend nothing will happen if there is no border security.  Good luck with that!

Drought, overpopulation, desperation will be followed by some unpleasant choices for those that have, and it does not involve feeding the poor, but more like stand your ground and kill, or be killed.  Said perturbations will not happen is some distant nebulous future, it will happen in our lifetime.  Droughts push desperate people over the edge.  It happened in Syria, and now some are asserting that droughts are triggering migration from Central America.  The earth can only sustain but so many humans, and at some point something will have to give.
"Enjoy every sandwich." Warren Zevon

Big J

Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 13, 2019, 18:29:28 pm
Quote from: Al on January 13, 2019, 17:35:39 pm
Personally I don't think the run on guns and ammo had or has anything to do with race. Fact is, some of the most anti-gun legislators are white folks. Check out Hillary, Blumberg, McAuliffe, Feinstein, etc, etc and they are all for restricting guns for the masses but not for themselves or those they hire to protect them. Same folks are also claiming walls don't work except around their own property.  It is also instructive that most of the places with high crime or mass shootings are the ones with the the most restrictive gun laws.



BS Hiner.  Weak premise.  There are stats that talk about guns prevent exponentially more deaths and defensive uses than they are used for homicide and crime.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/03/20/any-study-of-gun-violence-should-include-how-guns-save-lives/#20cb56755edc


There are studies putting the amount to defensive uses of firearm up to 2.5 million a year.  You can find studies that put it at 100,000, but look at their criteria for "defensive uses". CDC put the amounts in a range from 60,000 to 120,000, but added that it could be up to 2.5 million since data on defensive use of a firearm is not a data point that is accumulated by police departments and a lot of times goes unreported to police. 

The amount of guns in the US has gone up and the amount of violent crime has continued to go down. 

Homicide if a gun is in a home goes up by 1.41 times?  You do realize that the rate of a homicide with a firearm in the US is .00448%.  So that brings it up to .00632%?  I call BS on that and the difference can probably be chalked up to nothing more than margin of error. 



"It is good to have an end to journey toward; but it is the journey that matters, in the end." Hemingway

hcrum87hc

January 14, 2019, 09:57:20 am #568 Last Edit: January 14, 2019, 09:59:18 am by hcrum87hc
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 13, 2019, 18:29:28 pm
Quote from: Al on January 13, 2019, 17:35:39 pm
Personally I don't think the run on guns and ammo had or has anything to do with race. Fact is, some of the most anti-gun legislators are white folks. Check out Hillary, Blumberg, McAuliffe, Feinstein, etc, etc and they are all for restricting guns for the masses but not for themselves or those they hire to protect them. Same folks are also claiming walls don't work except around their own property.  It is also instructive that most of the places with high crime or mass shootings are the ones with the the most restrictive gun laws.


To be fair, he didn't say more guns equals less crime, which is what your articles argue against.  Mass shootings do tend to happen in gun free zones: schools, churches (I know they're not all gun free), concerts/theaters, etc.  You can also look at places like Chicago and their shootings.  Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws, but as of July last year, over 1400 people had been shot. 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/g00/news/local/breaking/ct-met-weekend-shooting-violence-20180709-story.html?i10c.ua=1&i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3d&i10c.dv=2

Also, speaking as someone who bought more guns and related items during the Obama era, it had nothing to do with race and everything to do with the concern of future legislation.  I don't care what color someone's skin is when it comes to defending myself and my family. 
Jeremiah 17:7

Mudwall Gatewood 3.0

Quote from: Big J on January 14, 2019, 09:14:59 am
Quote from: Mudwall Gatewood 3.0 on January 13, 2019, 18:29:28 pm
Quote from: Al on January 13, 2019, 17:35:39 pm
Personally I don't think the run on guns and ammo had or has anything to do with race. Fact is, some of the most anti-gun legislators are white folks. Check out Hillary, Blumberg, McAuliffe, Feinstein, etc, etc and they are all for restricting guns for the masses but not for themselves or those they hire to protect them. Same folks are also claiming walls don't work except around their own property.  It is also instructive that most of the places with high crime or mass shootings are the ones with the the most restrictive gun laws.



BS Hiner.  Weak premise.  There are stats that talk about guns prevent exponentially more deaths and defensive uses than they are used for homicide and crime.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/03/20/any-study-of-gun-violence-should-include-how-guns-save-lives/#20cb56755edc


There are studies putting the amount to defensive uses of firearm up to 2.5 million a year.  You can find studies that put it at 100,000, but look at their criteria for "defensive uses". CDC put the amounts in a range from 60,000 to 120,000, but added that it could be up to 2.5 million since data on defensive use of a firearm is not a data point that is accumulated by police departments and a lot of times goes unreported to police. 

The amount of guns in the US has gone up and the amount of violent crime has continued to go down. 

Homicide if a gun is in a home goes up by 1.41 times?  You do realize that the rate of a homicide with a firearm in the US is .00448%.  So that brings it up to .00632%?  I call BS on that and the difference can probably be chalked up to nothing more than margin of error.
"Enjoy every sandwich." Warren Zevon

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