Pipeline

[troutfanatic]

Al, no experience with the gas pipelines but do have a guy I work with involved in solar.  In his neighbors case, the power company leases the land for 10 years, and at the end of that term they remove all equipment.  For the landowner, they get money off the lease, and in this case the landowner leased forested land to the company so they cleared everything on their dime.  Not sure if this is how they all are, but it's an interesting arrangement.  Works out well for the landowner in this case.


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Not sure that clear cutting large swaths of forested land is helping the problem.


Al don't be firing no extra hot reloads when you hunt that right of way...

There is a group that has done the research. And they believe that if the government would back it, we could be 90% relying on renewable energy in 50 years. But since the oil and gas companies are paying for the politicians campaigns, it's unlikely it will happen.

Imagine the jobs it would create to build that infrastructure.

The solar thing really seems to be troubling. I think you can really circumvent a lot of the political BS if you incentivize clean fuel development, but put a mandate on developing the jobs in areas where they were lost due to the decline of coal and other hydrocarbons, like WV and KY. You get these people off of government subsidized life and you get them voting for the people that got them out of poverty. Had Obama pulled something like this off, I seriously doubt we'd be staring at dead rat head every time we turn on the TV.

The other source my discontent is these damn trade agreements. Both parties are guilty of supporting them. We develop an industry here in the US and in the name of profit, we send it to Asia a decade or two later.

[IFStultz]

I believe National Forest land should be flat out off limits to something like this. That's one of the prettiest areas of Virginia and I hate that this is on the table:


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[Mudwall Gatewood 3.0]

I believe National Forest land should be flat out off limits to something like this. That's one of the prettiest areas of Virginia and I hate that this is on the table:


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True, and why did they select this particular location to enter Virginia?  Is the route the most direct?  Is it the path of least resistance?  It certainly is not a path with the easiest transversal through terrain, but it is the path with the fewest pesky residents?  Area is sparsely populated, so is the mindset of the big 4, 'let's target an area where the human schooling effect, or safety and efficiency in numbers, is minimal'?   

"Damned if we do and damned if we don't."  I'm not so sure.  I know we're damned if we do, for certain.  No one, ever, is going to dig the fucking pipeline up and restore the area as it was.  Someone, well above my station, will have to prove to me that the project is even justified, and demonstrate we're 'damned if we don't'.  Trusting and believing power companies is much more dubious and much less conceivable than credulity towards the words and actions of our politicians. 

[Mudwall Gatewood 3.0]

I revisited the responses to this thread, and I don't mean to single out Al, but his response got me thinking. 

I am not such a recluse that I fail to realize we need energy, but do we need more fossil fuel power to sustain our lives and progress in some semblance of rationality?  Do we believe power companies, if they tell us they need to produce more?  When does it end?  Where is the threshold that informs us, as a society that we've built all we can build, we've procreated all we can, and we've expanded as much as we can expand?  Do we entertain isolated incidents, like Al's gas company swamp fix, and conclude all gas utilities will be wonderful stewards and tackle each and every environmental problem? 

I have no idea!  I know it is a sin, so it says somewhere in that 4th book called Numbers, to collect wood for the cook fire on the Sabbath, but I wonder if it is OK to have a Sunday shot of moonshine, or a couple of shots, and contemplate the future? 

It's just me and the beagle for another week, until my wife returns from northern MN, so I have too much time to think and less time to change my underwear.  If one of you would be so kind to remind me this time next week to clean up, I'd appreciate it.     

[natureboy]

If you've got a fast internet connection and many hours of free time you can see how the AC and MV Pipelines plan to cross our mountain terrain without fouling our streams with sediment...  Spoiler alert: based on what I can figure, they intend to suspend the laws of physics.

http://www.deq.virginia.gov/Programs/Water/StormwaterManagement/ErosionandSedimentControl/NaturalGasPipelineErosionandSedimentControlandPostConstructionStormwaterManagement.aspx

[The Dude]

Stephen, as far as whether the pipeline is needed, I'm certain the company would not invest in the cost of building it if they didn't have a pretty solid guarantee that they would increase revenue in gas sales at the terminal end.
I have much much more to say overall on the debate of renewable energy, fossil fuel pipelines, politics, etc, but that is a campfire conversation, not a message board post.


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[Mudwall Gatewood 3.0]

Stephen, as far as whether the pipeline is needed, I'm certain the company would not invest in the cost of building it if they didn't have a pretty solid guarantee that they would increase revenue in gas sales at the terminal end.
I have much much more to say overall on the debate of renewable energy, fossil fuel pipelines, politics, etc, but that is a campfire conversation, not a message board post.


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I am sure they see a forthcoming profit, but again, is there an additional reasonable need, other that increasing Flats's et al dividend checks? 

Wonderful idea you have for a campfire conversation.  A BRFFF conclave where we howl at the moon, discuss everything from the environment to religion, meet eye to eye (or blurred bloodshot eye to eye), with no shrouding, etc. would be a hoot.  I know I need such cleansing.  In fact, I have about an hour's worth of face-to-face religion negotiation to discuss with Big J.  I'm sure I'd learn something.     

[rbphoto]

Stephen, as far as whether the pipeline is needed, I'm certain the company would not invest in the cost of building it if they didn't have a pretty solid guarantee that they would increase revenue in gas sales at the terminal end.
I have much much more to say overall on the debate of renewable energy, fossil fuel pipelines, politics, etc, but that is a campfire conversation, not a message board post.


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I am sure they see a forthcoming profit, but again, is there an additional reasonable need, other that increasing Flats's et al dividend checks? 

Wonderful idea you have for a campfire conversation.  A BRFFF conclave where we howl at the moon, discuss everything from the environment to religion, meet eye to eye (or blurred bloodshot eye to eye), with no shrouding, etc. would be a hoot.  I know I need such cleansing.  In fact, I have about an hour's worth of face-to-face religion negotiation to discuss with Big J.  I'm sure I'd learn something.     

Neither one of you would actually show up to said conclave . . .

[Big J]

Neither one of you would actually show up to said conclave . . .

This

I typed out a reply to The Dude's comment "what would it take to get The Dude to a campfire", but saw RB's reply.

Mudwall is the king of crayfish. Granted he has had a busy and unpredictable retirement schedule so far.

[The Dude]

There is a good reason that I've never been seen at social gatherings.  I can only take human form once every 300 years in order to impregnate a host and feed on kittens for the purposes of the continued perpetuation of my species.  Until such time I can only exist in the ethereal and in online porn marketplaces..................

[Grannyknot]

There is a good reason that I've never been seen at social gatherings.  I can only take human form once every 300 years in order to impregnate a host and feed on kittens for the purposes of the continued perpetuation of my species.  Until such time I can only exist in the ethereal and in online porn marketplaces..................

LOL

[Mudwall Gatewood 3.0]

Neither one of you would actually show up to said conclave . . .

You could be right, rbphoto.   Why in the name of reason would I need to employ the company and rendezvous of unfamiliar dipsticks when I am actually encircled by several acquainted wingnuts, right here in the Alleghany Highlands?  Nope, I know you are correct; there's no way I would waste my time.  What the hell was I thinking? Sorry Dude.   

[Yallerhammer]

There is a good reason that I've never been seen at social gatherings.  I can only take human form once every 300 years in order to impregnate a host and feed on kittens for the purposes of the continued perpetuation of my species.  Until such time I can only exist in the ethereal and in online porn marketplaces..................

 

[sanjuanwormhatch]

Buckle up.

The U.S. Senate confirmed Neil Chatterjee, a Senate aide to majority leader Mitch McConnell, and Robert Powelson, a Pennsylvania utility executive, for the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) before adjourning for August recess last night. The confirmations restore the agency's quorum. This means FERC can now move forward with reviewing plans for several pipelines under consideration, including the Atlantic Coast Pipeline.

"We urge FERC to take the appropriate and careful measures necessary to protect the public interest when considering projects like the Atlantic Coast Pipeline. This administration's lack of organization has caused a backlog of projects waiting for FERC review, but the American people should not have to pay for this mismanagement with hastily approved pipelines," said Senior Attorney Greg Buppert. "FERC now has a quorum and, if it wants to move forward on considering the Atlantic Coast Pipeline, it should first grant our request for a hearing on whether that pipeline is even needed in our region."

The Atlantic Coast Pipeline currently being considered by FERC is set to cut across Virginia, West Virginia, and North Carolina, including sections of the George Washington, and Monongahela national forests. Despite new research showing there's no demand for the project, Dominion Energy, Duke Energy, and their partners are rushing forward, even as local communities reject the plan. If built, the project would cause deforestation, water problems, and ultimately leave customers on the hook for the cost of its estimated $5 billion construction. Unless the questions concerning need are addressed, FERC risks approval of an unnecessary project that will cause irreparable damage to our natural environment and put undue burdens on ratepayers and landowners in Virginia and North Carolina.

SELC recently filed a motion calling for a hearing to assess whether there is even a need for the pipeline. This hearing has yet to be granted by FERC.

[Mudwall Gatewood 3.0]

Buckle up.

The U.S. Senate confirmed Neil Chatterjee, a Senate aide to majority leader Mitch McConnell, and Robert Powelson, a Pennsylvania utility executive, for the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) before adjourning for August recess last night. The confirmations restore the agency's quorum. This means FERC can now move forward with reviewing plans for several pipelines under consideration, including the Atlantic Coast Pipeline.

"We urge FERC to take the appropriate and careful measures necessary to protect the public interest when considering projects like the Atlantic Coast Pipeline. This administration's lack of organization has caused a backlog of projects waiting for FERC review, but the American people should not have to pay for this mismanagement with hastily approved pipelines," said Senior Attorney Greg Buppert. "FERC now has a quorum and, if it wants to move forward on considering the Atlantic Coast Pipeline, it should first grant our request for a hearing on whether that pipeline is even needed in our region."

The Atlantic Coast Pipeline currently being considered by FERC is set to cut across Virginia, West Virginia, and North Carolina, including sections of the George Washington, and Monongahela national forests. Despite new research showing there's no demand for the project, Dominion Energy, Duke Energy, and their partners are rushing forward, even as local communities reject the plan. If built, the project would cause deforestation, water problems, and ultimately leave customers on the hook for the cost of its estimated $5 billion construction. Unless the questions concerning need are addressed, FERC risks approval of an unnecessary project that will cause irreparable damage to our natural environment and put undue burdens on ratepayers and landowners in Virginia and North Carolina.

SELC recently filed a motion calling for a hearing to assess whether there is even a need for the pipeline. This hearing has yet to be granted by FERC.

"Despite new research showing there's no demand for the project,......." 

What new research?  If this is true, and you all know what a skeptic I am, this will surely piss me off!!!

"I tell ya, I'm bout as crazy as a dog in a hubcap factory."