Jail time for the truth?

[bullship]

Long as Snag and his wife and kid drink from a 1000 foot well that pumps a 1/4 gallon a minute  you can expect lots of emotion when it comes to this topic.

Wow. That sucks. You didn't have to pay for that, did you? God,that would be a disappointing 20 grand

[Michael Toris]

links being posted by random puppet of random academic douche with no life experience to educate you.

O'rly!?!



It's pretty simple in the end. The energy/resource companies are gonna fuck ya if they can.

[Michael Toris]

Btw, we have gotten way off track.

Simple question, should one be jailed for telling the truth?

[Michael Toris]

[snagaluffaguss]

Long as Snag and his wife and kid drink from a 1000 foot well that pumps a 1/4 gallon a minute  you can expect lots of emotion when it comes to this topic.

Wow. That sucks. You didn't have to pay for that, did you? God,that would be a disappointing 20 grand

Came with the foreclosed home and property.

It's got 600 feet of clean water in it. Takes a long time to run out.  Never seen it dry but I don't have a lawn (even on 2 acres) or a swimming pool.

[rbphoto]

Time to start supporting projects like this:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solar-roadways

[Michael Toris]

Anything that is taken from the ground fucks up something somehow. I just fucking hate being told to eat shit and like it by those who we suppose to trust.


I've seen the government (both sides) fuck us in the little time I have spent on this earth. The worst part about it is the politicians are just the faces; it's the large organizations which are pulling the strings.

[snagaluffaguss]

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt1558250/

[snagaluffaguss]

I'll not argue your point about who made it. Though I think you are wrong.

I will say that those who are featured in it are REAL people with real problems.

[outdoorguy3]

That's right, vomit back what you heard on Hannity yesterday.  Gross.

Um, I happen to have a friend that is currently, and has been working in North Dakota, the past 4 years.  I have no idea what Mr. Hannity said yesterday.......too busy trying to pay the bills to listen to the radio.

[outdoorguy3]

Just wondering, are all the folks in North Dakota and all the folks that have moved there to find work.....and have found good paying jobs, being exploited?

Also wonder if anyone has actually talked to any one from the industry that actually does this type of mining  to get the "real" facts.

Ralph

I'm guessing you don't realize this whole thread is about asking them for the real facts?


If that's the case, then why all the bashing if the real facts are unknown?

Ralph

[Michael Toris]

The facts are not unknown Ralph. They are politicized. Thus, clouded by "biasness".

Real fact: it takes a shit ton of water to extract natural gas via fracturing. Water is what brings us all to this board. It is something we cannot make more of, nor can we find an alternative to. We fuck it up, it's gone. All of that water has to come from somewhere.

Energy, however, is something we can find alternatives. In fact, they are available to us, but some exist which do not want us to have these alternatives. These men and women are those with money invested in natural gas rather than investing efforts to protect the environment first and foremost.

Take a look at coal mining. You extract a resource from the ground and expose the "overburden". This material is then placed into hollows which streams originate from. The material is then exposed to water and oxidizes, creating a host of problems.

Oil extraction: BP gulf spill. The gulf is not back and will not be in our lifetime nor the lifetime of our grand kids. USFW biologist said it was the biggest cover up he has ever witnessed.

These are all fossil fuels which were deposited [bigj muffs on] millions [/bigj muffs off] of years ago. Same as natural gas. Why would one expect its extraction to be exempt? 

I am concerned about hydraulic fracturing;  however, I am much more concerned about what happens when it goes wrong.

The environment is not renewable. Energy is. Pretty simple in the end. It is those who "represent" us who make this issue cloudy.

I do not care about cheap energy. I care about a clean, natural environment which has the least amount of our nasty ass stank on it as possible.

[Onslow]

Fracking is a real problem for you and me. For the political elites it is a problem as to which side controls wealth accumulation. I know I sound like a socialist. I am not. I believe in free markets. I believe you have a right to get get rich. I don't believe anyone, any corporation has the right to fuck the rest of us in the process.

We are reliving the 1880-1900 era.  Sadly there is no Teddy.

[Al]

Fracking is a real problem for you and me. For the political elites it is a problem as to which side controls wealth accumulation. I know I sound like a socialist. I am not. I believe in free markets. I believe you have a right to get get rich. I don't believe anyone, any corporation has the right to fuck the rest of us in the process.

We are reliving the 1880-1900 era.  Sadly there is no Teddy.

If you want to relive the 1880-1900 era try going without energy, ie electricity. Sure there are alternatives but not in the quantity we require. We certainly need to develop solar and wind but they are novelties at this stage.  If you want to see what our future could be without electricity Google  "World Made by Hand" a book by James Howard Kunstler

[Onslow]

What I meant was big business was corrupt and reigned supreme while the common man ate shit.  Fracking and the proprietary fracking fluids matter are two different issues.  This jailing issue is all about big biz sticking it up the little man's ass, and oppression.  The extraction of natural gas falls under the larger energy debate.

The sun is the supreme energy producer.  If humans do not have enough sense to utilize it, then I suppose we will face consequences of being stupid and lazy.  I'm too cheap and lazy to install solar panels on my house.  I suck.