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Citigroup and Wells Fargo Said to Be Bidding for Wachovia
« on: September 28, 2008, 20:47:32 PM »
Citigroup and Wells Fargo were locked in a bidding war on Sunday over a possible emergency takeover of the Wachovia Corporation, people involved in the talks said.

The intense negotiations come as concern grew about Wachovia’s stability on Friday, these people said, despite a breakthrough reached Sunday by Congressional negotiators on a $700 billion bailout for the financial system.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/business/29bank.html?ex=1380340800&en=b8e4491a263af0d3&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

Beetle mentioned this buyout to me on the way back from the SoHo.

It would be a shame to loose the local Moravian name of Wachovia and the banks ties to Winston-Salem.

Origin of the Name

In 1753, Moravian settlers bought about 100,000 acres in the North Carolina Piedmont. They called the land "Wachau" in appreciation of their benefactor, Count Nicholas Ludwig von Zinzendorf.

"Wachovia" (pronounced wa-KO-vee-yah) comes from "Wachau," the name given by Moravian settlers in 1753 to the tract of about 100,000 acres that they purchased in the North Carolina Piedmont.

Wachau, from the German words "die Wach au" - "Wach" was the name of a stream and "au" means "meadowland" - was a part of Austria, the ancestral home of the Moravians' benefactor, Count Zinzendorf, and, likewise, an area of abundant streams and pastures along a river (the Danube).

The settlers named the Carolina tract bought just east of the Yadkin River Wachau as an expression of appreciation to Zinzendorf. Later, the English form Wachovia was used.

Over the years, the name Wachovia ceased to be used as a designation for the area but remained a popular name for businesses that originated in the Moravian village of Salem and the adjoining town of Winston, which merged in 1913 to form Winston-Salem.
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Re: Citigroup and Wells Fargo Said to Be Bidding for Wachovia
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2008, 21:26:17 PM »
We were living in W-S when First Union bought Wachovia and it was really tough on the city when they lost that major employer, etc.  Charlotte losing Wachovia would be an even bigger issue.  Perhaps if it were either WF or C, they would keep much there because of distance (WF) or cost of doing business (C), but the big jobs usually wind up in the headquarters city.

Not a good thing for Charlotte, I fear.

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Re: Citigroup and Wells Fargo Said to Be Bidding for Wachovia
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2008, 09:18:02 AM »
Looks like Citi is the winner.  However, the Wachovia name may still be around a little while longer.  They are only buying the bank and not the brokerage (old a. g. edwards) or portfolio management businesses (evergreen).   
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Re: Citigroup and Wells Fargo Said to Be Bidding for Wachovia
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2008, 09:18:45 AM »
If I were the cruel hateful type I would call all my "friends" at Wachovia and ask them how they feel this morning. After doing business with them for 10+ years and a million dollar + line of credit last year I was no longer worthy. No missed payments, no overdue payments, no outstanding loans at the time. Just all of a sudden one day no more construction loans. In hindsight, they did me a favor.

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Re: Citigroup and Wells Fargo Said to Be Bidding for Wachovia
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2008, 10:31:50 AM »
Good by Wachovia.  Sad day.  Charlotte is in trouble and it will hurt Winston as well.
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Re: Citigroup and Wells Fargo Said to Be Bidding for Wachovia
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2008, 12:57:48 PM »
Hard to understand how there was no more long-range /short range vision.  Another victim of unfettered capitalism (free market style). This will be a huge loss for the region, and our daughter. 

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Re: Citigroup and Wells Fargo Said to Be Bidding for Wachovia
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2008, 13:03:50 PM »
Hard to understand how there was no more long-range /short range vision.  Another victim of unfettered capitalism (free market style). This will be a huge loss for the region, and our daughter. 
Good by Wachovia.  Sad day.  Charlotte is in trouble and it will hurt Winston as well.


After some deep thought, which is rare for me, I've changed my mind :P I feel sorry for the people caught up in this mess and the economic impact it will have on them and their families.
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Re: Citigroup and Wells Fargo Said to Be Bidding for Wachovia
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2008, 13:45:51 PM »
If I were the cruel hateful type I would call all my "friends" at Wachovia and ask them how they feel this morning. After doing business with them for 10+ years and a million dollar + line of credit last year I was no longer worthy. No missed payments, no overdue payments, no outstanding loans at the time. Just all of a sudden one day no more construction loans.


This is exactly what happen when there is a credit squeeze. No one will lend money because they fear that they will not be able to get future funds. So the economy slows grinds to a halt. You can see why they stopped lending to you in the bolded portion of the news article below.

It seems they died the death of a fish that swallows too big a prey. In this case they swallowd two prey. Here's the major reason Wachovia failed.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/wachovia_corporation/index.html?inline=nyt-org

Stupid is as stupid does.

"The Wachovia Corporation became one of the country's largest financial institutions through a series of aggressive acquisitions. But it became mired in losses related to bad mortgage loans, including many brought it in by Golden West Financial, one of the biggest of Wachovia's acquisitions. On Sept. 29, 2008, the F.D.I.C. announced that it had brokered a deal under which Citigroup purchased Wachovia with help from the government.

Wachovia bought Golden West Financial, one of the last major independent banks on the West Coast, in 2006 in a $26 billion deal. In May 2007, it swallowed up A. G. Edwards in a $6.8 billion deal that made Wachovia Securities the country’s second-largest retail broker after Merrill Lynch.

The purchase of Golden West, which had specialized in so-called pay-option mortgages, proved disastrous. As the housing market soured, it brought Wachovia mounting losses on loans made to home builders and commercial real estate developers. The purchase for A. G. Edwards, also turned out to be problematic. In June, Wachovia’s board ousted G. Kennedy Thompson, the bank’s longtime chief executive.

The month before the A.G. Edwards deal, an article in The New York Times detailed how Wachovia had provided bank services to fraudulent telemarketers who bilked the elderly of hundreds of millions of dollars. When the company was accused in a lawsuit of allowing such firms to use the bank’s accounts to steal the money, bank executives said they had been unaware of the thefts.

But documents from that lawsuit released in February 2008 showed that Wachovia had long known about allegations of fraud and that the bank, in fact, solicited business from companies it knew had been accused of telemarketing crimes.

Internal Wachovia e-mail, for example, showed that high-ranking employees at the nation’s fourth-largest bank frequently warned colleagues about telemarketing frauds routed through its accounts.The documents also showed that Wachovia was alerted by other banks and federal agencies about ongoing deceptions, but that it continued to provide banking services to multiple companies that helped steal as much as $400 million from unsuspecting victims."

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Re: Citigroup and Wells Fargo Said to Be Bidding for Wachovia
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2008, 14:25:23 PM »
I'll bet John Medlin's head is spinning right now.  This crap never would have happened under his watch.  Perfect lesson in how to take one of the world's best run banks and totally screw it up.
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2008, 15:01:12 PM »
Friend of mine who works for GE finacing told me today that he was told not to lend anyone any money until the first of the year. They lend to the commercial guys.

Gonna be a hard winter boys.
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Re: Citigroup and Wells Fargo Said to Be Bidding for Wachovia
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2008, 15:06:50 PM »
Yikes!  Down 560 at 3:00 pm...and it ain't even October yet. :o
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Re: Citigroup and Wells Fargo Said to Be Bidding for Wachovia
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2008, 16:39:16 PM »
Yikes!  Down 560 at 3:00 pm...and it ain't even October yet. :o


and that was a good hour! close down 777.68

i wish i was still living here

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Re: Citigroup and Wells Fargo Said to Be Bidding for Wachovia
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2008, 18:14:53 PM »
I'm tempted to cash it all in and move some place like that. Live in a shack on the beach and eat fish and coconuts 8)

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Re: Citigroup and Wells Fargo Said to Be Bidding for Wachovia
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2008, 18:26:28 PM »
Down 777.68 is not that bad. In perspective is doesn't even make the top ten loses of all time.
In percentage points it only about 8%.

I still say let the process work, and those failing businesses will drop out, and those businesses with better management will fill the void.

These are the pains of a free economy, and this too shall pass.
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2008, 19:35:50 PM »
Earlier I said GMAC. Bad on my part. Its GE commercial finacing. Sorry.

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